[000:00:00;00] i will tell you that it is cool after these very consequences that we will be able to estimate the prices only later , we must understand that there are also large agricultural lands. what were the elevators? that is, there is a large amount of ecological disaster, which we will assess later. and actually there is also an area , the city did not fully work with this, you understand , precisely with such damages. therefore, it will actually have a very critical impact on the region, and i think that not on one year but nevertheless, we are waiting for the liberation of all territories and we will work everything out, we will rebuild immediately after the tragedy at the kakhovsky hpp, uh, information appeared, and in the end, somewhere called and the legitimate authorities, which are now in the territory of ukraine, that we must be very careful in the temporarily occupied occupied energodar, which

is located directly near the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, and in the end, well, in general , a message appeared somewhere like this, possibly by mistake. how can you say what you think about this , that in this way putin demonstrates readiness for the use of the nuclear context in this war, and in particular, how do you think it is possible for the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant to be written and discussed on the internet , well, clearly, the actual undermining of the kakhovka hpp can be interpreted in terms of raising rates in this war and this increase itself obviously falls into the context of the fact that the russian army has in fact exhausted its potential of occupation and offensive potential on the territory of ukraine

. after the withdrawal of the russian occupation troops, after withdrawing from the right bank of the kherson oblast, they threw these resources into trying to capture the donbass, luhansk, donetsk region , and in fact for six months they tried to do it, but with some rather dubious and conditional successes, they could not do it, and it is clear that now the initiative is being transferred from the battlefield to the side of ukraine, and it is clear that russia and this are very good borders, what are all the military correspondents and russian propagandists demonstrating, they have already understood that they lost this war, they already understand what the counteroffensive will be, and their only question is how painful your defeat will be and how successful our counteroffensive will be, and it is clear that they are trying at any cost to at least postpone their defeat, and perhaps reduce the scale somewhere and it is clear that now they have blown up the hydroelectric power plant and i actually

said at the beginning of the broadcast today that russia will do everything to prevent ukraine from standing on its feet and being a prosperous state, it will leave destruction in its wake by retreating, running away and actually in this context, unfortunately, we can talk about the fact that hypothetically there could be some, let's say bad things, good phenomena and in energodar at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, but with regard to the use of nuclear weapons in general, i would probably, well , how radically and in such a context i spoke about it between others, well, obviously, no matter how inadequate the russians and the russian elite are, there will still be among them those who should understand that the use of nuclear weapons will mean the end of russia, and among other things, there are many experts of the so-called so-called fake russia and they in fact, they started talking about it, that it harms russia, when someone starts saying that we should hang out with nuclear weapons, i think that well

, of course, when we talk about inadequate neighbors, we should not rule out anything by 100% , but still, in my opinion, talk about what the probability of the use of nuclear weapons is high. well, probable or very probable. i wouldn't become, uh, i'm the only one to use tactical nuclear weapons, but there are also uh, guided ones. unfortunately, an accident on, well , in particular. uh, hypothetical russia can actually go to this controlled nuclear accident, but i think that in this case we should understand what yevhen said. so we are playing with russia and we will be there maybe in the fall, maybe in the summer, maybe sometime later, i think that after all, we should not delay the counteroffensive very much, because it gives russia the opportunity, firstly

, to prepare for it and dig in, and this will increase the price of those efforts. and secondly, it will give russia the opportunity, let's say , to model it bring those managed accidents, so i think that our government, our army, should act according to this principle as soon as possible, let's say this full-scale mood, it should be started in order not to give the aggressor the opportunity to come up with such, you know, other scenarios are possible in order for energodari to come up with something, or maybe you know then we must understand that we have many different industrial facilities in the occupied territories, especially in donbas, and therefore, in principle, the same in crimea. therefore, we must understand that the more time the aggressor has, the more such potential he can invent and, unfortunately, organize

