[000:00:00;00] a little hydrolect of the station, what's wrong with it? there may still be something wrong with it, or it's just a funeral for the object, unfortunately, this is the second thing you said , the station is already not subject to restoration, it's already obvious because the station was blown up from the inside from the lower marks from the pattern room and so already all the way to the hall, all the units have been torn down, the station has been shifted from its axis, and therefore we will just need to dismantle it over time, tell me, what, how , and thus, after the dismantling of the kakhovskaya hpp , provide water supply to all these cities, which, in principle, during the years of its existence, e- were taken water is from there, and this infrastructure of their water supply is connected to the kakhov hpp, well, first of all, it is kryvyi rih, of course, although it is not only nikopol, so kryvyi rih

, nikopol, less cities around them. of course , as soon as this terrorist attack took place, we are already with the project institute er, we have done all the measures that will need to be done first of all after the deoccupation, we understand that today we cannot do anything there, as soon as the deoccupation takes place, we will be ready to build a bridge over the upper reservoir first of all i.e. from the right bank to this dam, which remains 14 spillway ridges, er, we are approximately already calculating the scope of work , detailed projects are being developed, scope of work , mechanisms, what materials, what is needed and how long it will take. we can already see that approximately we will need three months in order to build a bridge and stop the leakage and operation

of the kakhov reservoir, tell me in the situation with the ukrainian industry, will the metallurgy that was along the kakhov hpp line be able to work at the same level in the future? it is necessary to review the economic infrastructure of the district. i think that the main thing for us is that the deoccupation should take place as soon as possible, as when we close the reservoir. of course, we can fill it up to 60% after the flood , that is, in the spring, to date, we accumulate as much water as possible in the upper reservoirs, and then ensure the ecological clearance and which of the minimum water discharges is somewhere up to 1000 m³, then the channel of the dnieper , let's not forget that the flow of the dnieper will still remain if the kakhov

reservoir was 3.5 km wide before this accident in some places and 4, the river bed is from one kilometer to one and a half kilometers long, and we will try to dump the maximum amount of snow that will be possible along this river bed , let's say in the kakhov river to kherson and beyond. of course, we will work out some possibilities with a minimum to provide at least technical water because we are unlikely to be able to do this with drinking water, because we understand that this is a shoaling that will be 1.5 km from different sides , that there will be ecology, let's say, in a very bad condition and i don't think that this water can to be under that, but technical to some extent. we are in some proportion. well, not 100%, some 15% and 20 will be provided. well, of course, there are

other options to ensure how to transfer from the upper e-e reservoir in zaporizhzhia to try other ways are currently being worked out to deliver water to kryvyi rih to the people of nikopol, all the cities you just mentioned. well, fine . and if i tell you that now there is no possibility to de-occupy the territories, this may continue for some time, how will these cities and this industry exist in this regime which they do not have. well, of course we will experience losses in industry and in agriculture in the agrarian sector, we understand this because such a volume as let 's be honest, 70% of ukraine uses water from the dnipro and their reservoir and of course

that 18 million cubic meters of water that was in the kakhov reservoir and to date, well , there is no such possibility for 100%, of course, we will calculate it. to try to somehow provide some share of what it will be, we cannot say today, this is how they are working now, the points are being worked out so that not, well, at least as much as a maximum provision of drinking water, well , this is one task, and for industry, we will think about how to provide these upper cascades and well, tell me, what about the water for crimea, what will be the fate of the north crimean canal, mr. igor will be in touch with us again, because this is an important topic that we have to discuss with them now, of course, the situation with

water for crimea because many people do not really understand how crimea will exist in general after the russians blew up the kakhovka hydroelectric plant, many people do not understand how vladimir putin, who all the time raised the issue of the return of the north crimean canal in er, the entire negotiation er history from ukraine is on the agenda from these consultations, and the first thing the occupiers did when they occupied the kherson region was to restore the operation of the northern crimean canal and now they themselves destroyed it. this absolutely such a strange situation and well, how strange it is not strange, it is completely understandable because the people of vladimir putin and in general the entire russian political military leadership are interested in the last place and there is an absolutely obvious situation when there is no doubt that they should stop the offensive of the armed forces forces of ukraine in this direction, we talked about this in detail with mr.

