[000:00:00;00] such as water, hygiene products and food. of course, the united states of america closely monitors what russia is doing , and obviously the services become the basis for making certain decisions not only by the united states of america. including the dnieper water, and the current situation around the kakhov hpp endangers or , shall we say, has certain consequences for the zaporizhzhia npp. and why is the united states of america still delaying recognizing russia uh, a sponsor of terrorism, although uh, after seizing the zaporizhzhia npp, a major terrorist state is simply blackmailing the whole world . in my opinion, there has never been such a thing in the history of mankind. they are left to

the end. you and i said that what russia has done is an ecological nuclear weapon, and this is a comparison in which i do not see, unfortunately, a particular pathos, but the recognition by the state of the sponsors of terrorism is a political thing, and the united states and our allies and partners consider it a nuclear weapon, since after that all real contacts are official or there semi-official ones no longer work, this means that the united states will not be able to work with russia on issues such as strategic arms control , putin killed the strategic arms control treaty and, more precisely , suspended it and sent it into a coma, but the united states hopes that at some point this dialogue

can be continued until i don't see it and i don't feel it, and the states will try to postpone the consideration of this issue to the very, very last moment, secondly , it would be very important for me now that we start again this discussion so that we show uh russia and the kremlin as international terrorists who no longer have red lines for us to start this discussion in the states so that we start this discussion in britain, you know that unfortunately the recognition of a state as terrorists has a national framework, for example in the european the union does not have any common definition . and who is a state that is a terrorist or a sponsor of terrorism? and there is enough cool

legislation that it is important for us and why for us this recognition and even work in this direction is absolutely critical, then the states already without additional e-e legal steps , terrorist countries can beat other countries with carts , this means that they can beat china, this means that they can be pained in the same turkey that we talked about with you today, in fact, there , kazakhstan, armenia, countries which help to circumvent such important sanctions today, that is why in the west, especially in the states, they are worried about the walls of their relations, the impossibility of permanently spoiling relations with the non-western world is, on

the one hand, political, i understand that, and emotional i absolutely do not understand what you mean, and here it is important to find a balance, a non-compromise between this, namely a balance. nevertheless, the recognition of a country by terrorists remains a political nuclear weapon for the states, for britain. well, for the eu , but there the legislation is not powerful enough and there is actually a lot to knock out the perception of this legislation political is possible, but this will require additional work, and the political and legal secretary of the red security service of the russian federation, patrushev, says that ukraine is only a tool in the hands of the west , and there is no non-international russia and

ukraine well, this rhetoric is coming from the mouths of the kremlin elders for a long time . the west did not succeed in the axis, there is a guest of the coup in minsk in the 20th year . well, washington’s satellites did not succeed in their plans. i would like to note that the continuation of the crisis around ukraine is not beneficial to anyone except the united states. well, this is ordinary rhetoric, but what got me involved in this rhetoric is that he once again said that we are sure of our victory a-ah or whether well, how should the world react to this, because the states are saying that russia must necessarily suffer a defeat and mr.

patroshev how i got confused in the testimony, as they sometimes say, but pay attention, this quote was very well chosen, he says about well, in quotes, the peoples of russia and ukraine well, his boss, uh, putin says that there is one people, there are no ukrainians, there is no and peter, what already admitted that there are ukrainians, as he says , the people of ukraine. he will then make excuses to say something in russian about belonging and so on, but they didn’t write something to me here, or wrote it incorrectly, so let it be justified in their radbez or whatever they are called there, but in fact they repeat it as a mantra and will continue to repeat it

pay attention to what is happening in russia in the last few days . it is beautiful . we are already used to his videos. what game is he playing ? er, one of the most famous ukrainians for many years, ukraine of the fobs who was responsible for the development of the strategy for the cis is starting to say, so, we did not achieve any goal in relation to the so-called special military operation, and if we did not achieve it, then we now do not have the resources to defeat ukraine at all , and something needs to be done here in a couple in the next few days, another well-known ukrainophobe from semenyan is released, who starts talking about disputed territories, that we are developing the brains of so-called russian patriots in quotation marks, starts talking about some kind of referendum, and

so on, and now the simple question is, what do you think? such people as the presumptuous nabo simanyan can speak without any sanction, well, in russia, whoever speaks of sanctions is already sitting , we have seen it. and if someone speaks, then he has a sanction, and in this way, in addition to testing, he also tests by internal reaction and the cream tests by external reaction first of all of the event and the fact that this happens with an interval of several days. this , in my opinion, is very, very revealing and it means that the subjects began to spin various options around their future behavior. well , the last thing, as they say, is the cherry on the cake that uh, putin's spokesman said that he is moving his public communication uh, which was uh, such a tradition, an annual tradition, to the end

