tv [untitled] June 4, 2023 11:30pm-12:01am EEST
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[000:00:00;00] ukrainian troops will be there, they will take part in aggression against someone there, the protocol does not matter, and such were the prerequisites. thank you, mr. vitaly, for this excursion. i am sure that it was important for determining our position , and let's talk about the important event of this week. volodymyr zelenskyi a was at the summit of the european political community in moldova, the same took place and here is my first question, why is it from moldova, as if speaking, it is a panda signal from there, there were 50 european leaders, a signal from russia. 9:50 they didn't come they didn't come dogan still don't understand why the captain agents of san marino didn't come well that's all why moldova why so naturally they said look we're not afraid we 're not afraid and we stand in solidarity with ukraine and this i'm watching from moldova we spent
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in ukraine, if there was a possibility of security, but we also understand that russia is destabilizing moldova, and it seems that we are all going there to show how important it is to the youth. the territory of european countries and 48, well, 47 come there, if you do not count the president of the cadet, foreign leaders, all of them come, president macron, the federal office show, this is president zelensky, the leaders of all the countries of the european union, the leaders of the leaders of all the candidate countries for the european union , the leaders of norway, switzerland, liechtenstein in this european economic communities are also coming, the presidents, e.e., the prime minister of georgia, armenia are coming, the president of azerbaijan is coming, the full assembly is coming, do you understand
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what is geographically called and politically, it is called europe, and it all happens in a young country. if the citizens of moldova look at it, it is clear to them that this is respect for their sovereignty. if you think so, our country is generally taken seriously in the world. congratulates the head of the european commission , ursula von der leyen, as if this is happening in versailles, you are a citizen of moldova, you understand that the statehood of your country has taken place, this is a serious blow to the pro-russian forces and they say oh, we will only need it since when we were with moscow. our president used to go to putin. and now, when we are not with moscow , the whole world of our president comes to us . he talks to all the leaders of all european countries on an equal basis . it is important because it is obvious that president zelenskyi was the main figure of this summit next to the president, the new format what
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is interesting is that this has not yet been invented by emmanuel macron, what is interesting because it is not just the states that are part of of the european union, not all states are part of the european union, but there are still very different views of the states, there are those that support ukraine, and there are those like serbia and hungary that behave completely inappropriately, but this is such a test for lice , so to speak, on values when you are asked after all, we don't invite putin and lukashenko, but we ourselves in russia, belarus will not be there with us or with them , the president of serbia and, let's say , the prime minister of armenia have come, i will have a kb, this also surprised me, actually but he and by the way, he made a statement about the fact that they are neutral, we say that the war is on the side of russia and we are not bought by ukraine, and this is also a step, and by the way, to a certain extent, we are preparing for such a thing
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, but before the summit, there was a quote to do this. he said that in the russians know that we are not on their side and the president of azerbaijan arrived in what term cannot be called a model of democracy, but the president of turkey certainly cannot be called either. of course, he is also an organic part of all this. levels of political processes, but here you know the question is more about sovereignty. do you respect sovereignty and independence ? do you think that they can be trampled here as well? it turns out that these 48 different countries have the same position. do they all equally dislike what is happening in russia ? you understand that the countries of central asia do not like it. they have never supported it either, they are simply not part of the european world, but when we hear from the president of kazakhstan that, sorry, you have
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nuclear weapons for two and one, and that, sorry, we don't we want your union state, we understand why it sounds because kazakhstan will not support russia's aggression anyway, they may not say it, but they cannot like it because for them, again, this is not even about democracy, it is about souvenirs and territorial integrity if you want to respect this territory of values you go to moldova if you don't want you stay and say that you are with putin and it turns out that there are no such countries because there was no country that would say that we will not come so we have good relations with by volodymyr volodymyrovych, you insulted him and didn't come and didn't invite him, that's why i won't come. i could have said the same thing. although everyone came because the issue of their own sovereignty is important to everyone, then, you know , opportunities open up for platforms when the president is prime minister. -minister pshenyan is talking to the western leaders of the karabakh settlement, they look to themselves like serious european
