[000:00:00;00] viktor orbán decided to take it out of date. obviously, this is a message from official budapest, but not by official means, that is, we are being pushed to the point that we should offer some part of our territory there in exchange for peace, and here is a certain illusion among our neighbors that in this way it is possible to achieve a sustainable of a reliable peace, they are really very naive, they have not encountered and seriously analyzed it for a long time, this simply shows how naive is the analysis that provides the e-e leaders of these states that propose such a thing, they simply do not understand that such materials cannot be achieved by territorial methods, it will only destroy or create an additional appetite

to go further, if something can be seized and legitimized, then obviously the signal will be perceived that it is necessary to go further. therefore, it is obvious that this proposal, this hint, it is not just illegal, because it concerns territorial integrity, it also does not lead to peace in any way. you can see the map of crimea, it is not red , not like ukraine is depicted. thank you , mr. oleksandr oleksandr sushko, executive director of the international renaissance an international political scientist was with us. thank you for the conversation, we are moving on, now we will talk about our other neighbors, the poles, michal kaminsky, and this is marshal oksana, the republic of poland and members of the european parliament of the fifth, sixth and seventh convocations are joining our broadcast. thanks to the heroes of ukraine, michal was waving such

an interesting law in poland, which is proposed to be amended . the president of poland, panduda, is proposing amendments to this law about russian influence, and even the united states is worried and says that this is because i apologize for the russian language , which is not , by no means, the fact that i am under russian influence. and the party today takes an absolutely correct position in relation to ukraine , and we, as an opposition, have always supported the military president and the polish government in this regard, in terms of military,

political, and political support for ukraine well, on the other hand, the reason why we are in opposition to the move is the fact that in the political plan, for the last 8 years , the political and ideological russification of poland has been taking place without the use of the russian language, without emphasizing the connection with russia, but the same and the same anti-european, anti-progressive and the anti-democratic ideology that reigns in russia, i can say that even in the previous convocation, when i was a member of the lower house of the polish parliament, the sejm, i was one of several deputies who voted against the anti-bandarov laws that were adopted by the government and still appear in our ruling

party, they then and i say this loudly from the rostrum of the polish diet , even though you always emphasize to the poles that you are polish patriots and you are always against russia in this very law, you repeat russian propaganda about banderas and so on , let's say that everything anti-ukrainian is part of russian propaganda, and they are in it then. even jews and under the influence of the international, let's say, they made a serious step back today after the adoption of this law by the diet , although we did everything we could, but he managed to overcome it. i already emphasize that there is a problem with this law, the president signed it when that’s what, not only tomorrow , in warsaw, the largest

composition rally in the last 30 years will take place. first let's say the maidan when in kiev then i remember i was say to the participants of the orange revolution as a young euro mp at that time i remember these crowds of people in kiev who demanded that ukraine be democratic and tomorrow in warsaw literally the same thing will happen i hope that half a million at least polyakov will go to the streets of our city and our capital and we will demand democracy in the western style, this law about russian influence gives the majority in the parliament the opportunity to declare someone an enemy without any evidence a nation means a person with a friendly influence. it is necessary to understand that in poland it means that if you are called a person with a friendly influence

, we have a generation. a generation, we fought with russia. a person who grows up in poland. a spy or russian agents - this is the biggest insult in poland, it's simply worse, you can't offend anyone, what's the name of polyakov, that he works for russia, especially today, and you understand that such weapons are straightforward in the elections that give themselves power, despite the fact that they are eight years old, they have all the special services, if they have evidence that someone from us is a russian agent, show that there is judicial evidence, and so on . октрита well, they don't do this, they give enormous power to a small group of politicians who will evaluate who can be

a candidate , who can't be a candidate, etc. yesterday's rather the president's statement that they will change this law but how will it solve this problem well, it will not solve the problem that by the way you showed only that orbán's video and today's orbán is the only partner political partner of our government in the european union i don't know all this is a disappointing story they they didn't start today. i remember how , a few years ago, i was completely shocked when i was in krakow and turned on tv-1. i saw a report that just... i was i was surprised because i didn't expect it because it seemed to me that even in ukraine we turned the page of such materials. just if

