[000:00:00;00] the potential of ukraine, such facts, according to volos, are ready to conclude a number of states roman yedolev, international lawyer , associate professor of the department of international law of taras shevchenko kyiv national university, joins us as a figure roman, congratulations good night , good night, and is there even any probability that ukraine can arrange at least some alternative well, at least do you see any vague alternatives from those that are currently being announced regarding our membership, or are there any security guarantees that ukraine can receive in return from the point of view of international assistance that can be provided within the framework of bilateral international agreements may be even more of a priority for ukraine because you and i all know that nato is a defense

alliance, the charter of which provides for the obligation of states to provide assistance. at the same time, this obligation is also written quite clearly and although an attack on one member state is tantamount to aggression against all other member states of this international organization , the obligation is clearly to act in response to declare war there to start an armed there is no conflict with the aggressor state, and therefore, if it is possible to conclude bilateral agreements in ukraine, in which clear mechanisms will be prescribed that will follow the act

of aggression against ukraine, then in this case we can really say that these agreements will ensure the security of ukraine , the question here is what clear mechanisms can be prescribed, we already have a rather bitter experience of the budapest memorandum, which we concluded together with our renunciation of nuclear weapons, and the budapest memorandum did not include such guarantees, where it was clearly stated it is certain that on the first day, war is declared there and against the aggressor state. on the second day, a certain amount of weapons is supplied . on the third day, the next activity is gathered there. i don't know.

the question of political will is to what extent other states are ready to take on such clear obligations that they cannot say that oh, we don't know if this is an armed conflict, oh, we don't know if this is an act of aggression. some polite people, as in 2014, individually said that everything is not so clear, but from a political point of view, of course, nato is more profitable because it has been organizing new mechanisms for more than half a century, they may be better, but there is a risk that they will not be concluded or the guarantees will not be clearly spelled out, so let's talk about another topic on the way

to finding justice . we talk to you all the time about this. everyone who commits terror on ukrainian land, who kills, deports children and adults, will bear responsibility for this. during the evening address, volodymyr zelenskyi and the president thanked everyone in the world who supports ukraine's efforts on the way to justice. each of these bandits will be convicted and i have no doubt that all the necessary legal institutions are working for this result. courts of law and fair verdicts will be evidence that the world will still protect life and civilization and that the time will come when children on earth in

ukraine and everywhere else will be protected from of such evil as russian evil and from such aggressions, sanatoriums call on joe biden to support the creation of a un special tribunal to try putin, a resolution with such an appeal to the us president was presented by two senators from the democratic party, ben cardin, tim kaine, in the document, officials ask the biden administration to vote in international institutions for a tribunal to impeach russian leaders , we will recall that in march, the administration of the us president proposed to create an international internationalized tribunal within the framework of the judicial system of ukraine, but with external support. however, according to the senators, such a tribunal will face the problem of immunity from russian officials. well, we will remind you that the novel is further an international virus. associate professor of the department of international law of the kyiv national university

taras shevchenko is now with us on the air. roman, in your opinion, the un special tribunal is actually well, what does the senators call for , to what extent can it be an effective mechanism in our search for justice for putin 's special tribunal within the framework of the un is of course the best option, the most effective, which really solves the issue of immunities, which solves the issue of universality, that is, that it is supported by the whole world, and of course, it solves many questions about how we can get putin and other people who belong to the highest military and political leadership of the russian federation of the republic of belarus because every member state of the united

nations must cooperate with the un tribunal, that's 193 states, well, minus the russian federation, let's hope that one day it will not be in the un, but 192 states will have obligations before this tribunal and of course this will greatly simplify its activities, but the problem remains the same , the administration of the us president says that a hybrid tribunal can also be effective and they will everything is possible for its creation and for its further work. well, the ukrainian position boils down to the fact that under the constitution of ukraine it is forbidden to create special courts . ukraine says what we need decision not in the name of ukraine, but in the name of the entire world community

