[000:00:00;00] another terrible terrorist act by the russian federation, and this terrorist attack was carried out in front of the whole world and the world has not yet reacted harshly to what putin is doing in the kherson region. what do you think, why ? considering how the world reacted to the full-scale invasion of russia and ukraine, and it was only a few months ago after buchi, the world finally began to come to its senses, to understand what actually makes up for the volumes in this disaster, which is still incomprehensible to the world, and unfortunately, these days

, the ukrainian e-e media, ukrainian factors are not worked as it should, although on time, the meeting of the un security council was initiated, and of course, we received , so to speak, a very important platform for conveying our truth, but unfortunately, even the leading agencies of the world, the leading publications of the world, they are well, they submitted the first information about this event in a very blurred state, without emphasizing on the guilt of russia for aggression for all these crimes . therefore, at this stage, it will be very important to bring to light the true extent of the destruction of the country, especially after the shelling.

after zelenskyi kherson, in fact, the enemy himself actually shifted the emphasis from customs clearance to the fact that it was the enemy's plan or if the enemy fires at evacuation groups that save the civilian population, it means that it was his plan to create such a scorched earth after himself and now it is very important to focus the attention of the world on this crime, it is necessary to appeal to all er sources available to er, in fact, it is important to delicately accompany er media groups so that journalists of western publications can orient themselves on the spot and see er understanding what uh, now if the enemy fired at the evacuation groups, then he will try to hit uh, media groups, which, uh, uh, the authorities can ensure uh, uh, come to cover these

events. it seems that the shelling after zelensky was provoked by the press service of the bank itself, probably they they were in too much of a hurry to report on zelenskyi's visit to kherson, after all, it is very reminiscent of the story when the sbu detained more than 30 bloggers in kyiv who hurried to cover the strikes on er, er, objects in kyiv, strikes and the work of air defense, and here the visit zelenskyi was in such a hurry to highlight that the enemy actually started killing in the city center, thinking that zelenskyi is there, i think that this is a mistake or a crime of the same order . if the bloggers are looking at the claims , let them also look at the press service of the bank, our colleague stas kozlyuk, who today was in kherson wrote on his facebook page about

the shelling of kherson just during the evacuation an hour ago the russians shelled the evacuation point on the ship square at that time there were more than a hundred people rescuers doctors evacuated civilian volunteers, the first shell exploded in the water 50 meters from us with stas yurchenko. i fell and didn't have time to take it. he photojournalist stas kozlyuk and astas mulotec, and they managed an hour. the russians fired at the evacuation point of civilians in kherson, tell us about the dialogue with the aggressor, well, stas kozlyuk is so ironic, mr. volodymyr , there is one more element missing in this story, because in principle , the third day of this catastrophe in the south is going on ukraine is the biggest man-made disaster in europe in the last few decades, it would be without exaggeration, and in this situation there is not enough

support from the world, because when there was an earthquake in turkey, literally in the first hour, planes from foreign countries from abroad began to fly in and help turkey. why in despite this situation, the international community and international organizations did not insist and did not call on russia to allow the same red cross and all the rescue services that could fly there and save people to the kherson region, why did they not achieve this because many people, it was probably possible to save those people who unfortunately died and who could not get out of the flow of water that came from the kakhovsky sea, well, first of all, the absolutely disgusting behavior of the un and the international red cross is absolutely clear that in turkey during the earthquake there was a civilian

a humanitarian mission, and here there is a mixture of military actions and man-made catastrophes. in fact, what the enemy did is comparable in its consequences to a nuclear attack, and we must now emphasize this to the whole world that in fact, after chernobyl, in europe , the biggest man-made disaster in the last 50 years was chernobyl. and now the kakhovskaya hpp is actually the volume of this. well, let's say that it will be difficult to calculate the damage and casualties in the near future. well, let's put it this way, it will be impossible to calculate all the consequences of this disaster. the question is that this is such

