[000:00:00;00] do you also know this logically consequential thinking eh, in particular in the context of the recent events of the kakhovskaya hpp and, in general, the absolute reorientation in the near future of the south of our country eh and agriculture here eh, we see certain provocations in the kupyan direction on the ammonia pipeline that was allegedly part of the e-e bets on the table when it came to the grain corridor, we see that the security situation in the black sea is not getting any easier and in general the functioning of this e-e grain corridor may now be in question russia is once again signaling that she will put sticks in the wheels, whether by going to the russians and not visiting ukraine, lobbying the russian internet, it is countries such as african countries who understand that in this case , they are already putting sticks in the wheels, or

are they from below, and that russian exports will cover all that before of them are coming from ukraine first of course there are different african countries and i want to remind you that the representative of kenya at the un had a very powerful speech and actually after the large-scale invasion he said something i here , well, i recognize it is not a regional war that is, there there are countries that clearly understand what is happening, they are bought by russian propaganda somewhere, of course, or they speak there without special restrictions, of course, they understand what problems there were, because now, well, in fact, it is a deferred problem, yes, that is, what we cannot do, we will not have the opportunity to produce such a quantity of agricultural products that we fed the world there to half a billion people and as far as i remember such a figure sounded , it probably already reaches them, but on the other hand, if they

can do it, they can try solve something diplomatically and why do you ask the parties well, of course, there is one party that should be asked to stop the illegal aggression and release all the illegally occupied territories, this is the russian federation but of course they do not have such leverage here, by the way, too there is an important point that a large number of african countries, such as those that were at one time colonies and their borders were actually drawn by these colonial powers , it is quite difficult for them to understand what we have here this is happening because it seems to them that we must avoid territorial claims against each other, because otherwise all of africa would be at war with each other , the borders there are not natural, let's say that's why here they have hmm, let's say for sure such an illusion that diplomacy is i remain powerful a tool that can lead to a certain compromise and

the end of this war, that is, here i said that well, although i generally gathered all the africans , one was particularly different from the other, but of course that the positions there can vary, and therefore the understanding is that this the catastrophe that is unfolding in ukraine now, it will cover them as well, and of course that's why hm, urgency , as soon as possible, solve the problem for them, it is, and that's why they will put pressure on it, they will say that let's stop it, that it can't be, the same theses were that any conflict ends with diplomacy, that a compromise should be such a thing that everyone should arrange, not understanding that we have a war and a national one, and in such a war , in principle, there can be no compromise oleksandr hara, an expert on foreign and

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tell me, boy. this is a live broadcast of the espresso tv channel. thank you for being with us . my name is khrystyna yatske, this is nazarii volyanskyi. in the cold shutdown mode and other power units have been in this mode for several months and in the end the state regulator makes the same decision regarding the last power unit that this does this mean that it will extend the time for the operation of the water tank that is used for cooling the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the most important thing is whether it will be possible to do something during this time to prevent an emergency, please contact us oleksiy orzhel, minister of energy and defense environment from 2019 to

the 20th year, mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you. glory to ukraine literally. a positive circumstance is that most of the reactors at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant were put into cold shutdown mode, only one was in hot shutdown mode all this time yesterday and this situation has been corrected now the entire power plant, the entire nuclear power plant is completely in cold mode, what does this mean in the situation if there is less water in the water tank, it will evaporate, i don't know, it will not be enough to provide the

necessary cooling. the objects are representatives of the russian federation, that is, terrorists, and in fact the events that take place in the air force are determined by them because they are directly present there , the military is present, and precisely the personnel from the nuclear power plant , the ukrainian air force personnel are also under pressure there and under the factor that they are controlled by it's a pity for the russian terrorists, that's why the activity and operation of zs also depends on the russian actions, and here i would go back and ask the events at the kakhovsky hpp. we also understood that they control the kakhovsky hpp and no one could to check that they can detonate one even there based on some of their tactical goals from the point of view of the military defense of the left bank of kherson oblast. that is, it was such a crazy scenario that is why

no one perceived it as a serious risk. uh, the last unit is really transferred there, as far as i remember, the fifth unit is in a state of cold stop, this means that the uh object is in a smaller load, let's say so, and accordingly, less potential is removed from nuclear fuel, accordingly, less volume of coolant is needed to cool the facility, on the other hand, we are still there until the end, we can understand what the consequences of the blow-up of the hydroelectric power plant will be and where the water level can stop, respectively, and where and when it can be and how complicated it can be to take water from coolant for a gas station if there are certain estimates, then it is necessary to understand that it is necessary to look for alternative sources, drill

