[000:00:00;00] themselves and so on. everyone understands that this is impossible, but people use it for their own and political image, so i would still like to understand each issue . we have no problems. and petro oleksiiovych poroshenko, yuliya volodymyrivna tymoshenko, they present friezes everywhere, but there is a procedure and there is a burden that rests on this or that deputy, regardless of whether he is from the government or he is in my position, that is, no more than the manipulation of a for each specific case, we must be the facts, definitely eh or relations in me. if we talk about the headlines of the latest news, i grew up following the quote quite literally. ruslan stefanchuk had a conversation with the head of the chamber of deputies of the republic of chile. he talked with the president of the european commission. in the format of a video conference with the speaker of the house of commons of the parliament of canada, anthony rota

. for the day, i have a question: when you contact your colleagues at different levels in different countries, do you understand in advance that this conversation will bring a specific result, have you had any disappointments, how often, perhaps, how often do you hear a refusal of a particular request and how do you evaluate it in principle these contacts regarding efficiency i came from the fact that contacts with speakers or the president in the respective parliaments are extremely important. i have personal contacts of any speakers in the european union in my mobile phone. i i think it is a great honor because at any moment i can raise and solve the issue without a protocol with them and you, they can do something about me if you need to know the current situation of what is happening in ukraine and this has already borne fruit many times what are we working with? now we are working with them in stages on various issues, in particular this issue, at first , you know, we had a big voyage regarding

ukraine's acquisition of a candidate status for the european union. after that, we are now working on issues related to the peace formula president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, we are working on the issues of creating a specialized tribunal, we are working very successfully on the issues of recognizing the holodomor as a genocide of the ukrainian people . i want to say that over the last year, the number of parliaments has doubled compared to 32 years before, in one year the number of parliaments has doubled, in addition to this, we are now we are actively working on issues related to armaments, and there have been many cases when it was the parliament that pushed the government and , after that, the presidents of certain countries to concrete steps, now we are conducting a very large communication about our future in nato, you know that we really hope for the very freedom that will take place in the summer and some parliaments have already started to support ukraine's accession to nato with resolutions.

do you hear a refusal, or let's say this, and it will more balance, uh, an equal position, uh, it's not time, we have to wait, but it will happen, but no, not now, you know very rarely who refuses ukraine those requests. and what there are is the only thing of course, sometimes it makes me sad when i invite a speaker to ukraine and he says yes, yes, but let's look at the issue of security , sometimes it's like that to me, you know, what does someone do somewhere because those speakers who came to ukraine, they left here completely different . saw with their own eyes what russia is doing in ukraine and went to their parliaments to convince them that it is only necessary to increase support . blocs of european integration, integration into the north atlantic alliance, let's start with european integration, the involvement of international experts, this is such a significant component, because, well, not from the height of their experience, they can certainly

help us with something and point out certain mistakes. and in this part, they would just like to remember your words the conclusions of the venetian commission , the conclusions of the venetian commission, help to improve ukrainian legislation, they were made to meet eu standards, but the conclusions are only they, in principle, are not mandatory implementation uh-uh, should we, in principle, listen to them, because around such recommendations on one or another issue , it doesn't matter, there are always some disputes and hype a-ah, you have to listen, you don't have to, you have to, you have to , you don't have to, i'll start with that they really are a special commission. by the way, their conclusions are of a rather advisory nature, but for the vast majority these conclusions are very deep , they add their vision for compliance with european approaches. it is another matter that sometimes they are disconnected from reality, i will give you a specific example when we were writing a bill about the all-ukrainian referendum, whether it was before the war, we invited the conclusions of the medical commission, and one of the conclusions

was that we do not have the right to restrict citizens of the russian federation from being observers at the all-ukrainian referendum well, of course, we could not accept this position . they could not accept it even then, and even more so now, and we have convinced them that despite the fact that this is a european norm, in the conditions of ukraine it does not work that is why we still need to approach the discussion and even now, when the representatives of the venice commission came together with the president of the russian commission on many issues, we had a discussion . well, for example, they said we do not understand why you need to be selected for integrity as judges of the constitutional court. separately for the professional e.e. for the professional level because we have in europe they pass only once . i say this is an elementary question because it is written in the constitution and you need to know here too peculiarities of the ukrainian constitution. we cannot make decisions that would contradict the ukrainian constitution. that is why it is such a complex, very complex approach, but it is necessary to discuss, it is necessary to convince, it is necessary to immerse them in the ukrainian reality, and i see that

