[000:00:00;00] hmm, it is possible and a bad idea, taking into account all the changes, respectively. well, the provision of all those objects that took water from the dnipro and from the kakhovsky reservoir is now the main challenge. nazary and i will take a short break in our broadcast, we will now go have breakfast fri, coffee , talk about ours and you we leave in the company of our colleagues the presenters of the espresso tv channel stay with us glory to ukraine this is a verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko greetings to all russian president vladimir putin announced that the ukrainian army went on a counteroffensive according to the words of the kremlin grandfather about the use of the strategic reserves of the ukrainian army was reported to him by intelligence against this background, the russians continue to search kherson, where the evacuation of those ukrainians who suffered from the explosion

of the kakhova hydroelectric power plant is taking place, today and yesterday, the occupiers are hitting the city with artillery and hail on monday, as early as june 12, a meeting of scholz is planned in paris duda and macron, on which security guarantees of ukraine will be discussed, these security guarantees will then be discussed at the july nato summit, which is to be held in vilnius, meanwhile, russia continues to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine russia has already lost 213,000,770 people in ukraine in the last day only, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 1,010 orks with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,901 tanks, 7,600 armored combat vehicles, 3,7002 artillery systems, 599 rocket launcher systems of fire 359 means of air defense

314 airplanes 299 helicopters 6410 is a unit of automotive equipment 18 ships boats 1 171 cruise missiles 3247 drones 502 units of special equipment putin has everything going according to plan three versions of the development of the war ukraine is almost in nato well, the consequences of the tragedy from the explosion of the kakhova hydroelectric power plant, we will talk about this and other things for the next hour, i want to introduce today's guest - he is a politician-diplomat and minister how are things in ukraine in 2007-2009 volodymyr hryshko mr. volodymyr good day, good health to you and thank you for being with us on the air. i congratulate you, mr. serhiy, good health and dear tv viewers , mr. volodymyr, let's start with the global disaster, which, in principle, came

not only to ukraine, but also to the world, it is an undermining of the kakhovka hpp by the russian occupiers, ukraine is now overcoming the consequences of this disaster, but it is obvious that these consequences will be felt not only by ukraine, but also by the whole world . well, accordingly, the world must come to a cause-and-effect relationship, why it happened , how it happened, and in what way it happened what is meant is the recognition that the russians should get out of ukrainian territory and it was the arrival of the russians that led to the destruction of this dam. why, according to you, mr. volodymyr , is there no global reaction to this disaster ? you know, i think the reason is the holiday everyone in the west has already understood the connection a long time ago, well, we must be the last ones excuse me for saying uh , losers and uh, well, not very smart people in order not

to follow this connection, well, it is obvious to everyone that in all the crimes that are committed in the russian federation is to blame for ukraine, and it seems to me that all this talk about some kind of investigation, about some kind of commission, well, it’s all completely delusional , and i explain this wavering exclusively with one moment, fear, fear, of setting before the necessity in life. tough measures in response because if we look at what it happened at the kakhovsky hpp, and we are already talking about it, it has been discussed, it is in fact the use of weapons of mass destruction, it is something that can actually be compared with tactical nuclear weapons in terms of their consequences, not everything else , only without radioactive contamination of the territory , everything else is present, it is necessary to at least somehow react to it, but somehow this means very harshly and

to say that such things must be answered and answered seriously, that is exactly what the collective event does not want to experience, that is precisely why it invents absolute nonsense like they say there in galicia where you are now and they are trying to invent something to somehow delay the adoption of this necessary decision and that is why there will be commissions, that is why there will be conversations about the fact that something else needs to be clarified, at least everything has been clear for a long time and it will be method in this way, there will be an attempt to move away from the need to make decisions, this is actually how i see the consequences of everything that happened at this dam and why the west continues to play in this uncertainty, it is afraid of decision-making

