[000:00:00;00] they will break the circle of russian aggression, the details of what it will look like, what mechanisms will be used, the idea is to prevent history from repeating itself, to prevent russian president putin from continuing to undermine european security, this is the goal, and then we discussed the means of achieving it , briefly about what we will not allow to interfere with the russian president continue to undermine european security and now another direct speech from the minister of foreign affairs of the new minister of foreign affairs of estonia we very clearly support the idea of ​​providing ukraine with a detailed path to joining nato as a full member. i believe that the alliance will become a strong guarantee of security for ukraine after the war and we need to send a clear signal

that there will no longer be any gray areas in the neighborhood with russia, i.e. mr. pavlo, look, i listened to other direct conditions from this meeting, that is, such a clear message that the victory of ukraine is not only the victory of ukraine in the war with russia for the aggressive war with russia , but it is the victory of the whole of europe, or can you say what is this consensus, the consensus attitude in europe, is it clear, so far, it is still being formed, that is, everyone has their own logic , what does the victory of europe in this war mean, and it is absolutely clear to everyone that to allow russia to raise the stakes again will be the defeat of the whole of europe, the toltenberg process only that kzm in absolutely direct text, that is, we are now

talking about whether ukraine's accession to nato will be delayed with a transition period from a new one with a new meaning of guarantees, and these guarantees, er, excuse the slang, should break her putin and any other regime that can exist in russia in general, even think about attacking europe . and in this sense, we belong to the european and trans-atlantic regime, will there be any other option, but in fact, what was the discussion , what was the discussion that is happening now, it is leaning towards that that during the war, of course, nato cannot make a decision about our entry and cannot start a discussion about the specifics, well, or certainly does not want to. i believe that the world is changing very quickly and that

the impossible vorskla can be important important vilnius, the impossibility of freedom may become important during the next year's summit in washington, that is, in fact, the world with its own red lines that it sets for itself , then tries to adhere to, then tries to somehow jump over the main thing is not to set endless labyrinths of red lines and have an ambitious vision and this ambitious vision is not yet taking shape, and this is the meaning of your question. nevertheless , it is beginning to be discussed and it is clear to everyone that returning to the status of someone with gray areas it is impossible because these zones have a tendency to explode, they are provoking putin to what uh

and then try to destabilize both us and europe and remember what putin wanted before the war to return to the status quo of 1997, this means having all of central europe as a certain zone common neighborhood there with europe, with the united states, that is, they claimed to return to europe before the situation after the second world war. and now they are talking about how to somehow isolate them there within today's borders. and what will happen next? in fact, let's see, this strategic isolation is actually becoming the key strategy of the approach towards russia and in russia - they are not just beginning to understand this in russia, they

are beginning to feel it. look, what are the results of the restriction of oil and gas exports in russia today, gas prices eh they fall in the 8th week no, even the 9th week will pass, that is, what will be the real revenues of gazprom in the future, and also for china , he rubs putin's head and is completely frank and rude and says, well, i want to prepare gas for china well, then give us unprecedented discounts and we'll see what to do with you later, and the oil that is now flowing to india and china is still with discounts, and there was also such a significant meeting of the apec this weekend, and this topic is right out of sight

, even though pasha is accused in the face of manipulating statistics in an attempt to export more oil at a discount in order to somehow balance her budget and her expenses for the war with us, which means that in fact russia is entering into conflict with many people not only in the western world, but also in the non-western world. of the world. for example, it is with the same saudi one arabia, which is clearly playing into our hands, and it is very important for us that russia is seen not only in the western world as such a bully without rules who is actually ready for anything and who cannot be trusted, this will be very, very useful later when we talk about responsibility in russia, it is impossible to do this only within the framework of the western world, of course, mr. pavlo, and

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all this will be said by serhiy rudenko and the guests of his program people who have information and shape public opinion people who defend ukraine and create the future right now the main and interesting thing in the program is the verdict by serhiy rudenko from monday to friday at 20:00 repeat at 12:10 this the world during the war and we are back again live on the espresso tv channel and also on the air on youtube with me on the phone minister of foreign affairs of ukraine for 2014-2019 pavlo klimkin mr. pavlyk thank you for being with us well and before you put it question and start discussing it yourself moldova i just want to briefly remind the viewers that on youtube we asked them a question whether ukraine will receive security guarantees from nato yes no your option your option can be read in the comments well and after the program is

broadcast so mr. pavlo e th moldova summit of the european political community was attended by the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, let's listen to what he said first, we talked about our bilateral relations, about the main priority projects which we will sign in the near future, i think it is very important to emphasize that our future is in the eu and ukraine is ready to be in nato. we are waiting for the alliance to be ready to accept our country. in my opinion, security guarantees are very important not only for ukraine, but also for our neighbors , particularly for moldova, russia and her aggression carries risks for other parts of europe as well, and here he was standing next to the president of moldova, and

