[000:00:00;00] er, i was groped there, and we talked about the eurofighters, the appeals to other manufacturers of western armored vehicles can be like that, you know, it’s not that there ’s a political promise that we’ll figure it out in nato, and some such military-technical things are hardly available even to the rank-and-file or to the nato countries thank you very much thank you very much ivan krychevskyi come back to us , a military expert was in touch with us more often defect express and now we are moving, strangely enough, to our neighbor poland oleg saakan political scientist platform manager single coordination center so, look at today's day, it's just like that in serbia and people went out in poland , in short eastern europe and the balkans somehow remind their governments that there is a society

. thank you very much, mr. oleg, for visiting us . thank you. have you found time on sunday and what is happening in poland so that you can say how serious is this coming out of people to the streets and these protests against the right -wing justice party, well look at once i will point out in the margin from and congratulate you that i am not an expert on internal polish politics therefore, it is difficult for me to say in all shades on the tips of my fingers how someone who deals with poland professionally could do everything, but obviously there are several things, the first poland is actually entering the election period , that is, the electoral mood. rallies and e-e steps, let's say, measures to activate one's voter and there will be more and more a-a it is symptomatic and very nice that the issue of ukraine in this case is not divisive, but

on the contrary both camps declare support of ukraine, and steps are being taken to support ukraine. that is, we are not threatened by this situation now, but by playing the ukrainian card in the negative, on the contrary, there will be a certain competition in who is stronger in blaming what we could have helped more. and now they help less, more acts are less active on the one hand, on the other hand, the situation is ripe with the fact that the ruling political force has entered into such a sharp conservative, let's say, ideology, if in the last elections they went with centrist conservative slogans, then during this time already there was also the topic of abortions, there were already topics of judicial constitutional reform and many other things that actually moved them further into this spectrum and therefore freed a niche for those who were centrist-right and today are not ready to support it and want to compete from behind, now more leftists are left-centrists, the opposition

that is why we can see how this marker is ideological here , it also moves a little and that is why they are now probing the possibility of including those voters who temporarily dropped out of the political process , in the end, so far i do not see anything in this critical this is an absolutely normal democratic process and we see competition between the government and the opposition, so in ukraine, which is at war, of course . for us, it looks like yesterday was like that. - the ukrainian war and we are preparing for this, there will also be a certain wave of activation of such grassroots democratic processes and political struggle, mr. oleg, then you are leading me to such thoughts , let's say more politically philosophical look, because those countries that started very quickly and the movement towards europe, maybe they accelerated the time because hungary, which, for example, was in the 91st in

the second third. it was just that they were more european than the danes than the dutch than the french - well, i'm not talking about the french and the belgians, and then they slowed down, remembering their own, that no, we hungarians, we have a good forint, we have our own history there, and in the same way, the poles would have run very fast and for many years ran across everyone. we have zlotys, we have our own waits for ukraine one day. when it becomes a full member of the euro community, it will be 2 years or 5 years and then they will say where is our lard and where is our moonshine, this is our national and in europe no, listen,

lard will be banned in europe because it is pure how well, the one that pollutes the blood vessels in a person, they will tell us that it is not possible. no way. sorry, this is not professional. so i just sit and think. okay, today we want to go to europe. we will go to europe. some time will pass . we will say stop. this is also possible. if it can be said that the general feature of the promotion to europe is that there will always be a period of time when people remember the national well, you and i will now generally go into the theory of revolution and counter-revolution, because always revolutionary events cause a wave of recoil, and joining the eu was not revolutionary for these countries. and now the question is about ukraine, are we exactly the same how are they? we are entering the eu on this wave . i already have glasses. first of all, this process

has dragged on in our country. not for the first time, not with tourist eyes on the eu, but from the inside, the majority of hungarian poles did not have such an opportunity. moreover, the eu was also on the rise at the time and, in principle, it was a pan-european , pan-eastern european trend, and europe was gaining economic momentum until the 2008 crisis , which in principle overthrew these topics in many ways, what we have today with all the systemic crises within the eu is partially or to some extent the consequences of the crisis of the 8th year, when europe was divided into creditors and those who are credited, and this stratification between and the north of europe became even stronger, the integration processes began to accelerate within the eu itself, the construction of this over the brussels government, that is, now the situation is a little different, so my answer will be ambiguous