. this is my version what is happening volodymyr, this is what our correspondent dmytro didora, who was working in kherson yesterday , is seeing. now he is in mykolaiv. we will also hear him on the phone now. i understand that the main wave of refugees from kherson, those who were evacuated, is now moving to mykolaiv , what are the conditions there for those who suffered from this disaster, and is everything enough, as in mykolaiv, they also feel this tragedy it means there, i know there is also flooding

from this disaster well, actually , you can see the consequences of the explosion of the kakhovskaya hpp in mykolaiv just behind me, this is the namyv neighborhood, and you can see that the gazebos of one of the local cafes have been washed away and as reported by the locals here there was a beach that is now completely flooded. regarding the displaced people from kherson to mykolaiv, the regional administration told us that people do not stay here , but they go further to some other safe regions of our country and can stay in kherson, and i will say that the majority really remain in the areas of kherson that are not flooded and are waiting until the high water leaves the city and it will be possible to return to their homes and about

mykolaiv, i will return to mykolaiv when the water level in the water area remains at the 1 mark. at 1 m and five centimeters yesterday at 11:00 p.m., the water reached such a mark, but at night she had already gone to bed, and according to information from the minister of community development of the territory and infrastructure of ukraine oleksandr kubrakova, we know that due to the explosion of the kakhovskaya hydroelectric power plant in the dnipro found dangerous substances, and let's hear what it is and whether it threatens mykolaiv. it has already reached the dnipro river . it is the president of the deterioration of water quality. accumulation and distribution. water that is possibly contaminated can be contaminated precisely for this reason, when it was announced

, it does not enter the water intake of the city of mykolaiv , at the moment we have a triple approximately control only on the approach to the purifier of our facilities, they have already calculated the losses only for water resources due to the blow-up of the hof hpp, there will be losses of two billion hryvnias, and as reported by the minister of community development of the territory and infrastructure of ukraine , oleksandr kubrakov, this figure will change in a geometric progression, accordingly, it will only grow about i can only say one thing about the people of kherson - they are really heroic people, they are people who survived the occupation, shelling of the russian federation, and now a lot of

water has come to them, and most of them are told by local people residents who help rescuers evacuate local even emergency buildings are like surfboards. they go to a dangerous area on korabel, because it is constantly under fire from the enemy and you can look at it from the left bank of the kherson oblast . evacuate and hand them over to the rescuers. and they told me that people there are starting generators in order to somehow hold on and even hear bread and let's hear the people of kherson who evacuated as soon as the great flood began approaching, the water went off, we started to get scared, we started to leave the apartments, the car was parked at the entrance, the kharkovskaya car was standing, and the guys took good, attentive things

, started it, sat down, and so we began to collect people on the island . пенится пенится волна из за делается yes, i understood that the water has gone, it was possible to evacuate the ship from the flooded area in kherson, and already more than two thousand local residents, and as i have already told you, they all want to wait out the big water and necessarily to return home also in the military administration in the kherson regional military administration emphasized that the situation in kherson is dangerous at the moment, today around 3 p.m. the enemy began shelling kherson, he was also targeting civilian evacuation sites, so the military administration calls on both journalists and volunteers to do better to postpone the trip to

kherson and to this section of the front has the following information from mykolaiv region from kherson region sergey thank you dmytro it was dmytro didora our correspondent who works in kherson and today in mykolaiv, mr. volodymyr, considering the trouble that the russians brought to the south by undermining the kakhova hydroelectric power station, it is absolutely obvious what losses we will have and are already at this hour at this minute, but it is obvious that russia is fighting not only for the south of ukraine, but also for african countries, if it it did not sound strange in this context, because the south of ukraine is the granary of ukraine and not many enterprises of the agro-industrial complex will now suffer from the lack of water that they took

from the kakhov sea, and it is quite obvious that despite this is a rhetorical question. why did the russians blow up the kakhova hydroelectric power station? some people associate it with a counteroffensive. there is another version that next week, when the leaders of seven african countries will come to kyiv and moscow with a peace plan. then it will be easier for putin to talk to them, because in this case, putin simply intercepts the initiative to provide food for africa after what happened with the kakhova hydroelectric power station, and do you share this opinion ? well, i would also like to return to the topic and compensation, which russia will definitely to pay according to the results of the military defeat in ukraine eh i recently saw a figure eh in 750-700 eh somewhere 700 750 billion dollars which is already eh i think russia should

