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of this at night, there is currently no information about the victims, as reported by the head of the city military administration, serhii popko , the russians launched cruise missiles of the has101 type from strategic bombers from the caspian sea region, all were shot down, there were no hits as a result of falling debris in the desnyansk district, the road surface was damaged. the trolleybus power line and caps were partially knocked out in one of the shops. kharkiv survived the night attack of the russians . slobidskyi and shevchenkivskyi district cities were hit. missiles were hit there previously. s300 reported the district official oleg sinygub. there is currently no information about the victims. the mayor of the city, ihor tarakhov, told our colleagues from the public sector that the water main was destroyed in the shevchenkiv district , the accident is still being repaired for the residents where possible they restored the water supply from another water main, so all

the windows and doors were in ruins and very large pieces from the ground even flew through the roof in the yard , everything was broken here, the water main was destroyed, now there are two reservoirs with a diameter of 1,400, the other 150 diameter is destroyed, the road surface is broken, residential buildings and office buildings i mean to knock out the windows from the heat, in addition to this we will examine the roof, because i believe that there were also shrapnel hits in the roofs here, schools here, office premises here , residential buildings, no military objects projects it cannot be done, in total, over the past day, russian troops shelled at least 26 settlements in the kharkiv region. as a result of one

of the shellings, a pipeline containing ammonia was depressurized in the kupyan district, however , according to oleg blue lips, the ammonia does not exceed the norm and there is no threat to the population. the headquarters for liquidation of the consequences due to the increase in the number of shellings the authorities can make a decision on the forced location of residents of border settlements fungus is now not a problem because terbifoot death for fungus derby is worried about the heat of the legs rejoice with fungi root of exclusive plantain under a lot farm i oleksandr sklyar was born and grew up in kharkiv in a city that suffers from russian weapons every day i know that poltava has become a home for tens of thousands of immigrants and for me a second

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, so watch the broadcast of the espresso tv channel well, before introducing your guest i want to remind everyone who watches us on youtube that we are broadcast on two channels in general espresso and a channel in youtube that was created specifically for the world at war program, so on this channel we ask you questions as always and we offer you the answers today's question sounds like this: will ukraine receive security guarantees from nato three answer options yes no your option your option you can write in the comments and in the comments then you can also read it at the end now i see that 84 people have already voted but i still that i will not voice their results so as not to set you up on how to vote well and thank you to all 611 people who watch us on the special channel the world during the war on youtube well and thank you to the 1254 who

are watching on the general espressov channel ok, now let's move on to the conversation, this past week was very rich in international events, so i will have something to talk about with my guest today, especially since my royal colleague, the editor ulyana, has also cut a lot of direct language, so let's discuss. well, my guest today pavlo klinkin minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-2019 p- pavlo i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes congratulations mr. yuriy well, i hope that we will vote at the end of the conversation, but at the beginning to make it more interesting, no, no, sir, i just don't wanted adjust us viewers by saying who is there and how is voting yes, well, sir, fuel, well, agree, last week was so full of information, i have a lot of things i want

to talk to you about, we have enough time, let 's start in such a chronological order , maybe with the security forum of the block-sec forum in the capital many leaders of the governments and countries of europe were present in bratislava. well, there were also presidents , heads of various european organizations, both security and various others. well, they spoke it is obvious that it is mostly about security in europe, but is it possible to talk about security in europe now without mentioning ukraine and without mentioning aid, so ukraine was also talked about a lot. let us first listen to the two direct speeches of french president emmanuel macron. from the first day of this war, we were impressed by the ability of the ukrainians to resist and achieve such concrete results, russia

achieved much less on the military front than we expected at the beginning, thanks to the commitment of the ukrainians and their ability to be strategic smart brave and well organized i know they are preparing very carefully for a counter-offensive and can withstand the stress of this war for months i am not sure if we will have a consensus for the vilnius meeting on full membership let's be honest how do you understand we need strong concrete and comprehensive security guarantees, he voiced a certain doubt about whether we would be invited, but he said about security guarantees well, one more direct message from the president of the european commission von der lem will listen to a cease-fire as a result of which hostilities will freeze will not lead to a lasting peace a cease-fire would be unstable and destabilize the region along the contact line in this case no one will invest or restore

ukraine and war can break out at any moment nor a just peace should lead to the withdrawal of russian troops and equipment from the territory of ukraine, it is obvious that there were these security guarantees mr. pavel this year there will obviously not be an invitation, but will there be any clearer wording about how we will continue to cooperate with nato, at least while the aggressive russian war continues in our territory, in fact, the discussions in bratislava are part of how the wind is changing, the wind is changing in europe and macron's speech is indicative , not so much ms. ovsula, because everything is clear there, she says quite

banal things for us, if there is no security, how will we exist, we will exist europe how can we actually count on the safety of investments and the safety of life as such, but macron said some interesting things for someone, his speech was a surprise for me, in the end, he was quite expected, first, he stopped talking about europe as a separate reality and emphasized ancient solidarity , what was expected of him, he tried to play giant slalom there after visiting china, did he play about strategic autonomy , now he said that a west is a west, in fact