you turn off the polish language, you can watch it like i'm cleaning ort and there or some channel , tv channel russia, in terms of propaganda that they emphasize that the west is dirty, what is there, the moral decay of the west is happening, and so on. do you imagine that our minister of education, minister of education, and a member of the government said, listen, that the european union is no different from the soviet union? do you imagine that there is no difference, that in there was an occupation of the soviet union, and now the occupation of bruxelles is happening. and then i ask a question, guys, you don’t support ukraine, and they are going to the same europe , which you now say is dirty. and you say to the ukrainians who are suffering at the front today that they are they want to return to the soviet union out of relevance, they are fighting, well, it’s just that you understand that this is an extreme right, yes, this

law has little time left, or can it be directed personally against donald tusk in order to remove a child against you represent the former president of europe, they hate him to that extent. when they re-elected tuzka as the president of europe , the polish government was the only one who voted against it, even orban voted for 27.1, they then lost in europe, they simply hate him because he always proved that he he is a polish patriot , and secondly, a successful international politician is a pole who was the president of europe, they want to accuse him of being under russian influence, absolutely ridiculous, incredible and that's how they went, actually. this is tomorrow's action

that the poles will hold. will they go to the opposition march? will they listen to the poles? will the government listen to the poles ? how polish women protested in connection with the fact that abortion was banned. not only revenge , not only the first thing, because it concerns them, but they were also supported by men, such conscious people , because there was even a case that a woman in poland who banned abortion died because of it that some kind of infection started and and she had to carry out this abortion, and in principle, that is, these actions took place, but they did not lead to anything. tomorrow's action will help the current polish authorities to somehow think about whether payment is necessary, which means tomorrow for polyakov is the fourth anniversary of the first in the partially free elections in the entire

space of the soviet bloc in 1989, we then elected the full free first polish senate, in which i am today 100%, candidates from the opposition won , the communists lost 100%. places of all nations and lost 35 seats in the sejm in the lower house, in which only 35% were eligible for free elections. the second world war in all of eastern europe and we voted against the communists almost unanimously overthrew the power of the communist party and this is the anniversary of our freedom. this is our second or

third independence. this is the fourth. these elections were not there then. i was 17 years old. i remember exactly this day. these expectations and this hope and this. and all of this came true. it means all of these hopes. they are. all of our dreams have come true. we are now in nato. we are in the european union . unfortunately, they will lose the elections to our government . who wants to build 19 eternal nationalism in the center of modern europe it simply will not succeed, but you say that they will lose the elections, that is, society has already decided to whom they have more technical sense, the winners of the elections , although they are the first party in terms of percentages they get 37 percent, and this is definitely the first place, but all the rest how easy it is to post, they get just more of them, the only chance is the union with the extreme nationalist party, by the way , the only party that has doubts

about support for ukraine, there is no open anti-ukrainian position, but there is people who i also hold in national ukrainian positions , this is extreme nationalists, if they get a good result, there is a possibility that they will rule further, but in a coalition with the extreme right forces but this is unlikely to work, i think that i have made positions anyway, so far it looks like there will be three blocs, the centrist bloc, which i represent the civic platform of stusytkom and the left of our hundreds of democrats, and according to all the polls, so far it looks like we will have calm majority all the time and all the nation we already have four years well, it's only the upper apparatus and these 37%, who still have the affection of 37% of poles, what

does law and justice bribe them with, a good word bribes them first of all ukrainians already understand those, especially those who moved through poland , that in the last 8 years, all the social benefits , let's say moisture, which the state distributes to people, and this is certainly the success of this government, people received more money, this is definitely the second, the second, the second of this policy, this is a big treasure. rysh, of course , the price we pay, but even so, there is a part of the population that likes it, there is a part of the population, a small, very strong conservative video, logically speaking, these people, although they are absolutely unconditionally they are anti-russian and in this respect they support ukraine, nothing bad can be said about them in this respect well, they are very conservative, they are afraid of modernity and