a polyphonic disaster. it hit the agricultural industry, the metallurgy, the transport industry, ecology, energy, eh , the housing of the lord, in the end, it is occupied berdyanskyi occupied crimea remains without water after that, and here the question is different. and why should they remain with water, for example , donetsk, and although he is now sitting without water for a long time, but the enemy himself destroyed it , let's remember how they stubbornly destroyed the reservoir in kryvyi rosi and destroyed it two months ago when they hit the siverskyi donets canal in donetsk, e-e, in essence, the water supply of e-e donetsk was destroyed by the enemy e-e even during

the anti-terrorist operation e-e there were some, well, conditional rules when even repair crews on the pumping station in donetsk could be approached and the equipment could be repaired. now, when the evacuation groups are fired upon by artillery, it is just a disaster, and here it is very important to explain to the world how tragic the situation is in ukraine and how human-hating the behavior of the aggressor in ukraine is, the silence of the world is here expectations, or blurred behavior in the search for who is more to blame, the aggressor is to blame for everything , there would be no aggression against ukraine, there would be no disaster at the kakhovsky hpp, this is the first

and second, such destruction can be committed only specialists know that for several months the station's engine room was mined and there were 1000 tons of explosives in the toilet. i generally worked in the navy. i know this hydroelectric power plant. ships when on well on one on another ship and i know this rex i know this waterway so literally two months ago we discussed infrastructure and technology at the university with waterway specialists already then it was clear that the water level in the kakhovsky on the kakhovsky vodosho and fell by more than four meters that it will not be easy to quickly restore navigation on this section of the dnieper, but now it is already a complete

disaster. by the way, about the reaction of the un. today in kyiv, under the office of the united nations , an action was taken to leave russia. people came out with posters on which it was written stop the genocide and russia is a terrorist state, the participants of the action also chanted the word ussl, which in english means inactive activists pasted posters with the same word on the off-road vehicles of the un mission in the capital eh, we know what ended the nations after the second world war and we know that the league of nations went through the stage of expelling the soviet union from the league of nations in 1939, when the soviet union

attacked finland eh now we see how the un simply stagnates and cannot do anything, although this is its main function of this organization, the security function, and they should somehow react to what is happening in ukraine, but during the last 15 months, we see complete inaction, or perhaps with with a call to exclude russia from the un, perhaps we should push for the dissolution of the un and the creation of some new security organization in the world . well, so far, the main players are talking about an evolutionary change. permanent members, and china doesn't like it very much. the second is the legal deprivation of the aggressor. that is, any country

that becomes an aggressor commits aggressive actions , even a member of the security council is deprived of its legal and security rights, and there are a few more. a novel of such about non-permanent members but in fact one comparison can be recorded if the un was formed as a result of the defeat of japan by nazi germany in the second world war, then germany and japan are now one of the key countries of the world technological leaders and they are not among the number of permanent members of the security council is india , the largest, the most numerous country in the world, the african continent is not represented in the security council, ukraine , which was the first in the world to get rid of its huge

nuclear potential, is also behind this feat should claim permanent membership in the soviet security council, and australia is a very important country. the continent is not represented among the permanent members of the soviet security council. therefore, it is very important now. well, so far, the concept of evolutionary changes really dominates eh, to start the change eh in the security council among the permanent members eh, and then, eh, eh, building more effective institutions eh, because otherwise, eh, in its current form, it is simply not needed, it eats up billions eh the bureaucracy of univska is alive, it

's almost worth mentioning what kind of money the african countries on which the un food program is allegedly being eaten are being eaten by the bureaucracy itself. people there take this program like flies very often, no food reaches them right away on the same day when the russians struck the kakhovka hpp, russian propagandists began to spread the topic of and what will happen if we will hit the entire cascade of hydroelectric power stations on the dnieper, and in particular the kyiv hpp, let's hear how russian propagandists discussed - it came to the destruction of the hydroelectric power station on the air of their tv channels. take a closer look at the beginning of this cascade of the kiev ussr there. there is a beautiful reservoir that is slightly higher than kiev

