[000:00:00;00] the deliberate destruction of the kakhov hydropower plants by the russians like this well, by the way, today greta tutmer finally made her statement about this. thank you for being with us. i will be with you until saturday, and our tera will continue the verdict program and serhiy rudenko, its host, be with us and watch dobrogo evening we are from ukraine, glory to ukraine, this is a program, my name is serhii rudenko, greetings to all, the president of russia , vladimir putin, announced that the ukrainian army went on a counteroffensive, according to the words of the kremlin grandfather, about the use of the strategic reserves of the ukrainian army to him the intelligence reported, against this background, the russians continue to search kherson, where the evacuation of those ukrainians who suffered from the explosion of the kakhova hpp is taking place, today, who

yesterday, the occupiers are hitting the city with artillery and hail , on monday, on june 12 , a meeting between scholz duda and macron is planned in paris, which will be to discuss the security guarantees of ukraine, these security guarantees will then be discussed at the july nato summit to be held in vilnius, meanwhile, russia continues to lose manpower and equipment in in ukraine, russia has already lost 213,000,770 people in the country in just the last day, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 10 orks with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,901 tanks, 7,600 armored combat vehicles, 3,700 two artillery systems, 599 rocket launchers , 359 air defense systems, 314 aircraft 299 helicopters, 6,410 units of automotive equipment, 18 ships

, boats, 1,171 cruise missiles, 3,247 drones, 502 units of special equipment, putin has everything going according to plan, three versions of the development of the war in ukraine almost in nato well, and the consequences of the tragedy from the explosion of the kakhovo hpp, we will talk about this and other things for the next hour . i want to introduce today's guest - he is a politician-diplomat and the minister of ukrainian affairs in 2007-2009 volodymyr hryshko , mr. volodymyr good afternoon good day to you health and thank you for being with us on the air. i congratulate you, mr. serhiy, good health and to all our dear tv viewers, mr. volodymyr, let 's start with the global catastrophe, which, in principle, came not only to ukraine, but also to the world

this is the undermining of the kakhova hpp by the russian occupiers. ukraine is now overcoming the consequences of this disaster, but it is obvious that these consequences will be felt not only by ukraine, but also by the whole world. well, accordingly, the world must come to a cause-and-effect relationship, why it happened , how it happened, and in which country it happened the way it happened implies the recognition that the russians must get out of ukrainian territory and it was the arrival of the russians that led to the destruction of this dam. why, according to you, mr. volodymyr , is there no global reaction to this disaster you know, i think that the reason is the zinc connection, everyone in the west has already understood for a long time, well, it will have to be the last ones. sorry for the word, uh, losers and uh, well, not very smart people, in order not to

follow this connection, well, it's obvious to everyone that the russian federation is to blame for all the crimes committed in ukraine, and it seems to me that all this talk about some kind of investigation, about some kind of commission, well, it's all completely delusional , and i explain it to this wavering exclusively with one moment, fear, fear e measures before the necessity of very strict measures in life the answer is because if we look at what happened at the kakhovsky hpp, and we are already talking about it, it is actually the use of weapons of mass destruction, it is something that can actually be compared to tactical nuclear weapons in terms of their consequences, not everything else, only without radioactive infection of the territory, everything else is present, it is necessary to at least somehow react

to it , and somehow this means very harshly and to say that such things must be answered and answered seriously. absolute nonsense, as they say there in galicia, where you are now , and they are trying to invent something to somehow delay the adoption of this necessary decision, and that's why there will be commissions, that's why there will be conversations about the fact that something else needs to be clarified , although everything has long been clear to everyone and there will be a way and in this way there will be an attempt to move away from the need to make decisions, that's actually how i see the consequences of everything that happened at this dam and why the west continues to play in this uncertainty, he is afraid decision making ot this is my version

what is happening, volodymyr, is what our correspondent dmytro didora, who worked in kherson yesterday, is seeing. now he is in mykolaiv. we will also hear from him on the phone. dmytro. greetings. good evening. good evening serhiy. please tell me how the situation is developing in kherson. and in mykolaiv i understand that the main wave of refugees from kherson, those who were evacuated, is now moving to mykolaiv, what are the conditions there for those who suffered from this disaster, and is everything enough, like in mykolaiv too i feel this tragedy, it is meant there, i know there is also flooding from this disaster well, in fact , you can see the consequences of the explosion of the kakhovskaya hpp in mykolaiv