roman svitanok, i won't repeat it here , but it's a simple tactic, so s- now we 'll stop them. annexed except he didn't even think that there would be water for crimea. and only a few years later, a clear understanding came that the peninsula without water from the north crimean canal is really moving towards a real ecological disaster, friends, and despite the fact that the leadership of the russian federation, the leadership of the the puppet of the autonomous republic of crimea , which became the leadership of the republic of crimea , began to say that we do not need this dnieper water, we can provide everything perfectly without it, it was obvious that in this situation uh, the problem doesn't just remain, it gets worse every year, and by and large, this is also one of the reasons why we then rushed to the war against uh, ukraine

, because in this situation , all the stupidity of annexation would have been clearly demonstrated, and it is clear that in the situation what is the situation with the crimean water? many questions arise regarding the future of life on the peninsula , i.e. resources. it may be enough for a military base. of course, the russians always have enough resources , but we have already seen how crimean agriculture slowly died er, nothing happened to him. and this was a huge problem , mr. games, so let's go to the topic of the north crimean canal, what is happening with the water supply of crimea in general, so that it can happen in the future, well, look at the eight o'clock mark of the upper, well,

the kakhovsky reservoir is already 11 m that is, we clearly understand that there is no fence to any city, nor to the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, nor even to the crimean canal, and of course until a bridge is built and until it is raised, let's say, to a certain at the water level, of course, no water will flow to the crimea. and i am more than convinced that even after building a bridge, the nearest prospect is this next year in the spring after the tent . well , if at all it will work. crimea and we will build a bridge and, of course, we will fill it after the flood, and even then after the flood, such an opportunity may not appear before the water

will definitely not flow through the crimean canal, because these are not the marks that needed for the crimean canal in general, but i wonder when the russians planned this whole story, they could already , so to speak, consult with the hydropower companies, albeit their own . and you know, it seems to me that they consulted well. last year, until october , our employees worked there for them. pressured them to write some statements well, that's all they wanted to do, they refused and in september, when our workers were still at the station, because in october they had already removed all the workers and there was only a military facility, so uh, then we already they gave signals that the military was bringing explosives there and lowering them into the lower part of the mash hall, but in the lower part of the so-called paterno, this is the lowest mark, which is almost 15 m under water. and then

they already said that they were not allowed, but people saw that explosives were being taken there and already in the autumn, we informed then, and already then the power structures knew that the e-e station was changing , look at what they said that there was a blur under the soap, well, that's all for non-professionals, the conversation e-e station is built on a slab e-e slab it is a concrete slab. it is attached from the right to the left bank. there is also a station and a spillway dam on that slab. that is, there is no erosion for this erosion to take place and for us to say that we saw some deformation . what else do we understand in which place it could have been laid ? this pattern there, it was cut into a gallery that runs from, let's say, the outflow drainage to the right bank , most likely they laid it in this place, so no one

would have seen such an open explosion, because it is at a depth of, say, 12-11-12 m under water and above, let's say, there are still three patterns, i covered them up. that is, the height there, which was understandable , was about 20 m, and therefore, of course , no one saw the explosion that was in the lower markings, but to put it more professionally, you see that if they blow up some house, then for sure architects give, let's say, those places where you can blow up a house that would fold and not fall to the side without collapsing the house , in the same way, i'm more convinced that the project is bogus, and let's say the hydropower engineers who advised the military where it is better to lay and what is the best way to blow up, let's say, this station? i don't agree with the fact that it's an accident. no, it's not an accident, because if we understand, if

it's been mined since last year, then it's where it 's understood, why is it being done, if we wanted to inflict an energy crisis on the enemy, let's say, they could blow up the aggregates with light charges and for 5 years 4-5 years we would, say, restore energy if they wanted to flood for military purposes and not give our military the opportunity to make a counteroffensive so it was simply necessary there was not one but two cranes that rises behind the works and at 24, not 14, they raised the shutters, loaded them on cars and took them away, and the water flooded even faster, and then they would not have any questions, that is, they did not blow up, did not commit a terrorist act. i think that it is cynical and demonstrative that they blew up the station with some other intentions, to show the world that we can do it, this is our opinion

