[000:00:00;00] it is easier to survive in a city that was regularly shelled by the russians dmytro cooperated with yana's uncle, the girl was constantly in contact with dmytro, she was worried, but he always reassured him that everything was fine, in fact, dmytro took a lot of risks because he did not hide in basements, he constantly moved around the city because he helped others, even if it was the roof neighbors on the glass, he was immediately there , they immediately helped him, he went to grandmothers under fire, bought products, brought them all over the city, he walked at his own risk. how did dmytro disappear, one woman wrote to me after my post

in the group , she wrote to me well, how is dima, if there is any information. on the 23rd of the year, the situation in the city became extremely tense, but this did not stop dmytro, he went to check the house of his parents, who had already left, and to visit their neighbors who remained, even got a cake somewhere to at least somehow lift the spirits of the old people. 19 january this is a holiday christening, he went and bought a cake. i don’t know where he found it, to be honest, because there was very little food in the city , and he reached his destination. he checked the accommodation , a neighbor showed him and went back to my child . well, that’s how yana and

dmytro’s ex-wife sofia didn’t get there right away. all the social networks of the group rushed to look for him, they wrote the institution to the police , uh, they wrote a statement to the sbu, well, that’s what she wanted on the internet . was in bakhmut and agreed to follow exactly the route that dmytro was following on the day of his disappearance, but after that there were no flights anywhere and there were no victims, that day it is clear how many civilians disappeared in bakhmut , what could be their fate and where to turn if zv was cut off contact with a relative who refused to leave the hot spot , our colleagues from the breakfast with 1+1 program have submitted a request to the head of the donetsk regional military administration, pavlo kyrylenko, we are currently

waiting for a response from a project volunteer to find theirs anastasia kurova says that in our search there are approximately 350 missing people in donetsk region, many of them are from bakhmut, the bakhmut direction is the largest after mariupol, and there are approximately 56 people in the search, this is a lot, it is very difficult to find these people in these territories now, because there is almost no access to these territories but despite this , people remain the most important resource for finding other people on the day of disappearance dmytro had with him documents, in particular, about the postponement of the operation, because he is dressed in a light

sweater and a black jacket among his special a sign of many layers all over the body sia and raditelam and zeneego and i dreamed he was coming home i don’t admit it i really want these dreams to be omens and dima to return home as soon as possible please если кто ли воего вид возможно он без памяти please tell me this story is about a family that already ran away from the war in the 14th, they left everything and started life again in the 22nd, the war overtook them for help in finding three relatives of their mother, grandmother and aunt

, maria turned to us, i can't imagine how i can continue to live without them the last time maria spoke with her mother oksana derbinyan, aunt olena kotareva and grandmother lyudmila kotelva was in the fall of 22, the girl was in germany, where she left at the beginning of the full-scale russian invasion. and there are relatives who arrived in the fire-ravaged donetsk region, where they are now unknown. maria's family from donetsk, it is difficult for the girl to remember life before the war and the events of the 14th year , when he starts talking , tears come to his eyes, so i don't have many words, my family used to live in donetsk, now we never left my house with my husband in donetsk

was also destroyed in the 14th year , and we had a house near the airport, and we left friends with nothing, fleeing from the war in the 14th year , they all went their separate ways. maria's mother and aunt moved to the village of pavlivka, which is 60 km from donetsk. she lived there and maria's grandmother had a big house, they seemed to be completely safe there, everything changed, a new life began, with

pavlovka , where maria always came, she has the warmest memories. and there on february 24, 22nd maria's mother, aunt, and grandmother were at home even then. it was dangerous in pavlivka. but somehow, the grandmother did not give her consent to leave until the last. this is her native home and native land. well, it was very difficult, so she stayed and hoped it would pass. maria was very worried about her relatives and called from germany every day i understood that it could develop at any time , but we hoped for the worst, but

it only got worse, soon pavlivka found herself on the front line, and maria's relatives were trapped, and this is the front line, don't go in, don't leave, people have left they went out, i know, but not all of them reached the final destination, many disappeared, grandmother maria hardly walks, so they didn't even have the opportunity to leave the village on foot, and then the connection with them was cut off for a whole month, only through bars, then they promised never to lose

each other again and they did not keep their promises. on october 30, 22nd, maria's mother, aunt and grandmother stopped contacting her for the second time . she has not been in contact and has still stopped . she called constantly every day and during the day i hoped that communication would appear again in order to find maria's relatives . turned to the police the red cross monitored social networks and tried to reach out to the people of pavlivka. this information was not at all comforting that

