[000:00:00;00] in the final plan, and here , by the way, is precisely the question of competition in the role of a mediator in peace negotiations. this is the competition with china, where russia has a handicap and has a certain advantage. it has a unique status . it is so ideally almost neutral. he has good relations with putin and zelenskyi. and turkey has strategic interests in relation to russia and in relation to ukraine, and unlike china, they do not appear to be biased as to whether they will play on the side of russia or on the side of ukraine, but china, well, everyone understands china a lot closer to russia and the problem here is that china cannot be such a neutral mediator, so that is precisely the topic of negotiations with

ukraine and russia . one of the dimensions of your global leadership, but you once said that he might even be able to reformat the united nations organization. the peacekeeping mission will be successful, this will be a strong argument, the more the un works together with children, this is also an important moment, and at the same time, on the one hand, there are global e-e values ​​and the desire to conquer the world, and on the other hand, something needs to be done with the economy, because the world market reacted to it very ambiguous after announcing him as the winner, the lira fell by 3% and now it will be even more difficult to solve the situation, and understanding that one way or another

the turkish economy is still integrated into the european world and to some extent to european legislation, because a lot of work was done before this candidacy actually froze , and this is where the question of where to get funds and infusion into the turkish economy in order to restore its power arises. now it is much more lenient towards both the european union and probably the united states, because the resource needs to be attracted from somewhere, it is necessary to restore it , it is necessary to realize these loud wishes and aspirations, huge funds are needed resources will have to be negotiated, and by the way, in this context, er, today, by the way, president biden said that he promised , in my opinion, even to the graduates of one of the american universities that sweden will join nato in the near future. i promise you this. i think that the situation in which now turkey has stopped and is pushing the president of the united states to such

exhibitions. i think that there was a promise already certain maybe informal yes some kind of origin but here is what one more important argument of the order drew attention to it can be ideal a mediator not only in the matter of the war between ukraine and russia, but also in the relations between the two coalitions that consist of the western coalition and the eastern coalition, authoritarian regimes, russia, china, and iran, and here turkey is right in the middle of the middle, and they can also be a mediator of relations in certain conflict situations , i think that it is precisely these situations that erdogan will try to use in order to raise his personal status and the status of turkey, and to the extent that the mediator will still be free in movements as far as he is presiding between huge blocks like this will, as always, stake their interest to he will have such an opportunity without a guest good vopros and why did the whole mansion in ukraine watch the elections so much in turkey let's see vopros

at the same time the presidential elections we didn't even notice it will give why why this is not the heat, and why is it that we are looking at turkey, either an ally or, god forbid, the gate is right? we are afraid, we are not worried, and we are interested . he wants already after 100 of the ottoman empire he wants to increase it precisely academically now what let's put someone good evening to those who have just joined us mahamed in front of the veins volodymyr fesenko and maksym dzhigun we are talking about washing the bones of eradigan one word so we sit and talk like eh after tomorrow's event the inauguration will change not only the east , but also the geopolitical map, because now erdogan seems to be able to afford everything, he is entering again as an active geopolitical player, what

will this mean for us, this is the question and that's why common interests are now we interrupted just when you speak and why did we watch turkey because its elections hello leader that we should know him oh and that's the question , but we were talking different processes were happening in the world, even we didn't notice how in greece turkey is now erdoğan he won, now he should really keep continuing his programs. he needs the economy. we must change our way of looking at the world and on our friends and allies. don't stop being afraid once he loves or falls out of love. we must to make it clear that without us you are the victims, that i have already led turkey . now this year , erdogan announced that he would extract gas in different formations in such places.