, since the process of slowing down such ordinary euros about european sentiments is a little more consciously economic policy , a balanced policy of national memory but at the same time we will not have such a serious reversal when the stop engine room is full back, as it was, for example, in hungary or in we are entering poland more gently and we are already entering with certain broken , untrue, romanticized expectations regarding the eu , the war here acts as a buffer or a retarding factor, no matter how ironic it sounds in this situation, oleg, look, i'll just say for the audience that so that they don't think that we are lying here, this is a live broadcast , this is live, this is what is happening now in warsaw, as far as i can see from the architecture. in the very center, we saw former prime minister donald tusk, we saw when

president oleh valensa, this is the biggest central square, the square of warsaw, and people protesting against the conservatism of today's polish government, we in ukraine love it, it helps us a lot, that's right , mr. oleg absolutely said that there is multi-party support here, i would even say all-party support for ukraine, whatever which polish party supports the ukrainians so that nothing is in danger for us, but the poles do not want conservatism, that is, now the pendulum has swung in the other direction, which means that they ran, ran, overtook everyone, attracting themselves to europe then they slowed down, then they scratched and sweated, they said stop, stop, are we europeans after all, or are we just some pro-russian territory and they are now doing what we see , let's say, well, at least let's stop slowing down on our way to europeanness, but i have

another question, let's move from the west to the east to russia, you and i know each other personally, we often talk. i see that you are a person who looks very meticulously around ukraine, but we can say something by such very few pointers so far, when he is hiding there, he tells the whole the wars are not achieved, then some beauty starts an election campaign, goes to the far east, gathers people, i explain my father's position , monolithicity, you know when we all the time dreamed of a split in the elite, we see it now, the chechens are running into something, beauty, beauty , chechens, mr. defense there, these here, do you hear that crackling sound with my ears. is it just me? my ears are like that. they detect ultrasound for normal people. it’s nothing else. please, it

’s not crackling. it’s really crackling there . well, it’s very loud. because somewhere it is cracking and somewhere the load-bearing structures are just sawing, dusting friendship on the one hand prigozhyn on the other kadyrov and sawing and sawing somewhere there is a mixture of other zyugana rubbers, well, that is , uh, really, uh, in russia , three crises are superimposed, all of them each in its own way, it makes its sounds alone - it is a rat, uh, transit of power . everyone understands very well that putin is not eternal, and the transit of alya will no longer be the heir. putin is no longer in that form, the consensus has been lost around this and, accordingly, already today

the battle for that begins and who will be next in general and how will he be determined and that is why private armies are being started private bot farms are being started russian special services are starting to pull in different directions different groups that is, there is such a struggle of spiders banks a second crisis is superimposed on it this is a crisis of the russian regime because the struggle instead of putin, it takes place in conditions when this place actually disappears, that is, the very institutional and regulatory structures, written and unwritten , they dissolve, the old rules no longer work, the old consensus is already breaking down they could imagine the use of the fsb there to squeeze assets from each other, and at the same time, putin cannot remain silent, well, there was no such thing, or that kadyrov could speak against prigozhyn prigozhyn against the ministry of defense of the ministry of defense and again no one puts anyone mishustin is going to the place or there is going to china already on duty and everyone just got the gate water water water water because they can't

understand is this an attack by putin or not? the third crisis, the crisis of statehood, because no one understands, and what will happen next, russia will break the russian empire in the 18th and 19th centuries, collect land with a-a boyars, tsar batyushkoy, with scraps, with all this, under the blows of this war, where it is mounted, it pours down, that is, like a prison of peoples, it ends and then question and what to do with the shell of the russian federation it was supposedly an application for what russia could be, but now there is no longer either an ideological or a visionary product , no one gives it, neither artists nor writers nor politicians nor journalists nor futurists of anyone and russia is rushing to the reefs and no one understands how it will change. russia has conditionally lost the russian-ukrainian war and what is further, the chasm and these three crises

resonate with each other, even one of them would be enough for the russian state. this was a challenge on the verge of existence, and the three of them resonate with each other, that's why it crackles so much, and that's why it's not ultrasound , and you're not the only one who hears it, mr. oleg, but that's what putin is silent about. i said a long time ago that he's a coward, not because i love him or not i love and because i just remember this course and the situation in the caucasus when the school is in beslan and the situation in moscow when this theater is crowded and in short all the moments of crisis putin was silent, he is absolutely unable to say anything when there is a crisis around and he doesn't want there is a beautiful ukrainian saying don't tell me bad, that is, i don't want it i can hear that even now he is silent or talks about such small things, some such not serious, not nationwide, not