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politicians who are creating the future and they don't look like it, and you know it's blackmail. international dialogue, we consult and we talk, we turn to our european partners, how do they see this settlement, this is politics, it is not what happens when putin arranges these conflicts between people, and that too, i will also talk about nagorno-karabakh. i would like to talk about pay zelensky at this meeting and about his main messages, after all, he went to create this coalition of fighter jets and the coalition of petrovsky because russia began to intensify air attacks on ukraine, did he succeed in this , because the statements as such are ultimately joint and he did not sign any memoranda. since we talked about the fact that there were very different states, in any case, zelenskyi could speak with those leaders for whom the creation of the petre coalition is an important
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and important task. i am sure that such a number of leaders who give up the opportunity people to talk about it, it is clear that these are steps because the fighter jets talked about the coalition even before the summit in the young pro-coalition petre, they said during the summit to moldova, each such meeting is on a personal level considering how rapidly and the mobile situation is developing, this is an important thing, in any case, it is obvious that the issue of security in ukraine has become an issue of general security in europe. if you do not see this, it is a russian political problem, only a problem of the russian political leadership. i believe that the president of ukraine did absolutely everything right when he used the opportunities of this european political community for the presentation of our position, our needs in defense and in the offensive, this is also obvious, which is interesting. by the way, what did zelensky ask the journalists after the results of this
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meetings about whether the armed forces of ukraine can help liberate transnistria and he didn't really want to voice any specifics, but journalists asked him so often that he had to. he said that there was no official request from moldova for this yet, if there is, only then ukraine can consider this issue ap vitaly is it beneficial for us at the moment, how would russia react, it cannot be beneficial for us or not because it is a question of international law, the self-proclaimed territory of the transnistrian moldavian republic is the territory of the republic of moldova and no conditions. is it profitable for us to help moldova? it would be possible if moldova considered the possibility of restoring its territorial integrity from a military point of view . of the transnistrian problem this is a completely different story than the history
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of the dnr of the lnr, i am also saying others from the point of view of how russia behaved. how do you know the moldovan ukrainian romanian russian passports, if ukraine really wants to help the republic of moldova without any problems , it could cancel the ukrainian citizenship of vadym krasnosilskyi, the head of the transnistrian moldavian republic, for the beginning. they do not have passports or any other citizenship, they are not citizens of the russian federation, i would say they are citizens themselves of ukraine and if we believe that this is a separatist entity, the first thing we need to do is to deprive them of the citizenship of ukraine.
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this format works, e.e. 5 + 2, because the russian federation is not e.e. a legitimate participant in this format, it is not interested in solving the dniester issue, but it is clear what exactly the solution to this issue will look like in the political plane can be considered only after the end of hostilities on the territory of ukraine, when we understand how viable this territory is without russian support. the next one, in principle, can be us only on the threshold of a multi-year conflict between russia and ukraine, and at this time the conduct is unlikely to be resolved. i simply do not understand that this topic has been activated. transnistria who is it if it is simple to do transnistria is cut off from russia it has no common borders with the russian federation there are few russian troops there
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it seems that you can introduce a couple of battalions and that will be the end of transnistria but it is not that simple first of all it is necessary to realize that there is a population that has lived for three decades in the russian e-e information bubble , secondly, the question always arises : what should the political integration of the region look like ? residents of transnistria in the presidential parliamentary elections in the republic of moldova, what forces do they support, we know which ones, we know which ones, and it may happen that as a result of the reunification of transnistria with moldova, moldova will become a pro-russian country. i am not sure that anyone is interested in this now at least i would be interested if the president was elected by a female president for a second term and that after that