this is a very constructive dialogue small references from your thesis about russia yes, and in the russian commission, the development of solutions at one or another level, in particular, the country is a terrorist, russian ideology, well, recognition by various parliaments, including uh . maybe there will be again in the wagner pvk the organization of a terrorist organization is recognized as a ban, and so on. and this is practical and on a practical level, which will add to the trouble of russia, but in the near future, look at the main task of ukraine - to isolate russia and make it an exile in the whole world, that is, a terrorist does not have the right to be an equal at the negotiating table, and this is not our ideology and we are going to this because a country that has violated international law, that, according to its own vision, wants to destroy the principles of mutual relations in the world, that wants to move the borders of any country, it has no right

to sit at the table of civilized countries, and this is our task, which we perform, and it is very important here, of course, it is the decision of the parliament, and it is the parliaments that make the decision to recognize the russian federation as a terrorist country or a country that is a guide to society or a country that sponsors terrorism. she wrote to me and he will leave as soon as they accepted wagner admits that it is a terrorist organization, it is the parliaments that help ukraine with very powerful decisions , in particular he adopted almost 20 resolutions the european parliament for ukraine only last year, and this is also a personal communication with roberto and matsola, so these are very important things , because by this they demonstrate not just solidarity, they shape the political opinion of this country, and this is very important because it forms the basis of our future actions and when we talk about the same creation of a specialized tribunal, when we talk about the implementation of the peace formula , the decisions of the parliament are very important for us, and

we can only talk about this after that the country is on the side of ukraine on such a proposal, there are a lot of such positions, especially now, for example, an actual position that we are implementing also in our inter -parliamentary e-e of inter-legal communications, it is for ukrainian children who will come out for no just the vice-speaker olena kondratyuk takes care of this direction she will introduce it , and it seems very successful to me . a lot of complex work, but it is very important for us that the topic of ukraine is constantly on the agenda in the world, i also made a note here that the vice-speakers well, who was mentioned on the contracts , there were also 73 foreign meetings, 11 in 11 countries of the world, and she still takes care of it, well different issues in different directions directly in ukraine, as well as on european integration with the head of the european commission on democracy, whether it is a matter of when the r base is small, you discussed three important issues of ensuring

the rights of national minorities, the selection of candidates for the position of judges of the constitutional court of ukraine, the improvement of anti-oligarchy legislation, in fact, well, they discussed it. it’s good, but i’m just starting from the third one , pushing back against the anti-oligarchic legislation, asking also the secretary general of the national security and defense council danilov . he said that everything is under control, nothing needs to be put in a long closet, so to speak , a drawer, and it will definitely be implemented. and what is the problem that is getting in the way? the previous ones mean the selection of candidates for the position of judges of the constitutional court and ensuring national law. well, i will start by saying that all these three points are included in the seven recommendations of the european commission of the european council regarding oleg's candidacy status of ukraine, and it seems to me that precisely the qualitative resolution of these issues is a guarantee not only retaining candidate status but also opening negotiations for ukraine already this year, we expect an assessment by european institutions of the implementation of our

recommendations in the summer, and if this assessment is positive positive with some remarks we will have to finalize something there and i believe that this year we are absolutely ready to start full-fledged negotiations, but i say once again that we now have three issues left that we are talking about from the venice commission, this is the issue of the judges, this is the issue of the oligarchic law, and this issue which are related to national ranks, we have agreed that and precisely on the issues of national minorities and on the issue of the oligarchic law, they have no issues because they understand that this draft law can be fully implemented only after the end of martial law, because this is a question of property registration registers, this is a question of other things related to this, as for the constitutional courts, i think that we have found the model that will then be implemented in the hall of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, because it is very important for us that realism in implementation of all issues related to the constitutional court , we did not lose our property, sovereignty, because we cannot have someone choose the constitution for us in the constitutional court, i believe

that ukraine is quite a democratic right that it demonstrated and in recent times, and we have an indisputable right to the sovereign election of such a body of a constitutional body, which is the constitutional court of ukraine, we had a great discussion on specific issues and i think that we reached an agreement, but summing it all up, i want to tell you that i am deeply convinced that this year, ukraine will get its regular e-e in a big way before achieving this discovery of victory so that you understand it is several times more important than even obtaining candidate status, this is already the finish line and a small clarification you they said that they hope that in the summer it will be finalized in the finals, yes, the evaluation yes, i just remember that there was a final in the fall. this story means that since march 8, oleksandr kornienko, kondratyuk was mentioned. - this is the task of the entire government. also, recently

