[000:00:00;00] were, but kosoo is categorically against it, and i think that, apart from everything else , they are putting pressure on the koso a, and they will also pressure brussels to join this union, it's just like that , you know, the european integration chip, and it really gives benefit, well, at least that's what the albanian leadership says, it's the leadership to facilitate the movement of goods , finances, people, services across the border and this gives alleged economic benefits to every albanian there , north macedonian or the same serb , at least that's what they say well, kosovo is not they want because of political reasons, and montenegro previously did not want it because of political reasons. thank you very much, ladies

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the main political events of the world vitaly parnikov is a prophet for us, mr. vitaly, i suggest starting with the indonesian peace plan for ukraine, and in particular, the president , or rather, the minister of defense of indonesia, mr. subian, proposed his peace plan to end the war in ukraine, namely the freezing of hostilities by indonesian peacekeepers on our territory and a referendum. and he voiced this plan at the dialogue-shangrilaw international summit in singapore. he believes that to end the war between ukraine and russia , it is necessary to immediately cease fire for his in words, this will prevent a worsening of the situation, an increase in the number of victims of new destruction, and it is also noted that he believes that peacekeepers will come in order to fix the territories captured by russia, will they come in as support for russia or what? no, in order to fix the order in these territories, which are common from his point of view between russia and ukraine, that is, not in order to play along, and in the fact that it

conquered these territories, that is, temporarily occupied territories, on this situation from the russian point of view, so that we do not discuss the ukrainian that from the ukrainian point of view, all this is clear. and we talked about it. the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine answered this question quite clearly that there are no common territories between russia and ukraine, that this is an invention of indonesia, that this is our territory , they are occupied by russia in order to peace negotiations, russia must recognize the fact that it must withdraw from these territories, well, that's all. it is logical that if you leave russia in these territories, it will allow them to strengthen, it will allow them to prepare for a new war and for the defense of these territories in the event of an attack by the ukrainian army, but let's look at this situation not from the point of view of dasha, but from the point of view of moscow, here is the territory of the autonomous republic of crimea, sevastopol, donetsk, luhansk

, kherson and zaporizhia regions, they are included in the russian federation. i apologize as an independent state because the decisions were before their adoption in various forms or forms of decisions of the crimean parliament of the crimean parliament declared crimea an independent state and the sevastopol city council declared sevastopol of an independent state and after that the prices of independent states announced that they were joining russia in a referendum donetsk and luhansk people's republics so-called also declared themselves independent states first and then held a referendum on joining russia in the kherson zaporizhzhia region it was different, they declared themselves independent states according to they held a referendum on joining russia at the same time they did not even change us they will say it is an independent state kherson

region is a comedy of russian constitutional law, this is the acceptance of new states into the russian federation. and from the point of view of russian legislation, any calls to change the territorial structure of russia and its territorial integrity are punishable by law, this is a criminal offense, there is something like 10 or 15 years of imprisonment for the calls themselves, not for the fact that you want to lead international troops or some foreign troops to this territory. and for the fact that you simply start discussing it, we will start discussing it with you on the air of russian television. let's we will introduce peacekeeping forces on the territory of crimea, because this is a common territory between us and ukraine, so if you say this, in principle , comrades of the investigative committee of the russian federation may already be waiting for you there, therefore, in this situation , we should hope that some

real action is possible it is related to the territorial integrity of russia from the side of moscow, it is inappropriate and then the question arises and what is the purpose of the indonesian peace plan? it coincides with what they say in china and what they say in brazil why they are based on the fact that the ukrainian army will simply not be physically capable of liberating all these territories, and the russian army physically cannot be capable of conquering ukraine in its entirety, so the compromise must be that russia agrees that it cannot conquer ukraine in its entirety, and ukraine surrenders the territory must deal with the fact that it cannot win back its territories . this is the moment we start the dialogue, it is real . such a thing is an absolutely real moment related

to the future dialogue between moscow and kiev from the point of view of china and countries related to it because all these initiatives are the same , they are from different sides, as if they come from different directions, but by and large, this is a country that has good relations with china and china itself, and i don't even think that they wanted if some referendums are real and some kind of withdrawal or introduction of troops , they want to record what you also said, a ceasefire on the contact line so that ukraine admits that it cannot fight any further and russia admits that they cannot fight any more, but the time is right for that definitely not yet mr. vitaly came with the same plans to which every time we say no, it does not suit us , no