, translated from diplomatic to normal and the west should be united and it is actually a lot if you hear it from macron and for the chinese it would be more profitable to have separate europe separately france separately the states to talk to each different strategy towards china for china it would be by luck but in reality it won't be this first second what macron said, and by the way, you provided this in the award speech . maybe we will discuss it later, but it is very important. he said that it is necessary to look at what eurointegra means with real balls, and that this process cannot continue indefinitely. that it should get well and on dynamic and this actually means a lot from a country that has always been seen and felt as such inhibiting factors for european integration. well, the third

security guarantee is clear that during the war there is no consensus in nato regarding our acceptance - this means the immediate start of the war with russia nato in the end, you understand that you need to change the fundamental strategy of relations with russia, switch to deterrence and move to the strategic weakening of russia and the regime and russia as such. since we understand that in the russians are good and bad - it's somehow in the past, but macron started talking about security guarantees and i don't know how your vote will end. but nevertheless , there will definitely be security guarantees. will they be sufficient and acceptable for us? that's another question

, but that they won't be e- eh in the previous and that they will not be political obligations that they will include at least the concept of ukraine which will be armed and which will be connected with the event eh actually a new meaning eh qualitative eh both in terms of security and in terms of of defense cooperation, it is already obvious any cooperation, whatever it may be, cannot replace nato because this musketeer principle is one for all and all for one. it is the only thing that keeps any community based on common values ​​and now there is no alternative to nato. if you want, i am sure that i will provide an alternative it will not be in a year, not in two, not in five. nato has an absolutely unique quality, but nevertheless

we need to go through a transition period. i would very much like the guarantees for us to be the same as a candidate, even if we are not directly called a country that starts the donation movement vilnius and here i would not get attached to where exactly there. i would very much like the americans to say, let's give ukraine the same guarantees as we gave to finland and sweden, or think about how to change them, since they don't have to be perfectly identical, of course, we understand the difference in the situation, but in essence, in the content they should be exactly like that and here we are talking about whether it will be freedom or will it be um later it will be earlier it is actually important but not critical for me it is important that you really remember this wind as scorpions began to sing once he began to sing about

the wind of change in moscow and now he sings in a completely different way now he sings about ukraine this is the wind i feel it is changing in france it is changing in germany not as fast as we would like but they are starting to talk about us as part of the western world, this understanding is gradually coming and macron's speech was very, very revealing, and for me, in fact, if you will, it was macron's most ambitious and positive speech since the war. i mean the public one speech and this from the french president is worth something, mr. pavlo, you said that in this yet another direct speech of macron, he said that the west should look with these other eyes, with real eyes , at the euro-european integration processes of ukraine, in your opinion as an expert

are there any other real eyes in europe right now, hahahaha, cool question, of course there are eyes. so far, there is no consensus on how not to repeat the mistakes made in the previous reality regarding the western balkans. where is this process? turned into something like that for the sake of the process and in some small political squabbles without an ambitious understanding of what europe is actually about, and we will probably remember today exactly those who were in moldova, and the summit in moldova is about defining what it is today because of one thing let's talk about the question, behave politely, i just said that we will discuss this issue yes, i will just finish this opinion

, because in france, this is what i feel from my friends, acquaintances, they understood that to drag with this endlessly and apply in advance of the tactics, it does not make sense, it does not mean that someone will give us some kind of geopolitical or other discounts, but the process itself is already seen in a different way. europe as such is seen in a different way. we need to change the decision-making mechanism within the eu, we need to change the european union itself, but actually our european integration has become such a driving factor. for this, they understood that the impost needs to change for the 21st century and it is not necessary to set it as a condition