wells, or somehow find options to throw water pipes from the dnipro e in order to provide this additional resources of the coolant or the next step is to unload the nuclear fuel, which is critical , i.e. so that there is no more nuclear fuel in the active e-e part of the nuclear reactor and, accordingly , nuclear reactions do not occur, because without appropriate cooling, without normal operation of the e-e object, the temperature can rise in the reactor, even above the normative and even to critical temperatures, then the melting of the active part of the reactor begins, first of all, in the future, if this happens, we simply will not be able to operate the npp when we return it to the ukrainian jurisdiction and ukrainian control is in the bag, and on the other hand, in the worst-case scenarios, when

the situation can really develop for hours and not days or weeks, then it can be, well , a rather bad situation, which, unfortunately , ukraine has already had in its history, called chornobyl the catastrophe is now the kakhov catastrophe and it may not be, well, the situation with the nuclear power plant unfortunately, it seems to explode in your opinion, even if the russians do not intervene in the situation, they will not blow it up if the water that cools the nuclear power plant is in bad condition. it can there may be a meltdown of the active frequency, uh, active time, part of the rectors, respectively, a critical emergency situation at the facilities or at six nuclear power plants , taking into account the fact that everything is now in

the bottom mode. pp. e-e power units are working and appropriate reactions are taking place, this is a completely different effect when they are, roughly speaking, they are stopped in a cold mode. can we hope that the consequences will not be so catastrophic that the halo of influence on the environment, this does not mean that the raptor does not continue to emit thermal energy. that is, there are fuel assemblies here, they are simply in the mode in which less thermal potential is removed. if we talk about the fact that there is no complete cooling , we all understand that the temperature rises in as a result, critical pressure, critical temperature, and potentially the same situation that was at the chernobyl reactor, so if nothing is done, just leave it as it is without cooling or do not get disconnections

the volumes are necessary and the panosia or temperature is necessary heat carrier, then we will repeat a situation that was similar to what happened at the chernobyl npp, the reactors were the same . no one has downloaded it. accordingly, we have forecasts of a negative result. oleksiy , the general director of mogote, said that he was going to the gas station and emphasized that now is the decisive moment for nuclear safety. what do you think can happen to have to do in order to prevent another catastrophe, the main thing to do is to get it out of the as, and it is now in a critical state, because it is still necessary to take some actions to ensure its cooling, to get it out of the clutches of the conflict and aggression of russia in relation to ukraine

that is, it must be a demilitarized zone, the border will be under the control of the poloniv military there , the military may be other military personnel, but with the nuclear power plant it must definitely be outside the aggression and the war that russia would start against ukraine and well, it must be determined by absolutely all subjects and not only ukraine , russia, but also world organizations, then ukrainian personnel must be updated to work there and ensure the safety of its operation, and then over time return to the control of ukraine , and this is the main argument of the russians. place because russian terrorists have been cleared , they violate the principles of safe operation of nuclear facilities and the very factor of this, well, that is, it is an obligation

to demand the fulfillment of these principles and again the demilitarization of the armed forces and then, over time, the transfer what is the control of ukraine, mr. oleksiy, by the russians? i think the whole world understands what a threat the russians pose to the entire civilized world, being on the hook for blowing up the dam of the kakhovka hydroelectric power station. well, how is it possible for me and they don't fully understand. yesterday you mentioned something about ira carlson. what else can the international community do in order to somehow return the au to the control of ukraine. this is pressure on the russian atom. let's do it. every time we try to talk about it, there are people in uniform there , but they have some kind of identification. of the russian military forces. and there are people without uniforms

, because of the ato , no one invited them there, and people at the nuclear facility without uniforms are, in fact, one hundred percent nuclear terrorists. is building, for example, a nuclear installation in hungary, where ros atom can be a company that can build somewhere else uh facilities all over the world, we have there, the world community must define ros atom as a terrorist organization that poses a threat to humanity at its own facilities and creates the potential ocite on our land is the first point, the second point is, after all, as i said, demilitarization, and if maybe, we are probably also interested in the fact that while the de-occupation of the territory is taking place in our country , not only representatives can be present, many as conditional witnesses of the crime of the russians. therefore as i understand it, they have a very limited mandate and limited movement, there may be

other observers-observers who could be witnesses to the crimes of the fascists, and the more of them there, the more admission there will be after all, it is better for ukraine. ugh. well, i’ll tell oleksiy very briefly, what is the current balance in our energy system in connection with the changes that have taken place since the beginning of the large-scale invasion ? with our energy system, taking into account all this, we had them before in brackets. and when they were cleared, they were occupied at the moment , well, there are certain, let's say, miscalculations in the system . it was the period of the flood and it was the period when we had the most insolation, we will have a surplus of two more than the second, you will have a family, now we have a deficit because, well, you don’t need to take out the blocks, you have to take them in. for repairs