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the unification of the territory could take place so that the donbass could not be there, there are also people with pro-russian sentiments the danger of the judicial side is a different story on the territory of donbas, military operations are taking place again, the territories there may be a transition period before the holding of local elections , general national elections, these people will participate. and why does anyone have doubts that pro-russian forces will have in our political life will have a significant influence, it will be so if we want the unification of the territory , we have to pay for it by the fact that we again receive in our political life forces that will pull us back and they will enjoy the strong support of the population, and not only of the occupied territories , but of those territories that will have a common regional life with these occupied territories, that is , the occupied regions of donbas today can
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actually become a political center for those territories that were not occupied until 2022 donetsk can become a new important center of ukraine's return to the state it was in before 2014, and ukrainian populist politicians will do their best in order to please this population in order to preserve that ukraine which gives the opportunity to steal, lie and nominate absolutely unreal will there be some faction like the opposition bloc or for life what are they called there this is a question of the political will of the authorities if we officially ban the russian church pro-russian propaganda if we have torn diplomatic relations with moscow. if we do not have business from russia
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, it will be banned until, let's say, the restoration of relations with the russian federation. to take place, we must take into account the lessons of georgia , because it is necessary to clearly understand the predicament in which ukraine will find itself after the war, to restore its economic influence over russia. and the russian church in ukraine will be an important center of civilization for the restoration of russian influence. practically in most of ukraine, now. of local organizations, even the transcarpathian regional council has already adopted a similar decision, so yes, except for e-e and other regional councils, and in the east and south, such decisions are not adopted, leaving the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate with the possibility of restoring its influence, which means that it is the influence of moscow on civilization on the post-war period is a great number of problems, these are the problems
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of the civilizational division of the country, and again, everything depends on the awareness of ukrainian statesmen that a military solution does not promise a civilizational victory, they are going to lavras cry and fight, believers of this moscow patriarchate continue to do all this when countries such as russia lost wars but won peace thanks to the fact that their civilizational influence was much more serious than the capabilities of their former colonies, but it seems that everyone has already freed themselves from this. and the dominants are all the only thing that remains is what you hate, because it is inside you. well, that's why i say business , church, political connections, diplomatic relations, you just know russia very easily
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during the war, fight against russian culture, and after the war, negotiate with russian business. i think russian business is much more dangerous than, er, worth dostoevsky , chekhov, chekovsky, because they simply wrote books or created music, er, and they have already died. and these are all living oligarchs with living money that can be used to corrupt someone necessary well, i'm not saying that chinese business is next in line for moscow. i think that it has much more opportunities to corrupt the ukrainian elite and business. seriously, i'm from moscow, and china will definitely come with brains by the way, about china, they seriously took up the topic of the russian-ukrainian war and now they are going again . i don’t know whether it will be another mission or a trip, but they will try to solve something again. the envoy from this dingping can send another delegation to europe regarding the war in ukraine i just arrived a few times, as if i had already said everything, made all the statements, why did the panel come out with a very simple idea of china? china needs
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to quarrel with the united states and the european union , because during this tour there was no sign of disaster in terms of performance this place will be made another attempt the chinese they will know they like to hit one point until they score this goal and they will send delegation after delegation to propose initiative after initiative march until they they will understand that they succeeded and that they will not succeed, because what they need is not peace; they need discord in the civilized world, and these are completely different goals than, er, peace, because they are like that again when we talked about the indonesian plan. we all the time we are talking about the fact that under peace and in china and before it, the situation is perceived as status quo, it is not by chance that he is healing, he said that it is necessary to stop supplying weapons to ukraine, and what is the supply of weapons to stop, it means the status quo if it cannot advance but can somehow defend its positions and ukul russia can defend its position, then let them agree on the line of contact, it creates