he could do his gas, he needs peace, this is the time, that is, it is very difficult, so that we must understand the second thing, that he has an economy, it is necessary for the apartment to work, for trade to work, first of all, from ukraine, without us, there will not be a third moment to finish the torment they gave their legal gas to us. until now, the demarcation and morti and the border between turkey, russia and ukraine are there and there is a problem because the occupied territory of ukraine, crimea, we do not recognize that now, in fact, where is the demarcation between russia and turkey , and of course turkey does not want to violate it there will be no law without us, that is, crimea must be seen. they will return to the law and at least somehow defect in ukraine so that we allow them to get this gas . this should be well understood by me, who is very interested in the ukrainian territory, in fact black the sea has already become almost like a nato lake if we take all the forces of bulgaria, romania, and turkey

, they are much larger than russia, and now we must again change the number of warships in the black sea. nato and turkey are one to five and russia is one to five in favor of nato and now what putin did , you need to understand it perfectly. putin formed the opinion that he was inadequate all the time, he shouted, “here is nuclear power, that’s when it is loaded.” and that he wanted such an image. like a driver who has already pulled the steering wheel and he was showing everyone i'm already driving without brakes you must give way to me without a steering wheel that we have no chance to give way or escape from love from

love his conversations that can disrupt our interests then we will be interested in the whole world in us since we became interested in the turkish elections . and if your honor brussels will think that we are without a rudder, that i am going. first of all, what exactly did he offer macaroni? well, crimea will join him now. zelenskiy, and where did marseille come from? when he arrived , he saw the butch. the first russian military carat will pass , there will be moscow-2, we have drones, we will show that it is also adequate for me when we sink the second ship , turkey will run away from putin, what happened

to these ukrainians, how not the ones we know are necessary already leave because that's how bad this question is, we have to understand, we also took off the wheel, we won't stop, we'll give up today, not a single square centimeter of the sea border or land border . do you have a ukrainian passport? i always understand why they are putting pressure on us in quotes , in everything, it’s a etimir plan, and tom or turkey, well, in turkey, there was the same kind of fight there , more or less suitable for me, because he sees in us a weak, adequate, intelligent ana hishchnyki a no, no, let's sit down, i just want to see all the countries, for example, when india received a nuclear arsenal in pakistan - they asked either food or a nuclear arsenal. gdp per capita in pakistan is $1,500. well, the population of ukrainians in

ukraine is $4,800. we are much richer, we must understand. today we actually have barba ukraine. to be or not to be putin when he already came up with a strategy to see the terozerov capital. he already understood that we cannot lose to him and thus can change this strategy . when we are inadequate now we have the executed right will return its dirt arsenal, though tactical and not in everything and we have the right in this world without camarandum , the fact is violated by one of its participants. in russia, it is correct, in russia he violated it, we must show that we have no elections, we are second pakistan , which threatened sanctions it is worthy of the ukrainian, and when he became de facto, he started working with him. we have legal rights to restore them, and then the whole world will watch us, not a war

. for two, and he was not depending on 50 nuclear states and the whole world was shaking and they will be offered sovrem drugie pradzloče vesem dyhom plans pochemu let's just get to the word one replica about er-e such a thing well no i don't like the term adequate yes i suggest the word obstinate i also thought the word pp is much better, stubborn like that yes, yes, radical , in fact, this is conditional, when kessenger proposed this idea that yes, we still need to accept nato to ukraine, accept nato, he was based on this fact that nato has to be an instrument of deterrence for russia at the same time, well often ukraine is in nato and russia so that russia does not go to war against us again and at the same time so that ukraine is under control there is also an understanding that now, well, at least about zelenskiy now yes that ukraine is an offensive diplomacy and that we

we can not wait for someone to tell us something. and we can do what we think is necessary for our interests and we can demand many things from them, and i agree that when there is already a discussion about security guarantees for ukraine in principle, we can ask questions in closed mode so as not to scare our friends too much. yes, either we get nato membership, yes, or we will have no other way out in the future in order to restrain russia from developing its own nuclear program. yes, this is an alternative to they understood, yes, how it can move, there may be some other variations of retention now, tactical, nuclear , at least the russian audience why do they not have the upper lexical word to lose because they don’t think even if the russian army is dead, we are always in them they don’t know again, it’s a disease of imagination, they think even if the russian army is dead, we can’t always laugh when they understand that

