[000:00:00;00] so that we know that after the war we have a specific plan of how we will join there, and not some kind of coin of the understanding , there is a lot of talk now about the membership action plan, and ukraine has already outgrown this membership action plan on the battlefield several times . look how the ukrainians demonstrate the effectiveness of the use of this western weaponry. it seems to me that many nato instructors cannot show this in greenhouse conditions when they are on the training grounds . what the ukrainians demonstrate is that there are some questions concerns about the quality of the application, there are absolutely none, there is no effectiveness. well, ukraine has already repeatedly demonstrated that we are a partner, a partner, a real partner who is ready to take responsibility for adhering to them, so it seems to me that we have all the opportunities, the main thing is to use them skillfully and pressurize our partners. thank you thank you very much for this evening and for this conversation with mahamed ferd-djalav volodymyr

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? when will we finally see what we hear about and what we wanted to see in the ukrainian and most importantly in the russian sky, we will talk about this , what we dream about and talk about this topic, we they invited maria berlinskyi, the founder and head of the air intelligence support center. ms. maria has been dealing with this topic there for about 10 years since the beginning of the war , and that is why i want to talk to you frankly. viewers and to begin with a video from belarus, we all remember how drones flew to moscow , the ani lorak foundation of this support even played

an important role in this and here in belarus after this kind of training began, and soldiers are taught to carry out drone attacks with blank cartridges. the shevchenko scare looks magical, that is, after what happened around moscow, lukashenka also understands that his participation in this war will not go unnoticed by our air fleet. i am starting to prepare my calculations as far as they will be effective, we'll see. i think that in the near future, but eh, if we're talking seriously , eh, this drone attack on moscow is the result of that work during the full-scale invasion when we were talking that we will now very, very quickly create our flotilla of drones that will be able to effectively fly for hundreds of kilometers. is this more of a pr campaign and what equipment is there?

these steps are needed because they make it possible, in addition to some concrete losses, to wage war in the informational and psychological field, they make it possible to shake up the situation from within russia and give us the opportunity to test certain systems, certain solutions, let’s say technologies that we are currently actively developing, are such attempts necessary, yes, the war should take place not only on the territory of ukraine, but the russians should understand that as prytula was joking, in my opinion, this game can be played together, and accordingly, this is a good sign that we are increasing more and more the ability to do such and such strikes, in fact, this is the future, and then he himself said that the ppu is theirs and the russians are there, the russian army has worked satisfactorily. that is, it is

a trio if we transfer there. after all, it showed this attack, and if it is really ukrainian drones, because the investigators say that there were chinese drones, it is wrong. if you have seen the international investigators, we have analyzed , we understand that they were drones. well, when i say we are there, it is a rather narrow expert environment uh, in ukraine, uh, we closely interact internally and, in principle , constantly exchange information, and let's say , we help each other, we understand what the next steps will be, and we understand that this should just continue. so uh, for this it is necessary to take a number of measures to scale this story and technically strengthen it. of course, every war is always countermeasures. russia will always look for certain countermeasures, starting with shooting it down. similarly, there are certain

anti -aircraft defense systems there. - missile complexes, yes, of course, there is an influence on this by means of the same radio-electronic warfare, but for every measure there is always a counter measure, and this is always such a competition of engineering minds. well, you very carefully said that er, narrow expert the environment is clear that it was, well, without disclosing the details, the export environment is satisfied with what it saw and it is clear that we are the first with such systematic attempts, yes , you know, it is too early to talk about let's just say the results we want to achieve in the final, but we already have a very good one, people want to wake up in the morning and here you see how hundreds of bombers fly in these advertising videos yevhen by the way, you noticed that some say well, do we have to resort to mirror measures, we understand that russia is bombing the civilian

population so that their fraudsters are there other drones rockets are flying at civilian houses, killing children, but should we resort to mirror considerations there, for example, our drones will also fly over civilian houses, and what should we do to bury our children and start a war only on our territory , the russians should already understand that this is a war and their yes what we are trying is this day the war will come to an end either they or us or their military power and ability to kill us or we will end victory is not the borders of 91 that is, not only the borders of 91 victory is eliminate russia's military capacity for aggression, and we veterans of the ato, volunteers, have been repeating this to our people non-stop since the 14th year, the 17th, the 18th, the 19th, and so on , talking about the fact that russia is a country that

will definitely return and the level of our losses will depend on how we prepare, whether we will cover it with drones or whether we will cover it with people or whether we will cover it with shells or again with people, and therefore the russians must understand that the ukrainians will go to the end, there will be ukrainians, this is a matter of the survival of our tribe, our ukrainian families if at some point somewhere in society the tendencies towards reconciliation will start again if you manage to hear it means this is the first person who will say it this is a traitor you know how in the godfather the first to come to you the heart has agreed under no circumstances can it be repeated because then we will end up with losses in the millions, the war will simply go into the phase of eviction and even greater escalation . that's all i completely agree with. and now i remember