, just behind me, this is the namyv neighborhood, and you can see that the gazebos of one of the local cafes have been washed away, and as reported by the locals there was a beach here, which is now completely flooded. regarding the people displaced from kherson to mykolaiv , the regional administration told us that people do not stay here, but they go or further to some other safe regions of our country, and they can stay in kherson, and i will say that the majority really remain in the regions of kherson that are not flooded and are waiting until the high water leaves the city and it will be possible to return to their homes and about mykolaiv. i will return to mykolaiv when the water level in the water area remains at the meter mark .

point at 1 m and five centimeters, yesterday at 11:00 p.m., the water reached such a mark, but at night she had already gone to bed, and according to information from the minister of community development of the territory and infrastructure of ukraine oleksandr kubrakova, we know that due to the explosion of the kakhovo hpp in the dnipro, dangerous substances were found in the dnipro, and let's hear what it is, is it threatening mykolaiv ? it has already reached the dnipro river. this is the president . deterioration of water quality, the accumulation and spread of toxins in it . janska sich can be avoided forever water that is possibly polluted can be polluted precisely for this reason when it was announced that it does not enter the water intake of the city of

mykolaiv, at the moment it is being conducted somewhere approximately triple control only on the approach to our treatment facilities, losses have already been calculated only for water resources due to the explosion of the kakhova hydroelectric power station, there will be losses of two billion hryvnias, and as reported by the minister of community development of the territory and infrastructure of ukraine, oleksandr kubrakov, the numbers will change in a geometric progression , accordingly, it will only grow i can say only one thing about the people of kherson - they are really heroic people, they are people who survived the occupation of the shelling of the russian federation and now came to them and a lot of water and most of them are told by local residents who help rescuers to evacuate local even emergency buildings, it's like surfing boards go to

a dangerous area on the korabel, because it is constantly under fire from the enemy and how it is in the palm of your hand, you can, you can, you can look at it from the left the coast of the kherson region, local people go there, collect the coordinates of the residents who need to be evacuated and give them to the rescuers. and they told me that people there start generators to somehow hold on and even bake bread and let's we hear kherson residents who evacuated as soon as the big water started to come, the water went away, we started to get scared, we started to leave the apartments, the car was parked in the entrance, the kharkovskaya car was standing, and the guys were good, attentive things, they took it, started it, sat it down, and so we began to collect people on the island, our house near the plant, the first one is on the roadway, and only at the lake i look at the lake

in front of the balcony it is visible that the wave is foaming because it is being done yes i understood that the water has gone, it has been possible to evacuate the ship from the flooded area in kherson for more than two thousands of local residents, and as i have already told you, they all want to wait out the high water and definitely return home . also, the military administration in the kherson regional military administration emphasized that the situation in kherson is dangerous at the moment . around 3 p.m. today, the enemy began shelling kherson. and in the places of evacuation of the civilian population, therefore the military administration calls on both journalists and volunteers to postpone their trip to kherson and on this part of the front, it has the following

information from the mykolaiv region from the kherson region sergey thank you dmytro it was dmytro didora our correspondent who works in kherson and today in mykolaiv p volodymyr considering the trouble that the russians brought to the south by blowing up the kakhova hydroelectric power plant, it is absolutely obvious what losses we will have and have already at this hour at this minute but obviously, russia is fighting not only for the south of ukraine, but also for african countries, if it didn't sound strange in this context, because the south of ukraine is ukraine's breadbasket, and a lot of enterprises of the agro-industrial complex will now be to suffer from the lack of water that they took from the kakhov sea, and it is quite obvious that despite

this, this question is somewhat rhetorical . and why did the russians blow up this kakhov hpp ? when the leaders of the seven african countries come to kyiv and moscow with a peace plan, it will be easier for putin to talk to them, because in this case, putin will simply intercept the initiative to provide food for africa after what happened with the kakhov hpp, and do you share this opinion well, i would also like to return to the topic of compensation that russia will definitely pay as a result of its military defeat in ukraine .

