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of belarus, flies to putin as the first secretary the central committee of the communist party of belarus to the general secretary, they meet there almost every week to discuss something well, it is clear that putin needs to show that he is meeting at least with someone, if with his own, then at least with his entourage, at least at least with the leader, the current leader of the belarusians , self-proclaimed at the meeting with lukashenka putin today he said despite bilhorod 's wooing, despite the difficult situation that is already developing on the territory of the russian federation with security in russia, everything is in order

, everything is according to plan, let's look sensitively vopros that we agreed with you everything is going according to plan well, this plan includes, in particular, as already reported by lukashenko and putin, that tactical nuclear weapons will be placed in belarus and, apparently, the service personnel, today russia and belarus confirmed through the mouths of lukashenko and putin that the beginning the transfer of tactical nuclear weapons to belarus will take place after the seventh and eighth of july, allegedly, this transfer has already begun, they talked about it earlier and the storage sites are ready, but it is still visible that putin and lukashenko are doing it during the nato summit in vilnius, is it true according to you? that is, we know that putin and russia are symbolists, yes, they always use such

things for something, and that this is another challenge and another blackmail to the world, including the north atlantic alliance, it is true. yes, but i would like to start with the piece that you showed regarding the security of russia, the priest. everything is wonderful and not according to plan . you know, i think more and more that putin is isolated from real information and given only the one that he perceives as positive, well, it is so common among the courtiers the practice is when the boss is afraid to say something that might make him angry. well, in normal countries, the boss, receiving negative information, begins to think about what to do

in order to deal with it. well, in despotisms , the head of whoever brings bad news is cut off. normal from their point of view of the system of lies when uh-he is a tzusar uh-he is even more and more distant from uh-uh the rest of the people and at the same time from the truth and that's because uh-uh this is how i think when we hear otaku here it is on the otaki that's exactly the confidence of the lovers themselves eh such a conversation that everything is fine there how i think that is far from good and far from control well but let's leave it

sorry for for him absolutely right, these are the last, or rather, the last goats left by putin in order to at least somehow try to keep the west in tension , and it must be said that this is an absolutely sluggish reaction to the crime in nova kakhovka uh, on and now, uh, the movement of nuclear weapons there closer to poland, er, to europe, these are all things that putin uses, and as we can see from this stupid reaction, in principle , i use them quite successfully, but still, i hope that the common sense of our esteemed western

partners will still prevail and they will stop being afraid, i understand that this is a typical russian blackmail, this is what russia traditionally builds its policy on, when everyone is afraid of something that in reality there is nothing, it is far from a fact, whether all these weapons are ready for use, what is not a fact, whether they will be used, but the fear is already there so me i would like those decisions to be made at the vilna summit that will show putin that nobody is afraid of him anymore. if this is not done, the blackmail will continue on june 12 in paris. volodymyr, they should meet in lavsholts, because judah and emmanuel macron, well , at least this information is in the mass media . it is expected that the meeting over dinner will be devoted to ukraine's desire for nato membership and the guarantee of the security of allies

on the eve of nato itself in july in vilnius a few weeks ago volodymyr zelenskyi said that if there are no positive signals for ukraine, then it would make sense for ukrainians to go to the lithuanian capital. did the participants of the upcoming meeting who will influence the decision or at least some certain signals on the provision of certain signals in ukraine hear from zelensky or it is clear to them that it is very important for ukraine to obtain certain guarantees at this summit, then at least some statements and confirmation that ukraine will definitely be a member of the north atlantic alliance. well, i really don't like ukraine to talk without ukraine, all our friends, close and further, and dining rooms talk about the fact that

there is nothing about ukraine without ukraine and such a format, it really does not give the opportunity to convey to partners what needs to be conveyed, of course andrzej duda will be, i think, our most important lawyer, and this is uh, well, one hundred percent, but uh, when they still talk about you, you should tell your partners, friends, allies the truth about the situation you are in, and not your lawyer who no matter how good he is, that's why, to be honest, this format confuses me a bit and uh well, we are the least bit wary of what we need. in other words, we are really saying this, and in this case i support zelenskyi’s position that we should go to listen to the fact that someday in the long term we

will have something somewhere. believe me, we have already passed through it. we passed it a long time ago. drove through this terrible blood that we shed every day on the battlefield, for them it's all a theory , they continue to think about theoretical possibilities well, this option or this option, but for some reason they are afraid again to take responsibility, well, it is obvious that they do not want to declare war on russia and that is why ukraine cannot become a member of the alliance today or tomorrow while the hostilities are going on, but to say that we will start the admission process on the second day after the hostilities end and that from this moment it is a full-scale, so to speak, full-fledged membership, you will receive our nuclear