there are no ukrainians, too, they will wash it, they will think in a different way, a dead hand. in our confirmation of this thesis, we saw that after systematic flights around kyiv and other cities for several days and when the drones flew to moscow, that's when the position of the citizens of russia changed very actively. i think we were looking for a very long time for an approach to how to actually convince the russians that there is no place for them here, and i remember how in in the first months of the war, we all sent messages to our acquaintances in russia, launched advertising companies, appealed to liberals, the result was zero, after it flew over belgorod , when it flew over moscow, they all understood what to do and finish this special military operation . on the side of russia, not even on the side of the west , because now, as far as i'm concerned , talks about getting at least from the united states, germany, france, britain

that they are ready to be guarantors of security for ukraine. i absolutely support these ideas, it must be done, but it is very important that these guarantees are some guarantees of individual states . and now the united states has declared its readiness, so britain, for its part , germany, france, what are they based on? it's not easy. but the fact is that now we have sanctions against the aggressor country, yes, and systems, long-term provision of military macro-financial assistance, and actually, we understand that until at least the end of the war, we are definitely members we will not be too much and we definitely need security guarantees, i would actually call them not security guarantees deterrence guarantees , because security is when we are not attacked , when we are attacked, everything is simply an attempt to contain russia, and it is very important that these security guarantees did not become a substitute for ukraine's accession to nato, and in fact, our entire july issue is where ukraine is invited to nato, and there are now total discussions around this. the key thesis should be that if we sign security guarantees, it should be clearly

stated that they are before ukraine's accession to nato and actually understand that ukraine will definitely not watch how we will be shelled even under these security guarantees, but in fact there could also be a question of nuclear weapons and here we need to negotiate a move to understand whether they are ready for the fact that among european countries there will be another one country with nuclear potential is there still an easier option and let's say it is more systematic and it is to take ukraine as a member of nato and close this issue not only for russia but also for the countries of the alliance, even more so they said i'm very sorry yes, yes, it seems to me that putin once again threw this argument to everyone when he transferred tactical nuclear weapons to belarus, please copy it to the mirror and there are no problems now in a mirror-hybrid war, the fact is that they are against us in the 14th year. this is the same argument, yes, putin, in fact spreads nuclear weapons on the territory of other countries. yes, and we can demand. by the way, this is also about

the east, since south korea did so. south korea, yes, the visit of their president to the united states, and they say yes or yes. by korea about korea south korea the republic of korea will be forced to make its own nuclear weapons yes in the northern regions and why can't they have one i would just like to end here for some reason putin is talking about spreading nuclear weapons to belarus for him these are not red lines with on the western side, why should putin’s red lines become some kind of safeguard for us ? it seems that this is one of the main points of the rules of the game, they don’t have any, and lukashenko’s last statement clearly called for big states, dear country alliance russia belarus and you and i are watching the nuclear one because it represents all of us. if

you are in the world, the president of the country trades precisely in the element of those that sterilize the whole world . therefore, we must say goodbye to the past world and past illusions and today set up the real thing. honestly, nato appeared more than 70 years ago with one goal, precisely for now, its own country, its own members. and at first, the soviet threat was the russian tomato, and in 70 years, no one fought against this threat, except for one country, ukraine, too. today, i am not the only one who challenged or refused to give in to the main storm of the west. it is strange only the armed forces and this one. we must understand very well how they are interested in us, including the need to close the sky. i hinted about it earlier that we need to stop shooting down drones here. and when they transmit in bulk, it is necessary that these ships do not sail, they need to pay attention to it. it

is necessary to understand. what exactly are the warehouses ? they are already changing all the rules. when he will understand that we are really stubborn, we will say that we are stubborn so that they don't think that we are stubborn and we are definitely hosylnye than filyandiya everything in the first and second winter of the war we will not give in when he was asked by the senate about the continuation. and if we did not help the ukrainians with weapons , they would have lost, but no, they would have continued to resist, but with pitchforks and simple ones. will be destroyed and putin is actually afraid of this, he did not know that we woke up, he wanted under the guise of a special operation, he will join

