[000:00:00;00] and permanent members, and then the construction of more effective institutions . oh, otherwise, in its current form, it is simply not needed. it eats up billions. the bureaucracy of univska lives. by the very bureaucracy of the un food program, the african countries on which this program is allegedly projected people there take it like flies very often no food reaches them right away on the same day when the russians struck the kakhova hydroelectric power station, russian propagandists began disperse the topic and what will happen if we hit the entire cascade of hydroelectric power stations on the dnieper and in particular the kiev hydroelectric power station, let's hear how

russian propagandists discussed it on the air of their tv channels, it came to the destruction of the hydroelectric station, in general, it is possible to look at the beginning of this cascade of kievskoy issa there, a beautiful reservoir so slightly - a little higher than kiev, there are four kilometers of cubic water in my opinion. it is absolutely necessary, i repeat once again, it is necessary to go to the kharkiv region and uh, they live a completely peaceful life there, they put artillery and uh, they are engaged , so to speak, in the destruction of our border towns without any military facilities , i simply destroy the civil infrastructure. well, what are we pochemu мы бытый быты так сакать шавтие папы римского п

volodymyr, if russia can quite possibly dare to strike the cascade of the hydroelectric power station on the dnieper, eh, could this lead to an even greater disaster in ukraine well, it is clear in kyiv, although general naev says that it is impossible to destroy the kyiv hpp, and yet if russia goes on a weekend, that is, starting with the kakhov hpp well, it will simply start raising rates with strikes on hydroelectric power stations. what will this lead to in the end well, in the end, russia will have to compensate for all the losses of ukraine with the territories, and now the question must be raised that, as reparations, russia

will pay with the territories, and with good chernozems, that is, with an assessment of how you are and the quality agrarian land that would be approximately equal to the land lost in ukraine, well, the land destroyed by the aggressor, this is the first and second blow to the cascade and such a cascade collapse , that is, a wave that will knock down well, a kyiv wave that will go to kaniv, then to kremenchug, which will cascade to collapse all hydroelectric power plants it is impossible to do, it is possible to capture the hydroelectric power plant and blow it up from the inside with external blows. there is no such thing. well, because there is a reserve of such power that would destroy the hydropower plant, you can only capture the engine room and blow up the point, well, according to the project

documentation, blow up the main supports, well, the gate since the gates were blown up at the kakhovsky hpp and so that well, there are no such rockets , you can even launch a nuclear strike, uh, well, a strategic nuclear launch. it should not destroy the dams. thank you, even on kakhovka, the whole is only uh, destroyed, well, this very station is the same the most concrete carpathian engine room yes well, let's hope that russia will not dare to do this. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation. it was volodymyr tsibulko, a political expert, friends, we are in touch with pavlo klimkin, a politician, a diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, mr. pavla good evening. i congratulate you and i am glad to see you in our studio. i congratulate you, mr. serhiy. i congratulate your viewers, and i am glad to be with you

. only russia is responsible, the white house said. in russia, why are international structures starting to talk again about the need for some commissions to be conducted , some research is needed, erdogan says that we will create an interdepartmental, some kind of interstate commission in order to find out though it's obvious that russia is on someone else's territory. russia is planning a terrorist attack. and it seems that all the cards are open and it's so clear. are they just playing fools? well, with the west. in fact, everything is fine. everything is okay. the west is on our side . he understands what is happening.

about a new dimension i am ready to sign under every word, of course, like you and everyone, i would very much like it not to end with such pathetic emotional words and when there is , i look at the reaction of our allies and partners and at the same time hear from my sources and that's it somehow slips into the content is difficult there are discussions on the 11th package of sanctions and instead of escalation there are difficulties in agreeing to it or, for example, everyone says that, of course, russia is responsible, but it does not receive a new impetus for the discussion regarding the recognition of russia as a country sponsoring terrorism, this is what it really is. i am worried about them, how to play their game e-

he will try to present himself not just as a peacemaker, but as a unique mediator, a mediator between putin's actions . he believes that he has a unique relationship with putin that no one else has, and that's it. unfortunately, it is more than clear why and i think that he will use this situation to show that only turkish can communicate today between us and the west and , accordingly, somehow putin is better or worse but nevertheless to communicate, well, there is a third big choice this is not the western world. and there , of course, it is very important for us to show that this is pandora's box, it is open, that the destruction of critical infrastructure can reach everyone. and if

this happens, it is an environmental nuclear weapon , it is a nuclear weapon that destroys critical the infrastructure may not be in the literal sense of the state, but in reality it is even cooler in terms of its scale, we can see everything perfectly, and now one of our challenges is very actively, very drivingly to talk to the non-western world in order to attract it, maybe not completely to its own side, but mainly to myself. this seems like a challenge to me. well, if not number one, then definitely the last number two. well, and the last one. well , we have a lot of emotions about the international organizations of the un red cross