, and of course questions of immunity and further reconciliation with the population of the russian federation. we need sentences so that the russians understand how criminal their government was, so that russians and the whole world have no doubt that such atrocities on the territories of ukraine were really committed and that's all an international tribunal within the framework of the united nations can give, this is the best option, the simplest vote on the resolution of the un general assembly, support 140 145 states that usually support ukrainian resolutions at the general assembly and we can all work quite quickly to bring to justice for the crime of aggression recognize

the regime as a criminal terrorist and restore it thus the justice of our entire full-scale invasion rather not our russians er-e you personally believe that such a special court can be created on the basis of the un. well, here ukraine cannot make a mistake, you see, they talked about the fact that such a resolution could be adopted in december 2022. then they talked about march 23 year, as we can see in june 23rd, there is no such resolution. i am sure that is because ukrainian diplomacy feels very well what support we can get during the voting for the general assemblies. if this

question is not brought up, then at the moment there is no such support. it is quite possible that the position of the united states of america is really decisive here, because many countries in the world are guided by the position of the united states, and ukraine has independently announced its support for such a tribunal. of course, the position of the usa is reduced to a hybrid tribunal, but if the senators start declaring that the approach needs to be changed. if we manage to reach ordinary americans and ordinary voters and explain why a tribunal is needed within the framework of the united nations, then we understand that democracy in the usa is in the usa elections and the position

can be changed by the authorities if we do not create such a tribunal within the framework of the united nations, of course it is unfortunate, but we have other options. yes, we have an option to create a special tribunal by a regular international an agreement within the framework of the council of europe or the european union and then gather the states to sign and ratify this agreement. this is a longer path, but it can also be followed. well, you see, we no longer have doubts. because such a special tribunal will be created, it already a huge victory for ukraine, for ukrainian diplomacy and for the office of the president of ukraine and the entire world community, if a hybrid is created , that's one thing, we will bring putin to

justice unequivocally. of international law of the taras shevchenko kyiv national university was with us on the air plans love silence the ministry of defense of ukraine published a video hinting that there will be no announcement of an offensive contract the video featured ukrainian fighters of various specialties and on different areas of the front , all of them with weapons and military equipment in the background and they show one gesture that means quiet ukraine is ready for a counteroffensive about this in an interview with the wall street journal , the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi said that he is not named the start date but said that he believes that the defense forces will be able to liberate the territory captured by russia, the head of state also admitted that the aggressor state has superiority in the air , but ukraine cannot wait for months for it to be provided with everything it needs valentina glynykh political scientist joins our firm valentina, congratulations good night. you see

, by a happy coincidence, in crimea, they were able to see this video about silence, and today , ukrainian hackers hacked the network of tv channels and showed it live. until the russians stopped the broadcast, and this raises the question, this video is more for whom, for the domestic ukrainian consumer, or after all, for the russians, so that they , at least, do not worry about whether the counteroffensive will take place or not. i think that most of them will not will survive this contrast. therefore, they do not have this reason to worry about this, as the president of ukraine and zelensky said to the speakers in moldova. there it is a little in a different context, but in

principle the main idea is the same that if if they want to stay alive, they will find a way, either to surrender or to escape from the battlefield. well, the same thing awaits here on the land of ukraine , that is, to die completely indiscriminately, but they do not live this counter-gasm. therefore, they should not be accepted in this regard, if to answer your question directly. well, it is clear that this is the main recipient, the potential main audience for this role, that is , after all, ukrainian society. well, because there are many such already unhealthy , even neurotic expectations you know, they almost push the defense forces to some actions, there are specially trained people who know very well what is necessary, when it is necessary and how it should be done, and the president of ukraine as the supreme commander, giving this interview, i think that he has the necessary information

about the readiness of the ukrainian armed forces to such a large-scale and important operation, or a set of operations , that's why, well, you have to treat it more calmly, you know, it's not like that, some posters were posted around the city saying that he had come to the circus or something like a super show. no, it's very difficult dangerous well, a complex operation that requires, well, great resources, both human and technical, mental willpower as well. that's why you don't understand when many already expect it from you. it's just like, uh, i don't know, i don't know , somehow, premieres, actually, well it doesn't annoy me personally, that they expect it to be some kind of show. well, what does annoying mean? well, it doesn't annoy me. well, it just sometimes surprises me a little, but to say that it's straight. that's how it annoyed me. well, no, there are different people, i understand why people are even like that

i think you will guess because the majority of ukrainians don't care. and it's normal for all people, yes, in order for the war to end, they understand that the war will end only when we win. but in order for us to win, we need to carry out this successful counteroffensive, that is, in fact, behind these expectations lies the expectation of peace return from the front i don't know the parents sons husbands their wives in the end the opportunity to return to a peaceful life is precisely this, as it were, the expectation of return and the desire of ukrainians to return to a peaceful life, but at the same time it is necessary to understand that those expectations are real only when this counteroffensive will be successful, in order for it to be successful, we ukrainians must be aware that this requires careful planning and a careful strategy, and this is precisely what the higher

