[000:00:00;00] each in his own way that at this time it is the time of the fall of the sunset that they are waiting for and the time of the rise when they need to raise their wings and of course china is now trying, well , it may have needed a little more time to form, as you said, some kind of something more understandable e concept of strategy but still, russian aggression against ukraine and the absence of the blitzkrieg that the whole world was hoping for, and there is even a certain lack of understanding on the part of china because, after all , they saw russia as a great power with a large army, but it turns out that it is not, and it turns out that the west well, it didn't completely fall, moreover, it united, and it turns out that russia was unable to take ukraine in two days and the situation has changed in china, now it is necessary to adapt to these conditions by offering

an alternative and starting to take advantage of the situation in order to enter a more global level and sit-pin suggested, for example, the global security initiative and the global global civilization e-e initiative and the global development initiative if you and i are reading well, of course to say sorry , please, there is just no time thank you i would explain, i will start thinking about your words after the program. it seems to me that they have logic. and this is very important . natalya plaksienko butyrska, an expert on east asia, master of foreign policy, was with us. now let's go back home. here the government officials are scaring us by raising electricity tariffs and so on.

more but we need to find out whether the government is doing the right thing or the cabinet is doing the right thing because we have a division of power. this is always very good because they do not trust each other . the country is normal, democratic, oleksiy kucherenko, the people of ukraine, first deputy chairman of the committee on energy and housing and communal services of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, we are visiting. i hope, mr. oleksiy , it will be nice to see you. thank you for finding the time for us. don't raise prices at all, i'm just saying that uh, there's criticism oh, they raised prices and i'm saying well, listen well, it will be let's say so in ukraine it will still be maybe the lowest price but the lowest

european price well, it wasn't, it can't be like that that in austria there is so much in poland so much in holland so much and here we have five times less well and well how come you are absolutely right we who are not well really well you have to believe that in ukraine the lowest price in europe is lower by the way than in moldova and in the same belarus, i can tell you in general that if you compare with poland and slovakia , the czech republic, the price for our population is three times lower than in neighboring countries, germany, if you compare well, we will be 7-8 times less. you understand, i understand the counterargument right away not to attack i immediately say that our incomes are not european. i agree with this. you agree with everyone. there is a part of our ukrainians who, in fact, have been working on the labor market for a long time and have , well, quite good incomes. of course , first of all,

pensioners have little security there. indeed, incomes fall out, and that is why the issue of tariffs is always very acute in our country, because i remember when i was the head of the state housing and communal services minister, and so on . the issue of tariffs is an economic category, but it turns into a political one, you understand. these low incomes. they are always opposed to these tariffs, because i will say the last thing, then i will start asking questions to get away from philosophy, because when i am asked, our incomes are less, i say and you work like the germans, we have roads like in germany we have houses like we have medicine, we have education, hey , the university of heidelberg is scattered all over ukraine, and nobel laureates

are educated there. we will learn to also receive a lot of money, but the question is what to do then just adapt or what should the government do then i will tell you what i as a journalist can say as mine as a media that the government never explains why oleksiy kucherenko explains at least in my programs often and i would i wanted the head of the government, the minister, to say simply with chalk on the blackboard, guys, well, we have it, but it doesn't work here, we're trying here, yes, here, yes, here, and here , they won't give us a loan, and that's why we're forced. well , let's talk to the population of ukraine, even propaganda, first of all, propaganda, namely, i absolutely agree, mykola. by the way, you know that i am a deputy from the opposition. it would be easier for me to fight now. yes, there are scoundrels, scoundrels

who do not raise any increase at all . electricity should be free. and it is even better to pay extra correctly for its consumption . well, i in all the programs and on your broadcast , i also tried to explain calmly, because i consider myself a specialist, a professional person, the first deputy head of the specialized committee. i explained the economy and, unfortunately , did not even cover the actual tariff for the population cost price, do you understand what is the problem with cost cost not the so-called market price , if there was a market price, we would have 5-6 hryvnias per kilowatt hour in general payments? the value of the ukrnerga tariff is added to this tariff. similarly, the state established

it without taking it, the oblenergo tariff is added and the state established it, and another commercial estimate is provided, and as a result , we barely come out on these there approximately 2.88, which was calculated by the nkrcp, the government even skewed it because the nkrcp submitted calculations for 2.88, the government lowered it by 24 kopecks and accordingly approved 2.64 by its resolution, that is , a conditional increase of 96 kopecks. well, if you take hryvnia 68, the previous tariff is hryvnia 44 there a little more, but now the price will tell you that you have nothing to do, calculate the average consumption of a ukrainian family of 170 kwh per month for please remember, that is, the average in an average household is 170 kg/h