russia should calculate in its future budgets what it should return to ukraine, and this is certainly not the last figure , because it was before the explosion of this kakhov hpp before the calculation of all the losses that will occur after that. i think they will be oh, and what a forecast, by the way, quite a bit a sad forecast of up to one trillion dollars in losses, based on the results of what can happen, that's why i think that putin needs to think more about this than about african countries, and about their plan, believe me. well, i think that we shouldn't uh, well, just calm ourselves somehow uh, well, or think that they will bring something with them, that uh, that can be taken as a basis for some kind of peace negotiations for

this uh, well, there are no grounds for uh all representatives of african countries mostly sit on eh on handouts or on depending on russia, russia has been working there for decades, we russia buys, sells, mortgages, exchanges some regimes for others , so to speak, it does well because corruption in africa is like a good day, and this is how russia is known, i don't see just reasons to expect, well, some kind of, well, at least a new opinion in this regard. and will putin take advantage of this, because i think that we need to make sure that he does not

take advantage of it, in the end, well, that ammonia pipeline about which he dreams and decides not even him, but those people who want to earn from it and earn a lot, because it is a serious , economic, so to speak , and which gives enormous financial profits, then you just have to clearly take the position that this will not happen, that in the end there will be no supply of russian grain to africa either, because in the end, you have to understand that, and we can also influence this corridor, not only russia, and ask the ruba question, if you, dear british friends, want ukrainian grain to be you please go to moscow, ask this barbarian about all the questions and why he needs it, and explain to him that without ukraine, we will be hungry there in africa, and your grain

just won't get there, i think you just need to turn it over a little, you know, all our things when we ask something from someone all the time well, we don't need to ask anyone for anything, even though africa is full, let her ask us to help her do it and demands from putin that he, uh, stop the war, these are the things we need to talk about, that's enough for us constantly run to all corners of the world and because asking for something against this background, mr. volodymyr, is a rather strange position, although it is logical if you consider the last 15 months of the great war of russia against ukraine, the position of the united nations and the un security council, antonio guterres says that the united nations does not have definitive evidence that who blew up the hydroelectric power plant, let's hear from guterres in the organization of the united nations, there is no access to independent

information about the circumstances that led to the destruction of the dam of the kakhovka hydroelectric power plant, but one thing is clear - this is another devastating consequence of the russian invasion of ukraine today the tragedy is yet another example of the terrible human cost of war the floodgates of suffering have been overflowing for over a year now attacks on civilians and critical civilian infrastructure must stop we must act to ensure accountability and respect for international humanitarian law above all else i call for a just peace accordingly to the charter of the united nations organization of international law and the resolution of the un general assembly, volodymyr ot guterish seems to say the right things about the russian aggression about the fact that this is a consequence of russian aggression about the fact that there should be a just peace in accordance with the charter of the united nations, but for some reason i

get the impression that he is like a notary who certifies what has already happened and there is no such thing -e plans or some conclusions and what to do with this , what is the way to reach a just peace or is this not another cross-section of the fact that the organization of the united nations in that form with those conclusions and the powers with which it is now, it simply does not fulfill its functions the function from which this organization was founded after the league of nations, this is true and here, as they say, there is nothing to add or subtract . because you are absolutely right, this is an organization that has ceased to fulfill its statutory obligations, of course, there is no reward here or

or some other official. ultimately, this organization is made up of countries and states that are its members, and if you look at the composition of the main body of this organization, the un security council , it is designed in such a way that it is simply it is unrealistic to reach some kind of common solution, considering the fact that there are countries that profess absolutely different values, i.e., authoritarianism and democracy . how can you imagine that these two systems can unite? well, it is unlikely that frankly speaking, with the end of the war, i think the history of this un should also end, because it has already exhausted itself , it does not see anything, it does not understand where the aggressor is, the detestation of aggression, it treats everyone