what conditions must be understood, what the european union must understand , and what is europe in the 21st century. and what is needed in order for europe to be remembered somewhere in africa on the same level as the united states and china as the same player - we are very interested in this , since we we become a part of europe, informal and then formal, that is, macron thinks that we are drinking, he wants to be the driver of this new europe. i do not even rule out that he will go there someday in the future, i don't know what the name of this position of some kind will be the european president when there will be uh when there will be elections he will run his company maybe in ukraine and we will see who to support, that is, we live in an era when

the european union itself wants to reinvent itself and it cannot be done without ukraine uh, this is really it indeed, that's right, mr. pavlo, they still have two direct speeches in order to discuss another topic. first, let's take the direct speeches from the meeting of foreign ministers of nato member countries that took place last week in the capital of norway, oslo, and first let's listen to what was said during this meetings, the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance jenstonberg in don't whens butterfly the war will end, but we must make sure that when this happens we will have reliable mechanisms to guarantee the security of ukraine, they will break the circle of russian aggression, the details of how it will look, what mechanisms will be used are still being agreed upon the idea is to prevent

history from repeating itself, to prevent russian president putin from continuing to undermine european security, this is the goal, and then we discussed the means to achieve it, briefly, that we are not let's get in the way, the russian president needs to continue undermining european security, and now another direct speech from the minister of foreign affairs, the new minister of foreign affairs of estonia, margos tsagne. we very clearly support the idea of ​​providing ukraine with a detailed path to joining nato as a full member. of ukraine after the war, and we need to send a clear signal that there will no longer be any gray areas in the neighborhood with russia, that is, mr. pavlo, look, listen

other direct conditions from this meeting, i.e. such a clear message that the victory of ukraine is not only the victory of ukraine in the war with russia for the aggressive war with russia , but it is the victory of the whole of europe, or can we say that this is already such a consensus, a consensus attitude in europe is honored, it is still being formed, that is, everyone has their own logic, what does the victory of europe in this war mean, and for everyone it is absolutely clear that allowing russia to raise the stakes again will be the defeat of the whole of europe, the toltenberg process, just now in a completely direct text, that is, we are now talking about whether the accession of ukraine to nato will be delayed with a transition period from a new one with a new meaning of guarantees and these guarantees

, sorry for the slang, should break putin and any other regime that can to be in russia at all, to even think about attacking europe. and in this sense, we belong to the european and trans-atlantic strike, will there be any other option, but in fact, what was the discussion , what was the discussion that is happening now, it is inclined to the fact that during the war, of course in nato cannot make a decision about our entry and cannot start a discussion about the specifics, or of course does not want to. i believe that the world is changing very quickly and that the impossible vorskla can be important important vilnius that the impossible freedom can become important during

uh, next year in washington, that is, in fact, the world uh, with its own red lines that it sets for itself, then tries to adhere to it, then tries to somehow jump over it, the main thing is not to set yourself endless labyrinths of red lines and have an ambitious vision and that an ambitious vision, it is not yet taking shape, and this is the meaning of your question. but nevertheless, it is starting to be discussed and it is clear to everyone that it is impossible to return to the status of gray areas, because these areas have a tendency to explode, they provoke putin to do what, and then try to destabilize and us and europe and remember what putin wanted before the war to return to the status quo of 1997, this means having all of

central europe as a certain zone of common neighborhood there with europe, with the united states , that is, they claimed to return to europe, er, to the situation after the second world war. and now they are talking about how to somehow isolate them there within today 's borders. and what will happen next, we will actually see, this strategic isolation is actually becoming, er, the key strategy of the west against russia, and in russia it is starting it's not easy to understand in russia, they are starting to feel it. look, what are the results of the restriction of oil and gas exports in russia today

, gas prices are falling for the eighth week. in perspective and china is also making a mess of putin's head, and it is completely frank and rude and says, well, we want to install gas in china. well , then give us nebuvalia discounts . with discounts, and there was such a very significant meeting of the apec this weekend, and the topic of e -e is out of sight directly, even though it is in the eyes, they accuse her of manipulating statistics in an attempt to export more oil at discounts in order to somehow balance her budget and her expenses

for the war with us. it means that in fact russia enters into conflict with many people, not only in the western world, but also outside the western world. for example, it becomes with the same saudi arabia, which clearly plays into our hands , and it is very important for us that russia is seen not only in the western world as such a bully without rules, which is actually ready for anything and which cannot be trusted, it will be very, very useful later when we talk about the responsibility of russia, and this cannot be done only within the framework of the western world, it is clear , mr. pavlo, and now we have such innovations now we will always interrupt our program somewhere in the middle for a short commercial break , after which we will continue the conversation with you and