[000:00:00;00] fight on our social networks, read also our news on the espresso tv website, we work for you 24 hours a day, 7 days a day , more up-to -date information is available on our website. today we are talking about this, the first evidence of what exactly happened to the kakhov dam appears, the data of scientists and the interception of telephone conversations speak of a subversion inside, we will analyze the argument and also listen to how

the world reacts to it for the fourth day since the destruction of the dam of the kakhova hpp and only now is evidence beginning to appear that sheds light on exactly how this tragedy happened at the dam, there was an explosion - this is the conclusion of the specialists of the norwegian universal center, they analyzed seismic data, the explosion in the area of ​​the dam was also recorded by seismic stations romania, and the newspaper sinyork timesis with reference to an unnamed representative of the white house , american spy satellites recorded an explosion at the dam of the kakhov hpp, i will remind you that the ukrainian side from 1 actually claims that the dam was blown up by the russian military, it was the russians from in the first days of the war, hydroelectric power stations are controlled by the video and photos, which are constantly analyzed by bbc correspondents and here is the comment join water is june 5. this is how everything looked like the dnieper kakhovskaya dam before the explosion and you can see how the river flows through the south of ukraine . let's look at another image. here you can see the consequences of the explosion in in some places the river widened by about 11 km, the banks of the river

moved all this due to the explosion of the hop dam, however, people are interested in the following: how it happened and when the explosion occurred. our team studied some information that is available in the open sources and here is what we will first pay attention to the time of these messages. we found in the telegram that they were sent from the vicinity of the dam and you can understand what happened here, it says 12 o'clock, this is because he is in london, but in fact they were sent at 2:20 according to ukrainian sometimes here you can see how everyone reports about the explosion, but these messages give us an idea of ​​when the explosion happened, that is, at about 2 o'clock ukrainian time, this is important because if you look at this video , you can see here that the dam has already been destroyed and the second time - 45 and see here another explosion

, this tells us that after the breach of the dam there was another explosion and it is important for understanding how the dam was destroyed the fact that after the main explosion there were other explosions where there are reasons to assume that explosives may have been planted in the dam we slowed down the video and did not see any rockets, so all this leads us to believe that there were explosives for the explosion at the kakhovsky hpp, the process was planned , the intelligence of the ukrainian special services of the sbu intercepted the conversation where two men tells what the dam was blown up by a russian sabotage group, experts say it is likely to stop the offensive if the armed forces of ukraine decided to cross the dnipro in that region about new evidence of russia's responsibility for blowing up the dam bbc correspondent pilates your e-e vienna received approximately 600 km from romania indicate that

it was a strong, very strong explosion with a magnitude of 1-2 . all they are doing is processing the data, trying to find out how much it is in tnt equivalent. this is painstaking work. the dam and it was a very, very strong explosion probably tons of explosives so in my opinion the explosions are the cause of the accident does this give us a reason to say who did it no but the dam and the hydroelectric power plant were blown up at that time it was the russians who controlled it and we know that the destruction of the dam it started right in the middle. and since april of last year, the ukrainians claimed that the russians mined the dam today . the security service of ukraine reported that we cannot confirm this, but they claim that they intercepted the conversation of two russian officers who were discussing the detonation of the dam by the russians a subversive group, one of these noted that

this was an operation designed to scare the ukrainians and not necessarily to completely destroy dumbo, but for the full picture it is worth noting that all this is actually happening on the front line in various areas along it, and that the ukrainians were interested in order to cross the dnieper, so if we look at the situation purely from a military point of view, russia may have had a certain benefit in preventing the ukrainians from crossing the river, so in the end, all these facts really strongly indicate that the dam was blown up responsible russia, meanwhile, the ukrainian military and political leadership assures that the undermining of the dam will not stop the offensive of the armed forces of ukraine, although officially no directions are reported, but analysts of the american institute for the study of war say that the counteroffensive began and continues immediately on several areas of the front, including the zaporizhia direction - experts predict