he has a reputation. common and firm determination to restore peace to europe today we demonstrated our strength and unity at a time when the stability of our continent is under threat, we demonstrated that we are united against the greatest military aggressor since the second world war and against violations of international law, we informed president zelensky that we will stand on the side of ukraine as much as necessary as the president of moldova, and i am convinced that if my own country were under threat due to the resistance and courage of ukraine, mr. pavlo, we can say that right here on at this forum such a serious concrete pro-ukrainian anti-russian coalition was formed and i think that it was formed before we saw it and i think that this summit also became a kind of uh-uh good such a gift for moldova because it allows us to show

europe's interest in moldova - it allows president sandu fend off russian attacks fend off russia's attempts to destabilize moldova and turn it into a mess into some variant of a russian enclave i also believe that in fact for moldova we are a guarantee of security this is how we talk about guarantees of security from nato from the west, we are ukrainians and ukraine is a guarantee of security for moldova, we are a chance for moldova to become european and we will be honest and i do not want to offend our moldovan friends but nevertheless they got the prospect of membership in the eu

thanks to us and together with us, that is why the e-e coalition is such a european coalition with moldova for the european future, it will definitely work, there are no other options for the european future without us, moldova definitely does not have and stick to each other as european countries we have and will also mr. pavlo, why does it seem so to me, for example, it is my personal opinion that moldova delayed for a very long time what you said to stick to each other? why is that because in moldova, unfortunately, russian sentiments and pro-russian influences are very, very powerful there and, unfortunately, sympathy for russia , especially among those who worked in russia, there are russian criminal networks, all pro-russian parties

, they are semi-criminal students, you know there they are black or gray, but there are certainly many abnormal colors there, and russia has been working on this for a very, very long time, so i think that moldova a difficult country in this sense for the future european integration, moldova must get rid of its dependence on gazprom, on russian gas, on the russian market, so far it has not done so, unlike us, the intention on the ic will mean that moldova has a very clear idea of ​​who its friend who is her enemy and i have i don't have sandu i mean every citizen of this country it's an exceptional choice for them just like we made it it's not an easy choice but to see how many leaders of european countries are in

moldova and they didn't sacrifice just like that at one time, we came there in order to, as you said, cement european moldova , so that it would follow this very consistent course, so that all russian efforts to turn moldova into a pro-russian mess never came true, it is clear, mr. pavlo, well, obviously, we were talking about europe, now we need to talk a little and about our, unfortunately, such neighbors in the north and north-east, i mean belarus, look at russia . last week, there was a statement by the self-proclaimed president of belarus, oleksandr lukashenko let's listen to this statement

first , if it didn't interfere a little more than a year ago , it started tomorrow, but the conditions are worse for russia and belarus, all this is over preparedness against everything they wanted to regulate peacefully, they during this time created their own capable armed forces, that is, look at mr. pavlo, the self-proclaimed former spoke about the fact that the only thing that can cross the border between belarus and ukraine is tractors belarusians now he is talking about the fact that it is a pity that we did not resolve this issue or it is a shame that we did not resolve this issue together with putin earlier in 2014-2015. in your opinion, this is another statement by grigorovich al lukashenko, or could there be something behind it but pay attention, even in your video, and i saw longer, uh, from everyone sitting at the table, i

won’t say it in russian , the representative, but somehow i don’t feel any inspiration from lukashenka’s words, that ’s it, they have their eyes, somehow, at the table and look uh, they look and think for sure you know about yourself, mr. pavlo, even when you look at the representative of russia, and finally he looked at lukashenka with such glassy eyes, and i got the impression that he was thinking to himself at that moment, why am i even sitting here now ? do you know that infamous russian radbes, who was confused there, as they say in the testimony, and putin tried to guide him on the path of the real russian path, well, that's their question, let them guide themselves. it is very important for us

that lukashenko started talking about our mistake that is, he identifies himself with putin's russia in this, i think it is not accidental and scheming on the part of lukashenka well, it is unlikely that he is too experienced he has an animal sense of power, he understands what to say and if he says it well, he probably feels a threat from the side russia they say that he has health problems , there are many speculations that we ourselves will not reproduce here. but russia 100 100%. even 101%, you can take advantage of this and try to change the situation in belarus , nuclear weapons may be located there , at least preparations for this are underway and

are going as far as we understand not just er herbal and at the words therefore for putin to get at least one small victory when he cannot win nothing in ukraine will be important lukashenko - he understands this perfectly and he will say what is really expected of him as they expect not so much in belarus, because there he controls the information space as in other realities, especially in russia, and eh, i am not an expert in belarus, eh, what my expert friends say there is that lukashenko controls the special services, but less and less controls the armed forces so in fact he will now issue er any statement that will protect him from some non-trivial development of events and i think that all these statements well they

are actually skyrim trying to secure himself personally secure his family and secure his assets that he is there i would not perceive it as super serious from the point of view of the political position there, i would perceive it as lukashenka's desire to maneuver in a situation where his maneuver is getting narrower and narrower it is clear well, look lukashenko in the same way. last week, he offered the president of kazakhstan and kazamar tokaev to become more actively involved in integrating into the so-called union state of belarus , ukraine. in the ally

of the state, but there is waterworthiness, we will evaluate the bus. economic union as for nuclear weapons, they are not needed because we are sitting on the treaty, they are on the proliferation of nuclear weapons . he said i'm considered a great joke but we're not talking about the fact that he said such words since we joined the non-proliferation treaty of nuclear weapons and the treaty on the prohibition of nuclear weapons , we remain faithful to our obligations within the framework of these international documents. pavlo well, this is such a direct accusation towards lukashenka and e

