[000:00:00;00] our reaction was sluggish, i was generally very surprised that we lost like that, let's be honest, it's the first time in recent years, in fact, why our uh-uh partners didn't receive or didn't want to use all the intelligence information, although you understand that such things are an explosion of space surveillance. that is you still can't hide it, that is, these things . they are obvious, moreover, without even resorting to any kind of investigation, although it seems that sooner or later it will have to be done, because then it is the roof of genocide, and it is necessary to understand that there are protocols to of the 56th geneva convention to the first protocol, paragraph 15 to the second protocol , that is, no matter what it is, these

are not crimes, they are basically based on the fact that aggression and i am asking for the un charter were made by russia, it controlled the object, it mined about object that is, everyone has all the cards in their hands, why did this happen, someone says that they fear the horror is so great that this is where it will go next , that everyone understands that, in fact , russia can be accused of using similar weapons of mass destruction. that is, according to the consequences , many people think that nuclear tactical nuclear weapons, i am stopping you, i spoke with specialists, i know that the consequences will be greater for them: tactical nuclear weapons from this detonation

. we are only gradually making up for this moment. well, for my part, we did everything we could. rosie, it's our briefing by well-known experts who know the details of all foreign addressees, that is, maybe it works now through a week, the situation is somehow leveling off, don’t pay attention to some people. like, uh, like carlson, yes . that is, everyone there rushed at him. well, i think that he has all the signs of russian intelligence work there , that is, in america and that. by the way, they were kicked out of fox for the fact that it was an unreliable fakedav, for which they filed a lawsuit against fox and in order for them to pay huge sums of money, that is, it is not necessary to look at them, but why do our partners dose the intelligence data in such a way and throw it only through the media. i don't understand, but i don't understand

why that i perfectly understand that newspapers do not they take information from the air, especially in america, if in the first hour there was an internal decision in the united states, it was not at all like that, why yes? well, maybe they did not expect such an extraordinary action of the russians, and now the situation is very dangerous if there are no plans to respond to the information at least immediately to the following e-mails provoking a catastrophe , russia will go further, i want to say that we have heard in recent weeks, have you calmed down such phrases even from our official structures , what is there everything is fine, the water level allows cooling the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant listen to the question, don't equalize while you have an occupier who can use all these opportunities, the threat will be regulated

by the occupiers, that's why i'm telling you that the level of the threat of the use of infrastructural objects is dangerous, the level of the threat of the use of nuclear, well, the nuclear threat at the zaporizhia station will increase if last year it was managed to regulate these threats with tactical nuclear weapons, now this question arises again, russia can see that it works, there is no single such active position in the whole world, so on it's a pity, unfortunately, citizens of ukraine should be aware that they should be prepared for any development of events, uh , with such man-made things, that is, i think that it is now clear and there is no need to calm down , on the contrary, we should prepare preventive measures, and not wait while russia is still undermining some dam or taking advantage of imbalances or deliberately destabilizing the situation at

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there is the possibility of personal communication with the espresso team, click to sponsor and become part of the community with a ukrainian point of view, there is a war going on, and not only for territories, it is also a war for the minds, russia is throwing millions of oil dollars to turn ukrainians into a state of little russia, ukraine. a nice analysis and analysis of information about ukraine by russian propagandists, specific facts and methods by which hostile propaganda turns people into obedient zombies, let's counter information attacks of the russians in the project of the chronicle of the information war with olga len from june 5 tuesday, thursday, friday at 17:10 on the espresso tv channel vasyl zima's big broadcast , two hours of air time, two hours of your time, two hours to learn about the war and what the world is like, two hours to keep up with

economic news and new sports, two hours in the company of your loved ones presenters presenters who have become like-minded to many, as well as distinguished guests of the studio events of the day in two hours , vasyl zimi's big broadcast, a project for intelligent and caring people in the evening, nayspresso, how about we continue saturday's political club, anzhelika sizonka, married portnikov so let's hear vitaly's opinion now portnikov regarding the most important events of this week, and let's start, of course, with the blowing up of the kakhova hpp, and i suggest first considering the context of the global reaction, and for this i will quote several publications as they presented and covered this information. the newspaper spiegel also printed news with a general reference to the russian ambassador to the netherlands that moscow had appealed to the international

criminal court, accusing ukraine of undermining the kakhovka hpp, and this was their first the news about the explosion further led to the investigation of a supposedly independent investigative organization in russia, which came to the conclusion that the destruction of the kakhov dam led to an accidental explosion and criminal negligence on the part of the russian troops. the fact that the destruction of the kakhovskaya dam and simply writes that the destruction of the kakhovskaya dam took place without reference to who destroyed it and then also prints the comments of russian officials accusing it of this ukraine, but if from the french and germans, well, one could still expect such an ambiguous position, then the times publishes that the dam has collapsed, again, who destroyed it is unclear, the bbc in the general narrative