calculated over how many 11 time zones there are , i understand that he has nothing to say, i understand all this, but i have the impression that there are people around people imagine this, and the people and the elites say well, tell me something. and when you are silent, the question will come up if you ask , how are the elites and societies living now? years that and what you have to listen to upstairs, you don’t have to figure it out on the spot and they got used to it in 20 years, they say so, say something, boy, well, some of them , you understand, as long as he is silent, they can draw for themselves, maybe trump will come to power , maybe something will fall in europe vests france had elections now, maybe july, they are inventing for themselves why it is possible to hold on and what might be the light at the end of the tunnel and this is what they are now using

, in fact, that is why putin always fell into this super uh, gaining a little time because he could afford it, but the trouble is that now he can't afford it because the level of anxiety in russian society is skyrocketing, sociologists record this, social networks record the unwillingness to watch news on federal channels, and all these scabies the nightingales dropped out of the top ten a long, long time ago, for more than six months, people want to watch conventional malakhs , fortune-tellers, singers, and various actors. they are not interested in all this at all, because they understand that it is a total lie and it does not give an answer to the extant question, but even that's not the main thing, the main thing is that putin broke down, his model was always about raising the stakes and it's always about taking things from the russian-ukrainian intervention full-scale, everything didn't go according to plan, and now

he's a hostage of his model of success vinnichu knows nothing else except bluffing, trading in fear and raising the stakes, and it always succeeded. this was his formula for success, and no one else had such a low pain threshold in society and the elites. what could he say? yes, stop, we will stretch a little more. they will be the first to click. the first to turn and here he leaned on the ukrainian society, which has bitten into the affairs of the ukrainian military and political leadership and on europe , which is already changing diapers for the fifth time, but in kyiv they say stop quietly if we don't go anywhere here all the more so, and it turns out that now he cannot raise rates, his society is already hurting him at the level at which he will raise rates now than in ukraine, and ukraine is not broken and he is actually in a situation where he cannot even move back because then he will be eaten because then he is not an alpha male, weakness - this is the only thing that the authorities in russia do not forgive, and he cannot move forward because every step is due

to the dismantling of russia, in fact, this helium is scattered so much on his clay feet that he simply loses parts of himself every step and the situation forces me. please excuse me. agent, political scientist, head of the platform, the only coordination center , we just have to move on, and i have more advertising oleg thank you. and now the advertising is as long as 2 minutes, now the final of the champions league on megogo man city is the most powerful team in europe, but in istanbul inters plays like the last in life, watch the super final of the season on june 10 at 10:00 p.m. exclusively on megogo with skin-friendly pantestyn free 10% in

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federation against ukraine, and once again good health my name is mykola veresen . we will talk mainly about the balkans before the break until 16:03. we will talk. demonstrations in serbia, we will not talk about serbia, but we will talk with a specialist, a person who knows the balkans well, this is oleksandr levchenko, a diplomat of the croatian ambassador to bosnia and herzegovina from the eleventh to the 17th years. thank you for saving our time, mr. oleksandr. what is happening in your opinion, in serbia i am just for the audience, the reason why people came out on the maidan and on the street is that there were

mass shootings when children in schools twice in a row brought weapons and killed their classmates, one schoolchild, and so on and so forth similar that is, it is not going out on the street with some political goal or something formally, but in fact we are asking mr. oleksandr because i have the impression that because of such really tragic things , half of serbia does not go out on the street to criticize a teacher, that is, the president, it is something else. second, third, fourth, this crisis with kosovo, what can we say about it, mr. oleksandr, you have a word, please , they coincide with the topic that in serbia , they believe that violence is propagated