, the actualization of state training to increase the capacity of ukraine has been explained . how can this government show itself in this matter, in general, i will start with the fact that yes oleksandr serhiyevich olena, there, we call each other a brother and a park cop, a sister, and despite the fact that we represent the green bush, for example, various political forces were delegated but we have one goal in common. we must steer this ship in the name of which you are the verkhovna rada of ukraine and i thank them very much for the fact that i always feel the shoulders of the slabs their second as regards the issues of european integration, without a doubt the issue of the european future is not an issue only the authorities, and we immediately talked about it because european integration should be here and here for everyone. we should think about european integration moments. today, when i travel to many countries, i say that you will not find bigger fans of european integration than ukrainians, because 92% of ukrainians support ukraine's path to the european of the union and we are going there, but it

is everyone's work, but we cannot come there just as we are, therefore the task of the government is to form reforms, implement them, the task of everyone is to respond and implement these reforms, each at their own level, so we are just working through it, we are now, for example, as a legislative body preparing a large program of adaptation of legislation to the atty committee , this is european legislation, it will be in 35 areas in which we are preparing, thanks to the european parliament, with which we have very good relations, we held the first joint meeting, i introduced the heads of the committees to each other. it was under the leadership of matsuo and mine. after that, we hold a number of meetings at the inter-parliamentary level and concluded a memorandum with many by the member states of the european union so that in the event of any issues, the apparatuses could work quickly and the work was just as fast at the level of people's deputies. that is, we are preparing, we are moving in this direction because it is a lot of time-consuming painstaking work, but which is an indispensable and mandatory condition on

the way to the european union, but also the work is done by the undisputed president of ukraine at his level at the highest level , also the work is done by the government at the level of governments , also the work is carried out by local bodies self-governance they have constant contacts with their counterparts on the ground, i say once again that this is a big and hoarse job, but it must be done because we, all over the world , have proven that we are not going to the european union , we are returning to our european home, and this is a very important message that must understand that all of us europeans have always been and always will be, yes, but parallel processes are taking place in us, as with european integration. yes, i know that with the movement into nato, they are stepping , this is what happened historically. here i am referring to april 10, when the verkhovna rada appealed to the countries of the representatives of the eu members to give us a political signal. what do you put into this phrase and

comment on your visit to lithuania in june, even before the nato summit, that is, what should happen there, what will it be? from the meeting, i understand that it is probably at the level of the chairmen of the parliament or maybe the deputies. well, tell me. well, i would like to start with the fact that after receiving a political signal, yes, yes, i will start with a political signal, this is a very important signal that we we have to support all parliaments that support ukraine and when i was at the congress of speakers of the countries of the european union and candidate countries for the european union , a meeting was held in two days with 21 speakers and with 15 and more still on their feet and the main question was what exactly was it implementation of the resolution of the verkhovna rada , i asked them to do everything for their parliament and to support ukraine's aspirations to become a member of nato. we will see such a decision, and as i think several

parliaments that will take this position have understood that it is very important for us that when we talk about nato at the summit in vilnius and vilnius of ukraine, i always say such a mythical place because there we lost our european integration perspective and we are there we wanted to start a reboot from there, but there we want to find our euro-atlantic perspective, and that is why it is very important for us that precisely at the level of the parliament, this signal is sent very clearly, and we are now working on it. why are we going to to the big summit, because it is precisely the gathering of speakers that is summing up and forming the final positions regarding the parliamentary position on the future of nato. all the parliaments of the nato countries will be presented there and we will discuss the role of the city of ukraine. i got everything there. the invitation i am going there i thank my colleague victoria or militininson the speaker of the lithuanian parliament who invited me there i think we will have a very fruitful discussion there and we will get there with great

results with the results for this period has i hope that the parliament will adopt these political decisions, which provide a basis for appealing to other parliaments . a coalition of countries is being formed that will save our country. well, the maximum quick introduction can be mentioned 100 latvia, lithuania. this is absolutely logical. poland, slovenia , the czech republic, too. well, at the stage, let's say so, of neutrality, maybe there are some thoughts there and they haven't been decided yet , well, we won't take hungary as an example, that is , are there any countries that because it is, well, theses from the leaders of countries even of the european union, they are you know, you will be quite radical, but not now, not even in the near future , but in 10 years, you will hear and understand. and i would like to understand what kind of countries they are, you know, as converts on their side. - we are trying to lean in the same way and here you know this is a very dangerous question because in diplomatic language you never

