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barbarians according to the gradation of classical science . well, now we have roman neuter, an analyst at the center for food and land use research of the kyiv school of economics , mr. roman, thank you for finding for i congratulate you on our time, well, look, i may look bad now, because during such terrible things as we are witnessing and the war and this artificial, artificial spill of the dnipro, in fact, everyone is a pessimist. i am not such a pessimist, i want to ask you, maybe you will be on my side, or maybe not, if you imagine that today the russian troops left, we see that the water is starting to recede, and the ukrainians can return in a week, for how much can land use be restored in

the kherson region. i will say it in a very simplified way. well, we can restore part of it , but we cannot restore part of it without a full restoration of the dam. about what we have lost on the right bank of ukraine, it is the active kherson region , which is under our control, and it is somewhere from several thousand hectares to 10,000 hectares. these are the conversations that are going on now for comparison. i think that on the left bank, which is under control component will be several times more than before through this coast. it is more gentle, but in any case, there is a conversation about 1,000 potential tens of thousands of hectares. million hectares of agricultural land. that is, we are talking about

a relatively small number of hectares that have been flooded with water just like this. we are talking about agricultural land. look at one more question of an ignorant person like me. look , sir, we have a novel today. we have solid novels. this is very good, but there is a river called the dnipro, it still flows nowhere, somehow it didn’t work ok, not 100% to fill these small canals yes, because i rested there very often and i know such huge rivers there, even these large canals, but we are going small ones that irrigate a smaller area can, but the dnipro still has water there , as far as the dnipro itself can help because, after all

, irrigation was taking place . part of the zaporozhye zaporizhzhia region will be for irrigation of the correct kakhovsky reservoirs, i do not remember exactly the percentage for each of these regions for the kherson region - this is the highest indicator, it is 94. it seems to me that the percentages of of all the lands, were they the irrigation of the kharchonka of the region? this water was from the kahovsky reservoir, those lands, those irrigation systems , they are converted to the third one to work with the reservoirs, and without the functioning of a full-fledged reservoir, they will not function, mr. roman, i have one more purely scientific question for you. is there humanity? invented something new for irrigation, new saving - so that such huge flows did not flow . maybe you know less, maybe something else. maybe something else

. maybe desalination of some kind. i don’t know about the black sea water and its there. i'm not an expert, but you understand when i'm listening now that we're going to restore the kakhovka hpp or the kokhovka there are some er-er structures , as the russians say, change the rust, vague doubts, i see a new post-war ukraine ahead of the world in many scientific and technical dimensions, there is no sense in restoring what was old soviet because kakhovka is some 54th 56th years kakhovska greece or hpp i would like it to be at least 2010 and it would be better if it were 2050 so that it would be a dam of the future that will give its water in smaller i such

a smaller amount and so on and so on any plans to change one's mind, not to go the way that was followed in the soviet union if we are talking about irrigation systems of point point irrigation and they use much less water compared to these canals that were in the kherson region but again, this is something that will have to be built de facto with zero and we lost what it already was, that's why we can build something new, but when it's nice to build something new, when you already have some foundation, you already have some number , which infrastructure, i'll tell you in secret do not pass on my words to anyone. as long as the existing structure exists, no one will do anything new. this is simply the experience of the 33 years of ukrainian power after the soviet power. until then, you can take it here, and it is you, you yourself, in such a famous school in the center of food research in kyiv .

schools of economics and this is the famous dutch disease or some disease in which the russian federation will not do anything as long as there is gas and oil , the japanese went ahead because they have no oil, gas, iron, or metals, and they that's why the japanese of today are an exception, only the anglosak, the ansax, nothing when even everything is there, they still think, how do you come up with something else, then i just don't see an option, if it's to restore it, it means we 're here krapkovychi, what's it called there, irrigation, never in my life we will not build it because it is flowing, it is what it is that they wanted to invest money , you understand, that is, i have problems here, so we can talk about the percentage, so for general understanding,

the percentage of losses, well, relatively speaking, if we take last year's or last year's joint harvest of kherson zaporizhzhia, what other regions are there, and look at today 's harvest of today 's today, this year's 2023 , what percentage will it be? the vast majority of the lands that were affected by the kakhov hess from the flooding of such a hydroelectric power plant are a jam for those on the left bank of the dnieper that are under the control of the occupiers. it seems to me that only 10-15-20% of the lands are lands that are under our control, therefore, in terms of the loss of acreage email, we did not lose particularly much. that is, it is not something that can affect productivity at the country level, if we are talking about losses due to the fact that we do not have irrigation, and this is a waste that will

train if we are talking about chornovil somewhere from half a million to a million million two hundred and 300 thousand tons of grain crops for comparison or this year is the area of ​​the total harvest which is expected according to the data of the ukrainian grain association, it will fall to 68 million tons, that is, again if we are talking about scenario when ukraine fully regained control over this territory of its own we would have not conditional not 100 million tons of grain but 99 one more question if today if you know simply , i understand that the world has not often experienced such disasters. therefore, maybe no one knows. well, now the water starts to fall. yes, it will fall in a week. that is, it is possible