, we do not want it, for what purpose is this certain pressure? will it become obvious to everyone in brazil that the war led to the exhaustion of both sides, they could say well, we offered it to you and now you can agree to our idea, of course if you did it two or three years ago you would have lost so many lives you would have themselves were not destroyed by them not only us, but also the russians can say this, but we offered you a good idea of ​​a truce, you didn't want it. well, you have what you have. well, the west is fueling the war, which cannot end anyway from the point of view of all these people. victory for neither side is in principle, the idea of ​​president lola, which was expressed more clearly, ukraine has the full right to defend these territories and win them back , the west has the full right to supply weapons to ukraine , but the countries that say you will not win the war with russia also have the right to search for ways to peace because they see the situation

much more realistic than criticism than the ukrainians, they simply understand that ukraine will not win and already today ukrainians are being told , in principle, do you want to live, live, or do you all want to turn out, then the land ? you choose life or death, this is their approach, of course, but why do they need them in order to justify their own ties with russia, because if they say all this and russia says yes, we really want negotiations, simply recognition of territorial realities, and ukraine says which negotiations for victory, we need russia to leave our land, then they don't say well, you see, in principle, russia would very much like to end the war, it is a peace-loving state , it says all the time we have simple conditions for negotiations related to our security , territorial realities, demilitarization , neutral status is all such bullshit and we, the countries of the global cock, say well, if

you don't like these territorial realities, well , at least hold a referendum there, make sure that the population there wants to be in russia, what is a referendum when russian troops are stationed there of course and if these machine guns are added to the russian machine guns , they will give it some more indonesian or brazilian ones. i will tell you a story about an indonesian so that the political position of donets is clear. dominions proclaimed their independence under the name of the people's democratic republic and downright said that it had nothing

to do with statehood, that it was part of timur, which is always is, was and will be an indonesian issue between the two parts of this island, i am very simple, the russian part has a muslim population living on the portuguese, catholics lived, well, this is the heritage of different states, because the portuguese part converted to catholicism, on the indonesian part there were dutch people who were more calm towards of local religious preferences , well, that's how it happened, or did they usually rely on their pro-indonesian forces in east timor, which announced the accession, and the guerrilla struggle began, which continued for several decades, they imprisoned this leader of this eastern government for many years, he then became the first president of the republics and then

the head of indonesia, general uh, rusk there, i always confuse rusk and is the juice factory mine in charge, a big historical problem, i confuse the first two presidents of indonesia well, i think it's so sweet . when the dictatorship was overthrown, indonesia began to say that it needed loans from the international monetary fund, and it also needed what all the western countries needed , i said well, of course, we really want to help you recover economically after the dictatorship, after what, but please hold a referendum in the east and mathematicians, they held a referendum there and

actually controlled 98% of the voting participants in favor of independence, and they expected a completely different result after that the indonesian army staged a referendum in the capital east timor, deli, a real bloody massacre, a huge number of people were killed there, you know, as a sign of disappointment, this is their historical experience, and i remember what year it was, but it was still the president of indonesia, sokal, in the eastern part of indonesia, a province, it was the 90s, as far as i remember that the president was just approaching some kind of zenith of his power, and i met in stockholm with

the then minister of foreign affairs of the migration government, i can tell him that he is now the president, he can win the nobel prize peace and i met him. i think i was the first journalist from this post-soviet space who talked to him, he read some kind of lecture. about the future of our independence , i began to ask him how he imagines the possibility of this independence at all , when it is a completely indonesian province, there are troops there, this the partisan movement has actually been overcome and he tells me. and tell me , dear mr. journalist, why are you so interested in this? i have never heard that you have colleagues there, even from europe, that you were so interested you can with whom and it was a period when the president of crimea was mishkov and russia was actually preparing for the secession of crimea and i told him

i think that ukraine will end up in the same situation as you i think that we will have a separation from russia i think that we will have such conflicts and i want to understand that because russia is a state in our region of the same level as it is to yours, if russia can occupy some of our territory, will we ever be able to return them back, and i want to understand what you hope for and he to me he says, you know, i am starting from a fairly simple form. imagine that this sea would have declared its independence in 1675, after we were under the portuguese ruler, half of our island is indonesia, the next island is indonesia, we are completely surrounded by indonesia, please tell me which one the state prevailed in our politics , internal and external, whatever we wanted, we would actually become

