[000:00:00;00] uh, the situation has become much more complicated for the russian elites, but you know, unlike democratic countries, you can say either erdogan or the opponent or biden or trump in russia, tell me number two, no one sees it. that means that anything can happen suddenly. and more i just want us to understand everything exactly. there are groups of influence that argue, that is, neither prigozhyn nor nikodirov are alone . that is, there is speculation about the kremlin towers there and so on, but there is the fate of the truth. the future if someone doesn't think because they don't think like that because they don't think like that others think they don't want to be killed be captured remain on trial or end up on trial therefore of course there are processes but we don't see who

or what it is even worse are the so-called patriots e is it well, i don’t see liberalism on the horizon at all, and i want to say the last thing in order to consolidate the opinion that it is no accident that putin and all the gb on the fsb and on the elite pushed amendments to the legislation and the constitution that those who have a residence permit or other citizenship it is possible to hold positions in the security and defense sector of the russian federation, that is, they are afraid that if there is a change in transit , so that random people do not end up there, that is, they are somehow trying to insure themselves, but they are not doing it very well now, well, effectively, so it is very difficult to predict, the amount of information is insignificant, but that tomorrow will be saved the regime so that it would have fallen eh so far i haven't seen it, but how can i state that the situation has deteriorated very much and so

to speak in human language, the gnats in eh in the kremlin and around him, that's why i see it as a normal perspective and it's no accident that the cia recorded a clip saying that you want to protect russia, then come to us and tell us. help, we 'll do something with you and russia will be protected, so it's no accident that the special services are working for this. thank you very much, vadym chernysh, minister of ukraine for came from the occupied territories of internally displaced persons. thank you very much , mr. vadim, and we are now moving on to our next guest, this is volodymyr hrytsko , the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine for the seventh and ninth years, but now he will appear in as an expert on russia on the russian-ukrainian war now, and my first question will be a subliminal one, who hasn't slept with the bride yet, this is such a slogan because today we found out that indonesia has begun to propose its peace plan, we see

african countries, we see brazil, we see the pope rymsky, we see a bunch of different people who desperately want to somehow bring peace to the ukrainian land, only and for some reason, according to all these plans, except for plagiarism , zelensky's plans have to give something, so peace is not possible. well, someone will say, let's go to crimea let's give it. let's give it. let's do it. let's do something. let's do it. we'll do it, but somehow there is no such thing to punish a criminal. i'm just sitting there thinking, uh, in indonesia , there is also a murderer in the criminal code and they make such a remark to him . well, please don't kill anymore, because that's what it's not good to kill well, go on, walk, do what you want, how do you rate this line of well-wishers of ukraine who stand in line and offer some so-called peace plans around me, first of all

, i like your slightly erotic mood today they started with such an interesting formula, er, there is about er, who has not yet had affairs with whom, or slept with er, well, i will tell you frankly that in my opinion, this is not really about this, but about the last moscow canned goods, which until the last moment were not were activated, and now it's gone, it's gone, so to speak, the last round of what's left is gone, and we see it in many countries , in many personalities those stupid eyes are what the moscow leaders hope for well, why are they stupid? well, because well, because it is clear to everyone that no adequate

country will agree to such conditions, all the more so understanding what is behind this so-called peace-loving initiative is simply the desire to preserve the situation and prepare for a new phase of the war, that's why i i don't think that here it should be looked at in any other way than as these are really uh, the last efforts of uh, putin and his cobras to influence public opinion, uh , but believe me, i think it doesn't make any sense because uh and we are first and foremost our allies and partners clearly they declare that no one really needs such a peace. minister, well, it is an important question. then it is a question for you. with your experience, what is the role of russia? what is the role of russia? what do we see as the role of russia in a year or two? why am i