calculate in its future budgets relative to what it should be to return to ukraine, and this is certainly not the last figure, because it was before the explosion of this kakhovka hpp before the calculation of all the losses that will occur after that . a rather sad forecast of up to one trillion dollars in losses, based on the results of what can be done can happen, that's why i think that putin needs to think more about this than about african countries, uh, but uh, regarding their plan, believe me. well, i think that we shouldn't well, to reassure or to think that they will bring something with them that e that can be taken

as a basis for some peace negotiations for this uh well there is no reason uh all these representatives of african countries in most of them sit on uh on handouts or on depending on russia, russia has been working there for decades, russia buys, sells, mortgages exchanges some regimes, so to speak, for others, that's what she does well. because corruption in africa is like a good day, and that's how russia is known, so i just don't see any reason to expect any kind of at least some new thoughts in

this regard . and will putin take advantage of this, because i think that we need to make sure that he does not take advantage of this in the final analysis. people who want to earn on it and earn a lot because it is serious uh, economic, so to speak, on the pipe and which gives enormous financial profits, then you just have to clearly take the position that this will not happen, that in the end there will be no supply of the russian magazine africa uh, because in the end you have to understand that uh and we can also influence this corridor, not only russia, eh, and ask the ruba question, if you, my dear american friends, want ukrainian grain to be with you, please go to moscow and ask this barbarian

about all the questions and why he has it necessary and explain to him that without ukraine, we will be hungry in africa. and your grain just won't get there. i think we just need to turn it over a little. fed up, let her ask us to do it for her and demand from putin that he stop the war, this is what we need to talk about, it's enough for us to constantly run around the world and ask for something on this background, mr. volodymyr , it's quite strange position although it is logical if take into account the last 15 months of the great war between russia and ukraine, the position of the united nations and the un security council, antony guterres says that the united nations does not have definitive evidence about who blew up the hydroelectric power plant, let's hear from the guterres organization

about access to independent information about the circumstances that led to the destruction of the kakhova hpp dam, but one thing is clear. this is another devastating consequence of the russian invasion of ukraine. today's tragedy is another example of the terrible price of war for people. gateways of suffering. have been overflowing for more than a year it must stop attacks on the civilian population and critical civilian infrastructure must stop we must act to ensure accountability and respect for international humanitarian law above all i call for a just peace in accordance with the united nations charter of international law and the resolution of the general of the un assembly, volodymyr ot guterish seems to say the right things about russian aggression, about the fact that this is a consequence of russian

aggression, about the fact that there should be a just peace in accordance with the charter of the united nations, but i don't, well, for some reason, i get the impression that there is some kind of analogy, he is like a notary who, as it were, certifies what has already happened, but there are no plans or any conclusions. and what to do with it, what is the way to come to of a just peace, isn't this another example of the fact that the organization of the united nations in its current form, with the conclusions and the powers it currently has, simply does not fulfill its function, the function from which this organization was founded after the league of nations, this is true and here, as they say, there is nothing to add or subtract. because you are absolutely right, this is an organization that has stopped fulfilling its statutory obligations. of course, this is not a reward for some other official. in the end, this organization is made up

of countries. states that are its members, and if you look at the composition of the main body of this organization of the un security council, then it is designed in vinnytsia in such a way that it is... well, it is simply unrealistic to reach some kind of joint decision , considering the fact that there are people present there which countries profess absolutely different values, i.e., literarism and democracy. well, how can you imagine that these two systems can unite? well, it is unlikely that , frankly, with the end of the war, it seems to me that the history of this un should also end, because it has already exhausted itself, it is nothing

she doesn't see, er, she doesn't understand where the aggressor of the state of aggression is, she treats everyone the same, she is neutral well, who needs such neutrality we don't need democracy and neutrality when they trample the principles on which it was all built, it's also not needed this is needed by the rest of the self-critical world , which, unfortunately, still exists if ukraine wins over russia , this authoritarian world will be seriously weakened, or even if russia collapses, it will be dealt such a nomenclatural blow. then we will have to think about another structure of this organization that will be founded and unite those countries that have the same values, but at the same time these countries will have to have

coercive tools if anyone else in the world wants to violate these principles, if you attack a neighboring country, you will be punished, if you throw civilians into the city, because we are, you will be punished, if your troops seize territory, you will be punished, but actually there should be such responsibility, because today's un is just scandals a place where such miracle-working diplomats in quotation marks lie to the whole world, and the whole world listens and understands that this is a lie . nothing can be done against this system.