guarantees, it is quite possible to say, but then for this you need to have political will, that is what we are talking about, and there is no such political will because they are inventing some pseudo-security structures that have some kind of hybrid nature from israel, a particle from korea , from japan, from someone else there, and they are making some kind of security compote that actually, well , it will not really work, we have already seen this compote in e in budapest in the so-called memorandum, what did he lead to? we can see it with our own eyes today, so i think zelenskyy is right for you to switch from diplomacy to tough talk at some point and ultimately set our red proportions . do you want us to be together, let's not want to

then talk about your fantasies, but without us, mr. volodymyr, i wanted to ask you about the bukharan language itself. such an event took place in april 2008. on january 18, three officials, the president, the prime minister and the chairman of the verkhovna rada signed a letter to the secretary general from hefeper , which, by the way, you handed over if i i am not mistaken from the letter in which they asked to provide ukraine with an action plan regarding nato membership, and then yulia tymoshenko, as far as i remember , wrote an amendment to this letter saying that ukraine can join nato only in the event of an all-ukrainian referendum, which should confirm this. let us recall why bucharest failed in the eighth year of this, why we are mentioning it now because one way or another

. closest to nato and than in all the years, i understand correctly, you see, mr. serhiy, our great internal ukrainian tragedy is that we always have a lot of populists in larda who believe that populism is the only way to make a political career and what we others survived the eighth year, in fact, it confirms that some political forces that are still represented in the parliament today lived and live with this same populism, well , maybe a little less now, because they are on hiatus. things are not very popular among people, and therefore they must be rejected so that even though there was a political will of the president of ukraine and the chairman

of the verkhovna rada regarding membership in nato , but when you remember the party of regions in principle, russia conducted a colossal anti-nation propaganda in ukraine, and the number of people who strongly advocated accession was relatively small there, from 19 to 30 to 32%, that is, it is not the overwhelming majority , not even just the majority. some political leaders found it much more interesting to play with this mood than to pursue an active policy, and therefore , after i really delivered this letter to the general secretary at the nato headquarters, then later through in a very short time, incognito

arrived there as a messenger of the leader of the entire party and said that he said that this signature was done almost under pressure, that this political force does not think that we should now join nato and so on and so on well, it is obvious that it was used not in the interests of ukraine but against interests of ukraine, and that's why the dead sarkozy was so happy because there is a split in the ukrainian government, that some presidents, the head of the parliament, are for joining the prime minister against joining well, then why be in such a hurry? especially since at the same time, everyone in the west still blindly believed putin's stories uh, although he already uh, there was his famous speech in munich in 2007, but they didn't pay attention to it

. well, that's why we got such a result then , although formally it was not bad, uh, nato said that we would be in the alliance, but it was postponed until better at the time, the current secretary general of nato and incest stoltenberg said that the issue of ukraine's membership in nato is practically resolved , russia does not have the right of veto. he said that ukraine and the north atlantic alliance will decide for themselves. when the time comes to officially propose membership, i don't know how. it's just the current words to speak er interpret stoltenberg or should we talk about the fact that ukraine will also confirm its status as a candidate in the alliance. are the people er or countries that will be a member of the north atlantic alliance, will we be able to do it, because of course this is a very

serious political decision if it happened in vilnius, it would be a big slap to putin, well, he obviously says exactly the right things, that is, he eh. by the way , it seems to me that in recent months he has made a colossal internal revolution in his consciousness and from the frightened general secretary eh who was afraid to mention the word russia at all, now he switched to a completely different formula when he talks about the fact that russia should be punished. well, maybe because he will finish his term as secretary general in a couple of months, now you can talk to him because you know that the vast majority western politicians start saying smart things. after they go to the cities, when they are in office, they are very afraid to say something . well, but here he is, and i

take my hat off to him, here he is these last months and is really demonstrating what we have to demonstrate er, the general secretary of the er, although it is a defense, but still a military union, now he finally seems to have caught the wind and he likes to say what this alliance should do, but you see, well, he is only the general secretary, he perceives decisions, many make them country and if we hear again from some capitals in europe and, unfortunately, outside of europe, that it is not the right time, that this may again lead to excavation and other things that cannot really be called serious, then this speaks only about er

reluctance er to make decisions and b about weakness from this structure, by the way, this is also a topic for post-war post-war changes , etc. no one needs it if it is afraid. we should also think about the structure that will not be afraid, and will make decisions and punish those violates the rules that have been adopted and that have been confirmed by everyone, because today's nato is more similar to what if something does not work out than to a structure that clearly and clearly shows that you will do it so you will get it, well, for now unfortunately, there is no such thing former president of france francois hollande in an interview with the times said that the entire conflict or war in ukraine will continue until the end of the elections in the united states of america. if trump wins, hollande said, then obviously everything can stop, meaning

