[000:00:00;00] and they began to grow up, you understand, the youth began to grow up, that is, when they eventually strengthened enough to destroy our state, we had to oppose them to people who were born in independent ukraine, because if in 1994 an openly pro-russian politician came to power, the ukrainian state would be destroyed like this how belarus was destroyed. well, it was now in the form of a union state and now it is completely calm. we were just thinking from the territory of ukraine . the prerequisites were thank you, mr. vitaly, for this excursion. i am sure that it was important for determining our position, and let's talk about the important event of this week . volodymyr zelenskyi was at the summit of the european political community in moldova , that summit was held. and here is my first question

: why in moldova saying this panda signal from there were 50 european leaders 40 signal from russia 48 i apologize simply at 9:50 they didn't arrive they didn't arrive i still don't understand why the captain agents of san marino didn't come well that's all why moldova for some reason ukrainian look at the border, we are not afraid. we are not afraid, and we stand in solidarity with ukraine, and this is what i see with the bolts. a country with a territorial conflict, serious problems, one of the smallest in terms of the territory of european countries, and 48, well, 47 people come there, if you do not take into account the president sanda, foreign leaders, all come, president macron

, federal chancellor scholtz, the president zelensky, the leaders of all the countries of the european union, the leaders of the leaders of all the candidate countries, or the european union, the leaders of norway, switzerland, liechtenstein, in this european economic community are also coming . the president of georgia, the prime minister of armenia is coming. and politically it is called europe and it all happens in a young if the citizens of moldova look at it is clear to them that this is respect for their sovereignty so if you do you think that our country is generally taken seriously in the world? and when you see photos of the palace, this mimi bubbling of the president himself greets the head of the european commission , ursula von der leyen, as if it were happening in versailles, then you are a citizen

of moldova, you understand that the statehood of your country there was a serious attack on the pro-russian forces and they say, oh, we will only need it from when you were with moscow. then our president always went to putin. and now that we are not with moscow , the whole world of our president is talking to all the leaders of all european countries on an equal footing well, it is also very important internally for moldova, because it is obvious that president zelensky arrived as the main figure of this summit next to the president, a new format. what is interesting is that this has never happened before. it was invented by emmanuel macron. what is interesting because it is not just the states that are gathered that are there are members of the european union, not all states are members of the european union, and yet there are very different views of the states , there are those that support ukraine, and there are those such as serbia and hungary that behave absolutely

inadequate, but this is such a check for lice, so to speak, for values, when you are asked, you are still not inviting putin and lukashenko. we ourselves in russia, belarus , will not be there with us or with them, and they all came and the president of serbia and let's say the prime minister of armenia came to my place, it would be great, it also surprised me, in fact, but he made a statement by the way that they are neutral, we said the war is on the side of russia and we are not bought by ukraine, and this is also a step and this by the way, to a certain extent, preparation for the same he said that in russia they know that we are not on their side, and the president of azerbaijan came, what is the term, you cannot call him a model of democracy, but you certainly cannot call the president of turkey either . is an organic part of all of this. well, that is, of course, there are different levels of democracy, different levels of political processes , but here you know the question, tell me about sovereignty.

do you respect sovereignty and independence ? different people have the same position. do they all equally dislike what is happening to russia? lukashenka is liked by everyone else. we understand that the countries of central asia do not like it. they have never supported it either. they are simply not part of the european world, but when we hear from the president kazakhstan, i’m sorry, you have nuclear weapons for two, and i’m sorry . we don’t want to join your union state, we understand why it sounds because kazakhstan will not support russia’s aggression anyway, they may not say it, but they can’t to like because for them, again, this is not even a question of democracy. this is a question of souvenirs and material integrity. if you want to respect this territory of values , you go to moldova, if you don't want to, you stay and say that you are with putin and it turns out that such countries in

there is no because no country has appeared that would say that we will not come . we have a good relationship with volodymyr volodymyrovych. you insulted him and did not come and were not invited. that is why i will not come. i could have said the same thing. although everyone came because everyone because the question of one's own sovereignty is important to everyone, then, you know, opportunities for platforms open up, when president aliyev, prime minister koshenian talks with the western leaders of the settlement of karabakh , they look to themselves as serious european politicians who create the future, and they do not look you know that this is blackmail. who else is twisting someone's hand in our real international dialogue, we consult and we talk, we turn to our european partners , how do they see this settlement, this is not politics what happens when putin arranges these internecine conflicts, and i will also talk about nagorno-karabakh. i would like to allow