of the year. so we can draw conclusions from this, and the phone line we are talking about is the phone line that is traditionally held by putin in june , now it it was moved to november, december, and the last time he communicated, i think it was in the 21st year, if i'm not mistaken, that is, he has nothing to say to the people. well, it's not just that there's nothing there in russia, it's the opposite. in russia, the people there are separate , and the leadership is separate and they are one with one they don't communicate propaganda, it's the influence of the leadership on the people. well, of course, it's the other way around. what about politics, in our sense, is responsibility, eh, that's all for russia , finally, well, the last generation, eh. moreover, this

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for those who are currently watching us on youtube and in on facebook, please like this video, subscribe to our social networks and join our sponsor club youtube e.e. youtube channel espresso, we will be grateful for any help to our channel , contact us pavlo klimkin politician diplomat minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019. we are waiting for the inclusion of biden and sunak from washington and to actually analyze what the president of the united states of america and the prime minister of great britain have agreed on. but before therefore, mr. pavla, i would like to ask you about what was said by general, former secretary general of nato razmusen, who speaks about the prospects of nato, about the prospects of ukraine in nato, about the prospects of the july summit of the north atlantic alliance in vilnius

, a small fragment, synchronized with rasmusna , the only real guarantee of security that can be provided to ukraine in the long term this is ukraine's membership in nato and i think that now is the time to give ukraine an invitation to join the alliance, especially i think that this should be done at the summit in vilnius in july of this year, but if this cannot be achieved, at least at this summit ukraine's clear path to nato membership should be outlined, so it should be added that ukraine will need security guarantees until it can join the alliance, zelensky said that if there are no certain steps in side of ukraine, there is nothing for us to go to vlnu suva to advise the current e-e team at the bank on how to build this strategy and whether it is already clear whether there will be any steps

by the alliance towards ukraine in july, exactly those in vilnius or not membership in nato is a vital issue. if you want to be exceptional and take a well-argued position here, this is what you need. that's why i'm with both hands for what i'm doing and with alliances with each of our allies - a very simple conversation that should boil down to the fact that any decision that does not include membership in nato will end in a new explosion that will be much bigger that will capture europe and also eurasian wars and there are no other options. i believe

that any decision that leaves us a kind of porcupine, as the americans like to say, give us more weapons, give us help and say, well, you are the second israel , this kind of central european, this all does not take into account many things. because in the case of israel, it has nuclear weapons and we know it , it has no enemies, at least not yet in us , the situation is exactly the opposite in russia , we have these weapons, we don’t have them, besides, the whole logic of supporting israel is based on the need to maintain a military advantage , a qualitative military advantage as far as russia is concerned we would like to do it, but unfortunately we can do it only as part of a collective measure and over and above the fact that russia will use any period of hopeless guarantees in order to

shake the situation to the maximum. less than the third important argument how from the point of view of economic stability and sustainability will we do it because if we are an element of deterrence for ourselves and for nato then what part of our budget will we use for military purposes on the security body and it is rather there will be a really crazy price, that's why all these conversations around and what will happen and will it drag us into a war with russia? i see how the red lines, from which the west always like to make labyrinths, are actually moving away, and i'm sure that it will also move away

said one more interesting thing, super interesting, which you did not show, and somehow the troops in ukraine of the alliance, mr. serhiy, and this is a very, very cool story that i constantly defend and try to convince, and when they start telling me about some korean version which of course we all do not accept, but then i say listen, well, in the ukrainian version , even if you theoretically start talking about it, there were troops on one side, the americans, their allies, on the other side, the chinese, reinforced by the soviet union. of our border without the presence of nato, but for russia, as they like to say, the red line is actually the presence of nato and infrastructure on our territory, this is the last line after

we crossed the line with the planes, well, we need still with long-range weapons, but i think that you will be the last very red line to cross it like a river. i don’t want to use this comparison after the russians destroyed the kakhovka hpp. but nevertheless, we have to force it and eventually find ourselves in nato, and this should be the last vital thing forcing for us and as for the press conference and biden and sumnak, of course it would be great to talk to you about it and as for me let them talk more , the more they talk, the more they will agree on what it is together with the coordinated strategy, what additional steps with military aid can and should be taken, so that if they delay it is more like a positive signal for me, but still we will wait for time, we still have a long press conference, we are waiting for this