and i am here. since you like everyone are very emotional of course, but as a person who has worked with them for many years, you know my attitude, i am very, very skeptical, of course now, uh , i will try to stay within the censorship framework , but from all these structures , unfortunately, uh, i really do not expect anything special, and what it is sad that they not only do not do what they should, but also do not try to do it and here i will put three dots to really be censorious ms. ambassador of the united states of america to ukraine bridget brings said that the attack on the kakhov hessians is a terrible example of the devastating actions of russia what else did the ambassador say? i want to say a few words about

the kakhov dam and the explosion that happened there . i will start by saying that this is an example of the devastating consequences of the russian war, which puts millions of people at risk. how is this possible? well, of course, it is obvious. they have the most complete data about how the russian sloboda special services , e.e., become the basis for making certain decisions not only by the united states of america , e.e. considering that under the control of the russian the federation is home to the zaporizhzhia npp, which is also cooled by dnipro water, and the current situation around the kakhov hpp endangers, or shall we say, has certain consequences for the zaporizhzhia npp. and why is the united states of america still delaying to recognize russia is a sponsor of terrorism, although after seizing the zaporizhia npp, a major terrorist state is simply blackmailing the whole world

. in my opinion, there has never been such a thing in the history of mankind. they are left to the end. you and i said that what russia has done is an ecological nuclear weapon and that a comparison in which i do not see, unfortunately, a particular pathos, but the recognition by the state of the sponsors of terrorism is a political one, and the united states and our allied partners are considered such nuclear weapons, because after that all real contacts, whether official or there, on the biovision no longer work, this means that the united states will not be able to work with russia on issues such as strategic arms control, putin killed the strategic arms control treaty, or rather suspended it

and sent it to a coma, but the united states hopes at some point this dialogue can be continued until i do not see it and do not feel it and the states will try to postpone the consideration of this issue really to the very, very last moment second for me now it would be very important that we start this discussion again so that we show uh i see the kremlin as international terrorists who no longer have red lines for us to start this discussion in the states, so that we start this discussion in britain, you know that unfortunately the recognition of a state as a terrorist has

a national framework, for example in the european the union does not have any common definition. and who is a state that is a terrorist or a sponsor of terrorism? legislation is cool enough and that it is important for us and why this recognition and even work in this direction is absolutely critical, then the states are already without additional ones. of legal steps, terrorist countries can beat other countries with carts, this means that they can beat china, this means that they can be in india , in the same turkey that we talked about with you today, in fact, there kazakhstan armenia is a country that helps countries bypass such important sanctions today, that's why the west, especially in the states, is worried about the state of their relations, the impossibility of permanently spoiling

relations with the non-western world is, on the one hand , political, i understand that, and emotional. how do you uh, i absolutely do not understand here either it is important to find a balance, a non-compromise between this, namely a balance . nevertheless, the country's recognition of terrorists remains a political nuclear weapon for the states, for britain. well, for the eu, but there the legislation is not powerful enough to knock out in fact, the adoption of this legislation is politically possible, but it will require additional work and the political and legal secretary of the red security service of the russian federation, patrushev, says that ukraine is only a tool in the hands of the west and there is no non-international relations between russia and ukraine . well, this rhetoric comes from the mouths of kremlin elders let's look at patroshev for a long time and

continue the conversation. does ukraine always lie in your hands and there is no war between the people of russia and ukraine, there is only open aggression of the usa, and our country protects the people of their territory are confident in their victory, the west failed to suck the guest of the coup in minsk in the 20th year. well , the plans of washington and his satellites did not work . i would like to note that the continuation of the crisis around ukraine is not beneficial to anyone except the united states . what got me involved in this rhetoric is that he once again said that we are sure of our victory or not . well, how should the world react to this, because the states are talking about

the fact that russia must necessarily suffer a defeat. and mr. patroshev is confused about me in testimony as they sometimes say, but pay attention, this quote was very well chosen, he says about the peoples of russia and ukraine, well, in quotes, and his boss, putin, says that there is one nation, there are no ukrainians, there is no one. and peter, who has already admitted that he is such ukrainians, as he says, the people of ukraine. he will then justify himself by saying something in russian, peace about belonging , and so on, but something was not written to me here, or was written incorrectly, so let it be then and here on his radbez or whatever they are called there justified but in reality they repeat it like a mantra and will continue to repeat it. pay attention

to what is happening in russia in the last days before prigozhin. we are already used to his videos . what game is he playing ? there is still a lot of interesting things here. but first, pay attention to zatulin, who is one of the most famous ukrainian ukraine phobes, who was responsible for developing a strategy for the cis for many years, begins to say that we have not achieved any goal regarding the so-called special military operations, and if we did not achieve it, then we now do not have the resources to defeat ukraine at all, and something needs to be done here, in a couple of days, another well-known ukrainophobe from simanyan is released, who starts talking about disputed territories, which develops the brain in the so-called

russian language in quotes, then starts talking about some kind of frost referendum we went on and on, and now the simple question is, do you think that such people as zuduli nabo simanyan can speak without any sanction? well, in russia, whoever speaks without sanctions is already sitting, we have seen it. and if someone speaks, then he has a sanction and thus, in addition to testing, in addition to testing the internal reaction and the cream tests the external reaction, first of all, the event and the fact that it happens with an interval of several days. this , in my opinion, is very, very revealing and it means that the subjects began to spin various options around their future behavior. and the last one, as they say, is the icing on the cake, that uh, putin's spokesman said that he is rescheduling his public communication, uh, which was uh