zelensky to talk about his main messages at this meeting, after all, he went to create this coalition of fighter jets and the coalition of petrovsky fighters because russia began to intensify air attacks did he succeed in ukraine, because after the joint statements and the signing of any memoranda, he was not there. since we talked about the fact that there were very different states, well, in any case , zelenskyi could talk to those leaders for whom the creation of the petre coalition is an important, important task. i am sure that such a number of leaders who give the opportunity to talk about it with different people are clear that these are steps because the fighter jets talked about the coalition and before the summit in the young coalition of loops, they said during the summit that moldova alone every such meeting is on a personal level. considering how rapidly and mobile the situation is developing, this is an important thing . in any case, it is obvious that the issue of security

in ukraine has become an issue of general security in europe. if you do not see this, the russian political the well is only a problem of the russian political leadership. i believe that the president of ukraine did everything absolutely correctly when he used the opportunities of this european political community to present our position, our needs in defense and in the offensive, this is also obvious , which is interesting. about whether the armed forces of ukraine can help to liberate transnistria and he didn't really want to voice any specifics, but journalists asked it so often that he had to. he said that there has not yet been an official request from moldova for this, if there is, only then ukraine can consider this issue ap vitalyu is it beneficial for us at the moment, how would russia react, it cannot be beneficial for us or not because it is a question of international law, the territory the self-proclamation of the transnistrian moldavian republic is

the territory of the republic of moldova and there are no conditions . is it profitable for us to help moldova? it would be possible if moldova considered the possibility of restoring its territorial integrity from a military point of view, the position of the leadership moldova is no no no not only the position of the president himself, but also the position of all her predecessors, this is the peaceful solution of the transnistrian problem, this is a completely different story than the history of the dpr of the lpr, i also say others from the point of view of how russia behaved. and i mean from the point of view of not the position authorities and coexistence residents of transnistria have as you know moldovan ukrainian romanian russian passports if ukraine really wants to help the republic of moldova without any problems it could cancel

the ukrainian citizenship of the head of the transnistrian moldavian republic vadym krasnosky. he is a citizen of ukraine, and by the way, in this moldavian ancestor, the leadership of the transnistrian moldavian republic has many people with ukrainian passports and they do not have any other citizenship. they are not citizens of the russian federation. i would say they are citizens of ukraine itself, and if we believe that this is a separatist entity what we need to do is to deprive them of the citizenship of ukraine, this is what the president of ukraine could do without any introduction of really foreign territory for the second time, the words of the president of ukraine about the fact that this format does not work now look absolutely logical. this format is 5 + 2 because the russian federation is not a legitimate participant of this format, it is not interested in solving the issue of the dniester, but it is clear what the solution as it will look like in the political plane can be considered only after the end of hostilities on the territory of ukraine, when we understand how viable this territory is in general without russian support. but in

order to understand this, it is necessary that these hostilities are really over. when it will be, we don't know, it could be this year, next year, in principle , we are just on the threshold of a multi-year conflict between russia and ukraine, and at this time of decomposition , it can hardly be resolved, i just don't understand, they activated this topic. let's go from the court they will help liberate transnistria who is it, what is it simple to do, it is cut off from russia, it does not have common borders with the russian federation there are few russian troops, it seems that a couple of battalions can be deployed in transnistria as well it will end, but it's not that simple, first of all, you have to realize that there is a population that has lived for three decades in the russian information bubble, and secondly, the question always arises: what should the political integration of the region look like ? imagine that tomorrow the question of the reunification of the territory took place and how will

the residents of transnistria vote in the presidential parliamentary elections in the republic of moldova , what forces do they support, we know which ones we know which ones and it may happen that as a result of the reunification of transnistria with moldova moldova is a pro-russian country. i'm not sure that anyone is interested in this. at least i would be interested if the president was elected by a female president for a second term and that after that the unification of the territory could take place so that donbass cannot reach us. there is also a great danger of people with pro-russian sentiments being there for a long time, this is a different story on the territory of donbas, military operations are taking place again, the territories there may be a transition period until the holding of local elections , general national elections, these people will participate and why does anyone have doubts that