, that is why such murders took place in one of the of the central schools of the city of belograd, a 13-year-old schoolboy came to school with a weapon and beat nine of his schoolmates . and there were dozens injured. why was it so until the end? and it is unclear how motivated or motivated it was, etc. anger, well, the weapon is owned by the father, it is seen that he took it from the apartment yes, in principle, the motive is that the position believes that this is the propaganda of violence that exists in the state itself , including on television, it actually provoked such actions because of security in serbia, it seems that the hm slogan has been adopted

um, complicity to all the relatives of those who died, and on the other hand, here are the accusations of this mass murderer that they just decided to put on um, the current government and the president , well, actually speaking, well, the opposition is not the answer, i understand. and here you have noticed a few things correctly hmmm, the position finally wants once and for a long time it didn't work out for this situation, the president is better, he has been in power for a long time, meanwhile, we have not won in every election, the opposition was somehow disunited, now there is some unity, there are those who do not agree with the official policy biography is it a crime here? kosovo is the topic. well, not at all, not at all before this speech. no, just the second - the high was actually almost on the same day to the next - it's in one town, mmm, it's already

a person, about 20 years old, opened fire already with a gun and killed several people including the policeman in the motives, which are also completely incomprehensible well, that is why it is said that certain do we know what this violence that exploded on the streets of schools in serbia is the result of the policy pursued by the government that is why, mr. oleksandr, but then then the question is, well, the government didn't say take your weapons , just leave, the government said we are strong, we are strong, we will win, great serbia, if the father's aggression in words, she encouraged the youth to believe all the aggression and somehow use this aggressiveness in their actions, which you just

told us about, that's right, i i sort of understood. apparently yes. well, although some of us can certainly consider this a tragic incident that hasn’t happened here for many years, also something similar that didn’t even happen close. this is a big tragedy for belgrade, for serbia, but in the meantime, well someone should be responsible and in demonstration they believe that the highest political leadership should still be responsible sociologically p oleksandr excuse me sociologically if it is possible to talk about it we can, for example, now single out in serbia, for example, a younger generation and whose face we see now we are showing these shots of the capital of serbia which advocates for europe, more about the european , i understand that they all sympathize with russia in one way or another, but more about the european and such an older generation, which, as i already said, is for a great

serbia for what they like there, let's say to milosh, do they claim the neighboring territories or can we not? is it all diluted and it is not possible to say that such and such a section of the population is for such and such against such and such for russia and such for europe. did i somehow remind myself of inventing it, please , mr. oleksandr, maybe some part of the youth is somewhere a little more m-m er-e they are oriented towards the positions that came out in the meantime um of course the government itself has its supporters among the youth er-e maybe you are right that the older generation is somewhat possible in the percentage cut maybe somewhere else they are more inclined to this ideology which sloboda milošić also sold this ideology that he knows how you called great serbia. now the term great serbia is not used, and it is a great power. of course, if someone

says that, then it receives an assessment immediately from europe to the usa and so on, that's why even these people fenists don't talk about it in the subtext. maybe they act and think about it, but to openly proclaim it like it used to be in milosevic's time is now dangerous in the context of the blocking of their activities by europeans , americans, and so on, so it's really turbulent in belgorod. it's been a long time there were accumulated problems in the contradictions of the existing government , well, meanwhile, they were reminded that after all, if there really is such a rejection of the government, win the elections, and so far in them . unfortunately

, it was not possible to win the elections, now these street protests can shake the situation for that to go to early elections. maybe they will have a chance to win, so to speak, we'll see, but for now , the studio is not talking about whether to announce early elections, and now you can't bypass the situation by fighting around inside kosovo, in principle, you see a way out of the situation, and i'm just asking you, not the first, and i think not the last.

90 there are 5%, they are serbs who do not want to obey the official line of kosovo, but kosovo, on the contrary, says that you must obey and obey our orders from the central government . and what will you do ? three and a half percent of the population elect mayors, and 97% do not allow these mayors to work, and even if the elections were held here too , we cannot ignore 90 and seven percent , no matter how we feel about serbia and its sympathy for russia, but what to do no one knows, oleksandr, maybe you can tell us something . well, it’s good that you contacted the former deputy ambassador in serbia and a person who studied at belgorod university . i don’t know who you talked to from the experts.

noticed that, unfortunately, this situation is predicted to worsen when three percent take part. in the elections, it is clear that the legitimacy of these mayors is not. well, she, well, under a question mark, and these mayors means that the kosmos police decided to put them in workplaces, because the majority do not accept them, she said well, listen to this, we do not recognize such mayors . well, how to recognize them, as 34% voted for them, that's why the predicted exacerbation this time, this time this exacerbation. he was seriously criticized by the united states of america and the european commission, countries such as france, germany, etc., who warned that it is not necessary to bring these khmer people into official offices, so to speak, with the help of the police , because they will not be admitted. that