corpses were taken out of my house, however, maria is convinced that other people died in their house, the facts and the neighbors who lived across the street point to this. they asked the military and education personnel, and they answered that they were taken to my family, but in what direction and where it is unknown, so far we have already managed to find people with your help, so we ask you to take a closer look at the photo on the screen if you know anything about oksana derbilyan, elena kotareva and

lyudmila kotyryova, please let me know. i am begging you to look again at the photo of dmitry suhodolsky, the hero of our first story. we are ready to help everyone, so if you know anything about people in search, write to our email or call 102 or 4:48 p.m. new stories by search see what's on friday at 10:45

p.m. search and don't give up i congratulate you and we interrupt our broadcast again with unpleasant news from odesa, there are already three dead and 26 injured, among whom three are children. the state emergency service clarified the information about the victims of the russian drone attack on odesa . were liquidated in nearby houses , windows were blown out, according to preliminary data, one person died, she was near the house, and two more died, they were near the house . well, there are also victims in odesa oblast, to top it all off there are also 20 for two dozen private houses that have not been destroyed. today, the aerial alarm began to spread across ukraine even

before midnight , and social media users reported explosions in such areas as kherson region, zaporizhzhia, dnipropetrovsk region, and kharkiv region . shooting down a missile, what does the air alert map look like now you can see it on your screens well, we call you again and again we call you as soon as you hear the air alert signal immediately go to the shelters and do not shoot the work of our air defense, for now i have everything. see you soon, friends. we welcome you. the nationwide telethon is on the air . channel 1+1 is our slot and we now have a conversational studio. we still decided to devote this week's topic to these one and a half hours of our conversation and to talk about the kakhovskaya hpp disaster scenario. we decided

to talk about the worst and most neutral scenario of this disaster. at any moment it can turn into that's the worst er what our guests our experts will say let's listen to the only thing i'm really asking you er to listen to this conversation because we literally just in the frag talked about different er opinions and there are a lot of different versions of this disaster in the public domain right now. well, i would like you to listen to competent people who have expertise in this matter, so please sit down and together with us let's understand this issue. well , i formulated this topic for myself after all still man-made disasters, lessons, consequences and opportunities, what opportunities do we have, first of all, it is necessary for people

who do such things to understand that they will not pass without a trace for them with impunity and there will be some personal history. i hope we will talk about this now. executive director of the ilko kuchera democratic initiative foundation, we are glad to see you like this. greetings, valentin glykh, a political scientist, we congratulate you. my greetings, valery kondratyuk, head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine, 2020-21 chief, let's say 15-16 years. head of the counterintelligence department of the sbu. 14-15 years, we congratulate you then. glory to ukraine . glory to the heroes. well, let's start with a scenario. yes, let's make it possible . that's how we'll start with the worst scenario , the worst that can happen as a result of undermining the kakhovka dams and as a result of what is currently happening in kherson oblast, mykolaiv oblast, if you allow us, colleagues, i would start with the worst scenario today, not with kakhovskaya and

the dams not with those events that took place. and you know what with the fact that today the russian war doctrine, and the russian doctrine, today it provides precisely for the creation of provoking such large-scale man-made disasters with the maximum aim of harming people's lives and destroying the economy, and i believe that if putin were counting on a real war with ukraine, all these, by the way, took place already at the beginning of hostilities, that is, 24 february of last year, but the fact that their plans provided for a quick takeover, bringing to power the pro-russian regime of yanukovych and all his henchmen is exactly what is not allowed and did not anticipate the launch of this program, but according to the plans of the russian military doctrine, which is a component of provoking such and such catastrophes - it should not have been the kakhovka dam, but you should probably have been the kyiv dam, and then there would have been these

all things could then demolish the dnieper dams and then it would not be there today there is an unlimited number of populated areas flooded there and this and it would be there approximately 20 to a million people should have their hair cut closely approached what the russian general buzhinsky said from literally look in the direction of the kyiv dam, that is, it would really be the worst scenario and without it i would start that today it is a danger, it persists and in fact that putin is forced to abandon the use of nuclear weapons today and this is not only a warning, there are serious warnings from our strategic partners, and everything, including the tough conditions that he put forward in china today, and he officially warned that he does not support in any way and losing a serious ally in putin's last ally also seems like a possibility today, and it seems to me that what is this scenario, what is happening, in essence, the replacement of nuclear strikes, that is, mini-nuclear strikes