. thank you, mr. buchyn . thank you, mr. solobay . mr. knyazhytskyi and mr. zoftenko remain in our studio. various information from international observers and international experts about what is happening has started not started counteroffensive what is happening in the eastern direction we want to hear from you reliable information what is happening now er, in whose hands is the initiative, which clashes should we talk about now? i was told once that some advertised counteroffensive, er, in our area is not taking place within the framework of a months-long successful defensive operation during which we essentially destroyed the enemy's strike group, which consisted of first of all, from the wagner terrorist organization, we take advantage of the losses of the enemy, taking advantage of the fact that he conducts traditional measures, we

counterattack him as part of our defense operations , we counterattack where we can, so we ourselves carried out assault actions this and that day in various areas of the north-south flank, we managed to advance to a distance of 1,600 m . with all appropriate measures to defeat the enemy, the enemy is resisting , trying to hit our units with fire 342 times during this day in the direction of bakhmut. he was hitting us with rocket artillery created made six raids in total there were 10 raids during which we destroyed 120 occupiers, 184 were wounded, one was taken prisoner, and we destroyed five armored personnel carriers, an amphibious assault vehicle, an e-e cannon and a

radio electronic warfare station, two orlando 10 unmanned aerial vehicles and a velikonny reconnaissance station ago and 9.5 warehouses with ammunition is also a characteristic sign that, in fact , their logistics are being destroyed every day, which means that these are field warehouses with ammunition . they asked what is happening with the wagnerites, they left, they did not leave. what do you know about these mine attacks by the ministry of the russian federation? they would seem to be allies of the military, and if it is true, it can already be said that the criminal organization of wagner is not in the same number in the bakhmut direction, in particular, as before did this change the logic of hostilities on the part of the occupiers? undoubtedly, it changed the logic of hostilities from the beginning to the end, because the redeployment itself

is going on. assaults in small groups, so i said today that 10 collision battles - this is still a relatively increased amplitude at the beginning of their rotational measures, there were two or three visits, they said at the time at the same time when at the peak of the battles with wagner in this direction there was from 30-35 to 50 fearsome, so wagner definitely, regardless of all his so-and-so advertisements and such displays of some of his own , how did he call himself the first army of the world? - field circus in fact, because we clearly saw and we made a forecast about two months ago that if this trend of losses continues, 100 or more fatal losses per day will not be restored, and the replenishment that they

had from prisons is simply unlimited. they will be waiting for two months of er-e collapse and complete er-e complete let’s say almost a loss or with children of fighting capacity and in fact, two weeks before this deadline, he urgently withdrew his adjutants began to withdraw his units under the guise of some alleged shortage of shells and that he needs recovery of course, recovery is necessary and very important, because significant damage was also caused by them, and there will be a shortage of weapons. it was a fairy tale , there was no shortage of shells. they always outnumbered us in the number of shells, and we won due to the fact that we tried to hit the enemy as accurately as possible using soviet and western artillery weapons, whatever they are. thank you, serhiy cherevaty, the spokesman for the eastern group of troops , was in direct contact with us. it is important to hear information from those people who are

they are directly there and know everything reliably, because now it is very difficult in the information flow, let's say, to find the true one among all the messages that are thrown in very often , they are little books with you, let's continue the conversation in the context of the future well, in particular , freedom on at the beginning of july, there will be a summit at which we all expect it in the end, and these latest events are from the point of view of undermining the kakhovka hpp from the point of view of the cult- like success that we are all waiting for. how can a determined world react because we understand that in nato itself has countries that are resolutely ready to support our country, in particular poland , in which you also happen to be there and communicate with polish politicians

, what are you waiting for? guess whether someone is making any predictions, but we discussed here and there about the counteroffensive, has it started or not, or when it starts , we don't know, we will see the result of our victories, like tsivers, that we know that the west is very actively helping us, that the countries nato actively helps us, that they give us weapons, that we need more, but the president said that this is enough for a counteroffensive. but we need even more, and other leaders of ukraine there. that is, we also know that we want to liberate all our territories, we see that these words of lukashenka are about yes so to speak, a truce is a truce that is categorically not beneficial to us, because they want to regroup forces and simply stop at that line of contact, which is what is, and then completely destroy ukraine, obviously it would be beneficial to them, their goals, as it seems to me, are not have changed despite the fact that different processes are taking place inside them. with kadyrov's favors and various other struggles in the political class of the russian federation as far as nato is concerned. well, it's quite obvious