asking this because you said that i only i can support you because the experts all say that the africans also began to publish their plans after the minister of foreign affairs of russia went to africa and persuaded them there , then they got together and proposed a new plan, that is, it is clear that they do not listen to russia nowhere except for those states on which russia can still influence through some money , maybe some projects. but this is no longer the role of russia as a superpower, this is already the role of russia. who is begging, don't call. hello, come on, no, no, no , don't play. he said, "listen, there, my friend from chad, i don't know where you're from, from egypt, you 're there, please, i'm begging you. well, maybe we 'll do something there in the future, that is, what is

the diplomatic role of russia, a country that once was famous for super matia there such were the great diplomats of both the fifth and the 10th now somehow, it all seems to me to end. mykola, the diploma is that it was aimed at bribing its partners economically, putting them in dependence, looking for compromising material, and then using it properly. this is not how diplomacy works. how does a special service work? it was absolutely done by spies, not diplomats , yes, well, you and i have already repeatedly said that in every russian foreign mission, there is an embassy or a general consulate, it is a nest of special services

of diplomats. how many of them are there, uh, 20 percent at the most, everything else - this is er such and such a person from that er fsb there or the kgb er and everything similar er that is why diplomacy in russia er has always been focused on catching someone for something er it is to record er recruit, make a spy or someone who will immediately work or somehow preserve for some long period and then when the time comes for them, they start traveling around all of their dependent territories . in 1999, you were carrying a small suitcase you may have forgotten, we still remember that's why, please, i'll tell you what it is, are you going to tell your diplomats to vote like that, that's it, it's completely understandable things, it's

a detour of the territory, which, in theory, should obey er, moscow in force we don't know exactly what the circumstances are, but one way or another, it still climbs up , for example, now, for example, information has appeared that it is not an african, but our neighbor is a little to the west there where they speak hungarian , at one time he received money from the bandit mogilevych even in the middle of the 90s, and they remembered, they remembered after 15 years and they said that something will happen, it came out from the wrong side . well, let's see how it will end up, but the obvious things are that they vote for moscow with both hands and feet, so it's been a long time someone leads someone and leads quite strongly yes, i would only add that

i don't know who will like it, no, but i would say so , the kyiv bandit mogilevich, because he is from kyiv, and now he has become a great secret king in moscow, few people know, but they say that putin knows personally and is very friendly, well at least they're not enemies, so what's next? they know money very well in the fbi and i think they really want to get to know each other better . and i think that's how it will happen at some point. maybe not just that for such a general development the number of spies i know for sure vienna in soviet times and in paris installed 3,000 of these european capitals people just not

just spectators imagine 3,000 spies and i know for sure that in paris in the embassy the soviet union had one circuit and there was a second circuit, that is, in the embassy itself, inside the embassy, ​​like a cube, where the honest diplomat could not enter. he did not know the codes . sat out of three and there were still 100 diplomats there, but 3,000 were not diplomats, but spies. here you are, mr. mykola, well , they call it a submarine. that is, it is not the right place, and you really cannot enter, er, where only those who are initiated have the right to enter would say, but you are right, well, you understand that every second journalist, and maybe every first

journalist , is a person who is connected to the special services, that our cooperation develops cultural ties. uh, over this very uh, cap of mueller, and so on, that is, any uh, russian structure abroad is uh, the autumn nest of uh, russian espionage, and it's so very good that now finally in the west, all these have started to smoke out the nests, and when it comes to the fact that even germany is now just er-e sending er-e with a bad broom this whole this whole uh moscow intelligence uh community closing consulates general all over germany well, this already means that otaki finally understood and that all this diplomatic activity in quotation marks got and the last question or group of questions i will look at the

clock because we have today the nato broadcasting system is changing. so when they say i want ukraine to have a positive signal, the europeans say well, you won't join nato until the end of the war, uh, what hopes can there be then, yes, the same europeans say we need to give a strong signal and strong security guarantees, where, where, what do we need we can to hope for what the ukrainian people can hope for, please, we should not hope so, mykola, how to demand because with hopes contra spem spero, remember , we do not need this anymore, we need to demand that it be clearly stated at the summit that on the second day after the expulsion of the russian

