[000:00:00;00] that is why the commander did not give such orders that, accordingly, these weapons could enter and be used in the territory within the borders of the moscow state recognized as of today, and this is the danger that can work against us. and you know, in such options, one must always be very, very careful. to ukraine , this is a verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko . good day and good health to all. it is the third day of the biggest man-made disaster in europe . the russians' detonation of the kakhova hydroelectric power plant has already led to the flooding of dozens of villages and populated areas.

points on the kherson region , the consequences of this ecocide arranged by the russian occupiers are obviously going to be felt very soon as the world actually. the destruction of the kakhovka dam , although in fact most representatives of the western world are inclined to believe that the russians, who occupied part of the ukrainian land, are to blame for the destruction of the kakhovka hpp. that there is no reaction from greenpeace, the red cross and the pope. and it seems that they will remain silent for a long time as long as russia allows itself to blackmail the whole world by destroying hydroelectric power plants

and seizing nuclear power plants . pity sits on a powder keg, smokes cigarettes belomorkanal e shakes ashes into this powder keg and hopes that all this will not affect them unfortunately, in the meantime, the russian federation will be affected and will continue to lose lives strength and equipment in ukraine russia has already lost 212,760 people in ukraine in the last day only, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 880 orks with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,891 tanks, 7,576 armored fighting vehicles, 3,668 artillery systems, 595 rocket launcher systems, 355

air defense systems, 314 airplanes 299 helicopters 6384 units of motor vehicles 18 ships boats 1 171 cruise missiles 3234 drones 511 special equipment so zelensky in kherson oblast putin has fallen to the bottom, the world is talking about this and we will talk about other things during the next hour. with our guests today during the inclusion from washington, we will see a joint press conference of the president of the united states of america joseph biden and the prime minister of great britain rishi sunak but it will be a little later in half an hour, for now i present our first guest today is volodymyr tsibulko, a political expert mr. volodymyr i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air greetings beautiful audience espresso let's

start mr. volodymyr with a man-made disaster arranged by the russian occupiers in the south, today volodymyr zelenskyi visited the kherson region, saw how medical institutions work and how flood victims are received, one of such evacuation points was visited by the head of state zelenskyi spoke with local residents who are being treated there, he promised that the government would help in the future with the reconstruction of everything that was destroyed by the russians as a result of the terrorist attack. in addition, he talked with doctors who, even under shelling

, continue to help people, let's hear there is a big shortage of doctors in zelenskyi because many people left because of the war. we understood all your signals. i think we will definitely help with this. well, we are very grateful to you for your great work in heroic people . immediately after the retreat to zelenskyi, kherson , the occupiers shelled the shipyard when the actual evacuation of civilians was ongoing, the ministry of internal affairs reported that eight people had been injured. earlier, the prosecutor's office reported the death, but the police did not confirm this information. so, volodymyr, we are seeing another terrible terrorist act. of the russian federation, and this terrorist attack was carried out in front of the whole world and the world has not yet reacted harshly to

what putin is doing in the kherson region. what do you think, why ? considering how the world reacted to russia's full-scale invasion of ukraine, and it was only a few months after buchi, the world finally started come to your senses and understand what the occupier is doing. in fact, the scope of this catastrophe is still incomprehensible to the world, and unfortunately, during these days, the ukrainian e-e media, ukrainian factors did not work as a meeting of the un security council should have been initiated on time, and of course, we have received a very important platform, so to speak, for the delivery of our truth, but unfortunately, even the leading agencies of the world, the leading publications of the world, they

are, well, provided the first information about this event in a very blurred state, without emphasizing on the guilt of russia for aggression for all these crimes . therefore, at this stage, it will be very important to bring to the light of the real volumes of destruction, the real, well, this is synchronized, the video is this video was born and uh that is what is important now at this stage, and especially after the shelling after zelenskyi kherson, in fact, the enemy himself actually shifted the emphasis from customs clearance to the fact that it was the enemy's plan, because if the enemy fires at evacuation groups that save the civilian

population, it means that it was his the plan is the plan is to create such a scorched earth after yourself and now it is very important to focus the attention of the world on this crime, you need to appeal to all er sources available to could orient themselves on the spot and see, understanding what is happening now, if the enemy fired at the evacuation groups, then he will try to hit the media groups, which the authorities can ensure come to

cover these events it seems that the shelling after zelensky was provoked by the press service of the bank itself. apparently, they were in too much of a hurry to report on zelensky’s visit to kherson, after all, it is very reminiscent of the story when they were growing up. the sbu detained more than 30 bloggers in kyiv who hurried to cover the attacks on well, objects in in kiev, strikes and the work of air defense, and here the visit of zelenskyi was so quick to highlight that the enemy actually started killing in the center of the city, thinking that zelenskyi is there , i think that this is a mistake or a crime of the same order. if the bloggers are looking at the claims, then let the press - to the bank service, our colleague stas kozlyuk, who was in kherson today, wrote on his facebook page about the shelling of kherson just during the evacuation. an hour ago, the russians shelled