, we have to take out the fuel overload, as a result, we we have to cover the deficit at the expense of not always cheap imports, this is the first point, the second point, our thermal generation is very badly damaged, it needs repair, and now the typical generation covers the deficit, and again the possibility of an adequate repair site is excluded to carry out another critical factor for thermal stations . the critical factor is that ukrhydroenergo works in a completely different way in our country, taking into account the fact that we have a broken cascade of the dnipro hpp and this is a completely different regime. the regimes of ukraine, the hydrach, which must now pass water without retaining it in the accumulative system and operating at the moment it is needed for the system, that is, they are limited in these hands, and

in fact the situation is quite difficult, let me add that and our networks are very badly damaged, so the next winter is not considered to be very easy . thank you mr. oleksii oleksii orzhyn, minister of energy and environmental protection of ukraine in 2019 and 20. thank you for your professional view of the situation, a very short break for espresso and then we continue the final of the league champions on megogo man city is the most powerful team in europe, but in istanbul inters plays as if it were the last time in their lives . watch the super final of the season on june 10 at 10:00 p.m. exclusively on megogo. there are discounts on humor nasal spray 25% in pharmacies podorozhnyk v and savings every day at the mirror well, so that we are not judged by our

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the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, and we are rightly angry at the international committee of the red cross for the lack of attention to the ecological and humanitarian disaster in the south of our country, but the red cross society of ukraine is doing its job continues to be with ukrainians in the most dangerous and most responsible points on our mother map . for what we thank them ms. nata, tell me what your current activity in kherson oblast consists of i'm asking for a good day. do you know what's going on right now? it's the fourth or fifth day . we're already a little confused. how much time has passed since the disaster happened, let's say she did it, and you know this act of vandalism . now we have...

a little bit from pat water, the water is going down a little, but we understand that now we are overcoming the operational situation, these are the basic needs, you know, and the response to the disaster itself. i think that little by little , the water will fall and we will already have such big, big problems with test water and the water is generally suitable for sewing, considering that fuel was spilled from the kakhovka hpp dnipro, and in addition to the flooding of our village, the problem is the cemetery , the problem is that they store what was stored there, so we are now expecting a situation such that we will clean the water and we will well, we will have to provide both water and clean water to our population , and the water is receding, we continue to evacuate people , now this is being handled by our emergency department, and the first days, the rapid response unit of the regional organization and others were also very actively involved

it seems like the response of other regions that also came to us, that is why you really said correctly that the red cross of ukraine society is working in full and has been working for this period , initially prepared for a large-scale aggression in dangerous places, they are located as sh shelters, shelters in which they are provided with any help, this is also overnight accommodation, we mean accommodation. psychologists because we understand people who are left with nothing at all, and before language, this can happen because, uh, besides the flooding of houses that were prepared , they are now uh. many of them are simply falling apart , that is, people will not have homes

. unfortunately, many people who didn't want to be with a shelter, they are uh, there are five bogorodychi acquaintances, they are either uh, in apartments that are now uh, well, they have been provided with some kind of housing for a long time , and there is also a question because they don't have anything either, but we can already give them eh those eh things that are urgently needed right now, and this is permanent underwear, this is clothes that are needed because people in many cases simply, uh , went out, well, let’s say later, yes , there is nothing, uh, very, very much humanitarian aid is now arriving from communities from simply

people from uh, many funds are just sending now to leave uh, these are also such basic things uh, except for clothes, hygiene, shoes in the future already slowly start making purchases in a circle - first diagnose and then put it in order there you will dry it there and pump out the water in order to, uh, we communicate with many funds , well, you know, they call through the phone 24 hours a day and we communicate with people almost 24 hours a day, we meet people, of course incredible ukraine is simply incredible incredible ukrainians even who are abroad in our country now because how much everyone is helping, they taught that we are just now, well, we are sure that what supports us will also overcome ah yes, i’m so busy with questions we listened to you enthusiastically we listened to you enthusiastically we did not even visit you, the information you give us is so interesting, i read in the news that the red cross is helping local communities to cope with the new risk

of land mines and unexploded ammunition created by flood waters. please tell me how many such mines there are and the ammunition has already been found, and are there enough volunteers for this to detect them, and see if there are red cross volunteers, yes, we have instructors, this is a mine hazard, yes, we are not looking for prices let's let the movement shoot, that's what the explosive devices deal with, that's what the state emergency service does, because you know many cases when ordinary citizens are limited by prepared warnings , they blew themselves up on these monks, that's why we carry out preventive work, informational work - this is the population, because if, god forbid , yes you in the yard or somewhere to perform my yes nataliya shatilova you will feel our lady anatoliy volodymy and it could yes or it is audible yes yes

hello it is audible yes and it is about the fact that people who found something unknown or something similar there it looks like a mine or there is some kind of explosion, a dangerous object should not be touched after that. you need to call the emergency department of the state emergency service, the security service, or the emergency services, 112, and then trained people who know how to do something about it will come, and that is why the red cross is an information campaign like this and it's us in this population how to behave when or when we found it or when we got into some near it uh, it's not demined, it's true , we don't know how to do it because of them mrs. natalia well , if we're talking about the information campaign , then let's talk about where to people who now we are being looked at and sending