[000:00:00;00] are quite high and it is clear that the current government is primarily interested in holding these elections at the peak of popularity and , accordingly, ensuring the opportunity to remain in office and in power for a long time, but in my opinion well, this is categorically not possible to do here, the question is not only in that, someone will survive, who will win, in the end the ukrainian people will make their decision. the problem with the elections is that the elections consider it an element of democracy , but only when they take place the democratic way, i.e. elections are not an end in themselves, they are a tool of democracy and should be held only because they must be held or someone sees it as expedient, this is absolutely wrong, that is, we should hold them only when we can ensure security, effective participation of all categories of citizens, equal conditions for candidates parties and so on, that is, when the elections will

meet the so-called practical standards or the principle of elections, and in this case, well , if we are talking about this problem, i would consider such a formal aspect about which you actually already said, that is, in accordance with the current legislation of the constitution and so on . in the conditions of martial law, it is impossible to hold elections, it is illegal, well, this is absolutely understandable. because when rockets are flying and tanks and machine guns are shooting, then you hold elections somehow, well, it is quite strange. but i would like to ask a question considered even more broadly. it seems to me that if we act in accordance with the legislation and, for example, a month after the end of the war, the abolition of martial law is announced as the start of elections, i very much doubt that at least a tenth of the available we will be able to implement the problems that we are currently facing. i mean the first thing is that the state voter register has not been updated for a year and a half and is not working, large-scale migration abroad, internally displaced persons. we do not have a real state of information

about who can vote, where to vote and so on, according to some data, about 10 million people are abroad at 102 polling stations that exist abroad , it is simply unrealistic to organize the voting of ten million people. this is about 7 million internally displaced people which will also be their participation will be problematic, especially when we talk about the electoral system, this is another problem because the new electoral system, which provides for open lists, it provides for preferential voting for candidates. and most importantly , it provides for the regional division of the country. how to do this in conditions of war, when part of the territory occupied, well, it is also difficult, even if the entire territory of ukraine will be completely liberated , what to do, how to organize voting in the territory that was occupied in 14-15 years, this is

another complex of problems that is transmitted the mechanism of action, see, i am a very, let's say, a big opponent of the introduction of electronic voting or even some kind of voter registration in the current conditions. well , in fact, even if we were ready, the issue of electronic voting is a very ambiguous issue. maybe you remember when in there, in the 14th, 15th, and 16th years, there were certain highlighted facts about the fact that russia began to very well interfere in elections in other countries , american elections there, a referendum on the secession of catalonia and many others there elections, referendums in turkey and so on, that is, what i am leading to, there was such a situation when a lot of western countries had already developed and approved plans for the introduction of electronic voting, and they began to abandon it en masse because they realized that there is a very large set of problems that can to wait, moreover, the biggest

problem even there is not in hacker attacks, well , which russia can carry out and so on, the main problem is that we cannot control electronic voting, unlike polling stations, how voting takes place, i.e., potentially, the director of a factory or the head of an enterprise can call all employees to work on election day, put them behind their computers and force them to vote there under, for example, the threat of dismissal or punishment and how he wants. and it is impossible to control this. i am silent about certain e-e falsifications, fraud with the rest, you know , seems so paradoxical in ukraine, which was actually the country that invented the so-called transit server, which was back in 2004 tried to falsify non-electronic voting, well, at least it's quite strange that, well, we often say, actually, when the question of holding these elections arises, and then they say that in the previous period

, only donbas, part of donbas and crimea were occupied, then these elections were held and accordingly they call for the fact that if the fire is stopped and if there is some lull, then it will be possible to hold elections, it will be possible to talk about it, but still, huge territories remain occupied, and in such a case, are elections possible until the complete deoccupation of the whole the territory of ukraine and to some such definite act there, the declaration of the end of the war, we understand that the war begins in one day, and it ends, it can continue. well , in fact, the question is quite complicated, and it is probably impossible to give such an unambiguous answer, you absolutely rightly noted that we do not we can consider the election process in the future, let's say abstractly from the hostilities and the war as it is happening in the east of ukraine , and it is clear that we can have a lot of