with the provocation of such man-made disasters , we correctly understand that this is the best option invented by the russians to now surrender to man-made disasters because there are no restrictions on them from china or the united states of america it was only about nuclear strikes. and this is exactly how i believe that putin has found the option that can be. that is, you do not go beyond the scope of using nuclear weapons, but achieve almost the same goal, that is, the maximum harm not only to the population but the economy of the state and the maximum of what is happening today, just imagine even to recall the 86th year of chernobyl, that is, the tv show e 5 million hectares of ukrainian agricultural land were lost for agriculture, the consequences of this catastrophe will still be ahead and it is not only life there people, but this is a whole region and it will also directly affect crimea, and i think that this will be a separate issue of our conversation, as well as the consequences will also have for

crimea, can we say that the russians succeeded precisely to such activity after they realized that they won't be able to cope with military means in the near future, or can you say that they are just stupid in this way. i apologize for saying that they are saving weapons. in order to prevent the success of our counteroffensive, but i would say it is more emotional . putin's anger today, that is, he will lose and after that he just wants to leave the scorched earth, that is exactly the scenario that should be considered today and why should the world public be put first of all, quite seriously, responsible, because if it doesn't stop him today, don't put those red proportions, let's say, through which he should never jump, without this, it won't be the last disaster we'll see, well, valentina, see you then please tell me how you see this

negative, if so natalya started the conversation , a realistic scenario and its maximum expectations, what does putin expect on the domestic and foreign markets in ukraine like this absolutely terrorist large-scale steps. i think the main reason is to prove that his nuclear blackmail is not a pain. well, actually , here i am. you know who in childhood. someone pulls out a knife there and says, don't move. i'm stupid. i'll kill you . that is, we understood that he was just scared . that's why he does this and he, that is, he wants to demonstrate that he is ready to resort to the most radical tools in order to achieve his goals, but this is still a bluff and we must internalize it and then also must realize that well, there is simply not the one the level of education, you know, he remained at some development of scientific knowledge. i don't know the last century. he doesn't know. well , the more effort and energy invested in a project, the more difficult

it is to abandon it. that is, the more it harms us, well, the less motives we have is to stop and stop this, that is, you just have to understand the more we receive help from our er partners let's put it this way for allies , it was louder than er the more they invest in this project well, i'm not just yes and yes, that is, as zelensky says, this is not an act of charity, it is an investment in their own security, that is, when they do this, they also try to achieve certain strategic goals, not only operational, not only tactical strategic goals, but the strategic goal is clear, that is, whether the current world order will be preserved or not will the rules by which the modern world operates be preserved? will they be revised and some other models of behavior will be proposed? we understand that other models of behavior are before a full-scale invasion.

a lot of world scientists wrote that this is the path to a global catastrophe, that is, because everything is collapsing in the principle of interaction between the subjects of international law, that's why for me it's a bluff or it's not a lion, it's a lie . look at buch after buch, they went on to mariupol. mariupol was not bluff after mariupol, they went further well, that is, they go further every time, as if probing the reaction of our partners, every time they are exposed to the worst worse worse worse worse reaction, well, that is, let's do it this time, isn't it them? watch it, just let's do it font-respectively, let's see the beginning of a full-scale invasion, you and i were sitting in the same studio talking about closing the sky over ukraine, and then this discussion was not even raised . sat somewhere in the waiting room. and they told him there , we will not rush to help you, because in a few days a new political reality will arise for today. well, a really new

political reality has arisen, just this political one the reality is not in favor of the russian federation arose from this war, russia will crawl out after being defeated. that is, this is the point of the question, there is only a price. well, but we have already paid a very high price, that is, we must understand that the price is very high, but for us the price of defeat will be huge. that is, the price for us defeat leaves no chance of survival in principle, because this is really a genocidal war, they want to destroy the ukrainian state, or else they will destroy the ukrainian people. as such , ukrainian identity is guaranteed erase destroy as if it never happened. this is our bet in this game. and they have something different , they only have the survival of putin 's regime at stake. well, do you feel the difference ? yes, the average russian is not in danger, that is , russia will be defeated, she will not be defeated , the russians will still be to exist they have to be reformatted into some kind of state entities so they will have certain economic troubles dragons already have them so they may have

a lot of internal political difficulties but they have a cone the change of the political regime is simply that the current political regime is putin's, well, i use it all of their livestock, yes, in order to protect my own interests and protect them as a resource. this is fundamental. by the way, the difference is how much ukraine differs from russia today. we ukrainians today use the ukrainian state to preserve ourselves. the russian state uses its subjects in order to achieve a whole political letter of the russian language that is absolutely not identical and even contradicts the interests of the russian federation, and most importantly bets are made and everyone pays well. who made which bets? i don't agree with the fact that china is an ally of russia. china has its own goals and interests. it just plays its own game , but it is not interested in what russia won. we'll see what the reaction will be. it's already going there . macron also went, who has not gone there, but the rhetoric does not change. why? because china has its own problematic territories, because