the state most loyal to indonesia to indonesia, because we needed the economic assistance of its goods, its infrastructure, its airmen, its everything and to the bottom, we had the best and most famous ally in our face, what is president suhar doing, he is annexing our territory, he is provoking a partisan movement, strengthening separatist movements on other islands of indonesia, where people are starting to say, if timur is fighting for independence , why can't we, we are also other people, we also deserve independence creates separatist conflicts and spoils relations with european countries. you say that portugal . they say that we did not give deniza the right to annex our territory. it was our colony. we gave we did not give them their independence to denmark, this is absolutely the case, and it is the way all other european countries that are members of the european union are, and this is idiocy, the very decision about

annexation of this country is idiocy. and i, he says, proceed from the simple fact that if people make one idiotic decision, they must will necessarily make all the following idiotic decisions and thus this regime will collapse. and when it collapses and wants to return to the civilized world , the first thing that the civilized world will say to it is that you could not restore international law and we we will get independence, not even because we want it, but because it will simply be a demand of the civilized world for indonesia, ask the people in the eastern part of this row how they want to live in the future and he told me all this, i can't say that i fully believed it although he did it happened, but it happened. and when i was watching jozera amushorty fly in, it was there. there was information there, such uh, sensations, how he meets this president, uh, uh, these seas are already the first with oksana gushmal, how they are there together, there they

greet people i remembered this conversation and thought nozhezer or shorts was right, he basically saw what happened and for me , by the way, this is a recipe for what will happen in russian-ukrainian relations. so when someone says that uh, i also say that the guarantee of our victory is a military solution. i absolutely i believe in this because i don't see any possibilities for a political solution to the problems from russia, but i simply perceive these people as idiots, political idiots, because i believe that everything they did regarding ukraine was a mistake, we were in this same situation, what a sea russia was not a more influential country of the region, not only for the post-soviet space, for europe, flows of gas, oil, with special relations with the states, with germany, with france, ukraine has always been valued

by russia, even when we were on the path of uprisings , it still turned out that we needed russian gas, as it was in the fourth year that we need national unity as it was in the 14th year, if russia were the guarantor of this national unity, we saw that the desire to maintain business ties with moscow remained even after the 14th year, do you remember how strong it was until 2013 in for the majority of the ukrainian elite, ukraine was practically doomed to remain at the price of moscow, even if we became a member of the european union, we would be the same member of the european union that i apologize to hungary with a president, maybe not yanukovych, but with a government that would block all decisions that are unfavorable to moscow as it does budapest, with the largest number of deputies in the european parliament, and not to meet with the number that the hungarians have

, it was 300,000 times more profitable for the russians to send us belarusians to europe to lobby for their interests, instead, they turned belarus into a concentration camp headed by this jerk, but with ukraine they started fighting as a result, ukraine completely left their sphere of influence when they saw that something else was not completely complete they started the war of the 22nd year so that even those who after the 14th year , i still continued to look at the creams so that rockets or rocket debris or something else would start falling on their heads, so that their houses would start to be broken into. russian soldier, do you remember which one of the deputies of the rzhava region seems to be who i have always been a pro-russian politician who was killed by russian soldiers just oh and i believe that the regime that makes such political mistakes will necessarily make all the following ones because on the one hand they are calculating all this but

they are calculating it completely incorrectly you know this is madness not for their own benefit but that's right madness i he once spoke to russian oligarchs about the madness of russian politicians and oligarchs, he told me that he thinks that he can always be more free for his own benefit and not for yours, and this is true. he looks like such a complete idiot who zhirynovsky, you are lying in a billion of money. he doesn’t have it with us anymore, so it’s so conventionally speaking, but now this madness is not for their own benefit , they are undermining their own positions and look at what they were undermining. it’s not just that they had such a situation with the war in ukraine, sanctions e- e economic decline, they still have battles on their own territory. who could have imagined this even during the chechen wars, when there was a seizure of one unfortunate , single maternity hospital in budonovka or some theater center on dubrovka in

moscow, these were houses, separate houses that could to capture a separate unit of terrorists, houses, not a city, a corner near basayev, he did not capture budonnosti, he captured children and women in the maternity hospital, but he had no opportunities to capture bodonevskaya, they simply blackmailed the lives of uh, uh, civilian residents, if it was not a special operation at all, you understand that exactly nordoz, no one took over moscow, they took over the inner theater center, now it's fighting in the city, but everyone is talking about it shchebekines that there were fighting in the city a few months ago, i think i imagined because we are talking about the fact that drones are shelling moscow and fall into the cream who could have thought about this on the heads of the russian elite well, they live in groups and this raises the question, they don't know which of these three i don't know, they just can't make the right decision