they see our ruling party as some kind of protection against this modernity, they are connected to the catholic church, they are for such, let's say, religious reasons they vote for the current government. thank you, mr. mihaly. good luck. tomorrow's field action is critical . it is critical for poland to be such a signpost and a good example for me. democracy seems to be of high quality, i am sure that the union in poland and ukraine determines the future of europe, not only the future of our countries, but the future of europe, and in terms of support for ukraine, there is no doubt, not in power, not in the opposition, this is important to emphasize, despite all the very deep, let's say, conflicts that есть внутри с нашей страны, but in this plan , all poles are united for the victory. thank you for poland, for you, democracy still

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the petition for the resignation of oleksandr tkachenko from the post of minister of culture so the petition from very with a difficult story, she collected the necessary 25,000, even a little more, it was not so easy. it was putting sticks in the wheels, she disappeared from the site , then it was impossible to register, it was impossible to vote, and finally , but she did collect and got it , the authors of this petition finally received an answer, uh, and here it is this answer is that the petition could not get the required number of votes within the set deadline, and there are still two days until the end of voting, journalist daria girna , who supports this petition, writes about this. well, i see that already 25,000,470 votes were collected there out of the required 25,000. in a word, the cabinet of ministers is somehow wrong with mathematics or something. another

petition was registered by a lawyer from odesa who went to fight in the armed forces of ukraine and about the resignation of the goalkeeper . this is the new leader of oda. i know the man. of the year was supposed to be lustrated because he was the deputy of pshonka, this is the same one who fled to russia, that famous, infamous , more precisely, the prosecutor general of the times of yanukovych, and the person was returned from lustration by the decision of the oask scandalous court, this is truly scandalous odious without any claps here well in a word otaka here is some story a woman with a russian passport well that's it we're already used to it nika kridankova advocacy manager of the de jure foundation joins us congratulations i congratulate you ms. nikon first of all let's go

straight to the main e-e so, the higher qualifications commission of judges, this cornerstone of all future reforms of the judicial branch, the most important branch of the most important reforms, has finally been formed . you can say that it is fully empowered, it is 16-16 eyes. let's talk. about these 16, it was very good, my god, we choose them, how many years has it been chosen for the cs of 2019, in fact, the last line-up of the vkks was then eliminated from 2019. it's hard to read even this now, but on the 16th, those who came, what kind of people are they, why? well, we understand , the story with the prince seems to be the same as with the head of the supreme court of ukraine. she

showed that if we have even the slightest doubts , then in fact yes, yes, there are 16 members now they have appointed two such people who caused such an absence and in fact they were not refuted even during the competition conducted by the competition commission not even when there were interviews from the high council of justice itself, this is actually one retired judge volodymyr luhanskyi, who , in fact, we were so worried about this there were 54 cases for drunken driving, which he closed with a glaring time limit. why did we put so much emphasis on these cases, because in general , driving under the influence of alcohol is a big source of corruption for the judiciary, because earlier the term of consideration was 90 days and it was very easy to lose the case for 90 days somewhere, among other things, not to consider it and close it without guilt without er punishment and actually er unfortunately, volodymyr luhanskyi could not

explain why these cases were closed , decision two was explained and therefore us this is very surprising to the supreme council of justice. regarding his candidacy, because in the context of the beating of a national guardsman , they say that he was also drunk, and he himself actually smeared drunken judges and drunken drivers. we don't understand why volodymyr luhanskyi i ended up in the vps and i, too i think he has if you believe, zhurnakov is in the final version of 54 decisions where he managed to acquit drunk drivers, yes, that's right, it was also on the list now. ludmila volkova is a judge. she is also known for not actually being able to explain where in her