china has its own territory. china has tibet. well, there is not . yes, and wan. roughly speaking, there are problems in china, there is a place. you understand that you are in the un security council a member of some elite club. that is, membership in this elite club gives you certain leverage. you are interested in the fact that this elite club ceases to exist or turns into an elitist one. to date, we are watching the fact that the un is turning into a conglomeration of losers and losers. it's just deeply concerned impotents, that is , it is clear that when china talks about the fact that onocentricity implies non-centricity, that the un will be the center for approving decisions that will be binding later on execution to date, we see that it is not that there are no places for the approval of decisions, that is, and even more so not places that are able to implement these decisions, that is, accordingly . it turns out that a bunch of serious players who looked at the un and their privileged place in this club as a tool risk finding themselves near this broken trough, and well, this

is happening all over the world globally, russia is really , well, it led the world to this point of polyfurcation , but the fun is in the fact that they said, we want to change our world, so in conclusion they really changed their place in the world, only they did not calculate what to change their place in the world. yes, because they had the status quo , they were really counted. this joke is well-known by biden, and the americans do not see the blinking of the rear, it seems that the americans, er, that russia is the second army of the world, they say that it is the second army in ukraine, and one of my friends said that it is the second army even in russia, there is a moment about this, beautiful said and tell me please petre, regarding the fact that er, the reaction is kind of sluggish from the side of our partners , and as valentin says, allies are not on the union for some reason, valentin i am already not

pulling on allies, so er, and there i am not talking about international organizations there such as the red cross or the united nations, tell me how you can explain why such a disaster does not have an appropriate response . there are several reasons. let me start it a little from afar , if you allow. here is an interview that was recently shown on television with general zuluzhny remember he said that i respect one general in russia, gerasimov, i keep a close eye on what he publishes. he hasn't spoken for a long time. it would be interesting to hear his opinion , that is, we had a military event at first glance, that is, they planted explosives, blew up a dump, it was done by military forces, but it was a non-military attack. hybrid, if it was a military attack, what is the purpose of the military attack that we blow up the dam? well, for example , the dnieper is being forced, and this moment when the troops are forced, they are blown up, they are washed away

, that is, everything is clear here. if i apologize this is one of those terrible things, of course, but from a technical technical point of view, but it was still a war crime. yes, but here it is clear that this is a military act, that is, there is a military logic, and what the russians did is a hybrid logic, they pursued several goals, and this is where i begin to answer your question, first of all, the goal is what mr. valery and mr. valentyn are talking about, it is to scare the allies, so to intimidate the west, to show that russia has already begun to rise, and even hate them, yes , i will say about us. this will be the third point. and the first point is to scare the allies russia started to climb the ladder of escalation , that is , to convince what valentin said. what is it? what is it? bluff, that is

, according to pluto, it was. on the 30th, when the drones struck near moscow, he said that the ukrainians were provoking us, and there he started talking about the dirty zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant . that is, it already sounded before kakhovskaya. so the second topic is the use of man-made disasters as a tool of military operations, that is, i think that russian specialists, and they really have. unfortunately, there are still good specialists who did not leave the country either after the 14th or after february 24, 22. they did not calculate that the water will decrease there . there is a question about e on the dry land , the drought in the kherson zaporizhia region, there is a question about the zaporizhia npp. that is, all this means forcing ukraine's allies to sit down at the negotiating table to stop this raising

of the ladder of escalation, so the third thing is what you say about the ukrainians and what was the purpose, and i think that in russia there are so -called centers of gravity about which in the center of gravity more precisely, about which the powerful zabrodsky wrote - this is putin's personal security nuclear weapons flora i think that the russians believe and they are not mistaken that our center of gravity is the people because we love our people and we protect them and that is why the hybridity of the attack is whether we are going to destroy people in order to try to provoke what mrs. er natalya told the public so that people start to get confused and start blaming the authorities that the government did not prepare, did not prevent this terrorist attack, did not save people, and that is, we know that it interferes, that the government is bad. it did not prepare to split society . this is another direction of the hybrid attack . kakhovskaya hpp must wash away zelensky. that is, this is also a continuation, this is all several goals. well, finally, what should everyone do with all this? you also have to act somewhere in a straight line

, and you can’t go to the studio to talk somewhere