[000:00:00;00] and here one of the triggers was to prevent a large number of grasses among their own armed forces, that is, the leadership of the armed forces already at that time considered such a trigger, and the disarmament is not there. so you say doctrinal things. but in order to avoid the defeat that we have already moved from defense to offensive, the topic is russian troops replenishing reserves, what are your forecasts for the coming weeks , maybe months. how long will the defense of bakhmut last? and, of course, our main goal . our main goal is to release into our territory what tactics will be chosen today - the next offensive there in one route there are several routes with the possibility of transferring our reserves from one direction to another actually depends on our intelligence and

the intelligence of our partners, since these vulnerabilities in their defense and we will be able to immediately take advantage of this chance on mobile and strengthen break through this offensive. it is not clear that our engineering technique plays a big role. because those created engineering skills are obstacles, they are really there today there is enough volume, but what is important for us is that you will not lose it on this technique. why because you know that we do not have much air cover today. which we should receive by the end of the year, by and large they do not pose a threat to russia, but you cannot play your big positive role precisely when receiving our offensive actions during our counteroffensive, but due to the lack of such support now it is clear that we will have their losses and we need to somehow replace these things

and protect the defense equipment. thank you, mr. valery . thank you very much. valery kondratiuk. and now our colleague is with us, the main thing is the editor of the edition of the bridge from kherson, serhii nikitenko, and we will talk, of course, about what is happening in this region. congratulations, mr. serhii . congratulations. arranged a russian kakhovskoe hpp well, i'm not sure what we can encourage, but such intermediate results, yes, intermediate results for the kherson region , they know a little, eh, well, they are ambiguous on the one hand, eh, we refrained . yes, kherson refrained, and the government refrained from

the other side. well, we in part , they demonstrated their unpreparedness for a man-made regional disaster, politics, very, very much, what kind of excuses, please tell me, mr. serhiy , have you personally seen any international missions of the un red cross, possibly of other countries rescuers who sent us boats or manpower to help save people from the kherson region , i see the red cross of ukraine today on the mykolaiv highway, i see a cold, as it seemed to me, it was also in the red features of ukraine in kherson, i didn’t see them personally, you already went, uh, well, they say that he saw them. my uh, colleagues, that is, regarding chuvnyk, i didn’t see them, because most of what i saw was

provided by volunteers of such strip volunteer organizations or simply by private individuals on the first day i saw the removal of people, let's say just on private boats, just on fishing bees . in principle, we can say that kherson has lost its place in a certain area that will have to be restored. after this flood , so to speak, in terms of size. although not very much well, a big one. well, so that the people of kyiv would understand this. something like rusanivka. yes , if kyiv has lost contact with monovalent roshanivsky

. it is very similar. high-rise buildings, big houses, er, hmm, in principle, er, this is kherson itself, yes, kherson is partially flooded, a sunny neighborhood , er, partially flooded, an attempt , well, that is, you understand, er, the geno community of kherson, or it seems to me that we simply have all the dishes so that we can’t be with you now even for ourselves to realize because we still don't know what was on the left bank, how do you know the left bank is much in the city for the right of that and losses unfortunately, we are waiting there, it's olezhki gola prystan , now everything will be fishing in korsun, so cossack verena, it's krymsky that is all national checkpoints are large, you yourself are the checkpoints located on the left bank, mr. serhiu, but with regard to the left bank, the russian occupiers say that they did not help evacuate people at all, first of all, they did not allow our

volunteers to take people out and even checked whether those citizens of those local residents had russian passports only then could volunteers be allowed in so that those people could be saved, or how many were rescued from the left bank? well, i don't comment on the rescue operation on the left bank. i don't know anything about what they are saying. i don't see i have not personally heard and those in the world who have seen personally uh, well, something that we have heard now about the left bank. unfortunately, this is fiction and manipulation, that is , i would not spread this uh-uh story further, because russian passports, too. well, i did not see and do not talked to people although i talked to several people after they were removed from the left bank, i will not say from where and when , but they did not say that they saw russians on

a boat, but my pro-russian passport holders did not tell me anything about everything you say . well, it seems to me that this is a little you know condensation paints, who evacuated these people you are talking about, i cannot say this , is it the ukrainian side or the russian side, you can also say it in ukrainian, you can say the action. if you people got to kherson like this, well, i guess i, well, i am not commenting on everything that is happening now on the left bank i don't have to comment at all. but in general, uh, do you understand the logic of the russians, that they declared the kherson region a part of the russian federation and decided to flood it