an offensive may last months, and the armed forces of ukraine are currently looking for weak points in the russian line of defense, well, in the direction of counteroffensive, they do not speak of the british an expert and this is the opinion of a specialist of the royal institute of international relations, is there chaos? very often you don't know where the main direction of the offensive should be directed , the correspondents report in which region it is happening, but the problem is that kyiv is still studying, researching, testing, finding out where the weak points of russia's defense are the general picture of the campaign that should be clarified, we can make some reasonable assumptions about what ukraine may actually strive to achieve, but as observers note its operational security tactics and the fact that it is kept in secrets was very successful, what elements were the key elements of the success of the autumn offensive of the ukrainians when they liberated

huge territories from the russian occupation , now they are very careful not to exaggerate expectations in this regard, not to assure that the russian army will collapse and they will advance and liberate all of ukraine, but when this company will expand a little, then it will become clear where the main efforts will be directed. of course, ukraine and its allies have watched with extreme concern how russia is building its line of defense while western partners delayed providing the weapons systems needed for a counteroffensive, ukraine said it was ready . own capabilities, so there is no need to doubt that ukrainians know best where they

can actually move forward and get the maximum possible gains. calls to stop putin, for example, the chairman of the defense committee of the british parliament and bios lwood in an interview with the bbc said that it is time for western countries to ask themselves difficult questions and seek answers to them. moscow , according to politicians, regularly tests and tests the measure first. i am glad that it got there the un security council has its limitations in what this international body can do , given that the responsibility for this attack on the dam and the war in ukraine in general falls on the shoulders of one of its permanent members the members of which are supported by another permanent member in the form of china, but this kakhovka dam, which on the mighty dnipro river, which flows from north to south and in some places is three kilometers wide, worked as a buffer between

ukrainian forces on the northwestern bank and russian forces on the southeastern and by blowing it up, i think putin demonstrated that he has little faith in his own army, its ability to hold on and protect this area from the expected counteroffensive from ukraine, this is a massive man-made humanitarian tragedy, the entire city now has to be evacuated and of course it's the loss of drinking water in crimea but putin doesn't really care about it and now the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is becoming the biggest concern in the absence of cooling water provided by the reservoir thanks to the dam yes there is a cooling pond but this all really shows how far putin thinks he can evade from responsibility, even from such a ro so we have to admit that what putin is doing he once again tests the patience of the west, he realizes i think he now has an understanding thanks to

the colossal art of the ukrainian armed forces with all the weapons provided by the west, that he is now forced to defend himself, that he will not be able to hold out and that they can be demolished from the captured territories, that is why he decided to go for non-permeable things, as we saw in syria, where he used chemical and biological weapons , he is now using critical infrastructure, transforming its weapons , creating humanitarian disasters of such a scale that the west is ready to suffer the consequences for the west, including western europe, if we remember the impact of chernobyl, they are huge and we will just watch how they are unfolding and to simply condemn the actions of russia but do nothing is absolutely really, really, very difficult question, but someone has to ask them now, otherwise putin will continue to test the determination of

the west and then he will win. with the help of artificial intelligence, they automatically delete the so-called video with the content of a sensitive nature, which includes the majority of footage of the russian-ukrainian war , in social networks they declare what a video is allowed if it is in the public interest, but the investigation by the bbc disinformation department indicates the opposite, we warn you this material contains footage of violence, we did not believe that it could be in the 21st century, we saw the bodies of civilians, then shot and burned cars, igor, the former host of the travel show , used to travel to the luxurious resorts of europe, today he drives broke ukrainian cities, documenting the facts of russians killing civilians here on the zhytomyr highway near kyiv, russian soldiers shot and then burned people who tried to get out of the occupation, posted these video games on facebook and the temple, but they were instantly deleted from there. the russians said that all fakes are nothing, they do not