pro-russian forces as a result of the restoration of the territorial integrity of ukraine will have a significant influence in our political life, it will be so if we want the unification of the territory , we have to pay for it by the fact that we again receive forces in our political life which will pull us back and they will enjoy the strong support of the population , and not only of the occupied territories, but of those territories that will have a common regional life with these occupied territories, i.e. today, the occupied regions of donbass can actually become a political center for those territories that were not occupied , and by 2022, donetsk can become a new important center for the return of ukraine to the state it was in before 2014, and ukrainian populist politicians will do everything possible to please this population. in order to preserve that ukraine which gives the opportunity to steal, lie and put forward an absolutely unreal faction like the opposition bloc, or

whatever they are called in their lifetime, this is a question of the political will of the authorities if we have an official the russian church is prohibited pro-russian propaganda if we break off diplomatic relations with moscow if we don't have business from russia it will be banned until the moment, let's say, the restoration of relations with the russian federation, none of this can happen, we must take into account the lessons of georgia because it is necessary to clearly understand that in the predicament in which ukraine will find itself after the war to restore its economic influence over russia if there are not all these fuses, it will simply be elementary even with the help of some mediators for some horns and hoofs, as they like to say, and the russian church in ukraine will be an important civilizational center for the restoration of russian influence. practically

in most of the territory of ukraine, right now . as you can see, in the western regions of ukraine, the ukrainian orthodox church of the russian orthodox church ceases to function from the point of view of the logic of local organizations, even transcarpathia the regional council has already made a similar decision , so yes, except for the other regional councils, and in the east and south such decisions are not made, leaving it to the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate the possibility of restoring one's influence, which means that this is moscow's civilizational influence in the post-war period, this is a great problem, this is the problem of the civilizational division of the country, and again, everything depends on the awareness of ukrainian statesmen that a military solution does not promise a civilizational victory, they go to the lavra, cry and fight, they continue it believers of this moscow patriarchate did everything when countries like russia lost wars but won peace thanks to the fact that their civilizing influence was much more

serious than the capabilities of their former colonies and it seems that everyone has already freed themselves from it and the dominants still remain what you hate because it is inside you well, that's why i say business church political connections diplomatic relations you simply know russia very easily during the war to fight with russian culture, and after the war to negotiate with russian business. i think russian business is much more dangerous than er and standing dostoevsky chekhov chekovsky because they just wrote books or created music er and they already died. and these are all living oligarchs with living money that can be used to corrupt anyone. well, i am not saying that chinese business is next in line for moscow, and i think that it has much more opportunities to corrupt the ukrainian elite and business. i am from moscow, and china will come after it.

certainly moscow, by the way about china, they seriously took up the topic of the russian-ukrainian war and now they are going again . i still don't understand whether it's another mission or a trip, but they will try to solve something again, the envoy from this dingpin may send another delegation to europe regarding the war in ukraine. he just arrived. he just arrived. he seemed to have already said everything . he made statements. why did the panel come up with the idea of ​​china again? it is very simple. china needs to quarrel with the united states and the european union , since this is a tour. lycogenes did not give signs. from the point of view of execution this place will be made another attempt the chinese they will know they like to hit one point until they hammer it and they will send delegation after delegation to propose initiative after initiative march until they understand that they have succeeded and they will not succeed because it

is not peace they need, they need discord in the civilized world and these are completely different goals than uh peace because they are like that again when they talked about the indonesian plan, we always talk about the fact that under peace and in china , and you perceive the situation as status quo, it is not by chance that it heals, he said that it is necessary to stop supplying weapons to ukraine, and what is the supply of weapons to stop, does it mean the status quo, if not can come but can to somehow defend their positions and ukul russia can defend its position then let them agree on the line of contact creates a debilitated zone there and de facto we agree with the fact that the territory captured by russia is russia well that's all go so what am i how am i amused that there is nothing sensational here no i think that when these peace initiatives started, i told beijing all the time that we should not expect some kind of political miracle from them, that they have absolutely their own interests in the peace of real peace in ukraine. they are not interested, we do not expect miracles, but i thought that they will go to negotiate and conduct negotiations when they have some new