us, he repeats the experience of molotov rependrov, we will fill his ranks and attack europe, and today the notes of the daughter’s expert say, you can introduce it for a second if you give god putin won so that with europe , therefore, for them, we are precisely the impersonal element , the most important weight of security, therefore , we can, i sanctify my words, brazenly speak to the closed sky about the nuclear arsenal, whatever you want, so that it is the whole world why the whole world of the cold war was what was the stress because the two countries had two nuclear weapons and tried to do it somehow and now they look at the aggressor and the victim and why do you always sacrifice and plus moments all these peace plans are developed i don’t want no one will be returned by this stranger who, long ago, in quotation marks, advisors, er, the center of analysis of these countries is fodder for russia , therefore, form for me, not for them , the security that russia fed, let's go back

, because i do not understand when maxim says that these are dangers and deterrence, and ok, i agree, and it’s obvious that they are from what we hear there, but there are rumors from various sources , it looks like that, but if uh, after signing some document in vilnius , which will be called security guarantees, not at the initiation years of rockets to kyiv to vinnytsia to khmelnytskyi to lviv oblast there to ivano-frankivsk and to chernihiv oblast history and how will these security guarantees be fulfilled, well, there are absolutely no security guarantees and we will be told about this at all levels and in principle, history unfortunately testifies to everything it er, even membership in nato is in principle well, it supposedly guarantees that there will be no attack , but suddenly yes, nicole no, this is wrong yes , yes, yes, nevertheless, i think that we should

demand specifics and, uh, when they will sign something in fact, it should not be about intentions, not a framework agreement, but a sufficiently specific document, and if it will be, well, at the bilateral level, separate agreements . yes, i think that this is also not bad. to be clear a program that will be prescribed there at least five years in advance with a prolongation of the specific volumes of weapons supply e-e formation of the development of our military-industrial potential where it was written that we produce our own not only there tank weapons but missile weapons e-e pppa and so next, yes, this should be a specific program. i think that

nato is not yet ready for this, but it is, well, let's say that the goal to which we should move is at the level of 5 articles, we will not be given guarantees now , because the installation is directly from russia ago na unfortunately, this will not happen, but there are substitutes, they must be used by all ato countries, it is necessary to sign if and sign such guarantees of security or deterrence, which definitely do not involve at least some physical participation of these countries in our conflict, or more precisely, in the war , you know me. model i just get goosebumps from fear, what exactly is this , what is the israeli model, the israeli model is for 10 years, and it is 38 billion dollars in aid, despite the fact that we have already used larger sums in a year even this prolongation of the conflict is simply for decades, and we should generally avoid this phenomenon from any public discourse in communication with our western colleagues . we

cannot prolong this war for decades. to exert diplomatic pressure , asking for the national interests and the united states, therefore, in our relations with our partners, it is known to ask for more than they can give in order to get less and it seems to me that the ministry of foreign affairs and president zelenskyi, in general, the military-political leadership, they are guided by this principle, that's why when we say that we want to start negotiations on joining the european union there already in june-july, september, this means that it probably won't happen so quickly but at the same time, we declare our intentions and we show what we aspire to, what we want, this is the nearest prospects, that is , even history is a lesson for us. neighbors are occupied

on the english peninsula . the new president is muhammed am varsadet, he wanted me from the model, he said, i ’m not about the soviets, i kicked out the soviet designers, i’m about the west, let’s help you get your territory back from us, such a peninsula, and from your ambassador to the un vystuap he's 72 years old, he's getting his style back. well, listen to the president, be honest, stay asleep, i'm saying our territory is cut off, and so on , and he didn't listen to us, i told him, i understood, we need to change the balance, we're now in a weak position, israel's strong position, they won't listen to us, i 'll change the balance, no one understood how in an hour in october 73, the egyptian army storms all the defense lines of israel, they enter through a high channel only 5 km and everything in the arab world is defended, go ahead, come on, he understood, where are