? how is that something at all? there are such attacks, light attacks of attempts to recognize and understand what they are doing, yes, but it usually ends. in general , this is a thankless business, yes, to think about what those russians are thinking. i think, well , they are not, well, they are whole. loved these people yes they have no price uh there uh to own and dominate these territories i think they would control them if they all died it would be easier to serve them because they are stronger i think that they well i explain to myself that they so they think and it seems to me that's all. yes, mr. serhiy. is what you see enough humanitarian aid, because i honestly personally wanted to send things to kherson by nova poshta today? yes, there is a whole charitable organization that deals with this, and i was told that there are even divisions about kherson

it is no longer necessary, this is all no longer humanitarian aid, the limit has been exceeded and they have been sent to the donetsk region , so do people really have enough there? well, from what i see, there were many evacuations, there were very different ones. we are now watching the video one of the points that i understand is that it is the morning of the 7th of june, when there were not many people, but you see people being given food. there, i see how people are being given a set of shifts . honestly, but there is no information about the needs at all, but from what i see, how many people come and go to kherson and get soaked. well, i would believe that

nothing is needed anymore, i understand. yesterday i spoke with representatives of a reputable charity organization. i understand that now all will not need to focus on help the rescuers, now their time will come because, well, that's exactly how i formulated it, that now those who know how to work , not those who want, so help will have to be rented to rescuers, military and policemen who are engaged in... well, it will be necessary to pump out water will need to be pumped. well, why the myths of which they were shouting something here in kherson, so much is not needed anymore, that is, the volunteers did the honor of praise for the first day, well, everything you could and everything possible is needed, mr. serhiy . thank you very much for telling us about the current in kherson, serhiy nikitenko, the editor-in-chief of the publication of the ministry of health, was in direct contact with us from kherson directly. we are so happy to hear that

everything is enough, and even boats, because in the first days they were collected for them in the first place. and funds for volunteers. thank you to everyone who is currently evacuating people and animals, but i also feel sorry for animals because they also have the right to live and i thank everyone who also saves them, this is already their creatures , we will hope and will try to help in the future. unfortunately, the russian federation continues its terrorist acts and we must all stand together and now we will have a short break after which we will return to the air together with vitaly portnikov there is still a little bit of us at nasal not osinus 20% in pharmacies podorozhnyk vam and oschad ay assigned jokes with pepper humor with victory from the creators of the sketch show nashye bez rashi meets on june 13 in lviv

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canada supported the country's accession to nato and in general, 20 nato countries expressed their support for our euro-atlantic integration. this was reported in the president's office, and mr. vitaliy is actually curious why three came to kyiv with such an unannounced visit to express our condolences over the blowing up of the kakhova hpp well, first of all , there were no more announced visits to kyiv because all western leaders make their way to kyiv with so-called announced visits, i would not look for any special reasons here, because these visits are usually planned in advance, maybe months, maybe a week, for they are not inform you to follow the security protocol that exists for the leaders of the leading countries of the west and the global south in a situation where their security is at stake, you will see that when, say, the president of african countries will arrive in kyiv, the president of south africa