that the societies of these countries support us . i literally wrote today about this, 80%, er, 60% of democratic countries support ukraine and the united states of america and in poland, and it is very interesting. this is to be observed, because even when we see that among the democrats , among the republicans, this indicator is much lower there, 40%. it does not mean that these people are what they vote for the republican party, they do not support ukraine. this means that they simply do not agree with biden or criticize biden. it is also domestic politics that very often affects our assessments of certain situations, just like in every other country , or poles, poles in uh, we we criticize for the fact that, from my point of view, they block the roads completely unfairly, we say that the fact that, for example, ukrainian grain becomes a competitor to polish grain, but polish society itself believes that it

is not the ukrainians who are responsible for this, but their government, which conducts no one accuses ukrainians of wrong policy in us. that is why it is very important for us that the society of the countries support us. if they support us, the only way for us to preserve our independence. it is obvious to become members of nato, and without a foreign policy, as it was . with sweden and finland, to receive protection from nato and obviously we should strive for it. i believe that it will be, because otherwise it will be extremely difficult to win there. whether it will be already vilnius, i don't know, because many observers say that decisive steps will be taken by the united states of america before elections, because the next nato summit will be held in washington just before the elections in the united states, we would like it to happen sooner because this is the life of ukrainians, who are the same as europeans , we have long understood that we are on the front lines of the struggle of an authoritarian state that wants to destroy democracy on the first front of the fight against the aggressor wants to go further we stop them and we should not be a victim the world should understand this they should stand together with us i believe

it will happen i don't know how soon congratulations to our studio, mr. genyk, mr. senyutka says to you good evening, we say traditionally on thursday, all uh, important events, because of the full-scale invasion, uh, we live , well, in fact, in such a non-stop mode, and there are no days off, unfortunately, there are no days off on the fronts, film i have a question for you in the context of the tragedy at the kakhovsky hpp hmm, let's not analyze it from the military point of view, who did it? we understand very well that everything that happens in the occupied territories is the fault of the russians. i want to hear your opinion and including in the context that you, as a person who headed the large lviv region for a very long time, understand how to manage large territories in critical areas. and in this context, i am also interested in hearing the assessment of the

helplessness of the russians in the occupied territories , that is, they shouted that we want to liberate the territory, we want to somehow plant their russian language there, but in the very first critical situation they could not do anything for the people and it is already obvious why yes , well, first of all, i am 100% convinced that not simply the cause of this tragedy that happened is the russian occupation, and actually the russians with a terrorist act caused the destruction of the kakhova dam of the kakhova hpp, and all responsibility lies with them, and compensation for the evil events must be borne by the russians, because today we see only a part of the problems that exist in it is obvious , first of all, floods, this is an ecological disaster, this is a potential danger regarding the fall of water and the threat of cooling the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, all in the end, the loss of life

, we already have confirmed facts today the deaths of people in relation to the behavior of the muscovites of the occupiers well, it seems to me that it is common for them because their goal is simple and obvious and it has not been the first year that they do not see ukraine as a state, they do not see ukrainians as people, as a titular nation that inhabits this territory and is indigenous to this state, that is why their goal is to destroy the state, to destroy the ukrainians . i am convinced that they are not just helpless from the point of view of organizational processes . i am convinced that no one there set out to save the inhabitants of oleshki or the inhabitants of the bare prystan or any other populated place . moreover, their racism was once again

confirmed by the fact that when the operation to save those ukrainians who fell into the disaster zone was going on, they fired artillery shells means of mortar means to destroy those people who were saved by ukrainian soldiers and ukrainian rescuers , therefore on the one hand of course they are sloppy in their essence because this is such a nation, look at how they live look, this is their usual way of life. if you see a pile of dung, then you are definitely near the whole pile of dung. can you see russians closer or further away , or is it their way of life that is so natural? they went crazy when they saw the asphalt paths in ukrainian villages, when they saw the cleaned areas, when they saw the way of life in whose ends live because for them it is foreign, incomprehensible, i am completely unnatural, and the second

