[000:00:00;00] to destroy the ukrainian plazdarm, maybe there was a balkar on the islands or in the velichkiv area , we heard earlier that it was in the mass media, maybe they wanted to achieve this, but you know, the destruction of the dam is a rather ungrateful thing. they must have washed away their line of defense, they did not calculate at all nothing, well, did they want to do it that way or in a different way, it's hard to say, but probably they aimed to stop the ukrainian troops that were already on the left bank, well, that's the only reason could force them to do it, there would be no point for them at all, that is, they tried so hard, well, that was, do you think, the main idea was to stop the ukrainian offensive of the ukrainian troops? well

, right up to such hysteria. well, in principle, i also think so. i think that they thought that they would succeed take some such limited actions to stop the actions of the ukrainian troops on the islands, but as a result , they caused more of a disaster than they wanted. and now they have done worse to themselves because , first, they lowered the water level in of the kakhovsky reservoir and in the end they deprived the crimea of ​​water forever technical water er secondly, by draining the kakhovsky reservoir they returned the dnieper to the channel it was in before 1955. that is, it is no longer 9 km and it is much less,

ferries can be built there, translated for the ukrainian mood is not immediately, but when it dries up a little, not everywhere there was enough, somewhere there was a place there before and it needs a little water to save and dry up , in this way they caused damage not only uh, let's say yes, uh, ecology, but their own military affairs if they wanted to achieve a military some result, they did the exact opposite, they shot themselves in the foot. well, if it wasn't always their own actions, so they wouldn't do it. they always, uh, do something the opposite, in this case, the same thing, that is, they increased aid to ukraine, they showed that they well, as they say in our country well, a little crazy, they are very dangerous for the whole world, not only for ukraine , and from a military point of view, they have deprived themselves of logistical routes, and secondly, they have actually opened up

the ukrainian armed forces, not immediately , for two months, it will dry up. the former channel which was under er, also with which reservoir and this will give the opportunity to already make crossings there for the demilitarization of the forces of ukraine, that is, i think that ours will plan er crossings there too , that is, i will use this moment for the benefit of the armed forces of ukraine after two this is enough and there may be more, well, you know, i wouldn't be in a hurry to say that they haven't achieved anything. and this only makes it worse for them, because , you know, these two months they can safely, well, it seems to me to withdraw the troops from the defense of this shade and transfer to where they are

they are waiting under the same ugledar, for example. could this be the purpose of this, the whole story is not sure that they will be able to collect the troops that got there, then the equipment that they sunk there, because they acted somehow spontaneously, they did not withdraw their equipment, you can see they didn't know the new flooding zone, they didn't understand how large-scale this flooding would be, they actually destroyed their equipment on our lines, how did they collect their personnel on boats and save them? that they will leave the personnel there in the south of the kherson region, who were there, because they understand very well that the back water will recede there in two weeks and the dnipro will enter its channel as it was, as long as they did not

try to stop there, they will just come in due time well removed these points that relate to possible emergency situations, including on the dams of ukraine, so i am sure that everything will be there. a little not as they plan and they did not have the necessary qualifications to do what they did, but they can in this case, stop our armed forces of ukraine for a maximum of 2 weeks in this direction, no more. here we are joined by roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the verkhovna rada's committee on national defense and colonel of the sbu p roman you are there right now, you may have heard part of our discussion with mr. mykhailo, his expectation is that, you see, the russians did not receive any benefits from the fact that they blew up

the dam of the kakhov reservoir, but do you really think that the russians, well, let's say that they destroyed their first line there, because well, for example, i have the impression that they, on the contrary, were preparing for this fact , that is, that they withdrew some of their troops from there, that they withdrew their equipment, at least we did not see any personnel in such sunken russian military equipment, nothing like that. we haven't seen how you evaluate this yet . well, i haven't heard much about what you're talking about, but i'll specifically answer your question . what i think is that i'm right now in kherson, we're watching what's happening here and now the main thing is that they are trying to save the people who remained on those islands between the right and left banks, and this is a very difficult situation because there are trees with roots, houses, cars floating there, even

there there may still be many mines that were torn away from this bank, which now they have completely closed let's say it's the shipbuilding there at your own peril and fish as far as the russians are concerned did they know, well, look, i work here, i work with the guys directly on let's say the destruction of their equipment on that side and recently we really saw, we didn't know then what to do with it, that they moved to a certain distance, they suffered heavy losses and moved their equipment to , let's say, a certain number of kilometers there , tens of kilometers before that, they were closer. we thought this is because they are showing losses. yes, now it turns out to be a plus, we see that they are digging in other places , and we were surprised that they have a front line completely dug in, and they are digging in other higher places, well, we understand that they were preparing, including the equipment we really don't have it there