military aid. by the way, today a decision was made to provide ukraine with another package of military aid 2 billion 100 million dollars, so ulang says that trump can stop it all and the russians can keep everything for themselves, i quote that they have, the war is very expensive. the defeat of biden in the elections and the victory of trump may come true, the proposal of the defense minister of indonesia when the conflicts are frozen and following the example of korea, that is, along the demarcation line, there will be two conditional ukraines. we will have very practical results on the battlefield, after all, the counteroffensive is starting, and i

really believe that the training that was carried out in our e-e armed forces is the weaponry that we received all this, and the main thing fighting spirit er all this will give a hammer cumulative effect when the russian er invasion will be stopped and this horde will be thrown out of the borders of ukraine as to whether or not trump will win well i don't know they call them ridiculous. but the positives are great trump cards for any of his opponents, even the republican parties, because if new and new criminal charges are brought against a politician every time, then this clearly does not

benefit him and still does not. it is not known who is really uh will win eh everything is very moving in the republican party itself and that's why we don't think we can't talk about something now well, it's too definite in this regard eh and i believe even more that we saw it when he was trump was the president that, despite his efforts, there is still bipartisan support in the congress for ukraine, although there are marginals in one and in the other parties, but the positive majority of the democrats and republicans are in favor of continuing the aid. and if you look at the numbers, it's there it is something in general 0:0 from the fact that there is er gdp of the usa. that is, these are not the sums that can

be talked about at all, and especially understanding that the er war gives the american military-industrial complex new er opportunities for development. so everything is not so here unequivocally, and it seems to me that for the time being we should actually think not about the victory of this or that candidate, but about the increase in military aid, and it is very good , and you just now reminded us that the americans are giving another large batch of weapons that should help ukraine win because certainly if it's the case freeze, this will be presented to biden's opponents as his defeat, therefore, and in this regard, we must win, mr. volodymyr, at the end of our program, i want to ask you about this concept, which is often

used now by the initiators of so-called peace agreements or of peace negotiations, the concept of a new territorial reality, uh, this term is used quite often, and it is clear that most of those who seek to push for peace plans, they count on the fact that the leadership of the ukrainian state will make territorial concessions recognizes, as they say, the new territorial reality, there is a survey by the city where only 10% of ukrainians surveyed believe that in order to achieve peace and preserve independence , it is possible to give up some lands and this is quite a powerful argument for completely ignoring all these peace initiatives what can be in general or can there be some kind of compromise if we are talking about some peace conditional peace

plan or plan for peace for ukraine i see no compromise because if we give up some of our territory it means that international law can uh very easily just tear it into small pieces and make a big review out of it because it doesn't work. so uh, it means that you can seize someone else's territory and after that you can not be punished for your crime because any- this is a war crime, this is a crime of armed aggression. if the evil is not punished, it is repeated. these are things that have been known and understood for a long time, so i think that we have no chance of accepting such proposals. - first of all any politician who does this will no longer be such a politician

on the second day, i simply will not be in ukraine, and secondly, this means that world democracy has been defeated by world totalitarianism, and therefore the continuation will be very fast. i think they understand this in all capitals well, but for now they are still afraid to take this last final step and say yes in ukraine donato and tell russia another similar case and you will get what you deserve as i already mentioned next week on june 16-17 they will fly to kyiv and moscow leaders of seven african countries how do you predict how this meeting will end in kyiv, why can you predict

in moscow ? will be hungry if he doesn't stop the war, i would build a conversation in exactly this way in a different way. well, i don't think we need to convince them. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation. this was volodymyr hryshko, politician-diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007 2009 years we talked about the situation surrounding the kakhov gesture of peace initiatives with which the leaders of seven african countries are to come to kyiv and moscow next week on june 16. these leaders will be in kyiv on the 17th in st. petersburg to meet with putin. of africa well, of course, all this is happening against the background of the destruction of the kakhovka hydroelectric power plant and the flooding on the one hand and the dehydration of some

agricultural enterprises working in the south that grow products , including for african countries, because this is very an important issue not only for ukraine and for the whole world for the food balance in the world and well, of course, we will wait for the results of the negotiations. the arrivals of the seven the initiatives put forward to kyiv were unacceptable because they involved the acceptance of the so-called new territorial reality, in other words , the rejection of the occupied regions of ukraine by the russian federation, friends, we will put an end to this. i remind you that we are working live on the espresso tv channel. you can like this video on

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