touch civilians, they fight only with the ukrainian army, and it was very important not only to remove these confirmations, but also to spread them quickly but bany arrived immediately. social networks have long been criticized for easy access to sensitive content, so now they quickly get rid of such videos with the help of artificial intelligence, but by deleting them they permanently destroy the evidence of war crimes, we have already had situations when information and social networks such as facebook or others were used as evidence in court and therefore we must take care of their preservation , technology companies must recognize that the wheels of justice turn, albeit slowly, but inevitably, and this information can become critically important, the owners of social networks themselves claim that video from war zones can remain online if it is in the interests of society, but in practice we see

the opposite, we arranged a small check uploaded several videos taken by igor to the social network, or to see what would happen to them, and within a minute instagram blocked three out of four of these youtube videos for the same footage, initially set restrictions, but in 10 minutes also deleted them, all of our appeals to restore the video were rejected, and this is the picture around the world, hundreds of thousands of videos from the conflicts in ukraine, syria, yemen, and sudan have been permanently deleted from social networks , investigators say you can't lose any such video, it's almost like putting together pieces of a puzzle. for example, some angles can help us understand where the rocket came from and what weapons were used at that moment. as you can see, we have blurred some videos for you, but they allow my colleagues to find out how a person was injured or what caused his death. human rights defenders suggest

warning people that the videos are of a sensitive nature, but at the same time, leave it on the internet or delete it, but create a special archive for personnel from war zones , this will allow to protect users and preserve important potential evidence of crimes and social networks for this initiative so far who are reluctant to respond we have been working with my company for many years on this topic in meetings they say the right things they say they are committed to accountability but in reality they don't want to take any real steps to solve this huge problem we asked the company youtube twitter there goal what do they think about this idea , their representatives refused the interview and answered that they continue to explore additional ways of supporting the processes of international accountability, but their platforms, i quote, are not

an archive. but while large companies take care of the mood of its vulnerable users people who experience the horrors of war every day do everything not to lose the history of their country look for more history on our website bbc.ua on our pages in social networks and christmas tree at 21:00 take care, congratulations friends, we continue the information broadcast on the espresso tv channel with you, vitaliy portakov, and mykola veres, we will see each other next week, and now we will see those who will tell us what is happening now at the front, what is happening on

the diplomatic front, what is happening in the political life of ukraine and the world , we are the first interlocutors on this broadcast, roman svitan, a military expert, a colonel of the reserve of the armed forces of ukraine, a military pilot, an instructor. the offensive of the ukrainian armed forces well, it really began, it began a month ago, uh, five stages , which, according to the unfolding of preparations for the offensive, are also recognized as an offensive as such, that is, somewhere from the first decade may, for the first decade of june, the preparation of the last week is already the implementation of the so-called reconnaissance operations, we will only do so, no longer with forces at the battalion level of tactical groups, e-e, it is carried out along the entire front line

, they start orekhova and up to kupinskaya ot minus the russians the kherson direction gave a-a the kakhovka hydroelectric station. well, there are about 700 km of the front that are now available and can be worked on until the water dries up and the dnieper channel dries up in the area of ​​the same kherson or kakhovka. these 700 km will be processed by the troops, it is quite serious operations are being carried out in orekhov here we are now hearing in the area of ​​orekhov, in the area of ​​volipol, velikoe novoselka, ugledar, avdeevka, bakhmut, eh, up to svatov, that is, kupyansk is also moving, eh such operations are carried out everywhere, somewhere they are with good, with good dynamics