part is their plan to destroy what they, well, excuse me, they said chesnoy that they want to denazify the ukrainian territory, what does denazify mean to destroy the indigenous nation is what they are doing, they are destroying the indigenous nation, and in this story we really have to rely only on the armed forces of ukraine, we have to rely only on our own forces, and of course we should be grateful for the help that is coming from the western world today and this discussion that is going on now resolved with regard to nato with regard to ukraine's membership in nato. i am convinced that we no longer have to fold our hands and talk about the fact that, well, you understand, it will probably turn out that way that we will not get anything in vilnius, nor is there a principled decision that ukraine will a member of nato and this decision was taken for the sake of the fact that it is now approaching and it will definitely not be revised. and there is definitely no time to talk about it. it has already

been said today. ukraine's demand should be very simple and clear. please write a road map and specific steps. which we must fulfill in order to become members of the north atlantic defense alliance. i am very well initiated and i remember the history of ukraine obtaining a visa-free visa. at that time , conditions were also imposed on ukraine, and then president poroshenko said very simply, write the list of what we have to do and this list must be excluded, that is, it cannot be that we will do it all and then let 's add something, they wrote the ukrainian delegation asked for it all no no we add something else add something add add it all added signatures we completed the entire list and it is clear that ukraine got the result we wanted today, there is no internal debate in the state whether ukraine should be a member of nato or

not, ukrainians clearly said 80% - this is unanimity, which is certainly not present in all nato countries, the second part of nato said ukraine will be a member of nato all now please list 1 2 3 4 10 25 105 as much as necessary step by step and when we reach the last point no one will have any doubt that membership should be an automatic process this is how the ukrainian authorities should act, therefore professionalism experience well, i believe that we talked about the kakhovtsi tragedy. i believe that this is uh , well, a certain uh, a certain problem in ukrainian diplomacy that we allowed materials to appear in the western press. or maybe it's not

the russians, it's unacceptable, it means that our the diplomats did not work very quickly, they did not put forward the relevant arguments, they did not prove the relevant facts, today there is no longer any doubt. the states very clearly said that the intelligence of israel said, that is, we already have a whole series , what is the matter, the movement of the muscovites, but this first step , the first stumbling block, is the unprofessionalism of diplomacy, and this cannot be done unprofessionalism should also be extended to the relations between ukraine and nato, but i would like to add a little to olya mykhailovych, and why disagree ? i don’t think they should give us any lists now, we are already candidates for eu membership in fact, they almost fulfilled all our requirements for direct membership, there were always some points in nato that stanislav related to democratization and the state of the army , our army is the strongest in europe. our nato members are definitely not that democratic, this is a question of our survival and existence, and most importantly their

survival and existence because the russians will not stop it and they just have to feel from us everything has already been done, we don't need to give lists anymore, it's just our business, what do you agree with? what is obvious is the business of our diplomacy, but not only diplomacy, as well as those people who are responsible for information policy in our country, as well as people who are responsible for the work of mass information in european countries. to the countries of the united states, our allies, our government , convey this to them and show irresponsibility and show, as you absolutely correctly said, that what actually happened there, that russia is responsible for it, that is, we have unfortunately, as for me there seems to be a certain irresponsibility of both our government and the governments of our allies, which manifests itself in different ways and we must of course stop this, and here the only problem is and we must realize that we are now receiving such a bitter rebuke from our candidate for the state of the european union because the decision that was

given ukraine was told very clearly , here is the decision on candidacy, but the next step will be taken when the list of seven points is fulfilled. the next step i understand that , well, out loud or not out loud, but this is a question for the ukrainians, your task is what you signed . these are the points that you are obliged to fulfill. well, in fact, here is the first assessment that we will receive, we expect it in june, it can be such a bell for us , you know that is, our partners, our allies definitely don't want to say this out loud in ukraine - it's definitely not necessary for it to sound, but the final conclusion will be in the fall and it will be the conclusion on whether to start the negotiation procedure and it is very important that the government

fulfill this list of points and believe me that if such things will be done with regard to ukraine's membership or candidacy for the european union, then distrust of nato relations will automatically be imposed . because when leonidovych very correctly said that nato is two parts, it is a military component and these are internal standards that would correspond to the north atlantic army well, theoretically and practically, there are no problems and if one army joined nato, i think that well, they would still go and ask, but friends, but society has problems, the constitutional court has problems , freedom of speech has problems there are problems with the rule of law, authoritarianism, which they are starting to talk about and accuse, there are problems with such an internal schedule