my personal feelings on the morning when after that terrible attack on kyiv when you in the morning you see a video of pictures of how drones are flying around moscow and how they are hitting, well, this is such an open joy, well, finally feel what we feel, even a little, well, they repeat the same words as at the beginning of the great war , well, we did not understand and simply reacted, oh what how powerful is the explosion? and what to do? we have to run and it’s really scary , but it turns out that the war has come. you will feel just what you will feel with their words and not because we started this war because a politician, give it to him here it has nothing to do with us here it has nothing to do with it ето всё politics only kills people and

if we talk about the evolution of drones until february 24 and from february 24 to today we have come to the airwaves, well, we don’t even count how many people are involved in the development of drones and their operation, and everyone, uh, from the beginning of the full-scale invasion, talked about what we want to do, we want to collect them , we want to develop them, but there is a big the number of problems and difficulties on this path that prevent the rapid creation of those drones that we really need and those drones that have provided us with superiority in the air, but these are such isolated conversations with people that i would like you to somehow combine in our languages in a global explanation of what is happening in the drone production market during this time

, are there really certain problems or are they really artificial to a certain extent , is the state really sometimes not understanding and sometimes not wanting to do something and most of the projects we have again, it depends on the enthusiasm of the people, well, look, we are entering into such a substantive expert discussion, it is important to note a few, what is called, there were absolutely so basic such key points , so first of all, what is the situation as of now , the situation as of now consists in what happened a surge in production after the invasion is logical and normal, and i myself observed it in the 15th and 16th years when people want to protect themselves, understand that technological solutions

protect and start to work collectively mind, engineers are gathering some kind of volunteer cards, someone there is completing it, brought it there and it is starting to be patched. this work means uh, as of today, uh, the industry is getting a surge and it will develop if you do exactly two things, the same thing that had to be done in those years, first where to regulate, i.e. to remove all the obstacles created in the legislation. they are still unshaven. in a year and a half, well, look, let's use a simple example, uh, if you and i are here in three. also , operators, sound engineers want to produce drone, what do they need to do? well, first of all, we need to find this resource, let's say we threw in our own money. yes, in order to make some of the most simple planes there, there at the tactical level, just look at the front edge of the reconnaissance children, so we, at

the same time, uh let's do 1 2 3 but after that we run out of money we will need to issue a volunteer card or make sure that the state buys these systems from us or some kind of charity fund so the question of resources is the second question that arises as a manufacturer, this is the question of weighing all the components, this is the most important issue, because the manufacturers of drones came to us and they said that it is really difficult for us to produce because the customs office is crowded and we cannot start normally. to a greater extent consist of imported components , we are dependent on this, we do not have factories for the production of chips there, we do not have our own production of thermal imaging cameras, and so on. and so on, that is, certain specific key nodes that make up foreign systems, and this applies. by the way, not only drones that fly in the air, we are talking about

robotics, yes, land drones, water drones, anything, a robot. therefore, the components need to be taken abroad, these are different countries in order to lead the components to e-e literally in february of this year, that is, in fact , the whole year of the full-scale invasion and previous years, it was necessary to obtain the permission of the state export control service, let's count how many perepov means the first exchange control is a hurdle, in principle, that is, we have money in the account, but the national banks control so that we do not withdraw currency . for example, we need to buy a thermal imager for our plane, which means that to buy a thermal imager, we need to pass currency control a second time, we need to get permission from the state service of expert control, that is it was possible to get this permit for two or three months . i'm sorry until i raised this issue publicly in

december 22nd and said, "well, why did i raise it? i didn't go public for 4 months." i asked for a bow to them there, it didn’t work, i had to write an article on ukrainian pravda there, and then some processes began to shift. until this moment, the state service of expert control actually stole two or three months of time from ukrainian manufacturers , then we received it, which means we need to find this product part of this product is there , for example, in the same china, china is not very happy to sell us products because in fact we are competing with the russians on this market, it’s time again and this is big geopolitics, you understand, that is, they have their own certain geopolitical agreements plus certain enterprises there do not sell large units because they need, for example, certain letters of confirmation from the ministry of defense and it is difficult and long and so on, then

of course we need to go through customs there if these are certain dual-use goods - it is also there sks, i.e. a certificate of the final consumer, the company that must have an export license, and so on . finally, through smuggling or bribery , our camera came here after that, we will need to install it in the plane, then test it, and what's next, let's give it a few minutes, so we'll have a pause , you're telling us something interesting, and we're already thinking about interrupting it , but we 're forced to continue for a few minutes. russian as jack the son-in-law of the door, catch a few simple and effective ones, it's time to write in ukrainian , search for information on the internet, write