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a debilitated zone there and de facto we agree with the fact that the territory captured by russia is russia. well, that's all. go. so, how am i entertaining that there is nothing sensational it seems to me that when these peace initiatives of beijing began , i always said that we should not expect any political miracle from them, that they have absolutely their own interests in the peace of real peace in ukraine. they are not interested, but i thought that they would go to negotiate and hold negotiations when they will have some new antis in the form of going and beating as you say in your head against the wall in the same place, this is money, they are their arguments , the same ones that the russians always had, why did the russians try the same thing all the time the same idea to sell and they understood what it was for it is done, then they succeeded because they convinced that they are a good investment project here, cheap gas, this second delegation
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means that they found some idea of money that they can apply for jobs to apply for in europe, there is one belt, one road , something else, another project with big money you know, if you still have strategic autonomy and stop supplying weapons to ukraine, we can invest money here and there because it will be safe europe will be safe and so europe it's dangerous we can't invest money, you want the lesson to be safe well, corruption exists in europe well, it's not necessarily even corruption, it can be a large-scale investment project well, i mean, if we're talking about the fact, they still exist , they can go for such deals. especially since it won't look like you're really doing it. the chinese underestimate the dangers of the situation. now, no european politician can say. you know, let's spit on ukraine because now you can build a gas pipeline
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like that here and there. more than that they did, you understand, they already have experience communicating with moscow, they have already built all the lawns, they have already agreed to all the conditions , chancellor merkel already went to president biden, they persuaded him not to introduce sanctions against the nord stream, two have already done everything , the results are completely opposite to the expectations , you can’t do the same stupidity all the time you can't step on one of the rakes, even when they are already painted in chinese and not russian colors. no, it won't happen now , but they believe that you can buy loyalty with money. this is absolutely normal for by the way, because they believe in lenin's postulate that the capitalist will sell himself the rope on which you hang him, this is a well-known fact, but simply since that time the world has changed, you understand since the time of leden and values are of great importance because these are all
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electoral societies in the times when lenin began his political activity , one way or another, it was about a rather authoritarian and oligarchic world where big business ruled politics and not vice versa. it is dangerous to spit in people's eyes and like her. maybe someone would like to, but it's just dangerous . and when it happens, we see again that it then begins to be reevaluated from the experience of relations with the russian federation for europe is very painful because it is flying out, it received gas values at this level, that is, the idea of cheap gas turned out to be absolutely hopeless, that's also a fact. well , first of all, we don't need to take an active position. i think that simply because of the war, i don't think that we can fight. that we turned out to be strong. after all, they believed that there would be no war, that the gas generator is a guarantee
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of the absence of war , so what is the matter with the northern streams? that the chinese will achieve what, but they will try, oh, that is the essence of chinese politics in general, i would say that in civilization , you have to try, luck smiles only to the diligent , you understand, there are different types of politics, there is a type of russian politics, it is a grindstone of it it is necessary to lie down. well, these are petrodollars, this is a clear sign , it will definitely happen, yes, yes, because you have to, or at all , do not get up from the stove, it is better to ride on this stove and lie on pillows, and that's all, that's the politics of - in russian and that's why he can't understand why it's necessary because something like that needs to be done, they react like this to political life and there is chinese politics, it's confucian, it says you have to make an effort in any case, show that you're trying by the way, it's also
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a problem that they all must show all i'll tell you what they're trying to do, because you can't come to the chair of the people's republic of china and say, comrade, nobody agrees with this. and you've tried the test - try it again, it might work for you. write a plan, there should be points that you offer them a job. that's how it should be driven. yes, yes, everyone has the same whole departments of the central committee of the communist party, they invent all this because it should be a job, if you don't work , you can work in russia in the administration of president putin, and only diligent people work in our central committee hardworking so, let's go back to the issue of nagorno-karabakh, you just mentioned what the president of azerbaijan and armenia said during the meeting in moldova, and directly i wonder if one of the main problems is the position of the local population, then what are they talking about can talk about a peace agreement