arguments in the form of trump cards and go and beat, as you say, against the wall in the same place. well, they also have arguments. they appeared, it's money the arguments are the same that the russians always had, why did the russians constantly try to sell one, and they understood why they were doing it, then they succeeded because they convinced that they had a good investment project, cheap gas here , this second delegation means that they have was found some idea of ​​money that they can claim labor to claim in europe there one belt one road something else some other project with big money here you know if you still have strategic autonomy and stop supplying weapons to ukraine we can invest here is such and such money here to and fro because it will be safe europe will be safe and yes europe is dangerous we

can't invest money you want the verdict to be safe well corruption exists in europe well it doesn't have to be even corruption it can be a large-scale investment project well, i mean, if we are talking about the fact, they still exist, they can enter into such agreements . moreover, it will not look real if that is what you are doing. that the chinese underestimate the dangers of the situation. now, no european politician can say. you know, let's let's spit on ukraine because now you can build a gas pipeline like this here and there all the more, we have already done it, you understand, we already have the experience of communicating with moscow, we have already built all the lawns, we have already agreed to all the conditions chancellor merkel went to see president biden, they persuaded him not to introduce sanctions against the nord stream, two have already done everything, the results are completely opposite expectations, you can’t do the same stupidity all the time, you can’t step on the same rake, even when they are already drawn in

chinese and not in russian colors no, it won't pass now, but they believe that money can buy loyalty this is absolutely normal for communists by the way, because they believe it is lenin's postulate that a capitalist he himself will sell the rope on which you will hang him, this is a well-known fact, but the world has changed since then, you understand, since the time of the ice age, and values ​​are of great importance, because these are all electoral societies, at the time when lenin began his political activity, in one way or another, it was about the world is quite authoritarian and oligarchic where big business ruled politics and not the other way around and now the world another world is much more connected with elections with a free press with people's views so frankly spitting in people's eyes is dangerous and like her. maybe someone would like to, but it is simply dangerous. and when this happens, we see again that it then begins to be re-evaluated

. the experience of relations with the russian federation is very painful for europe, because it is flying out , it received gas values ​​at such a level , that is, the idea of ​​a cheap gas turned out to be absolutely unpromising, that's the same fact . well, first of all, we don't need to take an active position . i think that simply because of the war, i don't think that we can fight. that we turned out to be strong , after all, it won't happen. gasogen is a guarantee. in the absence of war, what is the matter now, everything with the northern streams has slowed down, the question is how much we talked about it, and as a result, it is simply true if the northern stream will be completed, so i don’t think that the chinese will achieve anything, but they will try to is the essence of chinese policy in general, i would said to civilization, one must strive, luck smiles only to the diligent, you understand that there are different types of politics, there is a type of russian politics, this is the grindstone of the furnace, it must be laid down and it must be. these are

petrodollars, this is a clear sign, it must be it's all going to happen like this and you have to or don't get up from the stove at all, it's better to ride on this stove and ride and lie on pillows and that's all this, that's politics in russian and therefore you can't understand why something is necessary to do this is how they react to political life. and there is a chinese policy , it is confucian, it says that you must make an effort in any case, show that you are trying. by the way, it is also a problem that they all have to show everyone that they are trying because it is impossible to come to sit and say comrade the head of china of the people's republic no one agrees with this. have you tried the test - try again. but maybe it still works. write a plan. there should be points that you offer them to work like this , drive like this, everyone has the same whole departments of the central committee of the communist party. they make it all up because it is there must be a job, if you don't work, you can work in russia in the administration

of president putin, and in our central committee only diligent people work hard workers. so , let's go back to the issue of nagorno-karabakh. you just noted what the president of azerbaijan said and armenia during the meeting in moldova and directly i wonder if one of the main problems is the position of the local population, then what are they talking about, they can talk about a peace agreement between themselves, that is, about respect for each other's sovereign territories, which is also always a problem in the caucasus and their peace agreement should mean the recognition of each other's territorial integrity, this should be put an end to the territorial corridors from them and through azerbaijan to them , but with the recognition of what cannot be extraterritorial route through the territory of armenia that it can be a road but controlled by armenia, the situation with nagorno

