[000:00:00;00] already emphasized by the spokesman of the ministry of foreign affairs reacted to the proposal of the indonesian peace plan for ukraine and mykhailo podolyak, adviser to the head of the president's office, another proposal for a peaceful settlement , this time from indonesia and again . about the capitulation, oleksandr levchenko , diplomat and extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the republic of croatia 2010-2017 mr. oleksandr, welcomes you four greetings please tell us why a country like indonesia suddenly decided to show a peace-making initiative to propose its own plan and what exactly is their interest here. it is obvious that indonesia wants

to show some initiative after being the head of the g20 countries, and it is obvious that indonesia was prompted to this by crimea through its representation is not in jakarta, i.e. unfortunately, we hear narratives that the kremlin needs now, that the current difficult situation and, in fact, a proposal to freeze the front line, some withdrawal of troops, and so on. this is absolutely pro-russian plan and it's a pity that a country that, well, doesn't even have a very good idea of ​​what's happening on the russian-ukrainian front, therefore , the representatives of the ministry of foreign affairs and the president's office evaluated these statements as such that we

i heard that they were not constructive and called on the ukrainian side if it wants a peaceful settlement of the situation in ukraine to join the peace plan of our president , which consists of 10 points, in order to implement it peacefully as an initiative of ukraine and achieve peace in ukraine according to the norm the principles of international law, and of course this plan provides that all russian troops should not withdraw 15 km, but simply return home where they belong and , strictly speaking, in this way it is possible not to solve all issues with the russian side because ukrainian territory - this is an unacceptable thing, this is an act of greece . and aggression must be responded to by our armed forces, therefore

there is actually no room for peaceful actions, but the peace plan proposed by the president of ukraine it just assumes that russian troops are returning home and we are taking a number of other actions related to environmental safety in order to ensure radiation safety of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant so that it is in a safe condition and that we are ready to help other countries using the food corridor and of course the creation of a security system for the state of ukraine when the russian-ukrainian war is over china and the special representative of china are treating who er made a trip

, in particular er, not only to ukraine, he was er also and is in european capitals with the aim of promoting peace negotiations regarding ukraine, and he said recently that based on the results of this trip, he is planning another peacekeeping mission and because obviously this one-time action was not able to give immediate results and answers interesting for china itself and what does this mean for us? well, we are not naive people and understood that the meetings of the special representative hmm the russian and european partners will not lead to the end of the war and all issues will be resolved. it is clear that the situation is much more complicated, meanwhile, china would like

to join the settlement process, and here , well, no one objects to this. everyone understands that there must be a certain constructivism in the position and he is in the one about which we talk all the time that it is very difficult to talk about a peaceful resolution of the situation without the withdrawal of russian troops from the temporarily occupied ukrainian territories because if they remain on in these territories, this is in fact the preservation of the situation, the preservation of the conflict for many years, and we have already seen it in casey with donbass, which has not resolved anything in the 7-8 years of the existence of international agreements, so let the special representative try again, talk with everyone , come to an agreement and yes in the meantime, we have two positions that are not very comparable with each other, this

is the position of international law that the ukrainian side adheres to - this is that the territorial sovereignty of any member of the united nations must be ensured and the osce, including ukraine, and the second is a violation of this principle by the russian federation and its army, therefore , to call on it to adhere to the statute of international conventions , and china's task would probably be as a permanent member of the security council as a neighboring country of the russian federation, a member country of the nuclear club as a country influential throughout the world in order to ensure peace, order and security in the world in accordance with current international law and not what crimea offers. and this is actually annexation, the capture of foreign territories

, which is not welcomed by the international the community in the studio, oleksandr, and about the united states and its vision of peace in ukraine, to what extent does the position of the white house and the vision of the white house coincide with the plan announced by the president of ukraine ? the plan of the white house regarding the implementation of the resolution of the situation in ukraine is comparable to the ukrainian one , taking into account that washington believes that the norms of national law must be respected and that russian troops must sweep through the territory of ukraine, well, in fact, this is the plan supported by the absolute majority

of countries in the world and members of the security council, such as france and great britain, the united states is not alone here, this position is realistic and corresponds to the norms of modern international law and the system of international relations established after 1945 and, accordingly, the ukrainian peaceful the plan is also based on the norms and principles of international law, so it is in many ways, if not almost all, not in harmony with what was voiced in washington by the representative of the white house, and more precisely the american ambassador in new york says that the norms of international law must be followed and russian troops must leave the temporarily occupied territories , so that zelensky's peace plan is not based on any exclusively national interests of ukraine, it is based