was a much more effective organization than the un model of 2022. the 23rd year was the 39th year when the soviet union attacked all of iceland . at that time they took and took such a powerful step. well, if you compare it with the current languages, then it is true, well, that is the tragedy of the un that it did not study and did not take the best experience of the league of nations and created such a body that carries out its activities absolutely ineffective, if its security council cannot make any decision , including the decision to exclude any country from the organization, and especially the members of the un security council, then it demonstrates its complete helplessness and uselessness, you know, i really liked it

well, it’s called something like this maybe it’s a joke in kyiv when the armored personnel carriers of the un added a few letters that were called in english like that , that is, they don’t need those that don’t make any sense they they in fact, they only eat gasoline, but they also give their owners a good salary, but they do not do what is expected of them. well , in the meantime , the british prime minister, who was in washington yesterday, announced that he still does not know who blew up the hydroelectric plant in kakhovka, but britain supports ukraine and has already sent aid, we will hear and see rishi sunaka. we are still finalizing the cause of the attack on the dam in ukraine, but i want people to know that

we support ukrainians, we have previously provided resources to the united nations and the red cross, anticipating similar incidents, now these resources are being moved to the regions to help the affected families, this is a terrible act from which hundreds of thousands of people suffer. and mrs. ambassador of the united states of america to ukraine bridget brink says that the disaster in kakhovka is proof of the need to help ukraine listen, ladies, i want to say a few words about the kakhov dam and the explosion that happened there. i will start by saying that this is an example of the devastating consequences of the russian war, which puts millions of people at risk. a reminder for us and for everyone to support ukraine already today, and i am proud that the us government, together with partners and non-governmental organizations, are dedicatedly working on the nation as quickly as possible, mr. volodymyr, during these few days , president zelenskyi several times mentioned

the red cross and other international organizations that could do much more and what they usually do when such disasters and such terrible consequences occur, according to you , this is such a weak position of the red cross and in this situation, what is it connected with? well, i also mr. sergey, i would like to respond to these statements, and sonek and ms. breny, do you understand this shift in emphasis, in fact, you certainly do , we are grateful to them for helping and doing it sincerely but that's not what we're talking about , it's about what those who do this must be punished, and if the americans say that before the dam was destroyed, there was a small earthquake from the explosion, and it

was recorded by the seismic stations around, then who has doubts, is it really ukrainian energy with two tons there tnt got cleaned up on the dam and laid this uh-uh these explosives, and after that something happened. well, we have to be a little, well, more or less, well, well , in serious ways, so it is strange that the people who should have responded to this in the first place not with humanitarian aid, but by increasing pressure and sanctions on russia, they are talking about humanitarian aspects of all this, i repeat it again. it is very good, but it does not solve the problem, it does not send a signal to putin that he will be punished for it. and this is actually where we started with this. this seems to me to be the biggest problem, and in relation to

the red cross, it will bear and well, let's not let's deceive ourselves with all these red cross ideas, we've already seen the red cross, reindeer herders, we've already seen that they are also in mariupol, eh, let him be somewhere in the penguins, i think there in the entente, it will be somehow beautiful, we will have beautiful pictures somewhere there, i think and it will be great, because there is war, there is blood, there is a need to help, they really can’t. why can’t they because they won’t let them in? well, then the question is in the problem. and why are you there if the aggressor won’t let you in? stand and spread your hands. well, then i say keep busy you will be allowed by the polar stations there or are these tactical ones there around there and that's all, volodymyr, let's take a short break , let's return to our studio in a few minutes

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