his borders, he wanted the american one diplomacy was horrified when the american came to the negotiations. here are the first negotiations so that israel fully recognizes my territories . let's talk . territory, how did he change the rules for me in the balance in order for the diplomat to be successful, it was necessary for her to be on the battlefield precisely because of changes in tactics that the whole world stopped looking at russia the eyes of the great, you need two things for success on the battlefield - this is us, i really don't know my business, but it is foreign. until now, ukraine has its own, let's say , soft-cook tools on different continents

of the world, and by the way, it does not have хочет иметир мы так вечедитное когда меня спражают i, i will say not like that for a second, we are returning to brazil again, ours and not diplomats go to africa games about diplomacy and not diplomats also contain so far we take roughly what i understand in the arab world in us a huge audience of ours influential friends who are involved in this, no one is a diplomat - these are diplomats , not molodtsy. they walk along a very narrow corridor. it is called the protocol of mice. is it true or not? but we have a huge , huge number of friends of ukraine, pretending to be different and worlds and kings, and those who are not engaged in the second will take care of you and i, what will the state help i will note the project that i sent to the office of the president of ukraine and to the ministry of foreign affairs and to the ministry of defense

. no one wants the second question in which you really need to know where the peace is formed, not plagiarism or proposals. until now, there are three contents of africa, asia, and you see south america. you are still perceived as russia as the ussr, this is not the ussr. this is necessary for the second level of work. it is much cheaper than buying a weapon. this is two, three, and an important point. we need to squeeze russia out of those offices. b-centers of analytics are currently being formed for specific presidents in different countries, which in fact, yes, they are. the house is recruited by russia and this, believe me, i believe that we can, when i was asked by the akmvitsa of ukraine, the state , we know the soviet time 8:30

p.m. maxim for a minute and a half, how do you see the deterrence guarantee that we can squeeze out of vilnius? well, i think that er, we have to er, first of all, squeeze out a clear er guarantee to us that after the end of the war, the procedure for ukraine's er accession to nato procedure which came to finland sweden now pp yes yes yes there should be an accelerated procedure secondly this yes i agree that we should not fixate on israeli security models but yes clear guarantees long-term guarantees of military-technical economic assistance yes this should also be recorded for us and it should be specifically written on a specific topic, the road map and the road map of our movement in nato and the road map of cooperation between nato and ukraine, well, conditionally speaking, it should be

the de facto membership of nato. is the key conclusion should be that, of course, we receive some security guarantees that are not a substitute for nato, it is very important that there are no questions about this later and from our partners who said you saw what i signed, we as a society would know because the level of expectation we have is quite high and the citizens are waiting for us to really become members of nato. the next moment seems to me to be key so that ukraine, as a state that is now actually becoming a serious subject of international politics, does not lose this window of opportunity that we have now in fact, to discover what it is, and it seems to me that in the current conditions we can get the most from what we could not even hope for before, and here is my feeling that

the result of this summit should definitely be positive, so that we know that after the war we have a concrete plan how we will join there and some exchange coins, there is a lot of talk now about the membership action plan and ukraine has already outgrown this membership action plan on the battlefield several times. look how the ukrainians demonstrate the effectiveness of using this of western weapons. it seems to me that many nato instructors cannot demonstrate this in greenhouse conditions when they are on training grounds. what the ukrainians are demonstrating is that there are some concerns about the quality of use . there are absolutely none. there is no effectiveness. well, ukraine has already repeatedly demonstrated that we are a partner, a partner, a real partner who is ready to take on the responsibility of complying with them, so it seems to me that we have all the possibilities, the main thing is to use them skillfully take advantage of and squeeze partners. thank you very much for tonight and for this conversation