we don't see a lot of equipment that something flooded, they took it away plus we saw signals, including by interception when e there was a day or two before the dam was blown up they said there they did not notify that if the dams were blown up when they said we are following the commander we are following the water level we are following the water level, well, so that they did not suddenly find themselves in a flooding situation, they were just warned in this way , which benefits are temporary, for sure, the water has drunk up very much now, and the distance between their lids has increased a lot, we them inflicted very large artillery losses there with hadrons, plus this one was destroyed. again, the military invented it, not a humanitarian one, there is no destroyed, the only connection between the right and left bank of the dnieper is the molokohov dam, which was practically from kherson to zaporizhzhia, there are no land connections anymore, yes in order not to get your feet wet and this was theoretically also it who was more

threatened by the enemy to attack really he she did not have strong means he is capable uh-uh theoretically or if we could capture theoretically we could, for example, through her to accumulate resources already there by force, that's why they mined, they understand that they have such a problem, that's why there are some temporary benefits, of course, but in general the consequences , because i think we will understand then. will there be large floods or will it simply dry up and the river will become even narrower than it was, but then after that we will only be able to draw conclusions, who will tell us what the benefits will be, how will you continue to develop combat operations, what tactics will be used it is on these in this direction that we have to let mr. mykhailo prytula go. thank you, and mr. roman, to you, eh, then you may have seen a message from eh, they wrote that it was like eh, the armed forces of ukraine were preparing a special operation to

capture the kakhovskaya hpp so that they would not to allow the russians to blow it up, that's exactly how it was formulated in the bill . in this way, it seems that the armed forces wanted to prevent the washing away of their pontoon crossings, which they were planning to send across the dnipro, and the detonation for 1-2 weeks will make it difficult to create crossings, because it is not clear what it is happening there, and in this way the flanks of the russians are now protected from the armed forces, just evaluate this plan to what extent it is fantastic, not fantastic , you have already started to talk about it a little bit, about the fact that the armed forces of ukraine were preparing to seize the dam well, we actually understood how the speech would end. we knew that it is mined, if it can lead to a disaster there, if it is there to storm, one is wrong , one is wrong, some wrong actions are, in fact, a man-made disaster, which we are not, we cannot allow

to happen on our land, the russians are all the same we see, that's why i heard such a thing, but i have no confirmation that such information is true, i will say yes, i know a lot, but they work here, and it's literally from here, how many 50 km away , such operations cannot go unnoticed, i have no information that such an operation is really being prepared there p. roman and tell me how likely it is that the russians will now have such an opportunity to withdraw part of their forces from this kherson direction and transfer them somewhere else , that is, whether in this way they really protected themselves from possible ukrainian actions in this can we wait for the danger? it is not likely. look, maybe there are some small units there, they don’t have that many units, not so much, let’s say, they are such a large number so that they can maneuver there a lot. it is possible that they can transfer some number, but it is as if there are a lot of them on some flank . i don't think so, to be honest, that's why it's difficult to say now

that they will maneuver, that's what i said at the beginning. let's see how it ends . let's say the consequences of this disaster will be visible in a few weeks when the water will rise when everything calms down when the sun will be effective i saw that the water rises after that the topography of the area changed where it became for example it is possible here now the water will rise and there in lviv if you choose before there was the highest highest section of the dnipro there 280 m. perhaps it will now be 10 m and the enemy understands that he will be put there, for example , on the contrary, it will be necessary to transfer troops here in order to hold this area, and perhaps , on the contrary, the dnipro will break like this and it will not go into the sea and we will have dozens of kilometers of flooded swamp there from that area, which in fact will not be possible there in any way . well, to overcome that, of course, and there may be less than a year ago, i think the consequences will show everything, in

a few weeks we will understand and against we will understand how the hostilities will develop in the future in this direction. well, we see what kind of humanitarian consequences for the ukrainian part of kherson, it caused not only for kherson, mykolaiv to touch kryvyi rih where the water problems started a-a but how you see how well, from what you can see from what you learn, uh, how do the russians feel about the fact that, well, several towns were flooded from their well , which side do they control at all , is this humanitarian disaster problematic for the russians at all, or are they just they don't care. well, just like they don't care in belgorod. well, there's a fuck or a fuck, well, let's face it, because there, we were very happy with the interception somewhere that we washed the dill, we washed the dill, and then once we understood the situation and didn't say to turn on the water, let's say yes

we blew them up, we didn't tell them we would peck at our special composition , they warned us, told us some watch the water level, but it wasn't specifically said whether they went to storm the islands that are located between the right and left bank of the dnieper, at this moment our the defense forces repulsed their assault, at that moment the water had already gone full speed and they realized that they somehow started to leave there because they realized that they were being flooded by their own, well , they did not say anything about it, they said to carry out combat tasks, so what could it be in the russians, the reaction is that they have now gone there to safe places. as far as i know , they practically do not evacuate the local population of the local population. well, on the other side of kherson, because nothing is happening there, the russians don't do anything on that side, that's normal. and i think that the biggest in general, you know, such cynicism is to hit people during the evacuation. so, when

