[000:00:00;00] and those who care, in the evening, the war in ukraine is the main topic for ukrainians, victories and losses, analysis and forecasts, politics and geopolitics, serhii rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this, people who have information and shape public opinion, people who defend ukraine and create the future, the main and interesting thing is now in the verdict program serhiy rudenko from june 5 on weekdays at 20:00, repeat at 12:10 this is the world during the war and we are back again live on the espresso tv channel and also on the air on youtube with me in contact minister of foreign affairs

of ukrainian affairs 2014-2019 pavlo klimkin mr. pavlyk thank you for being with us well, before i ask you this question and start discussing it yourself moldova i just want to briefly remind the viewers that on youtube we asked them a question or will ukraine receive security guarantees from nato yes no your option your option can be read in the comments well and after the program is broadcast so mr. pavlo e.e. moldova the summit of the european political community was attended by the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi let's listen to what he said first, we talked about our bilateral relations, about the main priority projects that we will sign in the near future, i think it is very important to emphasize that our future is in the eu and ukraine is ready to be in nato. we are waiting for the alliance to be ready to accept our country. in my opinion, guarantees security is very important not only for ukraine, but also for our neighbors, in particular for

moldova, russia and its aggression carries risks for other parts of europe as well, and here he stood next to the president of moldova and has a reputation let's listen to what she also said at this forum, here only 20 km from ukraine , we united to confirm our common and firm determination to return europe to peace , today we demonstrated our strength and unity at a time when the stability of our continent is under threat, we demonstrated that we united against the biggest military aggressor since world war ii and against violations of international law, we informed president zelensky that we will stand by ukraine as long as necessary as the president of moldova and i i am convinced that if due to the resistance and courage of ukraine, my own country would be in danger, mr. pavlo, we can say that right here on

this forum such a serious concrete pro-ukrainian anti-russian coalition was formed. a kind of good such gift for moldova because it allows showing europe's interests in moldova - it allows president sandu to repel russian attacks and repel russia's attempts to destabilize moldova and turn it into a mess in some variants of the russian enclave and i also believe that in fact we are a guarantee of security for moldova this is how we talk about security guarantees from nato from the west we are

ukrainians and ukraine is a guarantee of security for moldova we are a chance for moldova to become european and let's be honest and i i don't want to offend our moldovan friends, but nevertheless they got the prospect of membership in the eu thanks to us and together with us, that's why the coalition is such a european coalition with moldova for the european future, it will definitely be to work, there are no other options for the european future without us, moldova clearly does not have and stick to each other as european countries we have and will also mr. pavlo and why, for example, it seems so to me , it is my personal opinion that moldova delayed for a very long time what you said

to stick together for one why is it because in moldova, unfortunately, russian attitudes, pro-russian influences are very, very powerful there , and unfortunately there is sympathy for russia, especially among those who worked in russia, there are russian criminal networks, all pro-russian parties they are semi-criminal students, they know whether they are black or gray, but there are certainly many abnormal colors there, and russia has been working on this for a very, very long time, so i think that moldova is not an easy country in this sense, for the future european integration, moldova must get rid of its dependence on gazprom, on russian gas, on russian gas market, so far she has not done this, unlike us, and focusing on her will mean that

moldova has a mind where it is very clear who is her friend and who is her enemy, and i don't have sandu. i mean every citizen of this country, it's like the session choice for them, just as we made it, it is not an easy choice, but to see how many leaders of european countries are in moldova, and they did not just sacrifice their time, we came there in order to, as you said, cement european moldova in order for it to followed this course very consistently, so that all russian efforts to turn moldova into a pro-russian mess never came true , it is clear that mr. pavlonovu was obviously talking about europe, now we need to talk a little

about ours, to the great regret of such neighbors north and north-east, i mean belarus, look at russia. last week , there was a statement from the self-proclaimed president of belarus, alexander lukashenko. let's listen to this statement first . to this, it is probably our only problem that we did not solve this problem in 14-15, when there was no army in ukraine, no readiness against everything , they wanted to settle it peacefully in some way, during this time they created a capable armed force i.e. look, mr. pavlo, the self-proclaimed former spoke about the fact that the only thing that can cross the border between belarus and ukraine is belarusian tractors, now he says that it is a pity that we did not resolve this issue, it is obvious that it is a shame that we did not resolve