different options, as well as the options that our the counteroffensive will be a successful archive, well literally in a month we will get, let's say, the restoration of sovereignty within the framework of the 91st year. yes, there is an option when this war will drag on for years, i agree with you. what really happened in the 14th year, uh, we had presidential and parliamentary elections, which took place in the conditions of hostilities, but first of all, the scale of these hostilities was , well, i will say there 3-4 orders of magnitude less than now , that is, no one bombed the entire territory of ukraine , uh, the front line was not enough, much smaller is needed, secondly, much less intense battles were fought, besides, the state register was functioning. in fact, this happened on the eve of the elections, and in fact preparations were already being made for the elections. well, and so on , that is, there were not. that if we take internally displaced persons and people who are currently

abroad, this is almost half of our electorate. in addition, we understand that, as i have already said, it is very important that the state register and record of voters has not been kept for a year and a half is being updated, that is, it is unrealistic to hold elections so that they are democratic. in addition, we understand that there are other problems about which the one who emphasized such a thing well, it is banal, in order for the elections to be democratic, there must be no censorship, centralized concentration of resources in the hands of a certain political force, it must be a free opportunity for all parties to convey information to the voters. how to do this to 10 million voters abroad and, well, many other points, that is, i still believe that if and even if the question arises that the war is very it is taking a lot of time and we still need to try to hold elections in conditions of some kind of calm, well, this will still not be the best option, that is, there will still be elections that will be accompanied by a very large

number of problems, and what do you understand, for us , elections now should not only be in order for us to formally take over the council, we understand that our party supports it because it sees in us a part-, well, let's say a country that is part of the democratic camp, which opposes the undemocratic authoritarian russia, and we are very important to us after the war there or, well, in the next elections, demonstrate that we conducted the elections democratically, that we ensured all the conditions for all candidates and that the voting results reflect the real will of the voters. that is, we must demonstrate this democratic progress for which we fought and what we, how we positioned ourselves, if we do not do this then it will be easy while you and i analyze the situation inside our country, the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of the united kingdom of great britain and northern

ireland unexpectedly came to kyiv right now i was studying the facebook stories of our president and this message appeared . according to the head of the state of climate change, he discussed the important and urgent issues of ukraine's expectations from the vilhiv nato summit, the promotion of the ukrainian peace formula and the preparation of the global summit for its implementation, and it is also about the london international conference with reconstruction of ukraine quoted by the presidents, we are very grateful for the support that great britain provided and continues to provide to ukraine over the last week, we held talks with the prime minister of great britain, it was direct dialogue and very important agreements were reached, so what, we literally ask for a pause for two minutes , then we return to the conversation and we will talk about , not about the external examination, but about the national multiplex test, but about this innovation, which was actually introduced in view of events in the country, so please stay with us about

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professor of the national university of lviv polytechnic, doctor of science , mykola buchenko . we continue to talk now about educational affairs, more precisely, we are starting to talk about them, discuss them, we want to look at one material with you. what will it be according to the forecasts of experts, let's see in the plot 180 minutes that can determine the future life in ukraine, the main session of the national more than 280,000 entrants plan to take part in the multi-subject test, in particular 23,000 abroad, testing points are open in 30 countries of the world , in total, this year, one third of those willing to take the nmt are more than in 2022. this year, entrants learned more quickly about the assessment procedure. in ukraine

, we probably also prepared better and could better conduct an information campaign about what is a national multiplex test , how to pass it a national multiplex a forced alternative to the usual external examination, it is held for the second year in a row, the main difference from 2022 is that this year applicants will take only two compulsory subjects , the ukrainian language and mathematics, the third subject could be chosen, in particular, the history of ukraine , which was compulsory last year, this decision caused heated discussions in society about should the history of ukraine have been included in the national multiplex test well, i support that this year it should not have been done or the model we have today seems to me to be optimal the history of ukraine was predicted to become the most popular additional subject chosen by more than half of the entrants, a third decided to take a foreign language, more than 10%

chose biology, physics and chemistry, clear outsiders together chose them only 3%. that is, less than 10,000 applicants, as last year, the main problem of the admissions campaign is security, that is why the places and dates of testing on the territory of ukraine are not disclosed . to cancel and test participants will be forced to take part in an additional session and planned for july, residents of the occupied territories will be able to enter universities even without a completed nmt according to a special procedure well, this is a rather telling plot mykola buchenko, but we will now add the professor of the studio to our marathon tetyanul vakulenko, the director of the ukrainian center