of e-bands from the ukrainian territory, nato is starting the real process of ukraine's accession , well, it's a process really really no no no no short look how much time has passed for finland from the moment of application to the acquisition of membership , actually one and a half years, but that's exactly what happened on the first day after the completion of the expulsion of the russians from ukraine and until the moment of acquiring full membership. we must demand a nuclear guarantee from the usa , great britain, france. after that, all other issues actually become secondary . the british said that the umbrella is spread over you absolutely like this , the procedures themselves are already going on, they are long, but the umbrella is already there

and this is already a guarantee, yes, that is, for everything else now we have to look absolutely indifferently, because there are living examples, for example, 30 years ago, this is an example from today, so i think that there are simply no other options for us . well, thank you very much, volodymyr hrytsko , minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, the seventh - nine years head of the research center of russia - this is very important and now we will have a small but powerful advertisement pain can become an obstacle we walk on our knees from knee pain try dolgin cream

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is still mykola veresen, let's talk about turkey now, on what occasion olga budnyk is actually a correspondent of ukrifor-ukrinform in turkey if she appeared good health, mrs. olga, glad to see you. thank you for finding time for us. the first question i have is yours . i think it is the most important. then we will talk about others , but what is the general attitude in turkey? do they pay attention to the political life, because we know that eradugan got some 52-54 there, i don't remember for sure, but his competitor got about 50, and if there was a democratic democratic country in any country, the one who won is always considered, he

is always trusted, he listens to everyone questions, but he understands that after all, not two-thirds and not three-quarters are behind him, but still almost 50% of it means that almost half of the population trusts another person, it is worth listening to the other half, how about this, what can we say about turkey in this context and if we say the exact number that was announced by the higher election commission, then 52.18 was received by president erdoğan, of course he will not even listen . the party yes and personally, he did not try to disobey them, for example, what are the main principles that he is laying now in the development of the country, the first is the economic situation, overcoming

the consequences of earthquakes and the migration issue, and in particular the third is the migration issue. as a critic of the government and the ruling party , respectively, the reaction to the criticism did not take long , the president announced that 600,000 syrians have already returned home, another 1 million refugees will return in the near future and such hmm, such actions, to immediately react and indicate that the issues will be resolved, this is unusual. but in such a policy of erdoğan , that is why i think that even today, right now , he is announcing his program in the presidential palace, where the leaders of foreign countries have gathered, i think the inauguration he will also announce his main areas of activity for the 5 years

of the presidency , and listen, you can explain to the audience that this seems to me to be super important and super interesting to the ukrainian audience. it is to say that well, he is almost the same as putin, well, there is no freedom there, well, there is no democracy there, and on the other hand, and this is to a certain extent, i repeat to a certain extent true, but they definitely have an electoral democracy, we can say that there is no tolerance there for the opposition to there are some media levers or something else, but people vote honestly and count honestly, otherwise they wouldn’t have counted 52 and they would have counted 73 or 85 and in the first round they could have counted that is. and how is it that they get the turks that on the one hand there is pressure from the press, there are some bans, but on

the other hand, some part of the work is not one newspaper and not two are still more or less free as a result of the elections, and the opposition ones come, some so different, and the president gets some kind of pitiful 52% - this is not serious, for example, if you compare it with the central asian countries or the russian federation or belarus, where everything is fine 90 -th and everything is how it works out for them and this is how you know about the elections. they remain such a democratic stronghold and they were recognized by international observers as having taken place and it was also recognized by observers that in of turkish voters, there was a political choice, the only thing that was mentioned was that one of the candidates and it was about the president of turkey, he owned an administrative resource that was used by the election company, this is

international observers, you also noted that you absolutely correctly noted that you could write any numbers, but let's say so they did not do this, they counted. and when it was already clear that there were appeals, they were considered for almost a week, but the percentage of appeals was not so high that it could affect on the results of the elections, therefore, the announcements that the opposition contested or the ruling party contested were considered , but it was already clear that president rdogan won and there is no doubt. before the official results were announced. and today, for example , the secretary general of nato of the highest nationalities, that is