, well, it will be too much effort. well, there mykola leonidovych probably spoke about poland like that. these states understand that if ukraine does not strive for standards, they are thinking about what tomorrow will be like. how will unity be maintained? look at slovakia , pro-russian forces are beginning to gather support of the population, this is the latest information that appeared in the media when the level of support among residents is not as high as we would say in poland, this is a very loud signal for us , the governments of countries will think about the security of their countries and the fact that we ukrainians today protect the security of these countries. this is obvious and this our chance and we must use this chance, this window of opportunity has opened for ukrainians, if we do not go there, we will again trade between the empire and the civilized world, but if from

the point of view of nato, we have no other way out what happened now at the kakhov hpp is absolutely obvious, this is another rate hike, when really our diplomats did not work to the end . they worked well, but in my opinion, we should have conveyed the information, now we must convey the information that such a decision was made by one person, vladimir putin , no one else has received official information about the fact that in order to destroy such a colossal hydrotechnical structure, it was necessary at least three aerial bombs of 500 kg each - this is a colossal thing. some kind of saboteur there destroyed the kakhova hydroelectric power plant, what's next? putin will clearly raise the stakes. what do we want to achieve strategically? we want to achieve security, which will be our victory, as far as i'm concerned. we will why because we have a neighbor who existentially does not recognize our existence what is the problem there muscovy and ukraine-russians but let's say there were territorial conflicts between france and germany

between germany and poland but we will never say france never said that berlin is a french city. germany never said that paris is a german city or warsaw is a german city. they never said that. what does muscovy say ? what does putin say, but not only putin says that, unfortunately . 80% of the population of muscovy says that such a state and roots do not exist, here we are at the moment there are tens of millions of ukrainians in the world, at the moment there are more than 30 million ukrainians living on the territory of ukraine, and they think that they do not have us if look what results were not achieved no, a very interesting fact recently came across a st. petersburg e-e magazine in 1931 without galicia, the population of ukraine in the soviet union was 81 million, and the population of muscovy , the russian population was 77 million, well , look what has happened now, part of belarus, kuban, other things, unfortunately this is the hope that the fairy tale will fall apart already now , unfortunately, we can see far from that. well, i do not

believe that muscovy will certainly be there , now the process of turmoil has begun, you see what is happening, beautiful on the one hand the opposition army advancing from the territory of ukraine from the second side, the official russian government from the third side, but the government there is quite strong and let's say i would really like it to happen, but i do not believe that muscovy will disintegrate in the next conditionally 3 or 5 years, respectively, which for we can only get out of the heat guarantee from the side of nato, nothing else is given otherwise, in any case , if we even win, i have no doubt that we will win the civil war, i have no doubt about it absolutely we cannot fail to win well, then us it simply won't exist when we stop fighting, here's my next one, literally 5 minutes before the broadcast, my comrade died in another one. let's say so in the zaporizhzhia direction , and the number of dead is already increasing. but we can't not fight, so the only option for us is nato. i completely with the colleagues who spoke here with mykola leonidovych and oleg mykhailovych, do you want them to talk with your broadcast about the fact that the only option is nato and in

vilnius itself, which will take place next month at the beginning of july? we do not we just want to receive assurances of our further support, assurances that you guys are fighting because there are so many people , we need to get clear signals about what we need to do from a military point of view. at the moment we have probably the most valuable army in europe , the second issue is the fulfillment of political tasks and the third issue is clearly membership in ukraine , otherwise we simply will not be able to exist . moreover, we have a neighbor - this is a country that one of the greatest nuclear potentials. that is,