. and tell me what will happen to the safety of the zaporizhzhia npp , at the moment they were talking about the cooling pond , which is higher in level than the kakhovskaya hpp. threatens but can there be any changes in the water supply, an extraordinary change can take place today there are their cooling ponds that can provide this cooling for a certain period of time especially since the station well, let's say it is in the cold reserve , it is not working today there is one agrarian which one will most likely be taken out , but there are also gates there, and there is also a station . as far as we know, along the perimeter around the perimeter, it is administered there so that there is no counterattack, we do not know. this can be raised traffic jams and release this water from those exhibitions . what's more, we don't see any problem. well, let's say for two months. yes, but let's forget what's going on. summer will

evaporate, and those ponds are at higher levels than the kakhov reservoir, and we understand what can happen. that the water can be activated when there are no sub -thresholds from the bottom of the kakhovsky reservoir. there is no support for the water. some part of the groundwater can escape, and therefore, most likely, we see statements that it will have to be removed completely . cold risk. all reserves are aggregates. thank you. mr. igor igor, the orphan, the general director of ukrhydroenergo, we were in touch and now we will return to our conversation literally in a couple of minutes, the final of the champions league on megogo man city is the most powerful team in europe, but in istanbul intersi is playing as if it were the last time in his life , watch the super final of season 10 june at 10:00 p.m. exclusively on megogo i have discounts on pantestin

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, what kind of meeting is this? of those countries that are actively promoting the possibility of providing not only security guarantees of ukraine in the near future, but also the actual path of the decision regarding how ukraine's path to membership will be implemented and for this decision to be adopted at the vilnius summit of nato between the three letters, the conversation that will take place in the sterilize its strike-out dates to crystallize as some separate element of the decision that can be adopted at the e-e summit in vilnius , although i do not think that in this triangle it is possible to really decide the issue of providing security guarantees to ukraine, i do not see the possibility of providing security guarantees except for

ukraine becoming a member of the alliance, well at least the maximum that can be after the end of the war is security guarantees like those were given in finland and are now acting in relation to sweden of individual member countries of the alliance, such as from great britain for sweden, well, for this we need a position, first of all , the position of the united states. indeed, at the moment, unfortunately, the united states takes a position that a-a prioritizes exclusively the provision of military aid to ukraine, which is undoubtedly critically important for us, for ukrainians and for our security forces, but it definitely does not cover all those security needs that are critical for us, and we see that the united states and at this press conference held yesterday

by the president of the united states together with the prime minister of great britain, we heard assurances that aid to ukraine will go to again, as much as is needed, which is primarily focused on the given opportunities for our armed forces of ukraine , tools for our armed forces of ukraine , and on a long-term basis. i think that this approach should not reassure us, and we have everyone should work to ensure that it is not only the provision of our military needs that is on the agenda, as well as the understanding of how critical it is to provide long-term security guarantees through ukraine's membership in the alliance, so what can be done to at the vilnius summit, there were at least some positive signals that allowed

us to discuss that we are moving in the right direction , and not declarations that are usually repeated from year to year at every summit, unfortunately , the war also changed a lot in this sense you know, it seems to me that the next brutal war crime of the russian federation, which it committed a-a through the undermining of the kakhovka hydroelectric power plant , it can work as a m-m in favor of the fact that such elements of these e-e of this advancement on the way to the integration of ukraine into nato the vinnytsia summit may even further frighten some individual member states of the alliance, which are already fearful of the russian federation, and may , on the contrary, restrain this process, because i think it is now necessary to prioritize a conversation with