the same, it is neutral. well, who needs such neutrality? we do not need democracy. and neutrality when they trample the principles on which it was all built is also not necessary. this is needed by the remnants of the autocratic world, which, unfortunately , still exists if the victory of ukraine over russia will seriously weaken this authoritarian world, or even if russia will fall apart, and in general it will be dealt such a devastating blow, then we will have to think about another structure of this organization, which will be founded and unite those countries that have the same values, but at the same time, these countries must

they will they will already be obliged to have instruments of coercion if someone else in the world wants to violate these principles if you attack a neighboring country you will be punished if you throw a bomb at a civilian city you will be punished if your uh troops capture territory you will actually there should be such a reality, because today's un is irresponsible , it is only a place where such miracle- working diplomats as lipinza lie to the whole world, and the whole world listens and understands that this is a lie, there is no impression of this system it is not possible. well, it turns out, vladimir, that the league of nations of the model of 1939 was a much more effective organization than the un of the model of 2022-23. it was the 39th year when the soviet union attacked finland in the league

of nations excluded the soviet union from the league of nations and well already after the second world war, the world decided that the league of nations had exhausted itself, but at that time they took and took such a powerful step, if compared with the current one, that is why the tragedy of the un is that it did not learn and did not take the best experience of the league of nations and created such the body that makes it activity is absolutely ineffective if its security council cannot make any decision , including the decision to exclude any country from the organization and especially the members of the un security council, then it demonstrates its complete helplessness and uselessness, you know i really liked it

well, i call someone like that maybe as a joke. in kyiv, when the armored personnel carriers of the un added a few letters that were called in english, so-and-so jursles, that is, you don’t need those who provide any there is no point in them, they actually just devour e gasoline, but they also give their owners a good salary, but do not do what is expected of them. well, in the meantime , the british prime minister, who was in washington yesterday, said that he still does not know who blew up the kakhovka hydroelectric power station, but britain supports ukraine and has already sent aid, we will hear and see rishi sunak we are still finalizing the cause of the attack on the dam in ukraine, but i want people to know that we support ukrainians, we have provided resources to the

united nations and the red cross in advance anticipating similar incidents, these resources are now being moved to the regions to help the affected families, this is a terrible act from which hundreds of thousands of people suffer . well, mrs. ambassador of the united states of america to ukraine bridget bring v says that the disaster in kakhovka is proof of the need to help ukraine, let's hear from you, mrs. ambassador, i want to say a few words about the kakhovka dam and the explosion that happened there. i will start by saying that this is an example of the devastating consequences of the russian war, which puts millions of people at risk. it is a reminder for us and for everyone. support ukraine already today and i am proud that the us government together with partners and neo hygienic means and food also over the evacuation as quickly as possible several times also mentioned the red cross and other international organizations that could do much

more and what they usually do when there are such disasters and such terrible consequences according to you, this is such a weak position of the red cross and in this situation, what is it connected with? well, i would like to respond to these statements in a basic way... shift of accents , in fact you are, of course , we are grateful to them for helping and doing it sincerely. it was destroyed, there was a small earthquake from the explosion, and it was recorded by the seismic stations around, so who has doubts about it? is

it ukrainian energy with two tons of tnt, they cleaned up on the dam and planted this explosive and after this something happened . well, we should be a little. well, more or less er, well, as serious adults, it is strange that the people who should have responded to this in the first place not with humanitarian aid, but with increased pressure and sanctions on russia, they are talking about the humanitarian aspects of everything , i repeat this once again. this is very good, but it does not solve the problem, it is not sends a signal to putin that he will be punished for this. and this is actually where we started with this . it seems to me that the biggest problem concerns the red cross. well, let 's not deceive ourselves with all these red cross ideas, we have already seen the red cross

cross deer, we have already seen that they are also in mariupol , uh, let him be there somewhere in the penguins. i think there in the entente it will be somehow beautiful , we will have beautiful pictures somewhere there , i think we will save them if necessary and it will be cool because there where there is war there is blood there is where you need to help really they can't and why can't they because they won't let them in well then the question is in the problem and what are you for if your aggressor doesn't let you stand and spread your hands well then i well , i say, occupy yourself with penguins er will they allow er polar stations there or are these his there tactical what are there and all around mr. volodymyr let's take a short break and return to our studio in a few minutes forever macedonia ukraine on megogo will the much awaited coach cope with

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