on the principles that have been observed in the world since 1945, only these principles are not observed by the russian federation, therefore it should be urged to understand that by violating international law, it becomes, hmm, not actually a country that interferes with international of development, and i'm not saying that this is a robber country, an aggressor country, a country that carries danger throughout the world, that's why washington emphasizes it, kyiv emphasizes it, the absolute majority of the countries of the international community emphasize it , the studio well, oleksandr thank you for the conversation , oleksandr levchenko, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in the republic

of croatia 2010-2017 was with us on the air we continue the air ukraine will not join nato in the near future there are still differences on this issue, the minister of defense said of great britain, ben wallace, who expressed his desire to become the next secretary general of nato, he emphasized that the alliance and the european union do not want to repeat the mistakes of the past and promise candidates quick membership. therefore, nato is currently considering alternatives that could help ukraine and give the same effect as nato, in particular , the option of bilateral or multilateral pacts on mutual defense with ukraine, in this case a certain state will help build up the military potential of ukraine, such facts are ready according to volos a number of countries should contact us bohdan ferenc experts on international issues bohdan congratulations good night i congratulate you please tell me a-a ukraine a-a she will agree

to even an alternative option if there is one or we will stand to the last on my well, i think that we have already repeatedly stated that, in principle, the best guarantee for us is full membership directly, and according to which there is such a fifth article that guarantees exactly the security of the nato members of the state, therefore, unequivocally, as in the constitution states about our goal of full membership in the eu and nato, we will go towards it despite the challenges that are really happening directly to that . i think that there are effective alternatives to full membership that would guarantee security . there is really no understanding that the internal

one really has to be ready. to expansion - this is a process that we cannot simply influence in some places, but at the same time we have to again within the framework of our goal of our integration and the high price our state pays for common values ​​with nato countries regarding the deterrence of russia. i think that alternatives to nato are quite difficult to implement in the context of practical actions. but again , the expectation is still from our partners for greater openness and greater sincerity, they are definitely present, mr. bohdane, volodymyr zelenskyi said that if the nato member countries do not give ukraine a clear signal that they want to see ukraine in the alliance, then there is no point in actually participating in the july

meeting in vilnius. well, i will remind you that the head the state said this in an interview with divolstrid jonal, which was published on june 3. in your opinion, are we getting a clear signal, and otaki 's statements are actually what we just talked about , volas, what is this signal about what? internally, nato is also trying to find an appropriate wording and perhaps a response to our requests that would really satisfy ukraine in the current situation, so these internal discussions are ongoing, we really hope for not only the final document, but i think that we are waiting for something more concrete. if it is the participation

of the president at the highest level, then i would really like all this concreteness to give us more opportunity to understand how ukraine will move forward. on the way to full membership, actually now about this and again, before the candidate status when we were granted, there was also talk in some places about some alternative wording well, but we clearly stated that we only expect candidate status with on the other hand, it is also necessary to understand that we cannot allow, let's say, a cooling of our country's relations with the nato member states, because military cooperation is political cooperation. it must continue. nataliya is especially against in the context of such a confrontation with the greeks, so it is also necessary to take a balanced approach to the processes

taking place here. it is interesting that sweden, which had a non-aligned status, will obviously become a member of nato in the near future at the same vilnius summit - this is probably already a resolved issue, especially after today's meetings, meetings, if it is accurate, which took place the day before, it was from toltenberg that the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance met with the recently elected president of the republic of turkey, mr. erdoğan, who is again the president of turkey, and he gave his yes for joining sweden, and in particular, it is said that sweden has fulfilled all the requirements for joining in nato, and here i would actually like to mention the role of turkey itself, as well as how quickly all

requirements can be fulfilled and the receipt of all so-and-so in order to acquire this status of a nato member in relation to sweden i will immediately clarify here, not so much about the membership requirements and about the political criteria, but about the uh, internal, let's say, the conflict of bilateral relations between turkey and sweden. and actually, if they were swedes, like the movies, they became hostages of this situation a little. and what concerns the conformity of the criteria in these countries have long been in the common security policy of western countries, let's say, even without being and not being members of nato, their military-industrial complex , economic development, living standards, because nato is not only about defense capability, date is it about political, as well as the membership criterion about the level of democracy, and with that in finland, in sweden, there were no problems, just like standardization, problems arose again