of the republic sat gramofosa about their trip will be known in advance but they are going not only to kyiv, they will also go to moscow to meet with the president of russia vladimir putin, so they can more or less calmly feel that are they security or the general director, he also says that he will come. when he comes , because he coordinates his trip with both sides. and if you don't inform moscow, then you need to go so that moscow does not want to do you some mischief for that so that they implicate people who live in kyiv. this is also an important point. you understand that there is such a thing. you know, can we plan a rocket launch this day, when trudeau will be there , so valery chaly is in touch with us , a diplomat and former ambassador of ukraine to the united states. congratulations, mr. valery. greetings. glory to you what is there to ukraine about this logic of talks about joining nato on the eve of vilsko itself, on the one hand there is no

special progress, on the other hand everyone says who can what they support us in this introduction, although on their own, they themselves do not even try to give any real signals that this means this means only one thing that the war is still in its hot phase, it is, in principle, reaching its climax somewhere and everyone is waiting for the result on the fronts, let's be honest, no one wants to enter at the stage when you need to strengthen ukraine as much as possible and defeat everyone for some reason they say such a phrase, it surprises me. so when ukraine demonstrates that it can defeat russia, then we will accept ukraine into nato, well, it looks like a rather strange phrase , but in fact, behind this phrase, the main position is that we are ready, in principle, we will be ready

politically to accept ukraine in case well, when it becomes clear that russia will not pose a threat in the next 10-15 years, and this is a paradox . that is, we also want to have a cal prime minister i olena zelensky signed a joint statement is there. the new formula is ukraine will be a member of nato when the conditions for this are there. i will remind you that the bucharest site talked about the fact that ukraine will be a member of nato now when the conditions are in place, that is, let's move on to the formula. we invite ukraine to nato and all the procedures are already for ratification we will start the accession procedures when there are conditions , well, that would be somehow understandable. and this is how it actually

looks, it looks as usual, unfortunately, no one looks two steps ahead, our deputy minister of defense of ukraine, volodymyr gavrylov i am convinced that at the summit in vilnius we will be given the admission algorithm directly, that is what he is talking about in general p valery, what can this admission algorithm be despite the fact that i know very well at home, he said he is a smart general, we worked together in washington i do not know what he is talking about well, maybe these are some conditions, which you said that when the war ends, the task is not the task of the deputy minister , it is not a specific task to declare any positions. ukraine to nato, we understand that we will not join now, but a political decision

must be made, what algorithms are we talking about, i do not know at all, i think that there should not be a cacophony of statements, i heard five different positions, this does not apply to the personnel, i am just telling you five different the positions of the officials of ukraine, what do we expect from free people, what do you personally expect from me, i don't work in state structures , that's why i can afford to say realistic things, you should always try to get the maximum, it's understandable and political the position of the president is correct now, so we have either vilnius or , at most, washington next year on the jubilee alone to receive an invitation, again from an invitation to admission, it may take more than one year, one year of finland - this is a record so quickly no one

performed all internal states procedures in of all the countries, we are now essentially expecting sweden, then we really want ukraine to be the 33rd , which means that it is 32 countries. that is, it takes time . it is very, very important that a political decision is formed. i absolutely do not think so. well why is it necessary to discuss all these details instead of the commission, the council of ukraine, nato, that this will advance our cooperation so much that we will go to nato in grand seven-minute steps, that's all , well, let's be honest with you, now the war will do nothing, there is absolutely no deepening of the mechanisms, it could be done gradually before, in principle, we did this for many years, the military did its job , the politicians, their society united less

on the side of the nato border, they are not ready. i understand that every word brings the result closer. but i think that now, uh, well, it is really very important to understand the timing, that is, the time frame, and the time frame is such that if you do not give putin a clear signal right now, it is when the front is being attacked. if there is no such clear signal now this is a bold step, i understand there are risks, but this boldness is political. it has to somehow come to someone's head because, well, this is leadership, this is a vision two steps ahead, well , you understand that everything is very simple, that for nato countries, if they even receive for a year or two, a buffer zone at the expense of ukraine, then everything will come to their house, and now we just need to strengthen the position to take putin's step forward