, the western media also print that nova kakhovka, who benefits from the breach of the dam, and so on and so on and so on everyone has the same narrative , similar to the russian one. unfortunately, vitaliy, why is that? well , because journalism remains journalism under any conditions, if you have no concrete evidence, you cannot call criminals can you afford it when you work in the journalism of belligerent countries, the journalism of belligerent countries in general can no longer reach certain standards because we are simply saying these obvious things quoting official statements of our officials or officials we are not going to trust official statements of russian officials, however, if you work for a respected western media, you do not think about how the ukrainian audience perceives you or read this, but how your own perceives you. if you publish unauthorized information, you

you will lose the trust of your audience and lose at the expense of another a moment that will respect certain standards of behavior, so it is absolutely not clear to me when we say that here they did not write it, they do not write it when there will be evidence. if you notice every day when satellite information appears on an internal explosion is said when new facts appear, more and more western publications are here here are the facts that prove that russia did it well, fine, but there are other terrorist acts olenivka for example, i don't remember the western media writing ambiguously someone blew up the volyn colony, it was reported simply about the explosion of the colony, and then there were reports that the russians did it and when the mh17 plane was shot down. no one said who shot it down, i agree, but it was in the 14th year, if you have it, if you don’t have it , see they also did not write someone raped people to apologize, but the russians were there, russian troops were there, and again. but they said this when there were

indisputable facts that russian troops were destroying people, and who else could have done it , as there were ukrainians, it was absolutely obvious that this is a war crime when i will wake up when they started writing after the evidence appeared, the de-occupation was correct and there was evidence of atrocities and it hurts the witnesses who came out and told western journalists we saw how russian soldiers kill our compatriots, this is the rule of sources and you really you don't believe that there is evidence that the explosion took place, the american e wrote about the fact that satellites have evidence of the explosion well , of course, i believe that there is evidence. i just believe that they are now, i believe that at the time when i was there, the dam of the kakhova hpp was operated there was never any evidence, it all works, it’s all philology, we don’t know at all what type of explosion the russians wanted to organize at the kakhov hpp, there are also a million versions about this, and none of them is reliable because we don’t know it, we don’t know if it

was necessary a catastrophe of this scale for the russians, or did they want there by way of some er explosion of the dam to delay, let's say, the ukrainian counteroffensive, and they came out as usual, they have such a word russian, you can't use it on the air when it comes to, well, you know about the ability of the russians to hide every insect they see in front of them as an insect. maybe someone can tell one by one, but when it comes to some serious engineering work, we are always faced with incompetence and carelessness in the ss, this is not the first time they did not expect such consequences because this one affected them very much they could, they could think that this is a controlled disaster controlled by the way , valeriy is absolutely right here when he says chaly is talking about the zaporizhzhia npp they can also think that they will do something controlled there of course, we can't believe now that the explosion of the zaporizhia npp could lead to such consequences as chernobyl or

kosym, because it is fortunately our non-working nuclear power plant, but in any case, they can think about something there, consult with someone, i'm just imagining these meetings regarding the explosion at the kakhovsky hpp when people are sitting with some documents with some analysis that may not correspond to reality because they are not competent, i have met a million times in russia with such a situation when people in high positions with such, you know, serious they offered absolutely idiotic things with their faces. it was completely clear how all this would happen. by the way, a great example of this meeting that we all saw with our own eyes was the meeting with president vladimir putin during the hostage-taking of the people of dubrovnik in the theater center on dubka, we would never know what happened there if leonid parfyonov had not deciphered

what the meeting participants were saying and it turned out that the then prime minister of russia and mykhailo kasyanov was speaking putin well, mr. president , don't you understand what if we go like this in such and such a way, it will lead to such and such consequences, and point no will not lead to that look here are the calculations of the ministry of internal affairs, here are the calculations of the federal security service, and they calculated incorrectly , we will not agree with you that they wanted to deliberately kill the hostages were no, they wanted to kill terrorists and show what kind of guys they are, they may have planned a certain number of victims among the hostages, but the number as a result was not planned, and i can tell you such stories about russians from my own experience, there are dozens of reasons why i should not think that this happened. of course, you can think that such a huge crime was planned, but

there is no logic in it, that is, 8 years of negotiations, the first thing to do for crimea is to open a channel after the occupation of kherson oblast, to present it as a huge achievement and then, in principle, to destroy any chances for his work , and this is not a joke, because they are doing this because they are saying goodbye to crimea, they are not saying goodbye to their heads with anything. not only are they not saying goodbye to crimea, i am convinced that they now they are planning how they will hold a referendum on kharkiv oblast's accession to russia, they are not going to go anywhere. there is no where you can retreat from. they have a clear plan for work until 2030 and there will be no ukraine in 2003 in their plan. what are you doing? did not doubt even for a minute and even if you imagine that they say among themselves that we are wings, then there is no such thing in the plan, they have to act according to the plan, which means that if we