have the right to say who is against because it is a very bad signal so i will say so we work so that everyone is for us there are difficult issues there are very difficult countries with which we we are working, but the issue of communication, the issue of proof, the issue of arguments, and my main argument with which i travel and talk to the spiracs is that when we talk about the nato army, we must understand the function of this army , as they say that the ukrainian army is de facto the nato army because it is a fights with nato weapons and fights according to nato standards, and it defends the security of nato countries de facto - this is a function that relies on any nato army, so let's move from de facto to yura, and yura just needs your decision and that makes a lot of people think. and in your opinion, this is skepticism that is present. maybe in the heads of some european leaders , it depends first of all on russia's nukes, on other security threats. i

think that there is a general fear that they do not want nato to become a party in this war, somewhere they have such a vision that then nato should still enter this entire war as a party, although we explain to them that ah, for us, we understand that the issue of reconquering our territories is not yet ukraine whether a member of nato - this the issue of ukraine, we only need constant help from you and the ukrainian soldiers of the ukrainian armed forces. kudos to them, they are doing it perfectly themselves, but we are talking about the fact that at the nato summit, we must receive a clear and understandable signal regarding the logistics of joining nato, regarding the deadlines, so that we understand a clear map, and so that we don't talk about p p pdch, we want to follow the path that finland came and that sweden is now taking. that is, this is the algorithm that we should adopt. but we want specifics, but you see, we constantly mention finland, so very good

an example of such a more simplified procedure, but finland is not in the last war. and this is the stumbling block, and here i often ask our guests, who appear on the air in telegraph, in particular, what should we consider the end of the war and our a victory, because the logic of our partners rests on this thesis, you will be in the alliance. but after the war , after the victory, they say that what is more important is the exit to the borders . it is a peace agreement with russia . well, they can do the same for years drag this story well, i have seen from the fact that uh, we are very grateful to all the countries that are trying to be arbitrators and mediators in uh, ukraine's war with russia, offering their options for getting out of the conflict. i am deeply convinced that the victory in this war has the right to decide only ukraine and this is a clear and understandable position, and we believe that the president of ukraine proposed a clear and understandable formula when he proposed a world formula for peace. i want to remind you that a large number of its

provisions were the generality of legion 141 countries voted for it and we are moving in this direction direction, now regarding the fact that there are some questions on article five, on other articles that talk about integrity, the history of nato knew when countries were accepted that did not have territorial integrity, that were including in a state of war, the history of nato is a very deep and interesting history that should be studied as vynnychenko once said that you cannot teach the history of ukraine without bromine, and the history of nato must also be studied very carefully under a magnifying glass. there are all opportunities, all opportunities to save the member natali. to the vilnius summit to receive a clear message that will be sent to every ukrainian, to every ukrainian who is in ukraine , to every ukrainian who is on the front lines, to every ukrainian who is still abroad, women with children, what is the understanding we invite you to nato and we see such and such a plan about vilnius one more

we often ask questions about the thesis that we will ask our partners and at this summit we will talk about security guarantees at least . well, they help us financially there to support the budget there for some local the issue of armaments and tens of billions of aid is coming and during 22-23 i have a question about security guarantees, in your opinion, how should they manifest themselves in these conditions? i am deeply convinced that the format of security guarantees is written in many directions. and the issue of continuing military financial humanitarian assistance to ukraine, this is the issue of training ukrainian soldiers, this is the issue of providing ukraine with the necessary equipment, the necessary long- range and medium-range ammunition, this is the issue of providing ukraine after the tank front of our

there are a lot of components of the aviation new front, but we need clear or do we not need the guarantees that we received under the budapest memorandum. we need clear, clear that in the event that nato understands that ukraine will become a member of nato in the future, and until that moment, we guarantee you the first, second, third fourth, i said what are the components of military, financial , humanitarian and some other things regarding the united states, i would like to return a little of our cooperation with the united states of america , in particular with the congress, we know that the elections practically there, the company has already started like this. this is official, but there are already some three preliminary conditional exit polls . who has what percentage of trump or biden or other candidates? and here i have a question: do you think that it is really as they declare and republicans, democrats, democrats, it is clear that nothing will depend on the elections, in the same way, in the 24th year , we receive aid, and this aid will go to ukraine until our victory, until peace , is it really so because we hear completely

different let's say so well, the positions are the same republicans, we already know that there are also trumpists, but there are also such consistent lolists for ukraine and who are ready to cooperate with the democrats, but this can change and the test - everything can also change in the european union, where elections are also on the horizon, as they say in different countries. well, i i'll start with that, i'll start with the united states. the fact is that i want to emphasize that we value the bipartisan support of ukraine that exists in the united states, we hope that it will be at least we have prospects, what about such hopes, and you know the last interview, which was added by the new speaker mccarthy in israel, he clearly stated his attitude towards ukraine at the meeting, whether ukraine will receive help and they will do it so that ukraine wins this war, this is a very important proposal because many were worried because of the change of leadership in the conference, but i think it is so clear and a clear position . she puts an end to any disputes and this is very important

