[000:00:00;00] i would be able to clearly explain my external political line to you, thanks to a serious vision of how he, uh, ivanny, he and the administration will determine the external political course, uh, such questions arose, and, look, there are certain facts that define test relations with authoritarianism in neighboring countries with russia , china, first of all, it is a desire to strengthen its survival as there is a rather unstable authoritarian regime within the countries, that is, it is done at the expense of russia, if you remember rapprochement with russia it had not only certain economic moments, but also the most important political one, because russia is a member of the soviet union, an authoritarian country with a similar regime, which is already the first in power, and also a country that influences different inter-governmental organizations such as the osce and a number of second that is, for kazakhstan it is very important for the regime in kazakhstan

, each of them was and remains to have these ties in order to jointly survive the opposition to the pressure of the western countries now when russia we see that kazakhstan is trying to replace this role partially with china, but at the same time, it keeps these ties with russia at a fairly close level , because i will remind you once again that i spoke about this more than once in january of last year, it was russia that helped the president tokaeva to keep power, she sent her army and helped him stabilize the situation inside the country now , eh, kazakhstan, don't watch it, oblenergo's statement from the president .

it helps russia partially bypasses sanctions, that is, it is in its own way, putin is repaid for ato support, which was the mother's back, eh , at the same time, we should not forget that kazakhstan does not aspire to the position currently occupied by belarus, eh, the lukashenko regime, that is, the strong isolation for kazakhstan is not beneficial, firstly because we sell a lot of serials in western countries and secondly because the money that is laundered by countries and because of corruption they are stored, they are not, not, not in russia, not in china it is all of them are in other countries, and i include the western ones, so it is very important from this point of view that the regime of islanding is not isolated . and in this small, let’s say, such a narrow corridor of kazakhstan, the smoke is pouring out. look, you yourself said the authoritarian regime. when we watch, we are from kiev, we are now in lviv, our television company we all the time see that the beginning is always better than the continuation when you

came to uzbekistan a new president, it was obvious that it is like this and a thaw well, how about democratization or whatever you call it when such a person came to the same place, some such uh elements of the best of the world appeared now. it all went back to normal, like under nazarbayev, that is, there are no changes , that is, everything is prohibited, or some elements of democracy appeared when the authorities were really in power they put their ears out and listen to what the people are saying, what the opposition is saying if it is there , what the press is writing, and so on, such as what is happening in kazakhstan from the point of view of the democratization zone, or is this, on the contrary, again the preservation of such old, already familiar for us all for you for us when we look from kiev eh to the city of nursultan even though we have already got confused with you even more on rassultan or in

the opera it was called well tem ne menes planeta в ответ ваш ответ мой вопрос смотрите what happened after 2014 года eh -he reform and he-he parliament rada the verkhovna rada in ukraine was strengthened what happened in kazakhstan last year during the suppression of riots only it was necessary to refresh the image that is they gathered to seriously carry out democratic reforms that is why we are all reforms assissionnye in the following government of the second legislative bodies, they imposed a cosmetic character , that is, in fact, somewhere, the structure of the proposed a-a was supplemented with certain empty words, but the structure created by zarabayev is a semi-presidential system with incredible powers, and they all remain now in the hands of tokaev naturally, the first few months

had to be somehow demonstrated and imitated the appearance of some kind of democratic reforms . the large-scale invasion of ukraine has gone away from kazakhstan, everything has come back to normal , the only difference now from, let's say, the personalistic regime of zarabayev is that there are no all-large, uh, large presences in the economy. in the near future, or maybe you are the last one from the land of your presidency, you will dedicate it to the fact that these boundaries of political power and the presence of a large number coincide, that is, that serious the words of the political regime, which example did you have in 2014 in kazakhstan, it did not happen, well, look, when you say that a lot

of kazakhstan sells, it receives money, money in accidents, somewhere in europe, not in china and not in russia, that is, the only way to push in on the side of democracy, if the europeans start saying something to kazakh millionaires , billionaires, the authorities, etc. understanding that both russia and china well, how can we say, they are tough negotiators and now the transition to china from the kerels is not a big win for the cossacks, because it is very difficult to talk with the chinese, that is , they negotiate, the chinese will always promote their policy for them. there are no allies this is known to everyone, that is, there is an understanding that something is needed. there may be something else, or it’s just