, the increase is conditional on the hryvnia, approximately 170 hryvnias this is an additional burden today on the motherland, on average in the country, it is fatal. no, it is not fatal. pensioners need to help the poor, and for those who work, they receive an average salary of 15-17 thousand for today . it was not possible to increase it. unfortunately, it was not possible, you understand, because this hole is huge in the energy market, it is finishing the energy sector today, and they have all come to such a dead end without calculations, you understand. and really the risks are simple, we will have cheap electricity for the price , only it will not be in the networks, you understand, the price will be good, but there will be no electricity, but there is a real alternative to all this .

i'm such a liberal, i always say that listen, the state is in the state. we've been living for 30 years of post-socialism. i still tell everyone. let's go to the state, let's go to the state. well, it won't be . it's easy to steal the state from the state, it's harder. somehow make joint stock companies or something. well, i just sit and think. as long as it is state-owned, i do not believe that it will be well managed , how can i agree with you at all, because really, if there was a completely open market for electricity and gas, then we would have a price for gas now, just so you know, it would be 15 hryvnias per cubic meter, but in winter it would be 30 and 45 when the market prices were the same, the tariff for electricity would be 5-6 hryvnias today ani 264 i'm afraid that this

socio-political explosion really caused it for no reason we will get to i have absolutely no doubts about a full-fledged market. and by the way, this is a prerequisite for our european integration, you understand that our european integration is primarily a merger of the energy, gas , electric, oil markets, and so on, and accordingly , there will be an equalization and adaptation of prices , but it will not happen very quickly. i can disappoint euro optimists who say we are there we will be there in a month or a year we will integrate into the european union no we will not integrate into the european union so quickly directly what a horror we have to work on what you said at the beginning so that we have efficiency great jobs and corresponding earnings both in the budget sector and in the commercial private sector. well, pensions, and our pensioners. unfortunately , we will not do without subsidies for a long time. this is also clear to me. okay, then the following thoughts arise and they are quite

simple, eh, we need to prepare to the entire population of ukraine so that we start living under capitalism and not in the cinema, yes, not in the cinema , because when we watch a movie, many ukrainians still have it from soviet times, you remember because they don't show us factories in the cinema , it shows us smart came out in paris or vienna drinks coffee and flirts with a girl. they go to the sea, everything is fine there, and it seems that this is how europeans live. they work hard for eight hours, and not so much, and count each cup of coffee very expensive. the higher the education of this person, the more expensive it is. it is clear that the average salary there is 2-3 thousand euros. yes, i understood that it is a completely different economy of households. i do not hire

businessmen. yes, they all take risks there, either profits or bankruptcy, etc. further but on average definitely what at income there, well, 2,000 € per month, conditionally, definitely possible, well, it’s not so painful , by the way, about coffee, mykola, how much does a cup of coffee cost in lviv, tell me, well, the same as in kyiv, yes, i think so, less, maybe even less, yes, only 25- you probably have 30. yes, i think yes. i rarely drink coffee in a cafe . it 's just me . what's the point of 17 0? spend. and you understand the rest. i understand that no one likes a promotion, but you will understand

also, the energy sector has its own problems . moreover, i want to say right away that i definitely do not deny that the energetics have, especially in the state company, there is a scheme . i found 6 billion worth of such abuses there. this does not mean that they stole something worth billions, but let's say that the procurement was definitely opaque . this is clear, i guarantee it to you definitely . it is all being crushed by someone there, well, in high positions . we must definitely fight with this and i am watching. now, with such cardinal steps , i’m going to do it right, guys, let them fight, they’re going to plant, and still another question.