act according to the plan, we have a subject of the federation, the republic of crimea is a subject of the federation of kherson oleksandria of course we will all take it and there are subjects of the future federation there for 23-25 ​​years kharkiv oblast odessa mykolaivsk so why are we destroying the possibility of economic development of the subject of the russian federation of the republic of crimea why are we destroying the possibility of military development of crimea because this is a base this base should frighten all our enemies if there are not enough water resources for our base, if the population will leave , then we will thus make the very possession of crimea completely meaningless. after all, we must to understand that crimea as a military object did not develop very successfully until the crimean canal. i also remind you of the lost crimean war from

the time of imperial russia and the lost crimean operation of the second world war. resources for defense and, in principle , the northern crimean canal provided opportunities for the availability of not only resources for defense, but also resources for attack, as the history of their actions in the south of ukraine has shown. they cut off certain response bodies with their own hands, i don't think this was their plan, i don't believe it, i don't think they wanted to capture their own defense lines, i think their idea was to create problems for the ukrainian troops and others on the banks of the dnieper , so this is a careless operation in order to understand how it happened , you need satellite data , you need intelligence information, you need all this , i think it will take another week, 2-3 months. we

will receive complete information. informative in order to comment on ukraine, let's discuss about the kakhovka hydroelectric power station. and what are you talking about the northern streams , these days they have become active again against the background of this story with the north, from kakhovka , the story that the ukrainians blew it up and it was written for the new york times and the poles has become active participated in this. and the story of the belgian weapons that are used on the territory of russia does not need to be thought about. we all the time believe that the enemy is not capable of working to conduct information operations for us. this is the impression that russia is something. she just sits and waits until people from the legion of free russia come to moscow. russia is doing something completely different, so everything is engaged in a real and real information war. it is not going to lay down arms in this war . the russian political leadership, led by vladimir putin, is going to win by

150% certain of this victory, we can consider that it is a delusion and there are a million historical examples that such confidence is false , the best example is adolf hitler, who believed in the victory of the reich, it seems to me until may 1, 1945 year, but there is no significance of the delusion - it does not matter whether or not the resources allocated to certain operations because german intelligence , in relation to hitler believed in victory , worked on various objects and so on until the last day of the reich, carried out special operations , engaged in information operations they worked with the agents in some kind of sabotage operations. until the last days, well , russia will deal with all this. until the last days, you just have to understand that we will say that russia as an empire is left two months, and in moscow at this time they will plan and conduct another operation with a man-made disaster on

ukrainian territory, it is simply necessary to realize that this will be the whole time as long as the russian-ukrainian war continues, in which state the russian state was not in, and before that, living in such a the reality of catastrophes, battles, disappointments, victories and defeats, but informational ones, at least, you have to get used to it, because this is a long war, we don’t know how long it will take . to adapt because when we want to run a short distance, we thus drive ourselves into depression when we realize that this short distance will not be in our lives, mr. valeriy clearly stated that we lost. we did not have the main map of evidence in our hands, so i agree, but we also had a guest journalist from kherson who also noted that the government was not ready for such a disaster, although president volodymyr zelensky himself, if i am not

mistaken, in october, so in the fall of 2022 spoke about the fact that russia cannot blow up kakhovsk why did they prepare this situation people? this is me too. to be honest, i am surprised that the kakhovskoe hpp will be blown up. it was absolutely clear from the first day after the liberation of kherson, and by the way, this is a good question , in general, how is strategic planning done in ukrainian the state because , by and large , i always have the impression that we live in a state of tactical planning. you liberate kherson, taking advantage of the fact that the russian troops, after they were unable to reach mykolaiv and further develop their offensive to the south, ended up in an extremely unsuccessful position in an extremely unsuccessful

position. and by the way, you yourself do not believe to the end , many did not believe us when christians kherson remains, remember that many of our accomplices believed that this was not such a maneuver, but i didn't have a stamp here , it was simply impossible to get defense from the ukrainian troops. to blow up the antonov bridge, to supply resources, reserves, weapons and you find yourself in such traps, and by the way, you remember that they understood this, how the russians work, they understood this a few months before and appointed general survykin from tasks with two tasks, the first task is to take on himself the responsibility for the withdrawal of kherson troops and the second task, the energy block of ukraine , he managed the first task, but the second one no , you don’t always know how it is in the old joke