this issue together with putin earlier in in 2014-2015, in your opinion, this is another statement by hryhorovych al lukashenko, or could there be something behind it, but pay attention even to your video, and i saw a longer uh-uh from everyone sitting at the table, i will not say the representative in russian there, but something i don't feel any inspiration from lukashenka's words, that's it, they're there, their eyes are somehow at the table and they're looking at the table and they're looking and they're probably thinking about their own, you know what, mr. pavlo, i feel even when you look at the representative of russia and finally he's like that glassy looked at lukashenka with his eyes and got the impression that he was thinking to himself at that moment why am i even sitting here now? but pay attention, do you remember

that infamous er-e radbes russian where nareshkin was confused there, as they say in the shows, and putin tried to guide him on the way the real russian way, well, this is their question, let them instruct themselves, it is very important for us that lukashenko started talking about our mistake, that is, he, er, identifies himself with putin's russia, in this i think it is not accidental and silence on the part of lukashenko well, it is unlikely that he too experienced. he has an animal sense of power, he understands what to say. and if he says it, well, he probably feels a threat from russia. they say that he has health problems. there are many speculations, which we ourselves will not reproduce here. but russia 100

100% even 101% you can take advantage of this and try to change the situation in belarus, at least nuclear weapons can be located there , at least the preparations for this are going on and on, as far as we understand, not just herbal and at the words of putin to get at least one small victory when he cannot receive anything in ukraine , lukashenko will be important - he understands this perfectly and he will say what is actually expected of him, as they expect not so much in belarus , because there he is in the information space controls as in other realities, especially in russia, and uh, i'm not an expert in belarusian, uh , what my expert friends say there is that lukashenko

controls the special services, but less and less controls the armed forces, so in fact he will now issue uh, whatever -what are the statements that protect him from some non-trivial development of events, and i think that all these statements well , they are actually skyrim's attempts to protect himself personally, to protect his family and to protect his assets, which he used there when he managed the belarusian collective farm. i would not accept uh, super serious from the point of view of the political position there, i would perceive it as

lukashenka's desire to maneuver in that situation when his maneuver is getting narrower and narrower. the union state of belarus and ukraine well , it was he who answered very nicely, let's hear the answer, then the question the other day, the president of the republic of belarus, oleksandr matcha lukashenko , offered to join the union govt. well, i'll appreciate the minibus. i think that there is no need for this, according to the sound, there are other integration associations, first of all, the european economic union . as for nuclear weapons, they are not necessary. faithful obligations within the framework of these international documents, well, first of all, trolling of the highest order on the part of president martokayev is slanting what lukashenko said as he i said it is considered a great joke, but we are not talking about the fact that he uttered such

words. since we joined the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons and the treaty on the prohibition of nuclear weapons tests, we remain faithful to our obligations within the framework of these international documents. pavel well, this well, such a direct accusation against lukashenka and their putin. well, there was no union, but at least such partnership relations are bursting at the seams , the truth is, in fact, just an elegant ambassador lukashenko. well, i can’t even do it otherwise to evaluate, he clearly said yes, well, they are kidding themselves there, maybe, but as translated into normal language, kazakhstan is not going to join the union state in any capacity, this is what he said, this is the second thing, he said that kazakhstan does not need nuclear weapons

because it is against international law and to directly accuse lukashenka of violating this international law and putin is normal, well, putin doesn't care anymore, he violated everything he could and couldn't, but lukashenka actually violates key provisions because it's one thing if five of us have weapons completely was controlled by russia, but they are trying to talk about belarusian planes working with belarusians as well, that they should be involved in this, so from the point of view of international law, no one should have any doubts that belarus fundamentally violates the key principles of international law, and if it violates, it must to follow this punishment, what kind of punishment will it be, will it be simply more sanctions, or will it be on

you a deterrence strategy for belarus, what is now in belarus should be included in nato's nuclear deterrence strategy, about which by the way, they will also talk about arbitrariness at the summit - this is also obvious, since belarus is becoming a source of threat to all western countries, and this is raising the stakes, which lukashenka hardly went by himself. -he once again elegantly noted that he is increasingly placing the blame on china, we can see this a few days ago there was a summit of china-central asian countries and i think that in the future central asia will turn into a zone of indirect chinese influence, but