-karabakh is also a question of the status of the corridor between armenia and nagorno-karabakh but at the same time, is it absolutely obvious that nagorno-karabakh has a different status than no food there is cover - this is the territory of azerbaijan, what for food - this is on the territory of the republic of armenia, and this is a whole series of disagreements, because when you say armenians, we want a territorial corridor on the territory of azerbaijan, but the master does not want a territorial corridor through the territory of armenia, the azerbaijanis are starting to ask. and what to do? you want an extraterritorial corridor through our territory to our territory, but you say that it cannot be territorially , as well as a territorial corridor through your territory to our territory. the peace agreement between armenia and azerbaijan should include a package agreement between azerbaijan and the local population of karabakh as they will

exist as part of azerbaijan together with this the local population of nagorno-karabakh does not recognize the very fact that they exist as part of azerbaijan. this is a long process , and perhaps the first step to this process is the mutual recognition of territorial integrity by both countries, with the fact that azerbaijan should hold negotiations with nagorno-karabakh and understand in what status and under what conditions guarantees that armenians can live there because it is a big problem . i honestly do not see the prerequisites for preserving the armenian presence in nagorno-karabakh, if we take into account the hatred that exists between rybachen and by the armenian people, it is possible. and denis, one of the big important steps to soften the situation is the reduction of this hatred on both sides . well, it is possible. a step or steps, where is the reduction of this hatred? this is marinova, but again, who will be the guarantor? i believe that the russian peacekeepers should be withdrawn from here but they must be replaced by peacekeepers of those countries who will inspire confidence in the armenian

population, perhaps french troops, perhaps neutral troops and neutral countries, india , well, that is, it is necessary to think about it all. this is only the beginning of the journey, but the fact that, in principle , the president aliyev, the prime minister is not a violation. was not represented at the inauguration of the president of turkey, the president of turkey also invited the prime minister of armenia at one time, it seems to me that she attended the inauguration of president evdogan during the time of serzhasov syana, the minister of foreign affairs, he was there, well, this is the highest level the presence of president petro petrosyan and he remembers when he was at the funeral of the president of turkey in a cramped hall, but it was

in the 90s . well, you have to understand it like this. vitaly . i know we are a little upset because once upon a time he still looked more pro-western such a politician and president, although maybe it was just a company. i think that in any case erdoğan is a person who will understand that you cannot allow russia too much he also understands this. he is a global politician . but to be honest, i think that now the president will have so many problems, because if we do not even imagine the economic situation in turkey , the election is difficult, and it has not improved, it will worsen because there is no trust in his economic policy, what will happen ? no one knows what the president did to dogan with the economy. he has done it so many times. i would say that he did not live up to expectations because he did something completely counterintuitive. we can

end up with turkey in recent turbulence. we can get a turkey that will be preparing all this time for the end of the era of recept and because the fact that almost half of the voters voted against him is already a serious blow to his real power, even the turkish elites will understand that this is almost the end of what he managed to defend his power and not in the best of health such and such and such so that i do not think that the ukrainian war is of great importance someone is now leading the historical situation of stability in turkey is generally important for the situation of stability in to the whole region, as we have already said that turkey is sending troops to kosovo, it is a powerful country for the balkans, for ours, for the black sea region, but one way or another it is clear that the president of evdogad will now be very different , we just have to hope that his victory will not lead to such a serious aggravation of the economic and political situation in the country, on the contrary, it will provide opportunities for some

stabilization and for and for democratization. yes, i will thank you anzhelika anzhelika kozolenko and now we are ending our conversation and you can watch now on our channel the issue of news which is represented by iryna koval iryna congratulations, please say good evening congratulations in the next 30 minutes only about the most important events of this week do not miss whether the terror of ukrainian cities will continue and what can change the picture of the war. when should shelters be opened and whether ukrainians receive compensation and assistance for houses destroyed by russian shelling and about this and many other important news