for evaluation of the quality of education good afternoon so the testing started today, the first day, how did it go, how did the first day of testing continue , did everything go smoothly, were there any surprises? please tell me, share, i won’t say many details for security reasons, i have to mention a few things, the process continues according to the plan, there are no prague surprises and difficult situations that you could solve for me. it was a secret that it was connected with the capacity only with the war, are there any nuances, no undoubtedly we are talking about the war, we are talking about the fact that anya is the address of the testing points ani time is the entrants of the evaluation populations in the punctual institution education should not be announced and the same when the top announces about e-e features

logistics of participants in personal that will include evaluations on the territory of ukraine , it is clear how many e-e graduates registered this year maybe not only graduates maybe it is graduates of previous years who did not pass or want to resend the actual ente how many people have been registered since this year and how many of them are in ukraine and how many abroad you have already mentioned, we have 284 thousand people registered , of which 26 plan to undergo evaluation according to the law to the example of the past, it was 214, or about 24,000 titles abroad, what are similar numbers? tell me, please, the safety of the children of the graduates who are taking the test, in what way was it managed to be organized, do they write the tests in shelters or in some other premises, and what on a case of anxiety to equip such a number of ukrainians in order

to walk the evaluation of prisoners is possible actually the regional military administrations have offered us such educational institutions and these are lyceum schools as well as higher educational institutions that either have shelter in the room or have an opening nearby e. during the air alarm, the participants will go down to the shelter and stay in the shelter during the entire air alarm in our studio, your colleague mr. tetyanu, professor mykola besor, scientist, educator, we would like to ask him about the main challenges facing the educational process in ukraine how successfully they manage to solve well , let's start with probably the same national multiple subject test if one of the challenges well here actually on the one hand very well yes so this statistic

they just pointed out that more ukrainian schoolchildren and graduates have registered and want to, well, at least they are showing a desire to get an education, this is really good. it really shows certain positive trends. one peculiarity is that, well, students to a large extent, you know, had such an idealized perception of education abroad. last year , they believed that it was many times better than ukrainian, and now you know, they saw reality understood that our education is not so bad , plus the security situation in ukraine has more or less stabilized, that is, at least well, if we take western ukraine there , the situation is much safer, in my opinion, and well, this was probably caused by the fact that part of our graduates returned, some of them still understood that they see themselves in ukraine. that is, this is a positive moment out of the negative ones. i definitely see that , after all

, the history of ukraine was taken away as a mandatory subject, well, according to my conviction, in in the conditions of the war in the conditions when we have to understand who the enemy is and why he is an enemy and in fact and especially so in what shall we say weak points is he well then, for sure, political science and historical education and so on, this is the basis that forms critical thinking, correct knowledge of history, correct, let's say worldview, patriotic, state, and so on. and for example, the explanation i heard on your broadcast about what was really inappropriate this year. i don’t understand. and why exactly this year was it appropriate to implement the history of ukraine and, for example, the previous one year was appropriate, that is, if there was some explanation that would convince me, i didn’t understand and didn’t hear it, that is , it seems to me that after all, this is a problem that will have to be solved. i understand that this was probably done in order to make a certain specialization, yes - because, for example, there are technical specialties there, there are pharmaceutical and medical specialties, there are humanitarian and social ones, and

so on. but it seems to me that this problem was incorrectly solved, for example. the same must be mathematics for those who will to study the history of ukraine or philology there is probably not very good and it is necessary here , too, certain questions arise, it is obvious that it was necessary to follow a certain , you know, approach of differentiating specific specialties and establishing specific mandatory disciplines for them. without options and the history of ukraine is not needed by everyone, well, that is, the key history. so we understand how big a role different testing plays in the fact that it mobilizes and forces applicants to learn so and then so say, during the educational process in various universities, we understand that except for specialized history faculties, they can catch up on certain knowledge, if not