. such as just an elegant ambassador lukashenko eh well, i can’t even appreciate it otherwise, he clearly said well, just kidding yourself there can still be well but but but the expert translated into normal language kazakhstan is not going to join the union state in any quality is what he said, the second thing is that he said that kazakhstan does not need nuclear weapons because it is against international law and directly accuse lukashenko of violating this international law and putin of course well , putin doesn't care anymore, he violated everything he could and could not, but lukashenko in fact, it really violates the key provisions, because it is one thing if the five weapons were not fully

controlled by russia, and so they are trying to talk about belarusian planes working with belarusians, what do they have be involved in this matter, from the point of view of international law , no one should have any doubts that belarus fundamentally violates the key principles of international law, and if it violates, then it should be followed by this punishment, what kind of punishment will it be, will it simply be more sanctions or will it be your strategy deterrence in relation to belarus is what belarus should now be included in nato's nuclear deterrence strategy, which , by the way, will also be discussed at the summit on arbitrariness - this is also obvious because belarus is becoming a source of threat to all

western countries and this raising rates and lukashenka is unlikely to have gone alone . i think that he was led to this, uh, how is it, uh, again , elegantly, he noted, uh, and more and more he is betting on china, we can see this a few days ago, there was a summit china-centric by asian countries and i think that in the long term central asia will turn into a zone of chinese influence, but lukashenko is actually drifting to the point that pai and the allied state will turn into a single state, and i think that putin has set such a condition for him and such a plan exists how much and when is it it will continue, we have already talked about it, in my opinion, what are the options, but it is actually very sad , i think that the belarusians, who have a fund for a different

mentality than the russians, definitely did not deserve it. i think that the belarusians, with all the other soviet influences, they are all the same once in the middle ages they were in the same state with us, they, er, in their dna should define themselves as europeans. yes, their dna does not have cossacks , there is no unceasing desire for freedom like ours , but they are still not russians in terms of mentality , and i think that the desire from eat belarus later it will come out through some other place there in russia. i really hope so. i hope so. i was hoping. i liked how you said that first lukashenka took this step and then he was sent through this step . well, that’s very cool, mr. pavlo, we have literally three minutes , even less . i still wanted to talk about shebekina, but time is running out, just a little bit

, let's first listen to what one resident of shebekina said, and then he asked you a question. we were told that this is rare because you know that there are no explosions, guys, but it’s always a nightmare. i don’t understand where it’s flying from. well, many of them , the residents of these townspeople, say that it’s flying from this area. pavlo klimkin of ukraine came back to us, mr. pavlo, there are some problems , look, i understand if they said that, for example, i heard one more direct speech of a woman who said that our cysts are being shelled, i understand if they said that , for example, residents of novy urengoy, who, well , openly sneeze at that what happens in

ukraine because here it is very it is very far from them, but the residents of shchebekino are two steps away from ukraine. and they know exactly what is happening in kharkiv, for example. and who is doing it , namely their russian army. the diagnosis is for such russians, but maybe let's give them some kind of diagnosis. why? i think it should pass as a diagnosis. we understand very well that russians are people who are mostly devoid of empathy. we can see that they have no feeling for the people around them. when i see these photos of russian women with the fur coats they were given for the murdered children well, this is actually , uh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is a conversation about the difference between european and russian values ​​- it's a conversation about what, in general, their pavlo only stays for half a minute, that's why i think that this is not a diagnosis, everyone is fine. everything

of course this is a different reality and this reality will have to be rebooted later with my hands but i didn't reboot without rebooting this reality we will never feel safe neither we nor the west nor ultimately ourselves i have sure that this must be ours arguments in any discussions and our arguments and actions, but we have shown that we can do it, we can do it and it is good from what you said during the program that our colleagues and partners understand that this reality needs to be rebooted and it will be transmitted and i think that they will continue to act, although gradually and evolutionary, but very clearly and consistently. thank you , mr. pavlo, for taking part in today's program. pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-2019

, talked about the most important things that happened in the world last week and the same thing, what to expect. next week, i will tell you very quickly how you voted. answer the questions. we asked you whether ukraine will receive security guarantees from nato . 284 people voted . 5% wrote it, you wrote it in the comments, so go to the comments er under this video and you will see the vote. well, because of the lack of time, i have to finish the program world at war, but our broadcast, the broadcast of the espresso tv channel continues, it is continued by the informational service and my colleague a charming colleague iryna koval iro i congratulate you on the word yura and i congratulate you literally in a moment