, because of this bilateral nature in relations with turkey, and it was quite difficult for the swedes to overcome these challenges but the key word was said by the essence of the united states of america, mr. biden just after talking with the newly elected president erdoğan, they also had their own arguments for turkey to say its final words, but by the way it was repeatedly predicted on the air that after the elections in turkey, as soon as the situation becomes clear, who will be the next head of state of sweden or will they be accepted into nato , it was just a matter of time and that turkey for itself, so to speak , bargained at the expense of its yes and they within the framework of the bilateral format of the usa for themselves they clearly received there in the context of the f-16 planes in

the context of the support program, that is, they had a lot of their own requests that also needed , let's say, such ar in a conversation with skeptics, those who do not yet see ukraine in the north atlantic alliance, the washington post, with reference to sources in the american government, reported that despite the warning that the supply of weapons to ukraine would lead to a world war there , they observe that us president joe biden continues to defy the russian letter and he has awakened to his kind of appetite to cross the red lines, so in your opinion , what is it about and where can this appetite lead and to biden and us together with him well, here

the first question is, what are the phases and not what we are observing the russian-ukrainian war also has its own stages. if at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, our allies were really limited to the supply of the most available military weapons, which, let's say , would be more appropriate in a partisan war, then after a few months we have already seen the first deliveries of e-e heavy artillery also against missile anti-aircraft defense means, therefore, it is precisely from the phasing of e-e dynamics and the intensity of hostilities to the brutality of the russian troops that also depends

are our allies crossing certain red lines or not? and if sometimes there is no counter-reaction, then the page you can also say so do not stop and behave even more aggressively, therefore, in fact, it is precisely this phasedness that we now see taking on new dimensions, and this means that, for example, the same there are discussions about airplanes, the provision of airplanes, they already have a more objective nature, so to speak, than it would have been, for example, a year ago when we wanted and really wanted our partners to help close our skies, actually. i think that again after all, our partners in the west, first of all, really care about their security, and in this dimension, they analyze how their actions to support ukraine can affect the context of an even greater escalation of relations with russia or a decrease in the intensity of this

tension, in fact, according to such a coordinate system they make one or another decision , now on international issues, he was with us on the air during hostilities in the territory of the belgorod region, volunteers from the legion of freedom of russia captured servicemen of the russian armed forces they showed them in a video message to the governor of the belgorod region, vyacheslav gladkov, and even offered to hand over the sign of the holy trinity to the official if he would come to the church in the village of nova tavolzhanka and talk to volunteers about the situation in the region. assumed that the prisoners had allegedly already been killed , the volunteers reacted to this with another video with live prisoners, which became even more. in it, they called putin's government

rotten and cowardly and declared that the russian servicemen will be handed over to ukraine for further exchange of the military armed forces of ukraine, a volunteer of the special forces of the chord, a political scientist, we welcome you, mr. good evening, i want to ask you in general , follow these events that are related to the russian volunteer corps, the legion of freedom of russia , and how do you generally feel about it, how are you all do you appreciate this, well, this is good news because they force the enemy to transfer e-e forces to their border to defend their border and they do not know from where the attack will be made, that is, whether in kursk or ubryansk or in belegorodsk people's republic or rostovsk and that's why they are weakening the other directions of the kherson region zaporizhzhia is our east and it will be a little easier for us

to advance and it will be a little more difficult well, but i want you to price it, if seriously, it is unlikely that they will transfer the actual already the troops are involved, hmm, these are regular troops that they can throw here and there inside the country without necessarily coalescing their flanks or their own positions, and they probably understand that in a full-scale attack on the territory of the russian federation, the armed forces of ukraine will not go there, it is the russians who are operating there, that is where the legion of freedom of russia is, of course, but they have some reserves , which are armed, which are ready to act, and they are abandoning these reserves or to the east or to zaporizhzhia. where will there be an offensive there or there or to belgorod, and they need to do it because without strengthening there, the russian freedom legion and

the volunteer corps will reach moscow. that is why they are forced to use these reserves and they will not be able to transfer them here. importantly and it is very important from the point of view of psychology from the point of view of the media. because before the war for the russians was somewhere on tv and it was very convenient to watch tv, say crush dill, write something on social networks while sipping beer, and now the war has come to your home from the tv and you don’t feel it security. and it turns out that war is bad. it's scary. and you don't want to leave belgorod, and it's fair and it demoralizes them, it's important. but again, i want to point out that it's unlikely that it will somehow demoralize the conditional resident of the khanty-mansiysk region.