everything is against the war, despite the fact that all the lights are on 24/7, somewhere in some entrances, there is something there , count the kilowatt hours, we will be interested in how much each device consumes, each light bulb, i have a large family, five children, it is clear that we are not bills and others and i already held a meeting with the children and told them that we should treat electricity a little differently, what i advise everyone to use energy resources rationally , the whole world lives like this, we must remember this. lyosha from kahenka is like that, but it’s very interesting. when i come to see him in london, he says you know what i think about in the evening and in the morning. i say no. in the evening, i go to the second floor to sleep and breathe. and on the first floor, it gets hot and i just suffer, and

during the day i’m on top. i lower the bedroom and sit downstairs on the first floor, and on the second floor, it spends it on gas . yes, and he says it’s simple. if i could figure it out somehow, well, it ’s impossible, then i would live much richer . volumes are extra extra meters. now it will be very painful to hit those who have them this is definitely a thousand-meter cottage, it will be very painful to maintain the cottage, you understand such a life, such a life. okay, thank you very much. thank you very much, and everyone . kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine, first deputy chairman of the committee on energy and housing and communal services of the verkhovna rada of ukraine we talked with mr. oleksiy about the fact that there is no honey ahead, let's say directly no honey , but if you want to live well

, you have to learn to count and then we will be like in estonia, like in poland, like in the czech republic, i don't think that in the near future we will be like in holland or belgium, but also poles and estonians came out of the same soviet union with us and now there is a little difference. well, we have a war going on. i don't want to surprise anyone with these words because no one will be surprised because everyone knows that there is a war going on and it is very interesting here. the person is an interesting conversation. i hope there will be a general director, artistic director of the kherson theater named after mykola kulish oleksandr, the book is in touch with us, but first you see

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all this . and what do you think about the number of collaborators around you ? it is nice to look at heroes, to look at our generals, our soldiers, people who fight for us, volunteers, and so on , but it is definitely unpleasant to think about collaborators, and your opinion was a lot around the collaborators, did you see them, you are in front of you, thank god they are not so many in fact, well, for example here. if we talk about the theater, we have 250 employees , but there were only 14 collaborators. these are the ones who went to work in the so-called russian academic theater that they created, and they left. someone pressured them. they somehow

suffered from them there. i don't know, they threatened them, well, that is, it is always clear that there are such cases when i really threaten life , well, you have no way out, but you are going. and there is something that you, on the contrary , expected this, out of these 14, you feel. i understand that you are not in the head with him you can't how many of them were you waiting for or if you hoped or if you agreed immediately and how many of them were under pressure? well, you know those who were hoping . there are literally a couple of people. we already understand the narratives that we felt from them even before the war. it was palpable. and others were simply bought. you know, they bought a large salary, and that is, they received their 30 silver coins. they were lured there with a salary of 60,000, although in fact they were paid 60,000 uah for three months of work, you again

deceived them, well, 30 silver coins is the case decided it turns out do you love your homeland or are you ready to serve only for money and now the question is what to do with them now it's simple i'm just in my dear er editors tell me here that it's a very strange situation that these people can be fired from their jobs or, for example , deprived of a meritorious worker the people's artist is well-deserved, that is, it is not possible because there is no law that would allow it. explain that they are dismissed but continue to be great cultural figures. i will say more of them . release them today i know that they escaped today that they work there on the left bank that they represent the russian academic kherson theater but i cannot release them because by law i must create a commission that will find out why they do not go to work

and then inform them by messenger and then even when i release them to pay them wages and compensation, this is a paradox in general, but it is so, and today i am forced to work out these issues with lawyers in order to release these people so that they go with the russian ship. i want it now to repeat your words so that the audience will understand this better, that is, there are traitors, collaborators, and nothing can be done with them, and if you do, if you succeed in firing them , they will receive a salary and compensation. they will still earn from their dismissal, that is the situation. it is necessary. i hope the court can decide what to deprive or release and so on, and so far the cases are officially conducted only on three collaborators. i hope that one of the deputies of the verkhovna

rada is listening to us now and may start there to think in the verkhovna rada or in the cabinet of ministers just to think what to do how to proceed and so on and so on what are you doing now, mr. oleksandr what do you have how is this the worst question what can you imagine e.e. from a journalist to an artist the manager, what are the creative plans, i will tell you that the plans are simply huge well, first of all, we work in kherson, we work every day, every day, we have events related to concert programs, do we go around the villages, do we play plays? we started working with children there, opened such workshops classes for children and every saturday and sunday our arthag comes to us in sheltered piles of children. at the moment i am in kyiv and today on my way to kherson, because right now the operetta theater in which i am is playing a play staged by our