lukashenko is actually drifting to the point that the union state to turn into a single state and i think that putin set such a condition for him and such a plan exists for how long and when it will last, we have already talked about it, in my opinion , what are the options, but it is actually very sad, i think that the belarusians, who have a fundamentally different mentality than the russians definitely deserved it. i believe that the belarusians, despite all the soviet and other influences, they were still once in the middle ages in the same state as us, they should define themselves as europeans in their dna. so you are not in your dna the cossacks do not have an unceasing desire for freedom like ours, but they are still not russian in mentality and i think that the desire to eat

belarus will then come out through some other place there in russia. this step, and then he was sent through this step , well, it's very cool, mr. pavlo, we have literally about three minutes left, even less , i wanted to talk about whispering, but time is running out, a little, a little, let's first listen to what one resident said shchebekina, and then i have a question for you. i have never seen such horror, and it’s just that there is shelling from tanks. well, what happened? we were told that it was an estonian, because you know that there are no explosions, guys, but it’s just a nightmare. i don’t understand where it’s flying from, what’s flying and many of them, these residents, these people say that he is flying

from the territory of ukraine, pavlo klinkin returned to us , mr. pavlo, there are some problems, look, i understand if she said that, for example, i heard one more direct speech the woman who spoke for what ukrainian nazis are shelling our country, i understand if the residents of novy urengoy, for example, were to say that, who frankly sneeze at what is happening in ukraine, because it is very far from them here, but the residents of shchebekino are two steps away from ukraine, and they know exactly what is happening, for example, in kharkiv. who is doing this, namely their russian army and then to talk like this please tell me we are not doctors to diagnose such russians but maybe let's diagnose them why i think this should pass as a diagnosis we we understand very well that russians are people who lack empathy for the most part, we can see that they have no feeling for

the people around them when i see these photos of russian women in fur coats that were given to them for murdered children well, this is actually, uh, no, no, a conversation about the difference between european and russian of values ​​- this is a conversation about what is their pavlo only half a minute left, that's why i think that it's not a diagnosis here, everyone is fine everything is clear, it's a different reality and this reality will have to be reloaded later with your hands but did not reload without reloading this reality we will never feel safe neither we nor the west ani in the end it will make itself and i am sure that this should be our arguments in any discussions and our arguments actions but we have shown that we can it we can do it and it's good from what you said during the program that our colleagues and partners understand that this

reality needs to be rebooted and it will be rebooted and i think that they will continue to act although gradually and evolutionary but very clearly and consistently exactly yes, thank you mr. pavlo for taking part in today's program pavlo klimkin minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-2019 they talked about the most important things that happened in the world last week and the same what to expect next week so very soon i will tell you about how you voted answered the question we asked you a question whether ukraine will receive security guarantees from nato 284 people voted 61% believe that they will receive it 35% believe that they will not receive your option you wrote it 5%, you

wrote in the comments, so go to the comments e-e under this video. glory to ukraine , this is a verdict program , my name is serhiy rudenko. good day and good health to all. comes out of the reservoir and floods the villages and cities along the dnieper, it is about 80 settlements, the russians, who control this dam since the first day of the great war, planted explosives in it as early as the fall of 22 year they blame the ukrainian side although no one has any doubt who exactly blew up the hydroelectric plant against this background the united nations announced the day of the russian language because pushkin was born today and the un

decided to celebrate the language day of our neighbor and instead of reacting in a flash to another act of terrorism muscovites celebrated the day of speaking russian once again , the lack of a strong world reaction to the explosion of the khust hydroelectric power plant will obviously lead to an even greater environmental disaster on the planet because it is obvious that the russians are not limited to the kakhov hpp and there will obviously be new acts of terrorism from the aggressor country and only a collective attack on the face of the russian invaders can stop them until the world understands that not only ukraine but the whole planet is under threat, meanwhile, russia and in the future

continues to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, russia has already lost 211,150 people in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 800 orks with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 3,860 tanks, 7,543 armored fighting vehicles in ukraine, 3,603 artillery systems 590 rocket salvo systems 351 means against air defense 313 airplanes 299 helicopters 6332 two units of automobile equipment 18 ships of boats 1136 cruise missiles - 3212 drones 489 units of special equipment so the russians destroyed the kakhova hpp, the threat of flooding