the evacuation point on the ship square on the at that moment there were more than a hundred people there, rescuers, medics, evacuated civilian volunteers , the first shell exploded in the water 50 meters from us with stas yurchenko. i fell and didn't have time to take it. photojournalist stas kozlyuk and astas mulotec had time to lie in the ditches for an hour. because we had art and hail rescuers they said that three people were wounded. the russians once again fired at the civilian evacuation point in kherson. tell us about the dialogue with the aggressor. well, this is how stas kozlyuk organizes it, mr. volodymyr, but there is one more element missing in this story, because in principle, the third day is going on. this catastrophe in the south of ukraine is the biggest man-made disaster in europe in the last few decades, this is no exaggeration, and in this situation there is not enough support from the world, because when there was an earthquake in turkey, literally in the first hour, planes from

foreign countries from began to fly abroad and help turkey. why, in this situation, the international community and international organizations did not insist and did not call on russia to allow there and the same red cross all the rescue services that could fly there and save people kherson region, why did they not achieve this, because many people, it was certainly possible to save those people who unfortunately died and who could not get out of the flow of water that came from the kakhov sea, well, first of all, the absolutely disgusting behavior of the un and the international red cross is absolutely clear, it is clear that in turkey under at the time of the earthquake, there was a civilian humanitarian mission, and here there is a mixture of military actions and

man-made catastrophes. in fact, what the enemy did is comparable in its consequences to a nuclear attack, and we are now should emphasize this to the whole world that in fact after chernobyl, well, in europe, the biggest man-made disaster in the last 50 years was chernobyl. and now the kakhovskaya hpp is actually the volume of this . kilometers by 30 50 well, let's say so , it will be impossible to count all the consequences of this disaster. the question is that this is such a polyphonic disaster. it hit the agricultural industry, metallurgy, the transport

industry, ecology, energy, eh, after all, the occupied berdyanskyi occupied crimea remains without water, and here the question is different. and why should they remain with water, for example , donetsk, and although he is now sitting without water for a long time, but the enemy himself destroyed it, let's remember how stubbornly they destroyed the water reservoir in kryvyi rih and left it empty two months ago, how they beat the siverskyi donets canal , donetsk e-e, in fact, the water supply of e-e donetsk was destroyed by the enemy e-e even during

the anti-terrorist operation e-e there were some well conditional rules when even repair crews could come to the pumping station in donetsk and repair the equipment . and now, when the evacuation teams are fired upon by artillery, it's just a disaster, and it 's very important to explain to the world how tragic the situation is in ukraine and how human-hating behavior is. of the aggressor in ukraine, the silence of the world here is waiting, uh, well, is the behavior blurred in the search for who is more to blame , the aggressor is to blame for everything, there would be no aggression against ukraine , there would be no disaster at the kakhovsky hpp, this is the first secondly, such destruction can only be done by specialists. it is known that for several months the station, the engine room of the station was

mined and there were 1000 tons of explosives in the toilet. i was in general . well, i worked in the navy. i know this lock, i have repeatedly slipped on the ship when on well , i worked on one on another ship and i know this rex, i know this waterway, so literally two months ago, we discussed infrastructure and technology with waterway specialists at the university it was already clear at that time that the water level in kakhovsky at the kakhovsky vodosho had dropped by more than four meters, that it would not be easy to restore shipping on this section of the dnipro quickly, but now it is already a complete

disaster. the united nations held an action to get rid of russia. more than 100 people came out with placards that read stop the genocide and russia is a terrorist state. the participants of the action also chanted the word ussl, which in english means inactive. let me remind you of usles. or rather donate yes yes i will remind you that the day before activists pasted over the suvs of the un mission in the capital with posters and the same word, we know what happened to nations after the second world war and we know that the league of nations went through the phase of the expulsion of the soviet union from the league of nations in 1939, when the soviet union attacked finland, we can see how the un simply stagnates and cannot do anything

, although this is its main function of this organization , the security function, and they should somehow react to what is happening in ukraine, but over the past 15 months, we have seen complete inactivity, is it possible and with a call to exclude russia from the zone, perhaps we should seek the dissolution of the united nations and the creation of some new security organization in the world? well, so far, the main players are talking about an evolutionary change first of all

, we are talking about expanding the permanent composition of the security council to 15 permanent members, and china does not like it very much. it is deprived of the legal right to the security council, well, there are still a few such novellas about non-permanent members. but in fact, one can fix one comparable thing, if the un was formed as a result of the defeat of nazi germany, japan in the second world war, now from germany and japan is one of the key countries of the world, technological leaders, and they are not among the permanent members of the security council, india is the largest, the most populous country in the world , the african continent is not represented in the security council, ukraine, which is the first in the world got rid of a huge, well, third nuclear potential, she should also apply for

permanent membership in the soviet security council for this feat, and australia is also a very important country. well, for now, the concept of evolutionary changes really dominates for the beginning of changes in the security council and permanent members, and then the construction of more effective institutions of the un, because otherwise, in its current form, it is simply not needed. devours billions, the bureaucracy of auniv lives, it is almost worth remembering how much money is eaten up by the bureaucracy itself under the un food program, the african countries for which it is allegedly