to sow immediately after it, or see how much influence this water can have . it caught fire and so on, but is it possible to sow immediately after the flood has passed to the yarik kultur company? it has already ended. that is, i don’t know many people who flood to reach, that is, then it ends, and if there were crops, they are already flooded. but if we are talking about the right bank ukraine where we have more data - it is because of that we keep control over this territory then the fields that were affected that got into the flood zone they were not sown because of the shine and the demarcation lines and such for the ukrainians

who like sweets, for example, watermelons, melons, they cannot grow without water, that is, if they are planted now, they will be there until september . i apologize for my word, they will not last and we will not get a harvest and we will not enjoy the beautiful kherson watermelons in kharkov, kyiv, lviv, odesa , see most of them production of kherson watermelons and watermelons. in general , it took place on the left bank of the dnieper, which is now under the control of the occupiers, that is, if we are not talking about the situation, ukraine will be able to successful continent, we will de facto return these territories. if we don't see these watermelons, we will go to mykolayivsk. and mykola , what is the ratio of mykolaivsk and kherson regions, where there is no longer any major cultivation and watermelons? even after the full control of the return of control over this

territory, due to the lack of integration , a complete disaster does not occur somewhere around 804,000 hectares and up to potatoes under vegetables and under melon crops and under the impact was about 10,000, that is, about 10-12-13%. all other territories they were without irrigation . that is, we can see if it is even absent in this reaction, it does not hit in khersonska, as they are the only one, because ukrainian watermelons are iron, you cannot kill them, they want to be born and give ukrainians the opportunity to enjoy themselves. thank you very much roman neuter analyst, center for food and land use research, kyiv school of economics, i am extremely satisfied with this conversation, and i will even tell you why i am extremely

satisfied, because i work as a journalist i know my colleagues very well and such colleagues are not only ukrainians . i usually criticize western journalists less than ukrainian journalists, but these westerners are the same that when there is a war that escalates, any war always has a desire for sensationalism. if we are poor, then we must be the poorest and the most unlucky, if we win, we have to win , that's why when situations like the one with the kakhovka reservoir arise, i just read a lot. you call some real specialists like mr. roman who just spoke. well, yes, we lost 2% there, we lost 5% there. there they lost 10 hryvnias, that's a lot of money. it's obvious because part of it goes abroad and is sold and money is received for which

ukrainians get weapons or simply pay salaries to their glorious soldiers, but it's not horror, horror, as i once said, and it's really a very big nuisance, but believe me, hard work ukrainians will be allowed during the time after the entire territory has been liberated to be restored quickly enough, and also the west if it helps and if specialists come and help even more, then believe me, i think everything will be fine. well, in short, but i know for sure that it will not be terrible, terrible, terrible will happen to me if i do not go to advertising now, that's why there are discounts on

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croatia, bosnia and herzegovina since 11 for 17 years, one of the best specialists precisely on the balkan topic, please contact us. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for taking the time to be with us . it means again since the beginning of the month of may - this is the sixth government protest with a fire extinguisher odessa učić is gone, that is, the president of serbia, protests after even promises of early elections. well, in short, again, the knot is what do people in serbia want from učić and who do they see in the place of the head of the serbian state, that is , not even anyone by name. and what idea of ​​kyiv do they want to see, considering that for the audience, i will say that the teacher is such an acceptable person in the sense that

she supports relations with russia quite fruitfully, but on the other hand, she has always said and says and will say what she is european integration, moreover, she is not against the supply of munitions to ukraine, that is, such a complex figure, but it is not to say that she is unambiguous, she is both there and there. so, oleksandr , who would they like to see when he went to vuchchich? to say i am one hundred percent for brussels or there for washington who who who what sentiments are prevailing in serbia today please mr. oleksandr well congratulations i am still a diplomat and therefore assess the internal situation well we can well i would say so

of course, the opposition that opposes the president is different, and there are nationalists and those who are oriented towards western values, there are those who fight for democracy, and meanwhile, they believe that the country is still developing in a slightly wrong way . in the direction that rights and freedoms should have been better . well, actually, we talked with you on the last broadcast that they used this situation in a tragic situation when 10 children were killed at school. and cold-blooded shot 10 owners of schoolmates and there were dozens of injured keys or teachers. of course, for the scale of serbia, belgrade is a serious tragedy, and we joined this tradition that we mentioned almost a day later. it happened in one real

district. a young man, 20 years old , was driving with a gun and i just shot from the window of the car at passers-by, a policeman who was not on duty was drinking, i was resting and so on , another girl, that also never happened , well, and that probably this decade of uchich’s rule also led to the fact that probably some values ​​in the country are priceless, and that's why such things happen, well, it's clear that it's a bit far-fetched, hmm, how is it all connected with this political situation of the country, it's difficult to draw a direct parallel, but it's obvious that social relations somehow affect the psyche and the general state of society in

the country and therefore the leadership of the country is probably to a certain extent responsible for what happened, well, after the murder of the schoolchildren , the ministers of education resigned, meanwhile, this was not enough for those who protested and demanded a change of government and the holding of the change of the entire government is a requirement for changes in this government, but the change is a democratic election , and such a revolutionary means that it is necessary to seize the premises of the government and so on. the country needs it now, that’s why the general general demonstrators are demanding a change in this political set pa pa pa pa mr. oleksandr, a very important question