, then it will be a failure, it’s also like me, well , we won’t come back, we can continue somewhere, for example, as a political scientist, for example, there were things that political science was taken away as a mandatory discipline for most specialties of higher education institutions, that is, well, this is also a blatant mistake, because, again, it is necessary to form an understanding of political consciousness the culture of citizens, the understanding of those political processes. well, in many ways, this can be continued in the same way. well, i definitely see another threat, for sure, the issue of security, the issue of distance learning. that is, well, let's be frank , distance learning is not the best option for learning. in order to acquire the right knowledge, to acquire phages, then to be a competitive specialist on the labor market, on the other hand, there is the issue of safety, and well , for sure, we must somehow consistently get out of

this problem. we must try to turn around students in the classroom because well, if i form well, if we continue the trend for a certain time, we will actually lose a very large layer of potential specialists whom we will not be able to form, this is also a problem that must be solved, the problem of staffing is probably a problem of financial support for education well, just the same. let's be honest, teachers and educators receive meager salaries in such difficult conditions . therefore, this is probably another problem that our authorities should solve, because if such trends continue, well soon there will be no one to teach the same to the entrants, and so on, that is, there is a rather large layer of certain problems that will have to be solved, which must be solved now already in the conditions of the war, and then, let's say , make those trends more relevant and more accelerated already after

our victories, thank you for your position, it is very interesting and very valuable, mrs. tetiana, i have another question for you, specifically in the context of what we just talked about, about what mr. mykola said, first of all, this is proper. have you already recorded any cause some difficulties during this first day of testing - it's one thing and the other is actually over the last few years , what are the trends, so first we had the coronavirus, then the war started, accordingly , distance learning was often absent because we had different situations. i heard many stories from schoolchildren when there is no lesson there, so the anxiety has started. and there is something else, accordingly , there is constantly repetition of the material and there is not so much of that high-quality and effective teaching that is in classrooms and school

classes. so, according to your observations of how has the level of secondary school education in ukraine changed in the last few years? i'll just start with the second question, we only send the subject test and other sad ones. the tests are definitely not designed to compare the educational achievements of entrants in different years, because it changes, the selection of participants in the evaluation changes, and the rules by which it takes place introductory campaign, it is obvious that in order to record the educational achievements of the participants, we need a system of state final attestations and if it existed in ukraine in full and were not interrupted for confess to war, then we would have good objective data that would allow us to talk about the real problems in education that we see, more precisely, we missed these problems on the results of educational achievements . must be a part of the state final certification, because

the national multi-subject test is only an entrance test, and this test itself is not intended to motivate the study of individual subjects, to mobilize participants and to choose the best written mathematics should be found in order to have a full pregnancy and it is they who are chosen as mandatory. that is, this combination of subjects allows us to implement if we had a state final certification , which is mandatory for all those who have completed general secondary education in the ukrainian language of mathematics. for example, the unusual history of ukraine to the example of one of the secondary subjects or a foreign country for which we would have good information about what exactly is happening in the world regarding the difficulty of the first day of assessment , it is undoubtedly very difficult to conduct assessment in the conditions of air alarms is undoubtedly difficult to assess when

it comes to clearly complying with safety requirements and this imposes restrictions on how effective the process can be . i hope that in the future there will be fewer air alarms for now. unfortunately, they are very frequent , especially in the east of the country and in the south of the country like that. thank you, we literally have 1 minute left. mykola, please respond to what i want to hear. well, i agree with the fact that we really cannot compare different results of different years. these are completely different things, but i don't i agree with what we say that preparation for a multi-subject test or external examination does not stimulate the study of the subject, we understand very well that potential applicants already in the 10-11th grade begin to work with tutors on specific subjects to deepen their knowledge and so on, and it is clear that if history is taken away, this will definitely not contribute deepening knowledge about history, about our past, about our glorious past and about what our future will be, so i still think that it is very important that history should return as

a mandatory part of the external examination or a multimeter hope that one of all will hear mykola buchuk, doctor of political sciences, professor of the national university of lviv polytechnic, and tetyana vakulenko, the director of the ukrainian center for evaluation of the quality of education, was in touch with us in our studio , but we still have literally one minute, and i actually want to inform about the fact that there are now explosions and shelling in kharkiv oblast, so i urge everyone to take shelter - this can actually save lives and preserve health, such an important signal from the head of the joint chiefs' committee chiefs of staff of the army of the united states of america, general mark milley, he highly praised the readiness of the armed forces of ukraine for the upcoming counteroffensive. in the comments, everyone is not . mark milley said that ukraine is waging a war that is

an existential threat to the very survival of ukraine and is more important for the rest of the world, for europe, in fact, for the united states states and for the entire globe, and speaking about the future counteroffensive of the ukrainian armed forces, mili noted that ukraine has prepared very well for it, but it is still too early to talk about the results regarding the situation in the bakhmut direction, she said that we are moving with a broad front and we are successful , we are occupying the dominant heights. in iryna koval's studio, i want to start