press conference and will broadcast it its er, but going back to the former secretary general of nato, his statement that er, nato countries separately, each country can er, send troops to ukraine, and he said that poland could become one of these countries. poland, as i understand it, has much more resources than many members of the alliance in eastern europe, in particular, the polish army and polish resources, and they are allowed to send some contingent to the territory of ukraine, and in this case , this will not apply the fifth paragraph of the fifth security charter of the north atlantic alliance and whether or not poland will put

itself under attack in this case well, first of all, i am certainly not a military expert and i do not think that i am here the best for the military experts can to provide arithmetic, but look, the polish armed forces will now be increased even quantitatively to plus or minus 300,000, they are now being armed with our er weapons samples. only and exclusively against russia, just like us, it is also clear to them that it is us and them, possibly also the baltic countries and other central european countries, but nevertheless they should become the main

element of deterrence. can we do it from the point of view of our resources and our psychological resolve, we definitely can, will this be a violation of article 5, even of the nato treaty? vilnius, a decision will be made about the possibility for us to conduct special consultations similar to article four of the nato treaty . since we have all already studied in almost detail the fifth legal article, but there is also article 4 on consultations, which can generate to initiate each ally well, in the end, let's read the fifth article, and it is about the actions of both the entire alliance and individual allies in the event of a threat, and i think

that such logic should be extended to the interaction with ukraine during the transition period to our membership as at least at the end of our conversation, i see that the press conference of biden and sunak is unfortunately delayed in washington . i wanted to ask you about this . on june 16 and 17, the arrival in kyiv and st. petersburg, respectively, has already been announced. representatives seven african countries, seven presidents, who were previously reported to be preparing a peace plan, or at least a plan to arrange peace in ukraine, and whether it will be kyiv first, then st. petersburg itself, or st. petersburg first, then where it is not known for sure at the moment, but what do you think, uh

, for russia there will be some kind of surprise . for them , the news of a will obviously be a surprise for us for them and no, mr. serhii, i think that we are also working well and our diplomats are working well, uh, we know who is behind this initiative in the countries that will come, we know about the brazilian foundation that is trying to play such a dynamic role for this initiative, that is, general images and and not only the general ones we usually know, and i think let them come, this is a very good story for us, we need closer communication with african countries, it will work

for us here in kyiv to explain in a very direct way on the one hand, with arguments on the other with the right emotions of conversation about what is going on for us and what will happen if we strive for the sake of everything that is important for them there is a good grain to some compromise for the sake of compromise and what will happen after that uh we have to explain it and again i think so that it may not be implemented, may it be ordinary, detached from reality, but greater communications with african countries in the end, they will fit and serve for our profits, but definitely not for the russians, that putin will manipulate

africa, that he considers africa to be of some kind the reality that used to be under russia , it doesn't work like that anymore, we see chinese influence, we see european american influence in africa, that's why russia in africa is becoming less and less in some countries, unfortunately, as in our country, it is trying to hold its position. but i think that africans will also understand what are all the freaks that are there , they are 100% good and worthy, uh, they won't be able to talk, communicate, communicate with africa.

plans, because there is a non-peaceful plan for a peaceful vision or china's vision for a peaceful settlement in ukraine, there is a brazilian version, there is a leader of the south african republic separately who also tried to articulate this peaceful plan , are there any peace initiatives of pope francis regarding the war in ukraine, can we what do we say about these peace plans that we say that one way or another they have the same root and they all come from the same center from moscow no really no you please don't insult the indonesians they also spoke at the schengen-labsingapuri conference with the so-called with a peace plan that smells very strong to minsk of some kind of variation and that plan definitely somehow has its legs growing somewhere around the kremlin, as far as the vatican is concerned

, there is no such thing as a peace plan, matyukan also has a vision and wants to play the role of such a role , except for the humanitarian component i don't see it in the literal sense, but where is the leak coming from? well, somehow, er, somehow, it's not worth it, it's not post-christian , let's say yes, you're absolutely right. well, the brazilians and all the others, let them come here too. let them communicate with us, that means that more interesting flows of information means that we have a chance to get an initiative, but you are right that now how many of these plans are there, that soon we will forget how many and which ones we will

be there somehow. they were sincere about it, but they didn't try to fix anything. that's how to blame me and when can you talk to them? and actually move on . as for the africans, are they sincere ? well, not an option. but nevertheless, they have ideas, they have influence and talk with them is 100% necessary thank you, mr. pavlo, for the conversation, unfortunately we did not wait for the press conference. i hope that we will talk about the results of this press conference . next time it was pavlo klimkin , a politician, a diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, friends for those who want to see a joint press - the conference of the president of the united states of america, joseph biden, and the head of the government of great britain , rishi sunaka, you can go to our

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