, such a tradition, an annual tradition at the end of the year. so, from this, we can draw conclusions and the telephone line is about the telephone line that is traditionally held by putin in june, now it has been postponed to november and december, and the last time he communicated, i think it was in the 21st year, if i'm not mistaken, that is, he has nothing to say to the people well, it's not just there in russia it's the opposite in russia, the people are separate and the leadership is separate and they don't communicate with each other. propaganda is the influence of the leadership on people. well, of course, it's the other way around. and the fact that politics there is, in our sense , responsibility, uh, that's all for russia finally, the last generation, i think it is lost, there is a completely different reality, a reality called

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join our sponsor club youtube e.e. youtube channel espresso we will thank you for any help to our channel . we are in touch with pavlo klimkin , politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019. of the united states of america and the prime minister of great britain but before that, mr. pavla, i would like to ask you about what the former nato secretary general razmusen said about nato's prospects about ukraine's prospects in nato on the prospects of the july summit of the north atlantic alliance in vilnius, a small fragment synchronized with rasmusna, the only real guarantee of security that

can be provided to ukraine in the long term is ukraine's membership in nato, and i think that now is the time to give ukraine an invitation to join the alliance, especially i think it is necessary to be done at the summit in vilnius in july of this year, but if this cannot be achieved, at least at this summit a clear path for ukraine to nato membership should be outlined, so it should be added that ukraine will security guarantees of equality are needed before it will be able to join the alliance, president zelenskyi said. if there are no certain steps towards ukraine, then there is nothing for us to go to the free suva to advise the current team of e-e at the bank e how to build this strategy and whether is it already clear whether there will be any steps by the alliance towards ukraine at the july summit in vilnius or not membership in nato is a vitally important question if

you want to be exceptional and take a strongly argued position here, that is what is needed, so i two hands for me for er having alliances with each of our allies er , a very, very simple conversation that should boil down to the fact that any decision that does not include membership in nato will end in a new explosion that will be much more a bigger one that will take over europe and also the eurasian dimension and there are no other options. i believe that any decision that leaves us as a kind of wild boar , as the americans like to say, give us more weapons, give us help and say, well, you are

the second israel, this kind of central european is not all takes into account many things since in the case of israel, it has nuclear weapons and we know it, its enemies do not exist, at least for now, we have the exact opposite situation in russia, these weapons are uh, we don't have them , besides, the whole logic of uh, support for israel is based on necessity to maintain a military advantage qualitatively a military advantage as far as russia is concerned, we would like to do it, but unfortunately we can do it only as part of a collective measure and the fact that russia will use any period of hopeless guarantees in order to destabilize the situation in

the maximum is also absolutely clear to us. well, the last one, well, not the last one, to be precise. but nevertheless, the third important argument . how will we do it from the point of view of economic stability and sustainability, since if we are an element of deterrence for ourselves and for nato, then what part of our budget will we use for military purposes on the security body and it will rather be a really crazy price, that's why all these conversations around and what will happen and will it drag us into a direct war with russia ? labyrinths and i am sure that this will also be pushed aside and deya er andersen andersen said one more interesting thing super interesting that you did not show and somehow the troops can be sent to ukraine by some members of the alliance mr. sergey and this is a very, very cool story that i constantly

defend and i try to convince and when they start telling me about some korean version, which of course we all do not accept, but then i say, listen, well, in the ukrainian version, even if you theoretically start talking about it, there were troops on one side, the americans and their allies on the other hand, the chinese were reinforced by the soviet union. and that was the only way to stabilize how you talk about the stabilization of our border without the presence of nato, but for russia, as they like to say, the red line is actually the presence of infrastructure on our territory, this is the last line after we crossed the line with airplanes, well, we still need long-range weapons, but i think that in front of him, in this last very red line, it is like a river

to cross. no less, we have to force it and eventually find ourselves in nato, and this should be the last force that is vitally important for us. and as for the press conference and biden and sumnak, of course, it would be great to talk to you about it. and what about me ? the more they talk, the more they will agree on what is jointly with the carded strategy, what additional steps with military aid can and should be taken, so that if they drag it, it seems to me more like a positive signal, but still, let's wait , we still have a long time press conference, we will broadcast it in anticipation of this press conference, but going back to the former secretary general of nato

, his statement that nato countries separately, each country can send troops to ukraine, and he said that one poland can become one of these countries. and poland actually has much more resources than many members of the alliance in eastern europe in particular. it is true that the polish army and polish resources allow them to send some contingent to the territory of ukraine . and in this case it won't be