projected. people there take this program like flies, very often no food reaches them immediately in the same the day when the russians attacked the kakhov hpp , russian propagandists began to disperse the topic. russian propagandists - on the air of their tv channels , it came to the destruction of the hydroelectric station. show, you understand, we need to, i think they need to respond, this is absolutely necessary, i repeat once again, we need

to go to the kharkiv region and uh, they live there for ten years in a completely peaceful life , they put artillery and uh, they do this say simply the destruction of our border cities without any military facilities simply destroys the civil infrastructure well , what are we? lead to an even greater catastrophe in ukraine , well, in kyiv it is clear, although general naev says that it is impossible to destroy the kyiv hydroelectric power plant, and still, if russia goes along

the e-e ascending, that is, starting from the kakhovskaya hpp well, it will simply start raising rates with strikes on hydroelectric power stations. what will this ultimately lead to? well, it will ultimately lead to the fact that russia will have to compensate for all the losses of ukraine with territories. already now , the question must be raised that as reparations , russia will pay with territories, and... e with good chernozems, i.e. with an assessment how are you and the quality of e-e agricultural lands, which would be approximately equal to the land lost in ukraine, well, destroyed by the aggressor, this is the first second blow on the cascade and such a cascade collapse, i.e. a wave that will knock down well, a kyiv wave that will go to kaniv

, then to kremenchug , what a cascade to the rubble of all hydroelectric power stations, it is impossible to do it, it is possible to capture the hydroelectric power station and blow it up from the inside with external blows. blow up the hall and the point, well, according to the project documentation, blow up the main supports , well, the gate, just as the gate was blown up at the kakhovsky hpp , and so that well, there are no such rockets, you can even launch a nuclear strike, well, strategic he should not destroy the dams. thank you, but even on kakhovka, the whole is only destroyed, well, this very station , the very concrete carpathian engine room, yes. well , let's hope that russia will not

dare to do this. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation. it was volodymyr tsybulko. political expert, friends, we are in touch with pavlo klimkin, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019 , mr. pavla. good evening. i congratulate you and i am glad to see you in our studio. only russia is responsible in the white house. and why is there no unanimity in the world community that russia is responsible for the destruction of this dam? why are international structures starting to talk again about the need for some commissions to conduct some research? erdogan says that we will create an interagency state commission in order to find out, although it is obvious that russia is on someone else's territory, russia

is planning a terrorist attack. and it seems that all the cards are open, and it is so clear. are they just playing a fool? everything is okay, the west is on our side, he understands what is happening, the words of the shoemaker about the new dimension, i am ready to sign under every word, of course, i would like you and everyone, i would very much like it not to end with such pathetic emotional words and when i am looking at the reaction of our allies and partners and at the same time hearing from my sources, and this is somehow slipping into the background , the discussions on the 11th package of sanctions are difficult, and instead of escalation, there are difficulties in agreeing to it

or, for example, everyone says that, of course, russia responsible, but does not receive a new impetus from the discussion regarding the recognition of russia as a sponsor of terrorism, this is what it really is. i am worried about dan, he is going to play his game , er, there. between putin's actions. he believes that he has a unique relationship with putin that no one else has, and unfortunately it is more than clear. why, i think that he will use this situation to

show that only turkish can communicate today between us and the west and, accordingly, somehow putin is better or worse but nevertheless, there is a third big choice to communicate, it is not the western world and here , of course, it is very important for us to show that this is pandora's box, it is open that the destruction of critical infrastructure can happen to everyone. and if this happens, it is an ecological nuclear weapon , it is a nuclear weapon that destroys critical infrastructure, it may not be in the literal sense , but the reality is even cooler in terms of its scale, we can see it all perfectly now one of our challenges is to actively, very actively talk to the non-western world in order to attract it, maybe not completely to

your side, but mainly to yourself. two well, the last thing is that we have a lot of emotions about the international organizations of the un red cross and i am here like you, like everyone, very emotional, of course, but as a person who worked with them for many years , you know my attitude, i am very- i am very skeptical, of course, now i will be try to stay within the censorship framework, but from all these structures, unfortunately, nothing special is really expected, not that it is sad that they not only do not do what they should, but also

do not try to do it. america in ukraine brigitte brings said that the attack on the kakhov hessians is a terrible example of the actions of russia and russia, what else did the ambassador say? an example of the devastating consequences of the russian war, which puts millions of people at risk, this is a reminder for us and for everyone to support ukraine today and i am writing to work on providing assistance such as water , hygiene products and food. services become the basis for making certain decisions not only by the united states of america considering that the zaporizhia npp is under the control of the russian federation, which is also cooled by dnipro water and e-e

the current situation around the kakhov hpp endangers or , let's say, has certain consequences for the zaporizhzhia npp. and why does the united states of america still delay recognizing russia as a sponsor of terrorism, even though by seizing the zaporizhzhia npp, it is a major terrorist well, the state is simply blackmailing the whole world in the history of humanity. in my opinion, this has never happened before. you and i said that what russia has done is an ecological nuclear weapon, and this is a comparison in which i do not see, unfortunately,