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among themselves, that is, about respect for each other's sovereign territories, which is also always a problem in the caucasus, and their peace agreement should mean the recognition of the theatrical territorial integrity of each other on this should be put an end to territorial corridors from them even from azerbaijan to them and food, but with the recognition that there cannot be an extraterritorial route through the territory of armenia, that it can be a road but controlled by armenia, the situation with nagorno -karabakh is also a question of the status of which corridor between armenia by nagorno-karabakh but at the same time, is it absolutely obvious that the nagorno-karabakh has a different status than that of gynecology because it is not on the slopes - it is a territory in azerbaijan, which for food is on the territory of the republic of armenia and that is the whole a number of disagreements because when the armenians say that we want a territorial corridor through the territory of azerbaijan, but do not want a master arterial corridor through the territory of armenia , the azerbaijanis begin to ask what
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to do? you want an extraterritorial corridor through our territory to our territory, but you say that it cannot be territorial as a territorial corridor on your territory to our territory and how are we different, what is the difference in the approach on the contrary, well, that is, and this is a peace agreement between armenia, azerbaijan has to include package agreements between azerbaijan and the local population of karabakh, how they will exist as part of azerbaijan, along with this, the local population of karabakh does not recognize the very fact that they exist as part of azerbaijan. this is a new process and may be the first step towards this process . mutual recognition of the territorial integrity of both countries with the fact that azerbaijan should hold negotiations with nagorno-karabakh and understand in what status and under what guarantees armenians can live there because it is a big i do not see the problem at all. to be honest, i see the prerequisites for preserving the armenian presence in nagorno-karabakh, if
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we take into account the hatred that exists between the azerbaijani and armenian people , perhaps one of the big and important steps to alleviate the situation is the reduction of this hatred on both sides. the step to reduce this hatred is precisely this myrny. but again, who will be the guarantor? i believe that russian peacekeepers should be removed from here, but they should be replaced by peacekeepers of those countries that will call the trust of the armenian population, french troops, possibly neutral troops and neutral countries, india , well , that is, it is necessary to think about it as a whole . prime minister poshilyan is going to the inauguration of the president of the russian federation, this is also important , such an event has never happened at such a high level. armenia was not
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represented at the inauguration of the president of turkey. the president of turkey also invited the prime minister of ukraine at one time to me. it seems that the inauguration of president evdogan was present during the time of serzhasov syan, the minister of foreign affairs, he was there, well , this is the highest level of presence of president ter petro petrosyan, and he remembers when he was at the funeral of the president of turkey in a cramped hall , but it was the 90s. we have to understand. we have two minutes left about the renaissance, we can't help but ask, after all, he was re -elected, he won the election, i don't know, we're a little upset, because once upon a time, he seemed more pro-western such a politician and president, although it's possible it was just a company. i think that in any case, udagan is a person who will understand that you cannot allow russia to get too much. he also understands this. he is a global politician. but to be honest, i think that now president udagan will have so many problems, because if
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we can't even imagine the economic situation in turkey, a difficult election, and it didn't improve it, it got worse because there is no trust in his economic policy , what will the president in dogan do with the economy, no one knows, he has already done it so many times, i would say well, i did not justify expectations because he did absolutely the opposite of logic, we can get as a result a turkey in the latest turbulence , we can get a turkey that will be preparing all this time for the end of the era of reception and the front because the fact that almost half of the voters voted against him is already a rather serious blow to his e- is in real power, even the turkish elites will understand that this is almost the end, that he managed to defend his power, and not in the best of health, so on, so on,
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so i don't think that for the ukrainian war it is of great importance who is currently leading the historical situation of stability in turkey, it is generally important for the situation of stability in the entire region, as we have already said that turkey is sending troops to kosovo, it is a significant state for the balkans, for ours, for the black sea region, but one way or another it is clear that the president of evdogad will now be it is not easy, and one must simply hope that his victory will not lead to such a serious aggravation of the economic and political situation in the country, but on the contrary will provide opportunities for some stabilization and for and for democratization by the way, because gran should consider now how many people have already died for him yes yes i thank you anzhelika anzhelika kozovalenko
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