, that's why i think that they continue step by step they will make wrong decisions and scollop like a cracker the story about the map that you told surprised me so much, i was struck again by your brilliant analytical profanity about crimea . annex again, what are we going to do, anzhelika, that's what you said, uh, such a problem, uh, is quite seriously connected with the fact that i have to tell you that this was not a forecast, this was not the moment of kuchma's election as the president of ukraine, if there had not been a forecast, it was a special operation which was obvious it's just now given that this forecast is related to 2014 and in crimea in 1993 and 1994 there was a pro-russian president there, the head

of the presidential administration is a citizen of russia, i forgive this head of the administration for the names of 1988 he was still a young man and knew what to do what kind of person was there, the government was headed by the hunchback in the russian federation, there were ministers, citizens of the russian federation, what was i supposed to think, there was moscow time, president mishkov changed the time from kyiv time to moscow time, and it was already from this point of view before his accession to ukraine russia was one step away. i am sure that if leonid kuchma and leonid kravchuk won the presidential elections in ukraine in 1994 , they separated crimea. and that's how they came up with the idea, so it wasn't putin, but people who are more careful, why do they need this unfortunate one crimea to spoil relations with ukraine when they, with the help of their agents who were close to kuchma, who besieged him like insects and

the head of the presidential administration, a russian agent and other people, that they could simply annex ukraine and there was a struggle surrounded by students just when they won in in this environment, there are people like volodymyr horbulin, like yevhen marchuk, when leonid kushchev himself was simply fascinated by the amount of money that can be mastered, being the president of ukraine , you can have a son-in-law of a billionaire well, because he is a talented businessman, because you are good president well, i say, why are we talking conditional, it all did not work out for them, but not since 1994, no one could have predicted such a development of events , everyone was absolutely sure that kuchma, on his part, and lukashenko, on his side, would lead ukraine and belarus, they resisted, they won in one day , and this for and that's why the russian special services slowed down the special operation for the annexation of crimea for as long as 20 years, well, it's a very simple story. so it wasn't somehow my

analytical prediction, it was just that real danger and it was already absolutely it is obvious that in the eastern regions of ukraine the majority of the population has pro-russian sentiments and in the southern regions of ukraine the majority of the population has pro-russian sentiments, it was absolutely clear that the majority of residents of the former ukrainian reserve not only do not have a ukrainian national identity but aggressively oppose this identity and all this became evident during the presidential elections in 1994 it was a real national state disaster and because in 1991 these were still soviet people, one could understand why they voted for kravchuk is not for chornovol, but three years of independence have passed and the majority of people have developed an aggressive attitude towards statehood, and the national-democratic forces had to find compromises with people whose main task was the destruction of ukraine . well, it’s good again. now it’s clear to a certain

extent that i didn’t want to i would say that we were lucky with this friend of the president. i never adored leonid kuchma and always believed that he built this oligarchic country. but simply because he was a person who also tried to keep the balance in our country we got our own lukashenka, and then when we got our own lukashenka in the form of yanukovych, we were already ready to fight . the majority of the population still remained on anti-ukrainian positions , but entire generations of people began to grow up. our state had nothing to oppose to people who were born in independent ukraine, because if an openly pro-russian politician came to power in 1994 , the ukrainian state would be destroyed as belarus was destroyed. well, it was now in the form of a union state

and now it is completely calm. we were just thinking from the territory of ukraine . was important for determining our position, and let's talk about the important event of this week volodymyr zelenskyi a was at the summit of the european political community in moldova, this summit was held and here is the first my question is why in moldova, allegedly, it is pandas, there was a signal from 50 european leaders, a signal from russia, 48 did not come, they did not come, dogan still does not understand why the captain of energeti san marino did not come, well, that is all, why moldova, why so, the river says, look, we are not we are afraid we are not afraid and we stand in solidarity with ukraine and this i am watching from moldova we spent in ukraine if there was