something that suits them. how many are there? the authorities there, this is what suits them, so the rapprochement with the western stratagems is here, the process that is taking place in moldova many years ago began in ukraine, and certain contacts at the national level are needed in order to reform the entire political system and make the legislative base better an open er external investment a-a to provide er competition court in order for the investments to be er protected, that is , we all this too creates big reverent pains for the autocrats of central asia, therefore naturally er if russia weakens against the background of the wars it has waged and is losing in ukraine, then china in this regard easily becomes the first object to which the first country they turn to, which they turn to in order to create everything or to make up for the

deficit of the external the foreign country covers the foreign and ensures their security, they do not think from the point of view of the development of the country's economy of certain progress here, the first question is the question of personal power and opportunities due to the power and dominance in the politics of the country to dominate the economy, to get rich, that is, this model was established by nazarbayev, you yourself know very well, for example, yanukovych , how does it work, and you also have similar periods in history, when the system in the u.s. left the stronger side of the autocracy, and what are the negative consequences this is why the last question is sorry. you're sorry again. well, it's important, and i don't know how it is now, but once upon a time there was a tv channel, khabar, in kazakhstan, i know if it's in ukrainian

. it's a bribe. i'm a bribe, i'm not a bribe, i'm talking about the national news about the war in ukraine. this is my last question, just a minute and a half , tell me, when you turn on the tv, it's just usually some kind of major growth program, and in the evening, it says that the good-hearted russian troops are going to bakhmut . evil ukrainians or the government of brave ukrainians are repulsed and killed by the heroic russian russian troops , please, first, look in kazakhstan , there is no independent television, there is no freedom of speech independent press. independent, that is, independent channels are carried here, in principle, the second uh, network broadcasting in any cheapest package, you get all russian channels, so the propaganda does not come from kazakh tv channels, it comes from russian channels that

operate in the territory of kazakhstan in cooperation with the government of kazakhstan, that is урт eurasia е-е and other russia 24 that is, they are all available to a wide audience, kazakhstani channels very carefully present this information, they certainly do not е-е убиваются пены like this all the russian collegiums do, but they do not say so, not about the western a-a current no, no, no, no, no, no , no , no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. eyes are changing, er, russia, the russian army, putin 's regime, of course, they are not available to a wide audience. thank you very much, er, dimash olzhanov in kazakhstan, a political scientist was

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with our stopfake partners in peace , a house with children, a bazaar, and a wasteland without children, june 4 is the day of commemoration of the children who died as a result of the armed aggression of the russian federation against ukraine 17 remains on the air, this is the time we will devote to the economy of ukraine boris kushnirovka, an economist, we will talk to us about the economy, because there is people who are very dissatisfied with the rise in prices. and i have not found a case in the history of mankind when prices would stop during a war or, well, during

a real war. i remember that i once read all three volumes. it seems to me that these are three volumes of correspondence between stalin, churchill and roosevelt, and in the letter of 43 it seems to me that in the year roosevelt wrote to stalin that we started, we in america started to feel the war because we are now forced to regulate the sale, well, that is , the card system for chocolate and gasoline . there are also cases when there is a war somewhere during the war in which country, and in another country, there is such a very difficult situation when you cannot buy as much chocolate as you want or fill your tank with as much gasoline as you want, but at that time, i think in the soviet union, even before the war , there were no private cars at all, but we have what

i don't know, i don't remember, but we definitely have borys kushniruk, an economist, mr. struggle. good health. i hope to see you and my best regards. thank you for finding the time on sunday. so, theoretically, we can imagine that the prices in ukraine will not be we can grow during the war this is to imagine because there are some people who say that because sales abroad have decreased, well, because of logistical problems, because of this, all we know about the black sea and so on means that ukrainians should stay more, and as a loan, it should be cheaper, it is possible during the war in ukraine, agricultural products will become cheaper, for example, in the summer , agricultural products can really become cheaper, and this is normal, and we see this every year, even during the war, as for the eggs

and some vegetables and fruits, they will be it is cheaper here and it is absolutely normal, but you need to understand that the expenses have not gone anywhere and the expenses of enterprises or private individuals on cultivation have not decreased but increased and, unfortunately, will continue to increase accordingly, and if you do not want to make money from this and not work like crazy then they are forced to raise the price because , unfortunately, the war is a time when, as a rule, prices do not decrease, they rise even when selling mr. boris to no one is still a very important issue. i hope our people will understand it viewers. i just don't watch as closely as you do, but i watch from time to time, so the interventions were 200-300 million, and today it passed 400 million in order to jump inflation