by each individual capital for and at different levels from the leadership of the states to the parliament-parliamentarians to public organizations of analytical institutions in order to try to break the trend that still remains in such a preserved state so far we do not see the prospects of real decisions that will lead us to membership already uh. which would have been clearly defined at the rivne summit, you understand right away there is a problem in that you can talk with many capitals, but when there is a clear position of washington that there is not even any road maps and cannot be. it is very difficult to change the opinion of other countries that are wavering because if they saw that there is a political will of the united states, they could behave differently . i absolutely agree with you. i believe that if there was a clear decision of the united states of america regarding the need to

well, there is a consensus regarding the future membership of a clear there clear road map to advance to the membership of ukraine in the alliance. then this consensus would be much easier to gather and it is the united states that could work on in order to ensure such a consensus through its already bilateral interaction with various capitals, but for now this means a greater challenge for us from the point of view of such medium duration and long-term goals and hmm, it is obvious that the priority remains the work of the united states, but we should not throw off the scales all other states , and that is why it is good that germany and france and poland are conducting additional consultations, but you are really right that without a key decision

by the united states, any consensus on the point the view of ukraine's promotion to membership already in vilnius is unlikely to be achieved. and tell me, mrs. ivan well, after all, here are all these peace-making ideas that we have been hearing lately , which are personalized in the faces of the leaders of the countries of the global rooster, now the leaders are talking about a new peace-making initiative of african countries, led by the president of south africa, who is a curmudgeon and a mofo, what is the real meaning of the initiatives of the author of which, in principle , they do not even talk about the aggressive nature of russia? and you know how i think that in each individual in the case of er, well, it is a little possible er, an excellent line of argumentation, how they came to er , to their initiatives and to their voicing at the international level, but in some of them, for sure , you can definitely trace the push and shove from the russian federation itself er

in different ways. well, let's say diplomatic blackmail, trade blackmail, various other ways that lead to the fact that in this way these states are trying to justify themselves and their so -called neutrality or openly supporting the position of the russian federation in this way presenting supposedly well or maybe these and sincerely er-e some peacekeeping initiatives do not give themselves an account of the fact that in fact it is absolutely impossible to achieve real results within the framework of such initiatives of theirs, they are engaged in self-deception if they count on the fact that in this way they will be able to well just get more from the russian federation, tell us if we talk about the reaction of international organizations

to what happened with the kakhov hpp, why was such caution shown literally from the first hours after found out about this catastrophe and the organization of the united nations by other organizations, it is logical or caution, in my opinion it is completely illogical caution excuse me caution i can no longer find the words, the organization of the united nations shows its complete inability and complete irrelevance, more and more to the point at all of the international world legal order and to the possibility of any real influence on certain processes in the world, and this caution, rather, seems to me to be dictated precisely by inability if we look for

diplomatic expressions of what it's called er well, this is organizational silence and caution, as you say, but i was most concerned about the rest, not so much because i did not expect some crazy reaction from the absolutely impotent un. and i did not even expect another action from the red cross, which still, there is no way to really er hmm provide real work in the most difficult in the most difficult areas er of this war even when it concerns purely humanitarian needs, which today are lower than the level of the kakhova broken kakhova dam and me it is frightening and alarming how the world media, in particular in the united states of america, very carefully try to equate and question who really blew up this dam, and even now we

see that intelligence data from american satellites have been made public and that talk about the fact that before the destruction of the dam there was an explosion, we know that in several countries, for example, romania and norway, it was precisely in this city that explosions were recorded by seismologists at the time when this explosion occurred, what else once confirms that it was carried out and the detonation of explosives but at the same time, all the time the international media leave the question open to a certain extent and how could this happen and how could it happen it seems to me that such an approach indicates that in fact the world did not fully outline these red lines that cannot be crossed by the russian federation if they have determined for themselves that

nuclear er nuclear weapons are inadmissible for use and as we have heard from several er highly respected high representatives what did the united states say? we made it clear to the russian federation that we will not accept the use of nuclear weapons against ukraine , and our response there will be absolutely harsh. the world is not ready to react in the same way as it should, supposedly, would you be ready to react if it were a tactical nuclear weapon, and as for me, this is hmmm, well, it's such a serious test, the next one with which at the moment how the world can't handle me and here we