, let's say in the area of ​​avdeevka, good dynamics in the area of ​​bakhmut, we see, we hear constantly and the zaporozhye front, which is closer to the dnipro , then the orehova region , there is also a certain dynamic in the advance. that is, forming operations are carried out in the course of about one and a half two weeks, now a week has passed and another week has passed. i think. well, for half a week , such operations will be carried out in dolsy or on the non-front. then all the information will be collected , it will go into the flow, the permanent headquarters will be collected information the decision has been made to already strike

eh in eh on breakthrough actions, as i call them in the direction of eh , and the breakthroughs are not the first and the second, the third. maybe the third line of defense, if it works out, then the third, and then the exit to the operational space , here are the strategic reserves to at this time and here it is and there is here it is possible to say that the culmination of the beginnings will come only the beginning of the beginning of the culmination then this is the culmination for which we are now all ready and then the development of the situation will go according to the plan which will be approved or already approved but chosen at least by a fool according to him zamasla glaza oil the commander-in-chief and here it is somewhere in a week i think at the end of next week we will see real such actions and movements for kilometers not for meters how is it now not for hundreds метор как сейчас проверя линия обороны anna километры, that is, to the second линиа офороны как минимм. that is, you confirm these words

, uh, the smell of many western experts , that we are witnesses of these formative operations even what took place in belgorod region is a formative operation, and yes, it is correctly called yes, it is a formative operation that is preparing the next battlefield and preparing a serious use of a meeting, the use of serious means for a breakthrough in the enemy's defenses. tell me, in principle, you yourself understand the meaning of the russian actions at the kakhovsky hpp, what did the russians want to achieve when they destroyed the station, well, from a military point of view, it was a military necessity back and there it is and so and so eh and so and so the fact is that the russians behind us in the kherson direction did not have enough troop density and strength of means to hold back a-a

fortification of the dnieper by our vassals eh if they did not undermine we fortified the dnieper dam in the kherson area, several of our units were already on the islands and we were ready to fortify the dnieper, and then the exit to armyansk is near there 7 or something km two tank crossings and it was almost impossible for the russians to hold krym it was enough at this stage to uh to on it on the front, they did not hold back our troops, so they made a decision, from a military point of view, the most interesting , competent decision, that is, at least for a month, and our actions, our movement from the kherson direction , will come up with something in a month or at least they will pull up the third line of defense, which they did not immediately open up, or they made a decision to go to crimea, and this is an opportunity to cover the retreat of the russian troops

, they could also provide kakhovsky a hydroelectric power station is this waste he on the steppes on the azov steppes would be very problematic for the russians, god, we destroyed a lot of them, and on their er shoulders we could enter the crimea, and it would be practically impossible to cut it off, because in the near future it will be in the next month it will be it is understandable if they start to leave kherson from the kherson region, eh, excuse me, to krym, then this is definitely one of the reasons , and covering the waste , eh , to be able to reduce losses on the waste. always accompanies the offensive. in the current conditions, it changes its very nature. the speed affects the speed of movement, that is, the depth

of the development of the front, that is, with the help of aviation, we could immediately break through the enemy's defense. the combat radius of the aircraft is up to 500 km. it is clear that there is 30-40 km, the depth of the front would be opened up by aviation . until 15-20 where can i work? artillery in order to create a fire shaft and we will now have to gnaw through the line of defense, that is, first the first line will be squeezed out or destroyed, then it will gnaw the second line of defense, then it will reach the third , they will strengthen the flanks, that is, the movement itself, but it will be much slower eh, several times i would he said slow movements would be what would happen if the aviation and the aviation that we think would work, that is not the one that we have

, we have the aviation that simply cannot work , er, it will destroy the enemy’s anti-aircraft and deter of the enemy. and here is the f16, which could extinguish the air defense system, knock out the destroyer of the russians, and then they could work on the ground almost there, detonated a few 50 km in front of the moving eh units, strategic rubber bombs in the enemy's defense line , we can say that the russians will try to use this the situation that arose as a result of their actions at the kakhov hydroelectric power station in order to build some additional lines of defense , how to overcome this line of defense. the availability of the strength of the means now and the density of the troops that are in the zaporozhian direction, in any other direction, it has already dug itself out, let's say that in order to build other lines of defense, we need to increase the number of troops, they