because america as a country positions itself as a country that observes freedom and democracy in the world and its position is very important for many other countries in particular, we know that many of the leaders of the european union are oriented towards the position of the united states, and therefore it is very important for us to get assurance that the position of the united states will not change as far as the european union is concerned. undoubtedly, we are all facing the election period, but the situation that is developing in the european union , i also feel optimistic, because we see that , in particular, after the last elections in the czech republic, when petropav became president , everything is the same when there are elections in other parliaments as well are recruiting larger forces that support ukraine, there are certain questions but we hope that this is a question of political rhetoric, as it always happens after and after let's say this, the end of these elections, everything is the same no parliament , no president and no prime minister can go

against their people but we see that the support of ukraine in europe and around the world remains at a not very high level, you know, every campaign, every leader, member of this company has its own slogans, once biden announced his intention to second the presidential term noted that he spoke with such a slogan, let's finish what we started and let's hope that it is, well, in this case, he had to go to ukraine, and it was about ukraine that he said that let's do what we started to help ukraine win this war, we actually, with joint efforts, this we will finish the process on weekdays, so to speak, i would like to talk more, and under the dome many important initiatives are currently being voted on, your honor has already mentioned that, in principle, the dynamics have not changed, on the contrary, even a little sped up during the war, here we can mention some important current issues, in particular, the improvement of work or the reform of the vlk tcc e there, from land plots for investors well, there are many initiatives that have become laws for themselves. what

has already been important, what will be, what is important, it has already been adopted , a lot of legislative acts, which are precisely devoted to budget mathematics, support for the military, issues related to ensuring the stability of democracy, issues related to by continuing the necessary reforms, we are moving in this direction, what will happen will undoubtedly depend on how the situation in froda will develop, because the front is a priority, and victory in the war is a priority, and therefore the verkhovna rada will do everything to ensure that we all need legislative decisions. we are all necessary for ukraine to win, you understand . because sometimes a lot of populist ideas are introduced, but when we are after that, we invite, in particular, the military to a meeting with factions, groups, they speak friends, we don't need this, we need such an approach, after this, this issue is removed and we immediately introduce what the military needs for our victory, we are in very close contact with the military over very close contact with the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, we hear

exactly and in order to keep both the fund and the economy in ukraine, well, there is no such thing, let's say, before a large-scale invasion, when you remember there was spam, for example, legislative there are some well, let's say stretching in time the consideration of certain issues are populist, some kind of speeches now, in principle, all but there is an understanding among all the representatives of different factions and the first group that we all have to work for victory and unite, that is , the deputies do not disperse their power or there are verdicts, well , look at the committee yes, maybe you know there, i will say that the parliament is a political body. if i said that we do not have politics , how would i be against it? practically everything is a matter of discussion, it is a matter of dialogue, it is a matter of communication, but i say once again that i a deep supporter if any decision should be made with the participation of professionals, that is why, in particular, when we are talking about the military, we do not make a single important decision without inviting the minister of defense, without inviting the commander-in-chief, without inviting other colleagues

who know how this decision should be formulated when we are talking about the budget, we do not make a decision until we talk with the prime minister or the minister of finance because we understand that any decision has its price and we must understand not only how much to take, but also where to take it in order to put it in the budget. therefore, any decisions must be balanced, because political decisions must be made with a statist approach and not with a populist approach. such an inoculation. and for the future . we must make any decisions carefully, we must ensure justice, because justice is such a thing that probably makes up the greatest efficiency in ukraine, i in no way want to belittle, let's say the initiative of the legislative opposition, but you can often hear statements on various broadcasts that, for example, similar bills but from the pro-government force of the opposition ignore the opposition, choose the pro-government one, or

have you noticed that it should be? representatives of both the government and the opposition, you can see all the latest draft laws that were adopted, almost all of them have stars and the government and the opposition, because this is an association at the level of committees, as a rule, committees submit modified or different and they are already writing it out as it would be better without a doubt. maybe somewhere there is more initiative in the authorities because there is greater cooperation with the same cabinet of ministers with the president, there is an understanding of all this, but once again i say for us now no no no time to measure copyright is very important for us that the result on the scoreboard is 226 plus, and right away it depends on everyone and on the government and the opposition, if the decision is good , the results should be and on the scoreboard, if the decision is bad, you also see the results on the scoreboard it is not supported at all therefore, this is a discussion , this is normal democracy, this is parliamentarism in his understanding of how it should be, one cannot help but