of the federal district, of course, everything is far away over there beyond the urals, but this is one more blow to the myth about the power of russia, the power of the russian army, and also about the fact that they are somehow valuable, all together , such a monolith around putin, we all united we see that russians are fighting russians the insurgency is fighting against putin's regime and this demoralizes their situation as well. well, you understand that official statements can be made by the general staff or speakers at the level of at least a brigade or a direction, so what can i say ? bakhmut we never gave up without saying arrivals if he did not congratulate his own putin congratulated the military, well, he and yanukovych three times on his victory in the presidential elections. we remember, uh, our fighters held uh, a small, small piece in

the southwest of bakhmut, and now they are even putting a little pressure on the enemy, so i will move and the area of ​​the plane there and yesterday's battles and today they are going and now they are going uh, there are results, there are positive news from the ugledaru district , it is not far from the svatova district, it is also luhansk region, not too far from here, that is, the ukrainians attack them quite brutally, they are moving forward, and as i say, we are not yet we started, but of course it's not very simple. we also have losses. my brother died the other day. he is a very bright person. such is our sniper . serhii, callsign tokha. he was also a very effective sniper. he won many sniper duels. he killed five orcs literally on the canon, but a shell took him out. that is, we we are moving forward, but it is possible, it is not an easy walk

we also have to lose, we are losing the best, our deep condolences , of course, eternal glory to the hero, to all the fallen heroes and all our hopes, uh, with you alive and i would like to understand directly now too the actions of the enemy, how deep do they go on the defensive? and what exactly does this mean, what do they do if the number of their attacks decreases ? to the generator, almost everyone did not reach where they were going, some were met at the exit, and our horta and our drg, although the attached himself says that there were mines, the ministry of defense of russia mined their lines, but one way or another

, they go out, come in, mobilized russians mobilized from the occupied territories of the donetsk luhansk region, they enter for which russian ones already with the contracts of the ministry of defense of anivagner, and rotation is always a little er, they need to get into work, that is, get used to it. that is, it is not the training of universities that they passed, if they passed, it is not enough to accept a full-fledged participation in hostilities , that is, it is difficult to compare them with those under fire. so they have some problems, and this is what we use . well, plans like silence, so they say in the ministry of defense of ukraine, they published there a video in which it was hinted that there would be no announcement of a counteroffensive. the video featured ukrainian fighters of various specialties and in different areas of the front, all of them with weapons and against the background of military equipment, showing one

gesture that means quiet, mr. kirill. so when you are asked about the counteroffensive, what do you say? well, no i'm a soldier, uh, in military life, i don't get calls from the general staff and don't share plans and think, look, but you are asked by journalists like us, uh, about counter-attacks and about other things, probably, about which it is better to keep silent. how do you get out of this situation, what do you say to such people? how are we? i'm always saying that we will get the task, well, it's very simple. our sabotage group receives the task in a very simple form. here's a map. here's a tablet . come here. there's something. destroy something here . take something here. knock out the enemy. is there an assault brigade nearby? let's take up a position. i know everything about this small piece, and my group

commander knows a piece, and the combatant knows a piece. the general staff knows that the commander of the ground forces is there, but they don’t communicate with anyone, because you know that information about leaks is very easy to listen to the phone, it’s easy to listen to walkie-talkies, too, someone gave a chatter to the continent, so he won’t be on the continent , so zelensky will speak in the evening, so you say tomorrow at 7:00, we’ll start in this direction counteroffensive and at 7:05 on the air of the commander who will say we are gone , here we go willingly in this direction, i will not make a decision like that, there will be some delay in the news that we are there we have advanced there, there are ongoing heavy battles and i understand, society will be about what is going on, in fact, it will be about the scale in a few days. but everything will already be happening. well, you see , journalists ask you, our neighbors ask us, so we also have to know what to say

. please tell me, did you mention what