military and political leadership of our country is engaged in. that is, we, in this context, again we still trust, we believe the zsu, yes, this is a popular slogan. let's stick to it in the end and not just behave like spectators in the hall. yes, there is a cinema, this is a theater hall. and as co-participants in this and try to help anyone who can in order for this counteroffensive to be as successful as possible, i think no one has any doubt that it will be successful, but if everyone makes his minimal contribution, then he can significantly increase the effectiveness of this counteroffensive in this way, at least reduce it for us the price, because we understand that there will be both material and technical losses anyway, and that the worst human fear is even though zelensky said last year that we cannot afford to liberate cities from ukrainian cities however, in the way that the russians tried to capture them we cannot wipe them off the face of the earth we cannot neglect the civilian population

we cannot simply throw our servicemen to the slaughter like the russians do well and that is why you just have to be aware of the complexity of what it is very difficult work, and the more thoroughly it is carried out, the better the result will be. p. valentina let's talk about another high-profile story of this week, when people died in kyiv from the fragments of a russian rocket, but they also died because they could not to be in a shelter for two months . all teeth in the case on bail. the capital court chose a preventive measure. he didn't have time to open the door to the polyclinic. because when he was going to do it himself , fragments of a russian rocket fell into the yard and he was knocked off his feet

by the shock wave , according to him, about five minutes had passed since the alarm was announced the man admitted his guilt because he did not have time to fulfill his duties, the newspaper writes about this, the newspaper writes about three more suspects, the first deputy head of the desnyan district of kyiv, iryna oleksienko, and the deputy director, doctor vasyl desika , the court sent him to house arrest, and the director of the hospital, oleg shugalevich, to the northern house arrest, they are guilty of their own they do not recognize, let me remind you that the tragedy occurred in kyiv on june 1 as a result of a terrorist attack by russians with ballistic missiles. so, valentin, what lessons do you think we should learn from this history? the main lesson is that negligence is not a lie, so it is very expensive in war conditions for me it is really just you know if someone is therapy that the capital of ukraine like other cities

of ukraine, having been under sub-system shelling by rockets there for more than a year by these martyrs and nevertheless the proper courses the way the work is not established, even so she said, because here in this case it is not only about the presence or absence of a bomb shelter, but the appropriate work of the relevant services has not been established. well, and the relevant officials. well, and it is clear that they always have to bear responsibility, but bear responsibility , again , what kind of responsibility? once again, they found some shooter there , he will be punished, listen to him and he had his own function, if he did not fulfill it, there is a formal reason to bring him to justice, just as

there are no other figures in this story in the war trifles in the war, every trifle can cost the issue of defeat or victory, the same story as the topic of bloggers, whose bloggers were prosecuted by the security service of ukraine , there are also many people for what they were prosecuted for. who stole the position of the ukrainian air defense forces once and they essentially performed the work of adjustments with their posts to help the russians adjust the fire consciously they did it unconsciously they did it but in essence they did the work agents of saboteurs and adjusters, i.e. those categories with whom the security service of ukraine systematically works and bringing them to justice, so i will repeat that each of us citizens of ukraine must realize that now is not the situation when

it is possible to improvise there to engage in some i don't know whether it is praise or not i know there is popularization itself and without giving myself a report, so what can happen to us as a result of this , bloggers instead of likes can get uh, real prisons, well, imprisonment. yes, the system who are these people who are responsible for the work of bomb shelters well, you just need to be more responsible in the performance of your duties , i actually sympathize with this watchman or security guard and the officials of this hospital, what kind of bomb shelter was it, well, it is located, i understand everything perfectly i sympathize, but you have to to understand that today and who sympathizes with the dead well, who sympathizes with the wounded well, that is, someone has to be responsible for that well, i am far from thinking that you know there you need to make some far-reaching

political conclusions and politicize something like some are trying to do it here, there is nothing to talk about, this is not about politicization. i will repeat, uh, since the 14th year, the war with russia has been going on . well, we still do not have bomb shelters, no civil defense training has been conducted, and a full-scale invasion has been going on for more than a year. of these terrorist attacks on civilian objects, it appears that, again , well, in a proper way, unorganized work in those places that could become a refuge for ukrainians in such a situation, well, it cannot remain unnoticed and without consequences, and that is why zelenskyi again, answering the journalists' questions on this matter, he clearly stated that an appropriate investigation will be conducted and that all the guilty parties will be held