during the evacuation, they just started bombing, this is this i just can't get my head around it, say something like that again. what do you think about how - if we talk about it further - i understand that now it is very difficult to understand all the consequences . from the point of view of the possibilities for the defense of crimea for the russians, er, it can somehow er, change the situation in some way, or, well, it does not apply in any way, how do you assess the catastrophes of the russians who came there to er save ukraine from the nationalists and destroyed it completely in fact the left bank, and here is the rural economy, once again, people, it is the people of fate, killed many people, and then if we say that they always have some kind of pragmatic planning

, they destroyed the agricultural damage . here in the south, it was very big , especially it's just the novokakhov dam of the hpp - it was there as a secondary one. yes, what produced electricity is the main thing - it is, after all , a reservoir that provided irrigation here . such an area is risky agriculture. in fact, it was all destroyed further to crimea, about which they were shouting all the time as to which they were there in the minsk agreements or had some kind of agreement with us in order to pay for water, but they have not yet destroyed any plans about e-e water at all in the crimea, about those people they call their own and all that, and i show them cynically once again that for the sake of their plans they will pay no attention to anything. that they destroyed

the ecology well, they did not destroy, let's say so damaged our crimean peninsula and the left coast quite badly. in general, now we need to localize these consequences, which are there, and then see how we can restore everything later, mr. roman, but further on there a little bit . which already applies even more to the donetsk region, er. what do you think, this dam detonation is somehow in a position to influence the course of hostilities in that area? that is, what is er, fate looks like, we can now, this direction can influence exactly see if the dam was blown up exactly just blowing up the dam as an ecological disaster. i doubt it because well, well, only in the sense that if there is really a large spill and we have to, we will be able to transfer some troops there, or let’s say so, we won’t

be able to force it, then of course it won’t be able to release against some part of the troops from the crimea or from this direction and transfer them there, that's it, that's what i think it can affect . of course, if it's different, then he should, on the contrary, that they will have to transfer them here again so that we, er, in this direction will not be able to develop. if now some areas will open where we can force calmly and make a bridgehead, for example, in this sense. but i think that the main directions for the next one will be in other cities where there is no dnieper , where there are no rivers. planters and combine harvesters, tell me whether, in principle , the leopards reached the front. because they destroyed them. that's their style. but did they manage to reach me? now the phone is charging. you ask whether

they reached the front. i'm just wondering if they could you have information about their direct participation already in the hostilities, but what they will say to the readiness. i know this. in the brigades that are preparing for the offensive, eh, that is, to say that the russians could have already seen the offensive and that's why they started it, they arranged this undermining of the dam . they did it rather well how uh in such a panic uh it didn't happen it was simple i'll say the more my noch i have we slept when such actions we don't stand for much and here we were sleeping i got a call that the russians blew up the dam and read to everyone and began to think about what the world should do with such people clash against you fight you fight as if i already understood every day what you do there you shoot there you run there you plan and here the dam is blown up and you switch let's say from military operations

to humanitarian ones that rescue this russia is blowing up the dam this is more of a psychological operation informational and psychological well that's what they wanted combined here, we need to figure out why , first of all, they really decided to close all the roads, including the new kakhov dam , including, for example, to divert attention from the counterattack by means of these roads, they are trying to it is possible to stop our counteroffensive. in this way, they will destroy what i said in the future . what are our other hydroelectric power plants? they moved them before. i already said that in the winter, we all remember such a power plant with missile strikes. that is, to completely deprive us of energy

, well, that is, there is also an increase in peace, and why there is an increase in missile strikes, an increase in everything, that is, it should probably be considered as a single such complex the destruction of our distant tules. well, not only distant ones, but telef . that's right. that's how we have to understand thermal power. will not be able to cover all the needs, let's say. what do we have , they are deputies and the colonel of the security service is there in the south in kherson, and that is why he told us in such sufficient detail about what is happening, how

exactly it happened andriy yanivskyi from an economic economic program on the espresso tv channel. i wouldn't say that with news and discussion of news, today we will rather talk with two experts , mykhailo demkiv from the analytical e-e from the icq invest group. and he himself is a financial analyst, and yevhen dubogryzam, a financial expert , mr. are you with us while you are while you are joining yes, i see mykhailo on the screen and we see yevgeny too. it's great, so we can't avoid such a story as the explosion of the kakhovka hpp during the conversation, and it's clear that