. i think there are four kilometers of cubic water. you need to go to the kharkiv region, and they live a completely peaceful life there , they set up artillery and , so to speak, they are engaged in the destruction of our border cities without any military facilities , simply destroying the civil infrastructure well, what are we ?

says that it is impossible to destroy the kyiv hydroelectric power station, and yet if russia goes in the upward direction, that is, starting from the kakhovka hydroelectric power station, and starts simply raising rates with strikes on hydroelectric power stations, what will this eventually lead to? russia will have to compensate for all the losses of ukraine with territories, and now it is necessary to raise the question of whether, as reparations, russia would pay with territories, and with good chernozems, that is, with an assessment of the quality of the agricultural lands. was approximately equal to the lost ukraine, well, the land destroyed by the aggressor, this is the first and second blow to the cascade and such a cascade collapse eh

, that is, a wave that will break, well, a kyiv wave that will go to kaniv, then to kremenchug, a cascade that will collapse all hydroelectric power plants, it is impossible to do it is possible to seize the hydroelectric power station and blow it up from the inside with external blows. there is no such thing. well, because there is a reserve of such power that would destroy the hydroelectric power station, you can only seize the engine room and blow up the point, well, according to the project documentation, blow up the main supports of the gate , as the gates were blown up on the kakhovsky hydroelectric power station and so that well, there are no such rockets , even a nuclear strike is possible, er, a strategic nuclear strike. it should not destroy the dams . thank you, but even on kakhovka, the whole is only er

destroyed, well, this very station is the same the most concrete carpathian engine room yes well, let's hope that russia will not dare to do this. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation. it was volodymyr tsibulko, a political expert, friends, we are in touch with pavlo klimkin, a politician, a diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, mr. pavla good evening. i congratulate you and i am glad to see you in our studio. i congratulate you, mr. serhiy. i congratulate your viewers and i am glad to be with you . only russia is responsible for the marine hydroelectric power plant, the white house said. dams are russia's responsibility, why are international structures starting to talk again about the need for some commissions to conduct some research, erdogan says that we will create an interdepartmental, some kind

of interstate commission to find out, although it is obvious that russia is carrying out a terrorist attack on foreign territory. it seems that all the cards are open and it's so clear are they just playing a fool, well with the west actually, uh, everything is fine everything is okay, uh, the west, uh, on our side , he understands what is happening, the shoemaker's words about a new dimension i am ready to subscribe to every word, of course, like you and everyone , i would really like it not to end with such pathetic and emotional words, and when there is , i look at the reaction of our allies and partners and at the same time hear from my sources of technology

it is already somehow slipping into content, the discussions on the 11th package of sanctions are difficult and instead of escalation there are difficulties in agreeing to it or for example everyone says that of course russia is responsible but does not get a new impetus for the discussion regarding the recognition of russia as a sponsor of terrorism, this is really me worries about playing his own game there. his own among strangers, among his own , he will try to present himself not just as a peacemaker, but as a unique mediator, a mediator between putin's actions. he believes that he has a unique relationship with putin that does not exist in there is no one else and it is unfortunately more than clear why and i think that he will use this situation to show

that only the turkish language can communicate today between us and the west and accordingly somehow putin is better or worse but nevertheless to communicate, well, there is a third big choice, this is not the western world . and there, of course, it is very important for us to show that this is pandora's box , it is open , that the destruction of critical infrastructure can reach everyone. in the grammar book, but the real thing is even cooler in terms of its scale , we can see it all perfectly, and now one of our challenges is very actively, very drivingly