, well, to restrain the ratio of the hryvnia to the dollar. and then the question arises, will it continue to be so there will always be such huge interventions. and will the people of ukraine have enough money to stabilize the currency exchange rates in ukraine ? first of all, let's formulate the question more clearly, it's not for me. carried out by the national bank for a-a preservation of the stability of the national currency, what do we have eh and in the best times the trade balance was eh-e negative, i.e. more imports are bought than sold for export of goods during the war we have in general unfortunately a very sad situation when our imports are double the exports accordingly there is no other option during the war and

how is the only thing that the national bank did at the beginning of the events in the 22nd year they kept a fixed exchange rate they dragged in order to raise it and it was mistakenly an action but in in principle, the very fact of the so-called currency anchor, when they tied the hryvnia to the dollar exchange rate. it was the right step, bearing in mind that all the difference that is missing on the market will be covered by intervention at a fixed exchange rate, this just ensures and the stability of the national currency and inflation, but a stopgap, because imagine if the e-e exchange rate started to jump in accordance with the fact that there is not enough currency, in this case , the situation would be guaranteed that the integration was much higher, therefore, yes, but the main question

is there enough money, or what do you understand? what i understand is 50% of the maximum, that is 30%, the americans understand the world bank , none, the national fund. is there an opportunity for borrowing or for grants in order to throw away these 400 million? more often, less often, but to be this money so that there is stability - stability this is an understanding and whether there is money in ukraine or will there be a potential where to take it a from alcoholic reserves at a sufficiently accepted level that allows the bank to maintain the exchange rate for the stability of the national currency at the expense of what in the first in turn, the account of the aid provided to us by the united states and the european union, in addition, the program of the international monetary fund is open, and there are uh, borrowed, uh, grant aid , for example, the americans already give us money on grant aid, and for example,

the european union is mostly on credit although there is a loan with a 30-year repayment period and with a 10-year deferred payment . thus, uh, well, for now, we can say that these are free funds for us, and they are enough to maintain stability er, and gold-bearing reserves and the stability of the national currency exchange rate, you can be calm about this, mr. boris, one more question . and if someone calculated how much ukraine received not only in money, but also in weapons and so on and so on and so on, we can imagine the help if you translate it all into the money of the americans, the british, and so on, e.e., the loan is non-returnable, so-and-so, we know that lend-lease does not work precisely because the americans are humanists and say we can open a forest, but we

have to pay for it, so they are just weapons are given more often than knives, but they are worth something to someone somewhere. well, because someone knows the figure for the taxpayer of the united states, well, we say that the aid was 60, there are 4 billion, and european aid is monetary, and tanks are also worth something. well, it is not free, please, mr. boris, there are such thoughts about this, oh, and the numbers, so honestly , i did not prepare for such a question, so i can’t say the number right now, but this amount exceeds 100 billion dollars, which we received after the beginning of the aggression. and this one the aid plans that it will go to ukraine other matters what i am a supporter of a-a for its period in western ukraine to maintain sanctions and even strengthen selfies in relation to russia in order for it

to pay for everything, including this aid, because why taxpayers americans, americans or europeans should finance the crimes committed by russia, and russia should pay for everything in this case , including those funds and the type of weapons and the type of guarantees and all the others that are now being given to us after the war. we are just have you mentioned this, have you mentioned this, do you already imagine what the west will do, what europe, canada, japan will do, not only the west, that is, the east in ukraine or in ukraine , the officials imagine, at least in outline , what kind of roads it will be, where, someone is already preparing to lay them

well, how do i draw a road on the map ? times, both in my own country and in ukraine, about this, that if we did not sell pure grain, but some semi-finished products, then it would be twice as much money to make here somewhere. these things are happening in the cabinet of ministers of the president's administration. isn't it time for him to go ? war well, i think that the question here is not uh, is it about honor or not on time , the question is about professional uh, the level of professional knowledge, understanding is so low that uh, well, if i'm not mistaken, i also remember this story in a conversation with you, but it's already repeated mentioned that when the prime minister announced the 10-point post-war plans and it lacks two key challenges that are becoming for