main director serhiy pavlyuk, it is behind the purple tigrolovi yes that we work every day and literally on the sixth. we are starting to work on a new premiere, not in kherson yet , in kropyvnytskyi, but it is safer there, but there is hope that we will play it in kherson at the end of june. well, how is life in kherson in general kherson because we wake up as usual, like every normal ukrainian wakes up and looks at some gadget where they are shooting, something is happening, what is happening in the east, what is in the west, where did it fly, and the people of kherson do the same thing and what i see in the kherson region is constantly flying in. and in kherson itself also, what is the situation, just tell me in more detail, i will tell you. kherson lives and works. it resists when you go to work and see when servicemen in body armor sweep the streets and cut the grass on

the lawns, and at this time mines are whistling over with your head, you understand that we simply cannot be broken. kherson works every day, and the number of people returning is increasing. the number of cars is definitely increasing, and the plane costs a day and you don’t know where you are going in the morning and you see. today, viktor flew here to school, and viktor flew to the house, especially the lower dnipro is suffering where is closer to oleshki and they shoot all the time, but kherson works down, they are used to what is happening . for example, i have already arrived here at the beginning of december, as soon as kherson was liberated. and i am there all the time. i went on a business trip, but we are all there and we are working, and such household items, is there electricity, is there water, are there shops, are there pharmacies, are there medical facilities? these are the things that we are used to here in lviv, because it does not arrive as often as in kherson.

i mean, you can't even compare, but it's just interesting, but what's going on in kherson, in kherson and in the kherson region, it works. there is electricity , well, occasionally it gets somewhere, but literally for an hour and a half and they are restored again , hospitals are working, shops are working, i'll tell you even coffee shops, you walk down the street and you see glowing lanterns , this means that the coffee shop is open there. there is nothing there except kava, but it works , this also gives confidence that kherson is alive . so, we have hospitals, i myself have been working recently, for literally a few days that's why i went to the regional hospital, i fell there, or i come in winter, everything works, the windows are broken, they are sewn up and the doctors are sitting on the fifth floor and i'm saying yes, lord, from the window you can see a pigeon , a pier , they are shooting from there. kherson continues its resistance, works and waits for one. we are waiting to get out of our bomb shelters, get out of our basements and start working on all the stage areas, and we are already preparing the festival for

the month of september and we are waiting for guests in kherson . we hope that everything will happen as we plan. yes i am also waiting. by the way, i have been resting in kherson oblast for 12 years in a row, so i know very well what is happening there. and now i want to ask you , well, you may receive some information from the occupied territories. what is happening, how do people live, can they get into the unoccupied territory or are they not released, how do they eat, this is exactly what you say about kherson, it works and this and this and medical facilities and that. and how do people live there, how hard are they, how difficult is it for them there? please, there very it's difficult because my house is still under occupation on the left bank, i don't have a home in kherson, i live with friends , we have information, we literally had very powerful shelling from our side

, the enemy is pressing all the time, there was no light in oleshki for several days that's why mommy called oh-oh-oh, what should i do, i need to water the garden, you know, it's very expensive there, everything they suffer because well , so you understand, a kilogram of meat costs 750 uah , a bad russian sausage is 800 uah, it's very hard there, but people live a lot people do not receive passports and do not go for any help, they are waiting for the fallen, after all, they are driven out, the left bank there resists as much as the rashists understand that i cannot hold it , they cannot keep the army there all the time, and this is not crimea, because they are crimea imported for many years the russians were also waiting there, and then they crushed the ukrainian segment that was there in the kherson region. as soon as it doesn't happen , they understand it, and i have information from one village, i won't say, from which people also got in touch. they are just waiting, people have planted vegetable gardens and they are waiting for it to be possible to sell vegetable gardens and

to have our ukrainian tomatoes and watermelons reach all the way to lviv, they are waiting for the rashies to be expelled and all this can be brought to the controlled territory. how are you? sorry mr. oleksandr book, general director and artist, director of the kherson theater named after mykola kulish told us what is happening in the kherson region good luck ladies and gentlemen my name is mykola veresen see you tomorrow kyiv residents check the shelters in their districts what people found out how many patriot systems are needed to close the ukrainian sky and rest is the evacuation to where? whose money