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it is also a weapon, but a weapon that is sent to save the lives of our heroes, we all do it for some kopiyka, we do it our business nexia glory to ukraine glory to the heroes from monday to saturday 23:15 in marathon, the only news 1+1 returns to the air, the national telethon night watch with guest maria berlinska, we talk about drones, their evolution and an incredibly interesting conversation, that is, in fact , a person who wants to assemble and produce at least one drone, yes, one drone, a sample that will either be successful or

unsuccessful. permission to buy currency, import components, their physical import, and then she assembles the drone, well, she assembles the drone and you need to test the syndron . that is, you need to find a way to test it under the means of radio-electronic warfare, and get a certificate from a certain trainer if we are talking about the procedure for admission to operation this is already a simplified procedure , but earlier, so that you understand, the manufacturer spent years in order to become armed, and because of this, the following situation occurred in us when this surge took place there conditionally 14-15 years after that everything went into decline because the manufacturers who found strength in themselves not thanks to but in spite of going through all these bureaucratic circles of hell, they were actually units and at some point they said to us that if the state does not need it, then what will happen to this wall ? yes, exactly and as a result, the industry remained there virtually at will. no one needs , well, literally there, units mean er

enthusiasts who went and tried for years to pay well, i personally, for example, went there to dozens of members of the verkhovna rada from the defense committee to all the ministers of defense to the top military and political leadership, then i honestly tried to update this issue and propose what needs to be done, that is, on the one hand , we are returning to remove all the regulatory and such terrorist policies, because we are here let's not forget that there are still taxes here, we still have a bunch of other checks, but on the other hand, a little support what i mean , well, look, uh, the thought was like this at the time, let's take 50 manufacturers of different garages, well this is the 15th year of which there were even more than 50 and each lady there $20,000.

that's 1 million dollars, but on the scale of the state - it's pennies on the scale of one of us and you yes, we need to get an apartment there, i don't know, remember the investment , we'll be able to what does 1 million dollars mean, it's an opportunity to save tens and not even tens of hundreds of billions, i'll explain why because one russian tank is worth 2-3 million dollars even if only a few of the 50 manufacturers fly and make only one successful look yes or two successful controls it has already paid for itself not to mention the fact that we will give this investment to the industry on volunteer cards, this will not last long so it is the same as then, the same and now, if a lot of money is not actively poured into the industry itself, sooner or later everything will go away on the decline, but despite this, the industry is developing, we see a lot of drones

that flew to moscow, it seems possible that the state is now pouring money, the state is now, and it was publicly communicated, pouring in about uah 20 billion the 18th year it is good as of the beginning of the 22nd year and it is critically insufficient as of june 23rd it is good it is much better than it was but it is developing yes i understand but russia is not standing still there are also public figures of how much they have planned in the budgets for there next year, this year, in the development of the industry in december 22nd, this is publicly available, you can google it, putin said that this next year he will prioritize the development of unmanned systems, you can even put this insert in our program that people just

saw it, that is they understand that this is war drones, they understand that this is the first in the history of mankind, how large-scale the war of robotic systems is, and that is why they allocate an order of magnitude more funding to it. well, plus , in the conclusion of the interview, they told such an interesting thing that wagner creates special groups with engineers who are there in garages or in in any premises, they give them components according to technologies and they create drones for the front and there they check how they work not only in these wagner centers. and in general , a number of centers have been created in russia they drive out the engineers, in fact, in such a stalinist order, they force them to develop certain systems like this. that is, they are told that this is a product , it must have such ttx, tactical and technical characteristics , conditionally there you have to do. they are given by the components, there is a direct border with china, there is an opportunity

to receive unlimited components, and right here in this system, before being launched into the series , they are tested at the front, and right there all these engineers , who are mainly men of working age on they are very interested not to go there to marinka and shoot cannons, but to make a system that will work so that they are not mobilized there and not thrown to the front, here, uh, you very rightly mentioned the lancet, you mentioned the same shachet, we see that in russia there is such a a certain unification of drones they have a reconnaissance dronolan e-e 10th yes and our military says that they have them, well, the main one yes or are they really standing in boxes and they use them en masse they have a unified drone for attacks e-e strategic e -e shahit they have er-e used lancet of the drone

mikadze and we have such a uh, well, a frank salad of different drones, each manufacturer develops something, tries to put uh, the military says it's a cool drone, let me have 100 pieces ready there, he says, yes, you can take them, and i can keep three a month, but we're moving to some kind of unification in this matter, are we continuing a year and a half of almost a war? we are continuing to do these experiments of the latest development and, well, to have such a variety of drones that need to be trained in a new military way, look at us , this zoo will be stored for a certain time. us part of the production will not survive part will survive we will have certain elements of unification therefore just as the elements will be unified certain tactics