ukraine, this is the demographic and revival of the trial industry, then for me it is an indicator that neither these people nor intellectuals have immoral capacity to do this, and in the west there is no doubt. there are certain thoughts on this matter. but again, well, they started helping us in the military sphere only when we proved that we ourselves are capable of helping ourselves the same, and i will do the same with the economy if we are unable. anya to formulate what and how we need to do what kind, it is simply a rain of money on its own. it did not fall on ukraine so that someone could do it on another one by stealing what funds on another way to universities , research science, textbooks, that's all that is for us, no way france america won't do it at all. we won't be able to look in that direction . we won't be able to give paper. finland will somehow give it, but this is what ukraine has to do

on its own, and it's a big part of the economy, and it's not a small one, but if we don't do it, we 'll remember kennedy, i said, who said after how gagarin flew into space, that we don't need to save money somewhere, but to go to school so that the next generation can show in the space industry what the russians or what the soviets are showing now and then they now have musk and other people although they were not born in america who are pushing space forward, if ukraine does not provide its students with proper education today, then there will be nothing tomorrow, well, you know, this is the same problem , you can talk about it for a long time and separately, it simply consists of many components, and the development of local self-government should be a system that

allows a-a to ensure that all these children, regardless of where they study, whether in a big city or a small one, that they received an acceptable level of knowledge, that is, there should be a system that would ensure this if we are talking about science. and it also depends , in fact, on education, if you have an education is very low, and it is obvious that the field is difficult to develop because there is no permanent source of human resources for those who would form opportunities for this science. but again , science and the development of science completely depends on what kind of economy you have if the economy it does not develop, it degrades if it is more and more raw materials, then in this case the need is simply scientific development, there is no science , as a rule, it reflects the demand of the real sector for scientific knowledge, if this demand is not from the real sector, then in this case science cannot develop physically, i just know academics

what kind of work do they do in order to somehow provide for their collectives , they did all their development, they arranged it there in china well, yes, they don’t pay here, that’s clear, and yes, yes or no, what is the question, isn’t it? simply because china plate china pays because this knowledge is needed there because it is reflected in the real sector if you have a real sector there is no need for it because you destroy it and our prime minister shows that a and fuck a we don't need a trial industry and they sincerely believe so, in fact, they sincerely believe . i see all these ministers who believe that why do we need to try, we can even develop this scientific field of ours without a real sector, well, or we should develop just raw materials and become there

the resource center of europe was announced by mr. shmagal that we know how to become the resource center of europe yes, he absolutely sincerely believes that this is his level of knowledge and understanding, accordingly , you simply have no need for science, well , science cannot exist in the air, it is a reflection of real demand society on knowledge, if they are not then implemented in practice, they cannot exist even if you train class specialists, you teach them at school and then higher, then what will they do or bargain for the reconciliation of their own troops. therefore, it is absolutely obvious that if we do not develop our economy, we do not develop the real sector , if we develop industry , it is not complicated, there is no demand for scientific developments, so they will not collapse by themselves , science will only degrade, i don't know, i will end our conversation quite pessimistically but true yes, just knowing, i know about it, whose is it already

, or am i already ? i'm running out of time, i have a minute left to speak. i'll just tell a small story. big challenges there in the 1930s and 1940s, a country like argentina said that we will feed everyone. it is really an agricultural country. it was then ranked ninth in the world in terms of wealth. yes , in terms of gdp, and they said to themselves, "fuck it, let's develop science" the military sector, er, industry, we have meat , we have grain, we have sorghum, we have t c5, all this, now it is the 59th country in the world and about once every 5-10 years. they have crazy financial raging financial crisis after devaluing all the money of all citizens

argentina and then they again lead to borrow money in the international series. in the fund and again after 50 years, it all repeats itself, it will also repeat itself if the news on the express tv channel is repeated for hours, and irina koval is also repeated from time to time, which is especially nice to me, mrs. iryna, i wish you a word, thank you today for a rather interesting broadcast eh. and i will literally tell you in a moment about the latest events that are happening in ukraine and in the world