friend because two of them had almost uah 3 million to lend her for the purchase of an apartment, and she was also on the court of a judge whose head of court did not want to incline to the right decision in the case of the oligarch kirsh, and these so-called babanka tapes were found on everyone - and this matter came up for consideration and she distinguished herself by the fact that at the interview she said that she explained the position of this court to serhiy bondarenko that he himself agreed with her that the complaints should be withdrawn , but serhiy bondarenko, when he was watching the interview , wrote a publication that you think this is not true they wanted to persuade him to withdraw the complaints so that the judge of his court could continue to work calmly, which he did not want to do, that's why, in fact , i don't really understand what she can do, she doesn't fully understand what pressure is on judges and that's why considering the fact that the task facing the supreme court is not a very good candidacy

, but it's cool about these, well, first, let's start with the fact that there is no procomendant among the elected judges , for example, andriy kozlov, from which supreme court was the previous and convocation. as far as i remember , this is one of those few well, who should have been left? how did it happen that he was not re-elected, uh, actually you, so far, this decision of the supreme council of justice shows that uh, the judges , the judicial system are trying in every possible way to preserve the status quo, because you are right andriy kozlov, who was the only member of the past members of the commission, who was truly the only independent or representative of the kharkiv anti-corruption center , volodymyr yatsenko, who is actually known for having preserved almost 160 hectares of land in kharkiv in city

ownership, oleg, who was he? -he is actually a well-known lawyer and was also a member of the public council of integrity. the supreme council of justice did not elect almost any agents of change and this shows that, unfortunately, judges are not able to choose the best among those they propose because they see this a threat, because during the competition held by the competition commission, which gave 32 candidates, there were many more agents of change in such a list, and there was actually someone to choose from. unfortunately, the supreme council of justice did not do this, so the list is good, but not the best advice. kozlova let's show him anyway so that people remember who won't be there. unfortunately, among the new members of the communist party of the soviet union, how many of those 16 worthy people have come? do they have a critical majority

? you said that andriy kozlov was in fact one independent member of this ccs in the previous convocation. that is, it is obvious, well, it characterizes what this commission was like now, because it is very critical to have at least six members of the commission, in fact, who are thinking independent members, because the public council explains the integrity during the evaluation of judges or contests, she gives her conclusion about the non-compliance with the criteria of integrity. actually, this you negative e-e can be overcome if there are 11 members of vikks who are ready to vote for this overcoming why there was a problem with the previous composition, because, as i said, only one lawsuit was a truly independent member who showed an example , and now it looks like in the dense composition of the valuable court and the detectives of the corruption bureau and representatives of other

anti-corruption bodies in our country a country that actually in their work demonstrates a great deal of independence from political parties, which actually can't help but please, and we can see now on the list that there are chances that there will be at least six of those who can be counted on. hopes that they will be independent. well and now about what the high qualification commission of judges was elected for, what is the next phase, what should these people do in order for the judicial branch in ukraine to become a justice system, and not a system of any kind the scheme of bribery is built in an interesting way, they now face two big tasks , the first is to get almost two and a half thousand

new judges of ukraine, so the technique of whom they will be held these few years will determine what our justice will look like well, for tens of years ahead, in fact, it is a very big task - it is to complete the so-called qualification evaluation , this is a process of purification, you can say, of the entire judiciary , which is currently in existence, because there are 2,000 judges waiting for qualification evaluation in the system, and in fact, the public will be involved in this process the council of integrity, which after the creation of which commission will now be formed, i remember may 19, when it became known that a new president had just been elected here

. i was struck by the fact that andriy, a lawyer from the time of yanukovych, returned to kyiv , and at that time, do you even remember, there were attempts to appoint him to the university rector's office, then somewhere else, and very often such conversations were heard even among my fellow journalists what did he say? well, that person is certainly quite controversial. if someone said just a scoundrel. well, he is a very professional lawyer and this can be passed on to us . i am sure that when there will be disputes around these every second new there are 2.5 thousand judges of this judicial corps. i think that these disputes will be reproduced locally. the question is that there is a very good specialist. but he has some, well