, to talk to the non-western world in order to attract it, maybe not completely to its own side, but mainly to myself. this is a challenge to me. well, if not the number one member, then the number two member. well, the last thing is that we have a lot of emotions about the international organizations of the un red cross. i am here. well, like you, like everyone, you are very emotional, of course, but as a person who has worked with them for many years, you know my attitude, i am very, very skeptical . is really not expected and what is sad that they are

not only do they not do what they should, but they don't even try to do it. and here i will put three dots to really be a censor. ms. ambassador of the united states of america to ukraine brigitte brings said that the attack on the kakhov hessians is a terrible example of the devastating actions of russia. what else did i say, ms. ambassador, i want to say a few words about the kakhov dam and the explosion that happened there. i will start by saying that this is an example of the devastating consequences of the russian war, which puts millions of people at risk. this is a reminder for us and for everyone to support the organizations that work hard over the provision of assistance such as water is well, of course, the united states of america closely monitors and data of the american special services become the basis for making certain decisions not only by the united states of america e.e. considering that the zaporizhia

npp is under the control of the russian federation, which is cooled, including with the dnieper water and the current situation around the kakhov hpp endangers or, let's say, has certain consequences for the zaporizhzhia npp. and why is the united states of america still delaying to recognize russia is a sponsor of terrorism, although after seizing the zaporizhia npp, a major terrorist state is simply blackmailing the whole world. in my opinion, there has never been such a thing in the history of mankind . we will leave it to the end. you and i said that what russia has done is an ecological nuclear weapon and this is a comparison in which i do not see, unfortunately, a particular pathos, but the recognition of sponsors by the state as terrorism is a political thing, and the united states and our

allied partners consider it to be a nuclear weapon, because after that all real contacts are official or there on biovision more are not working, this means that the united states will not be able to work with russia on issues such as strategic arms control. putin killed the strategic arms control treaty, or rather suspended it and sent it to a coma, but the united states hopes for a moment. this dialogue can be continued until i see it and i don't feel it and the states will try to postpone the consideration of this issue really to the very, very last moment . secondly, for me now it would be very important that

we start this discussion again so that we show e.e. russia and the kremlin as international terrorists who no longer have red lines for us to start this discussion in the states, for us to start this discussion in britain, you know that unfortunately the recognition of a state as a terrorist has a national framework, for example, in the european union there is no common the definition of who is a state, a terrorist or a sponsor of terrorism is a sufficiently cool legislation and that it is important for us and why is this recognition and even work in this direction absolutely critical then the states are already without of additional e-e legal steps, terrorist countries can beat with carts with other

countries, this means that they can beat on china, this means that they can be on india , on the same turkey that we talked about with you today, actually on there, kazakhstan, armenia, countries that they help to bypass such important sanctions today, that's why in the west , especially in the states, they are worried about the state of their relations, the impossibility of permanently spoiling relations with the non-western world is, on the one hand , political, i understand that, and emotional. how are you, eh? i absolutely do not understand, and here it is important to find a balance, a non-compromise between this, namely a balance. nevertheless, the recognition of terrorists by the country remains a political nuclear weapon for the states, for britain. well, for the eu, but there

the legislation is not powerful enough and in fact, the perception of this legislation can be knocked out by a lot of politics, but for this additional work will be required, and the political and legal secretary of the red security service of the russian federation, patrushev, says that ukraine is only a tool in the hands of the west, and there is no international cooperation between russia and ukraine well, this rhetoric is coming from the mouths of the kremlin elders, let’s look at patroshev for a long time and continue the conversation. is ukraine always in the hands of ukraine and there is no war between the peoples of russia and ukraine? in its victory, the axis failed to succeed in the future. the coup in minsk in the 20th year

was a guest. well, washington’s satellites did not show their plans. i would like to note that the continuation of the crisis around ukraine is not beneficial to anyone except the united states. i was involved in this rhetoric that he once again said that we are sure of our victory or not. well, how should the world react to this, because the states are talking about the fact that russia must necessarily suffer a defeat. as they sometimes say, but pay attention, this quote was very well chosen, he says about the peoples of russia and ukraine, well, in quotes, and his boss, putin, says that there is one nation, there are no ukrainians, there is

no one. and peter, who has already admitted that he is such ukrainians as he says the people of ukraine he then it will be justified to say something in russian, peace about belonging and so on, but something was not written to me here, or it was written incorrectly, so let it be then and here on your radbez or what are they called there