, but you said there are questions about freedoms about values ​​but are there really such problems that is, the press, we feel the pressure of some state bodies. can people read anything? there is freedom of speech, there is freedom of the press, and so on and so on , and so on and so forth. how much do these people have problems with them? well, i will tell you that the opposition media are published regularly and supporters of the political forces of the opposition have something to read. well, they would like it to be much freer, let's say in print, it 's easier, but as for television , they think there is more state control and penetration, let's say on television, they think

it is much more difficult, and they consider the possibilities of television to be quite and quite serious, the possibility of promoting this or that policy, well, actually speaking , in my eyes, he is making the right move. he says you want elections, good. i agree to early elections. we will consider the issue of the resignation of the government. there will be an interim government acting until the elections are held, and then, so to speak , the parliamentary majority will form a real government that corresponds to the configuration of the political of the forces that will pass to the parliament, oleksandr, but the protests. as far as i understand, i may be wrong. please correct me about the tests again after the promise of early elections. and then the question arises: you asked for early elections

. here are the early ones, but they still go out on the street, what does this mean? well, some he explains this by the fact that early elections are a maneuver to settle the situation, they demanded a change in the government, they are taking a step forward and will hold elections, and it is clear that the wave of protest is decreasing in this regard because the demands that were made are being met. and now it means that these demands are being met. and now someone is making additional demands and, meanwhile, this does not solve the situation. and then what does the situation solve, if not a democratic takeover of the government and parliament , violent actions? well, it is hardly the project that is now

is needed in belgrade and in serbia, not in europe at all. in other words, we understand a certain readiness of the opposition to continue to fight, and at the same time, your position understands that these concessions by the government objectively dampen the momentum of all these opposition steps and there are no exits demonstration well, they rightly say that the new elections include new actors of the political party who do not participate in the demonstrations, who may not be pro-government, but now they simply join the election campaign, become active, they divert , so to speak, public opinion into something else, that is, into the plane of the propaganda of their programs goals and those changes that they want to make. well , actually speaking, the situation is simply moving into the plane before the election and the pre-election

plane of the demonstration, there are no more arguments and the tool to achieve a majority in the parliament is already there as soon as your electors vote and you will vote for oleksandr the last excuse me, please, the last question or a group of questions is still such a swang , the united states is calling on kosovo, some neighboring state, if you call serbia that way, conduct new mayoral elections and serbs from belgrade or somewhere else will speak again and they will say no, don't go to the elections again, 3% will come to the elections again , they will not elect mayors, that is, what is the way out for the audience, i will just say the northern one, not only

the north, but there are so many serbs in kosovo in the north, there is such a separate clavicle, so there are more serbs there, and they do not want to submit to the authorities of kosovo. well, and what to do now, and how to get out of the situation, mr. aleksandrovych , we talked about this, maybe since the time when we the last time we spoke, did you have any new thoughts ? what to do about it? well, the situation hasn't changed fundamentally since that moment. so i'll finish. the thought has passed. you said it right . is there any luchi in the opposition? what i see is that i don't really notice such leaders. which could to lead independently, i.e. dispersed forces, and this is objectively their certain weakness, this is the democratic nature of the process, i.e. there will be a large selection of leaders, meanwhile, there is no such person who would lead by himself, and this is the weakness of entire actions, the second one is some kind of

cementing leader around whom just a minute and a half, less than a minute and a half, so now. regarding this, uh, kosovo topic , uh, it's definitely not excluded, it's not excluded that after the early elections, someone might not like something if they will be blocked again, but at this time, they probably will to work with the local serbs so that they still take part in these elections, since you don't like these elected by three percent , if you don't like them, you don't accept them , then please choose your own who will be legal and represent you. here is the work in this direction and maybe it will be possible to convince that, to some extent, there is a way out of the situation that has developed. yes, i will just say two words out loud, mr. oleksandr, that

they will choose their own, that is, the serbs, and the confrontation may continue, that is, here again , again, a difficult topic, i cannot give you more words because if i give you a word, i will not give it to irina koval, and if i don't give a word to yaryna, it will be very bad for me later, because all i hope to do is work on espresso tv, that's why iryna koval and the news in the future. thank you, mr. mykol. literally in a moment i will tell you about the most important events at this time the 19th in ukraine in the studio of iryna koval news time on the espresso tv channel greetings to all viewers two people died, one more was injured due to enemy shelling in the zaporizhia region in