80 settlements in the kherson region and chi moscow is preparing to escape stage we will talk about other things during the next hour i want to introduce today's our first guest - this is political technologist oleksiy holobutsky plexiu good evening and good health to you thank you for being on our air good evening congratulations the biggest man-made ecological disaster of this millennium that is how the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky described the explosion of the kakhova hpp. from the outside, including shelling . it was impossible and the russians were preparing for more than a year to blow up this object and create an ecological catastrophe. we will hear volodymyr

zelenskyi and this is the most dangerous terrorist in the world, and therefore the defeat of russia, the defeat that we will ensure anyway, will be the most important contribution to the security of our region with you, our europe and the whole world . was the reaction today to what happened to the kakhov hpp from european structures and from the world sufficient, i mentioned for a reason here is about the un, which today celebrates the day of the russian language well, of course, it seems to us that the reaction is not enough, but we must understand that the un is such a bureaucratic structure that reacts very slowly and the reaction will be yes i understand, today there will be a meeting of the security council, it seems so, on this matter, we will hear general words again, probably about the fact that it is bad that this is happening and that it is not necessary

to continue to act like this, but with regard to european countries, well, in principle, that is what i heard. well, of course , everyone everyone is excited in one way or another, but they must understand that these are the consequences of this disaster, they will continue in time, so to speak, and it will not overflow, so to speak, or be blown up somewhere in the territory of europe or the united states, this is happening in in ukraine, hundreds of thousands of people die every day in crimes in russia, many are committed simply. is blowing up a hydroelectric power plant the biggest crime? well, that 's the question. yes, it's a crime. of course, it's the destruction of the infrastructure , the consequences are huge for this economy, for the ecology, the consequences that

ukraine will suffer for ten years. maybe even longer, because we don't know what will happen there when it all dries up, what was there at the bottom of the industrial district, it is clear that the plus side is a lot of questions that are probably still in the west are being studied in europe but we have what we have well, in general, i will say unfortunately, this has been going on for almost a year and a half, and here, well, i don’t know what is here, probably an explosion or an accident at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant has already ruled out some kind of more serious reaction or something similar. and tell me... here is the absence of such a lightning-fast and harsh reaction from the west that we hope for. well, of course they have their own problems there, but the ecology, er, about which we are now

talking about the destruction of the kakhovskaya hpp well , one way or another, it will affect our neighbors as well it is obvious to bulgaria and other european countries that are in the black sea basin in one way or another that the lack of this operational reaction is not a sign that russia will look at what, well, no one is reacting, we bombed uh or blew up the kakhov hpp , then we will go to another hpp, then we will get there to the zaporizhzhya npp, that is, the absence of this reaction will not give rise to other unpunished crimes and allow russia to commit even worse crimes that can lead to another disaster, and it is simply difficult for me to imagine what means of reaction, that is, what can to propose an event, e.e., in a collective event, believes that

there is not everything, so to speak, not everyone agrees, not everyone sticks to the same line, there are a lot of things, that is why he said today that he is going to call putin in the near future, there are different views, absolutely the maximum sanctions that could be introduced which are not enough, of course, but which the west considers sufficient in order not to harm their own economies, so they lead and lead and all expect some results later, of course , what other sanctions can be imposed, well, that is , what is left is to ban it hmm, the sale of raw materials, oil, gas, in general, so to speak, but again , this is, well, this will raise the price of these products all over the world, and so otherwise, we hit the economies of developed countries again, that is, we also

need to understand what what an instant reaction, all the more so, again, well, the process is still ongoing. we still don't know yet, we see terrible footage, eh, under the flooded cities , villages, eh, i don't know the sacrifice yet, but i understand her victims and all this will be well, i hope that some kind of reaction will take place in the next few days only for the ecology of ukraine. in general, this applies to the whole world . it does not even stand from the point of view of the global . yes, what can raise these clouds with unknown things. when it dries up , everything can rise and go to bulgaria , romania, maybe even further, this is agriculture that is based on this to the water, so to speak well, this does not only apply to the left bank, this applies to the right bank