simply do not exist because it is unlikely что оны будут делать and please tell me, in principle, how you imagine the situation that could arise as a result of the withdrawal of ukrainian troops to the administrative border from crimea. after this interval ends, he says that russian troops can withdraw from the kherson region but will they be able to protect crimea in such a situation, ladies can try to protect, especially, the mining of the crimean titan suggests that they will still ask even with the help of detonation of the acid receivers of the crimean titan chlorine, there are certain reagents, he was asked to cover the entrance to krym, but uh, understanding that such a task is not promising, they will immediately be located somewhere in the area of ​​mountainous krym, that is, there is still an attempt to detain us, uh, at least well

we ourselves will not go to the mountainous crimea, that is, the north and the center of the crimea, to simferopol, in principle , it is possible in the configuration that we have now without western aviation. and here the russians can keep well, try to keep at least the mountainous krym eh for some purposes to solve political diplomatic some such eh raising of such issues eh that is, in order not to die immediately at least don't leave there right away to resolve the issues of the destruction of the crimean bridge. that is, if we just get such an opportunity to destroy the crimean bridge , then this process can be de-occupation of crimea much faster, because there is no sense then after the destruction the crimean bridge is of military significance to the russians

. there is no staying there , they will leave. what are some other questions? rostov and take out even more and from crimea you take out parts to save the equipment, personnel take out from crimea precisely to rostov and so on, and in addition to what is normal , you need to preserve the land corridor, and they will have to keep the land corridor at least 30 kilometers from the sea, and it is clear to keep it under the control under the operational control of our artillery, but nevertheless, this will be a land corridor of the military unit, in principle, they can slip through it, uh, they will be held well, what decision will not be made, it will depend after all, the destruction of the crimean bridge. as soon as the opportunity arises, we need to do it right away. it will be much easier . russian troops will simply not go to crimea then, and of course they will not hold it,

especially in the same mountainous part. there is no sense then, and they are losing troops. and as for the fortifications in the donbass, how far can it be considered that how can it be possible to break through the donbas head on? years well in 8 years, exactly in the 14th year, the height of the floor is very competently correct, and the agglomeration of donetsk, kievskaya, esinovatskaya , it defends itself, so to speak, that’s all, imagine yourself there , well, 20, this is the whole agglomeration, that is, it is possible to liberate it at approximately the same speed. how did the same handsome man take bakhmut? therefore , no one will do this vlog for sure. there is no sense of the optimal option, it goes to luhansk there is a bypass of this

agglomeration, and there is an elevation of 300-350 m old mountains eh, that is, up, these are up, a smart man will not go up, a smart man will go around, so it’s not easy, eh, this parable is more true. the truth is, it goes around, it goes around along the northern donets to luhansk, further depending on the decision-making, or immediately on the novoazovskogo, there are already eastern ones mariupol is either right in the middle of the northern donets on the don a-a and along the don on rostov, that is, cut off already with part of the russian territory, that is, the time comes to the russian territory, either by pallet to rostov, or by grace to taganrog depending on the task thank you, mr. roman, roman svitan, a military expert, a colonel of the reserve of the armed forces of ukraine, they are on the sidelines in this program, we will now talk about what is happening after the explosion of the kakhov power plant, we will talk with the general director of ukrhydroenergo, igor sorota, greetings, mr. games

i congratulate you. well, let's start with the fate of the kakhovka hydroelectric power station. what can happen to it? there may still be something wrong with it. unfortunately, this is the second thing that you said . the station is already not subject to restoration. obviously, because the station was blown up from the inside from the lower marks of the pattern, and that is why the entire unit is already in the hall, all the units have been torn off, the station is displaced with its axis. therefore, we will simply need to dismantle it over time, tell me what, how , and thus, after the dismantling of the kakhovskaya hpp , provide water supply all these cities that, in principle, over the years of its existence, uh, took water from there, and this infrastructure of their water supply is connected to the kakhov hpp, well , it is first of all kryvyi rih, of course, although it is not only nikopol, but kryvyi rih