, the leaders of most democratic countries , was the first to congratulate the president of the eptogan. i think it simply shows that the elections are recognized, and when some media in ukraine focused on the fact that they did not undoubtedly win, the leadership positions should turn to deeper knowledge of turkey and understand that turkey is not only istanbul, ankara and peace big cities that vote more for the opposition, although even in these elections the difference was quite insignificant in these cities between the opposition and the top, but by the way, it is also the traditional one that values ​​no more progress towards the west, and at the price of more family values, the religious component, that is, on this should also be prevented, ms. olga, look, when the government does not resort to falsification , it is because the government understands that people will simply go out

en masse on the streets, that is, there must be some reason for people who gravitate towards authoritarianism, as a rule, if they are given the opportunity, they create authoritarianism or totalitarianism is the only safeguard - it's just that people will go out into the street and say no-no-no, you 've miscalculated something, that's exactly what if the activity of the turkish population of turkish citizens warns the authorities against such brutalities, and this component also works because before the first round, i will say that the situation in society was quite tense and even my friends called me and told me to go and withdraw money from the bank, there will be a big war in our country. we will defend our right to vote, but this did not happen in the first place due to the fact that in the first round the result was not

determined in the first round and it was clear that the vote was counted as it was and the result was determined in the second round as determine - pointed out p. mykola 52% - this is a small gap and let's say that if you count the 5% that sinaian un gave to support erdoğan, that's exactly how it turned out, that is, after receiving support, he won another important question, what he writes, look , we had several information that putin will go and zelensky will go, then it arises, now we know i we don't know if zelensky is there or if he is going to putin, they are already writing that he will not go, but how does the turkish press

describe this collision, this drama, i will come no i will come, putin said this, then this, then he denied it. what, what, people, what in the newspaper can be read in the morning about this entire history of putin's visit. the fact is that the turkish press itself created this story into an intrigue , one of the journalists said that putin's visit was expected and then the visit of president zelenskyi is expected, but she did not say anything that it will be about the inauguration . she said that it is expected that they will talk about the negotiations, about the grain corridor, in particular, and about the war, but no one said that they would come two or that they would come at all. zelenskyi will come after putin and putin. maybe even the inauguration, that is, this intrigue itself was created like this. why not dig in, so we told them they would come, but no one said that it would be for the inauguration

. putin will also happen someday, and you understand it in the same vein. turkey constantly emphasizes that it is ready to be a mediator, ready to provide a platform for negotiations, ready to give all possible conditions to create conditions for the parties to start negotiating and somehow move to resolve the conflict for the end of the war. i think that with the new term of the president, these efforts will begin with new strength, and most likely it was an attempt to draw attention to this again. newspapers is it on the agenda where? and i understand that now on the agenda were the elections. it is obvious, but in

principle it is some kind of leverage. in such an important international context, what is ukraine feeding africa, some middle eastern chalk is selling failure, everything is fine, and we turks are like that, we say we are cool and that’s how we have it, see the president is like that, or like that, or there , no one even knows about it, the grain corridor remains in the information field, and i will say that ordinary citizens are happy with this success, but it is not a priority , that is, the issues of the economic state of the state, for example, product prices, are more relevant for the citizens of turkey, but they are they themselves understand that this component of the grain that comes from ukraine stabilizes

the situation on the food market, for example, and that is why it is a success , but at the same time, the latest news says that the corridor is actually standing, that new efforts are needed to get it up and running, and of course especially before the first round of the elections, the grain corridor was presented in such a way as the international geopolitical success of president erdoğan, but already hmm before the second round before thank you very simply news news and news and i always see here the ear here they say that if i don't hand over melnyk to slovakia now, i'll be fired, i'm handing over my word, not the petition that won the required number of votes. regarding his dismissal, he remains in his post and we'll start with what