it's too early to talk about the financial consequences to calculate the damages, but i have already seen the figures that the damage was done. well, in the amount of up to a billion dollars. oh, i'm sorry, it still seems like hryvnias that will have to be spent on the restoration of this hydroelectric power station. maybe you have seen and heard other estimates. you can talk about other damage that was done . good morning, and i will ask the studio to turn on the air for me, and i can’t hear a little bit well, andrei. so, the situation with the kakhov reservoir is, of course, developing dynamically, for sure. we don’t know the full scale of the disaster yet, but we can understand uh, two points - the first one is related to uh, actually water for consumption, for consumption, uh, primarily by agriculture. i already see preliminary estimates of just about half a million hectares of water of the ukrainian rooster, which was fed in

a better time by this reservoir and accordingly, the future of these lands is now in question plus humanitarian issues , many settlements used to draw their water from this reservoir and now they are stupidly losing it and there are problems with water and the third point is actually an energy dam in the early days, the hydroelectric power station itself generated electricity, but also the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, which we know is located on the shore of this reservoir, and the reservoirs with water that were used for cooling are also now will be washed away, and this is not even an economic issue, but rather a technical one, what is the future of this station, how will it

be able to survive this uh, about this problem and what will be the future generation already in post-war ukraine, mr. yevgeny, mr. yevheny does not have with us something, some interruptions in the connection , in the meantime i will read a little more about the economic consequences. hm, in particular, such a telegram channel can advise on the economy. well, the prompt is the same as that issued by the center for economic strategy, another analytical structure, and here they write that in there will be consequences in such spheres as energy, well, it is clear that this is a hydroelectric power plant that has its own capacities , the agricultural sector, the agricultural sector, mr. mykhailo mentioned the logistics along the dnipro, accordingly

, some fixed routes have already been laid along this kakhovsky reservoir, but now they are not i understand whether it will be possible to transport goods there, how and along which routes, and the industry will also suffer losses because the enterprise of kryvyi rih and dnipropetrovsk region in general, they took water for their work from that reservoir, in particular, arcelor mittel kryvyi rih has already sent part of its staff to remote work due to the stoppage of water supply p yevgeny, what can be added to this list, what economic consequences do you see from the russians blowing up the kakhovka hpp good morning, what i liked the most yes, what comment is this, the group's comment was not in what other slaves appear in forbes and he said that at this stage we simply cannot estimate all losses, all losses are short-term and long-term. and this is

that the long-term losses from this russian terrorist attack, yes, they will be higher, definitely higher than the short-term ones. in a few days, of course, the flood will subside, but the consequences of this whole story will have to be dealt with for a long time. you know, yesterday there were a lot of different forecasts, and the forecasts ranged from bad to very bad to generally apocalyptic predictions of maps, i am here personally for some reason, if i may say so, i am an optimist, i think that everything will be bad. yes, this is an ecological disaster. these are really huge consequences both in terms of money and for ecology, for the climate of ukraine, but this is not the apocalypse, this is not the collapse of world markets, this is not hunger in africa, this is not there is a complete stoppage of exports and a stoppage of agriculture in ukraine, which is usually one at the micro level, for individual farmers, for individual companies, it will have catastrophic consequences, but for the economy

of ukraine , yes, for the world economy. i think that after all, there will not be any such global cataclysms and upheavals, and we will cope with this even after the liberation of novaya kakhovka . of course, it will take a few years to rebuild this dam, but in principle , there will be no very bad consequences for grain exports for farmers at the macro level. well, as spectators i'm sending you to watch our broadcasts yesterday with an energy expert, bogda sribnenka, you from the diksa group have such an analytical structure where he says that the importance of such a large hydroelectric power plant in the future is possible and not necessary it will be better to switch to such a decentralized production of electricity when we will not be dependent and our power system will not be dependent on such

large-scale productions and, in this way, it will be more flexible, and in terms of losses, it is really 1 billion dollars, so they estimate 1 billion dollars. it seemed to me that this is some kind of extremely large number and i thought that after all , it was about hryvnias, not dollars. the head of ukrainian hydropower, ihor sirota, says that according to the calculations of this company , it takes up to a billion dollars to build a new station. well and this is certainly not one year of reconstruction, there will be up to 5 years of reconstruction, let's see now, humanitarian problems are more important than economic ones, that is, they save people who are sitting on the roofs of their houses, they save people who simply lost all their property, many volunteers have now gone to kherson region, you can easily find a link and ask for such volunteers

, i have verified phones on my social media pages, let's move on to another topic, and banks are losing foreign currency deposits, yes, yesterday mr. mykhailo wrote to me on public social networks everything opens fewer deposits with the possibility of conversion due to the reduction of the difference between the official and cash rates. please explain your opinion, mr. mykhailo. personally , when i simply see the interest that banks offer on foreign currency deposits, there is no desire to give them money and deposit the currency on those deposits there are something very close to zero. well, why did this happen, in principle, there is an opposite trend in the world when the rates of dollars and euros have been growing rapidly for more than a year in ukraine, they remained practically unchanged