, uh, bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull bull they took him with absolutely clear goals, because he didn't know how to withdraw troops and, er, destroy infrastructure, he did it in force. so, that is, at the moment when they appointed him, it was already possible to realize what they really were. yes, but now we think. and we what do we want to liberate kherson, or can we liberate the left bank of the dnipro, it means no. in this way, kherson turns into a place of death for a huge number of people because it will be shelled from the left bank, which means we need to think about the protection of kherson, if at all it is possible if it is impossible to defend kherson, we do not have a sufficiently effective system of countermeasures for the defense of the evacuation of the city. no matter how strange it sounds, the liberation of kherson means the evacuation of kherson if we cannot liberate kakhivska, go away, this is not to establish control over it, it means that we must understand that as we strengthen its positions on the front, the kakhovskaya hpp can be used

in the event that in the form of ecological weapons and man-made weapons this was talked about almost in the first weeks after the liberation of kherson from ukrainian and the ukrainian government means that it is not enough to talk, you must have a clear plan of action at the moment when it happens. there is no scenario for how to take people out. i'm sorry, but many people are missing, it's clear where they are under the water. well, maybe not necessarily behind because they are still somewhere in them this part, when there is a flood, there are dead people, this is clear . by the way, this applies more to it on the left bank than there was evacuated, and let's also pay attention to this . we have a good thing that ukrainians know how to turn their anger into donations and help the position of the united nations international red cross, but in any case these are international organizations, especially the un, in order to

make a certain decision, there needs to be a collective will and this requires a procedure that does not take place in a day . the red cross, we can already see it. it is in a deep institutional crisis . as long as we wait for the arrival of people from the red cross, everything will already disappear, as he said. yes, the journalist is going, and it is already the tenth of june. i'm sorry, but you're right, because they also have, they have to get a budget . they have to get strength for uh, enough opportunity to react. this is how any international organization works. it can't come before the earthquake. it's another matter. what is possible? was to negotiate with the red cross before blowing up the kakhova hpp, talking about what the algorithm of actions could be. this is another question . well, you know all this question already in the past tense . in any case, it is absolutely obvious that we need to think about the future, we need to think about others objects something else can happen somewhere. and you, mr. vitaly, already talked about this valery chaly, that if they blew up the kakhovka hpp, they can obviously blow up the zaporizhzhia

atomic society, and not the workers of the nuclear power plants, it is necessary to hold a meeting that they are to the president, but conditionally speaking there to the head of the state committee from emergency situations or whatever this service is called , to representatives of the government with experts and to discuss with them the algorithm of possible consequences of an accident not for any accident on zaporizhzhia, taking into account the fact that this is an accident at a station that stopped, in fact, it is stopped and what will this affect, because i, you, valery, can talk about the zaporizhia hpp as people who simply know that this is a nuclear power plant, nuclear experts , do you understand the difference between an accident at a station that has stopped and an accident at a station that is still working, so far we have only dealt with with accidents at stations that were in working condition , this is the chornobyl nuclear power plant

of pokusimi npp, and by the way, it is interesting that our specialists who worked on the elimination of the consequences of the accident at the chornobyl npp were invited as experts after the explosion at focusim, because these were identical challenges at a working nuclear power plant. but there is still not a single expert in the world who could boast of practical experience of an accident at a non-working nuclear power plant . we hope that such an expert will not appear because there will be no such explosion, but but in in any case, it is necessary to calculate purely scientific mathematical, what level can this be the explosion of one reactor, three, three, five , what can be the release of radiation, or at all can it be again, after all, we are not physics and what will it cover the territory and is there a danger for populated areas? or maybe all this is exaggerated, you understand, if we in megate say that

the zaporizhia npp does not pose any immediate threat , then this is the conclusion of experts who deal with nuclear energy, we must wait for the visit of the general director of the grosu store in zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and understand what can really happen. and by the way, these are some questions that should be asked to such people as, uh , non-developers. but if the russians arrange an accident there, what will it lead to, what should be done in in this situation, it is necessary to evacuate some nearby cities or villages. and can we evacuate them to that? by the way, this is an occupied territory, i took into account melitopol, and it is a huge territory that is connected to zaporizhia aza on the occupied territory . that is, this is the question. and if we it turns out that there is no direct threat to the timriyas in which we are located, and we

cannot help the territories in which the occupiers are located, as with the left bank of the dnieper, we can calm down in good faith at the stage when we do not control these territories. and if we we will control these territories, but we will not control zaporizhzhia, anyway, the algorithm of actions should work like this in general. the state is simple. but if we want to work simply through interviews and appeals and challenges, then we will work in another river. what will you do here? well i say all the time that politicians should not replace journalists with themselves, but they are probably sitting in italy or something . i think we have laid out everything on the shelves about the kakhovka hpp, which is being undermined by the russians, and our hydroelectric power plants, unfortunately, the consequences are significant, and all the experts are talking about this. however, evaluate them we will definitely be able, i think, only later , because it is such an ecological disaster , first of all, to say that it is an ecological disaster after an ecological disaster, the construction of