accountable for the same thing. treat systematically not only about those who are guilty now. and what we should do so that it does not happen again tomorrow or today, we do not know, yes, that is, maybe now the air will start again anxiety and again our peaceful cities. well, we are peaceful types, because they are not directly in the war zone . well, they will find themselves and become the object of a russian terrorist attack . how prepared are we today and how tragic and terrible is that case, in fact, it is really terrible, just with your nonsense. do you understand it? everything reminds me of the american hollywood movie , er, destination, yes, that is, when death overtook people who supposedly escaped this death. well, today it can’t repeat, well, you understand. if the situation is the same today, only in another place, then seriously, that is, after all, i

have been repeating this phrase of the famous french philosopher foucault very often lately, who said that punishment should have a greater effect on those who have not yet committed a crime than for those who have already committed a crime, there should be a preventive function of this punishment, so i was correct that the next time the director of the hospital will also check whether the bomb shelter is working and the security guard will sit on the chats and be ready to be ready for me open when it is necessary and the mayors of the place believe whether the storage bed works or the bomb shelters do not work in the same way. by the way, after the security service of ukraine detained those bloggers , after that, no one posts videos of the air raids of the air defense work anywhere, everyone understood that it is not a joke. no it is necessary and before that, when it was explained that you can’t do this, everyone can’t sneeze on it, and there was a warning well , but we still have enough internal enemies , valentin, and i think that even

this lull is temporary now we want to turn the attention of our viewers to the map of air alarms that we show in the field window, and several regions of the north are in the danger zone, that's why i hear when you hear the signals of air alarms, go to the shelter, stay there until the strike, these are the kharkiv and sumy regions , please, these are the areas that are especially are exposed to the blows of ballistic weapons of ballistic missiles with which the russian e . the territories of the so-called transnistria are possible only if there is a request from the authorities of moldova, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi stated this at a press conference after the summit of the european political community , according to him, there was no such request, zelensky

also emphasized that ukraine does not claim the territory of the so-called transnistria they should unite with moldova ukraine's victories do not end only on the battlefield one by one under the blue-yellow flag on the sports field ukrainian women choose sports victories we'll be back literally in a few minutes and now transnistria is quite such a bold statement because we, as a country that is currently at war with the russian federation, which has unleashed this war on a full scale, seem to be sending such an optimistic signal that we can spend its resources on another battlefield, but it will obviously not be our war. valentin , tell me the question is not how it actually turned out. he

said that the armed contingent of the russian federation, which is on the territory of the sovereignty of the territory of moldova, is facing a real threat of destruction he will be forced to look for ways to leave the territory in which he is located absolutely as an occupation in essence , well, the contingent was not about what we would conduct there, i do not know any combat operations , moreover, in order to conduct it, we will need some montage well, who wants to give us this mandate rudely, or moldova, well, this is not enough, that is, the un, that is, it will be better , it is possible. there are some other international institutions , that is, it will not look like you just entered the territory of a sovereign state to things, zelensky also clearly said that when he was asked a similar question, he said that this is not the case, that this is the territory of moldova

and that this issue should be decided by ukraine simply. i will tell you more that at one time ukraine played a proactive role in the efforts to resolve this transnistrian conflict between the times of yushchenko, in particular, it was just that it was not possible to do it then. well, who knows . maybe now, after the russian putin is proud to be defeated, it is possible that the negotiation process can be diplomatically diplomatically, the situation will be regulated faster and better in moldova , that is , they will not fall outside the standard. listen , what does standard mean? foreign territory, it is standard no, that is, when they launch missile strikes on cities, it is standard, that is, well, these people started a war , you understand what the matter is, they are the very fact

of starting it. it is not a crime, but how they are waging this war, this is a set of additional crimes, that's why we can't behave like a terrorist, how the russians behave, we will adhere to bringing the cause to justice, valentin, here i fully agree with you on these norms, we have already joined, it is honestly the fault of the clock, we pass the floor now to our colleagues and thank you for the conversation. valentin glynykh, a political scientist, was with us on the air, and finally, we will return to the information that we wanted to inform you that the victories of ukraine do not end only on the battlefield, one by one under the blue and yellow with a flag on the sports ground ukrainian women win world sports victories ukrainian tennis player elina svitolina knocked out the russian woman for the second time in a row and advanced to the quarterfinals of