. that's all. as an analyst, i know as a person who has worked, that is, it is necessary to take a step forward, are they ready? they do everything. some countries are ready for things. there are not so few of these countries . of course, these are our neighbors . they understand this. just work in the direction the maximum result at the summit, but one thing must be understood. if we are going to focus our efforts somewhere on security guarantees, somewhere there is a council, let's turn the council into a commission , let's come up with an algo. well, we'll come up with something. that is, it sounds beautiful, but so far it's just words , empty words, for today there is no political solution there is still time and we have to do it. all of us, and i am trying to do it in order to get the maximum result. and tell me about this meeting , which will be on monday. three meetings of the president of france, the president of poland and

the federal government of germany. she can lead to some new results from the point of view of the discussion of ukrainian euro-atlantic prospects under predvilnovsk, right there, or is it just a tribute to such i would say protocol diplomacy, i don’t think that it is a protocol because , in principle, poland is more interested, well , poland is, in principle, close to the position that ukraine was a member of nato because it covers poland. therefore, it will strengthen it, but it seems to cassian germany that he wants to call putin again, well, such a message was for sms information in this regard, i do not know what it is it means, well, we may have a conversation between the presidents of ukraine and poland. it will become clear. it seems that tomorrow is planned. this conversation will become clear about what will happen there. i do not expect any breakthrough there , but i definitely understand that without the position of germany, france, well, as well as poland and

great britain and the united states in the first place the issue will not be resolved. we can talk about all the countries, we understand that the decision depends on each country, but if the usa, france , germany, britain, poland, yes, then the decision is made , then i think it will go very quickly politically, because if 20 nato countries, we already supports this means that we have progressed over this year and a half, in particular, from the full-scale war of russia against ukraine to our euro-atlantic integration. do you still think that we are working very moderately on this flank, you know now is the time when we cannot speak moderately actively, this is a qualitative transition when you become a member of the security and defense alliance in europe , and i am nato. well, euro-atlantic, but it also provides security in europe, then you

share the risks with everyone. and now, in the fall, we will detain russia. at what stage will it be implemented? but i am still an optimist and believe that there are intelligent people there, well, i know that the military analyzes everything practically and pragmatically, i know that many military even in those countries of the alliance where the politicians are undecided, they are in favor of it, that is, i am confident in them that there will be less expenses in the security sphere. well, they will receive what they did not have before . let's be honest, which country or army in europe will put a million people under the gun ready to die for their country for european security, i will tell you frankly, not a single one is ready today there will be so many people going to fight to the death for their country and for european security, not even poland. although i think

the poles and the baltic countries understand this danger more, and the slovaks, but they do not have such a number because without such a contribution to security in europe europe cannot defend itself, nor can it defend itself against non-nuclear american weapons. although there are french in britain, but the american is a powerful number and seed, that is, everything is united . i just want to tell you one thing. so vilnius will be if a final decision will not be made there, this is a failure, it’s not like that here, in principle, the situation is changing dynamically. in general, if i’m honest , i think washington is more realistic . already showed our visa-free entry from the eu upon obtaining

candidate status. that is, it was also considered politically impossible, and then it was implemented . internal reforms were carried out. homework you are done, and therefore if it happens, then if it is against one country well, what do you think now that there is such a drastic action against one country so, so as not to allow well why so, i do not know, time will tell, but yes, in principle , all other countries can be convinced, i am an optimist and if in vilnius, then in washington , we must achieve this political result. and what kind of country is the united states of america ? hungary believes that the united states of america is not such a country. no, i believe that the united states is not ready for a decision now, unfortunately, although they were ready in bucharest in 2008, and george came to kyiv and it was a political decision. now there is no such decision. and why

won’t it happen before washington, that is? maybe it will become a pre-election argument for joseph biden . for 10 years ahead, except for the people who sit in such closed rooms and draw plans, these are the people who understand that the country of ukraine in nato is a more reliable security system in europe than ukraine outside, than a buffer for all together between russia and over p . the mass media, after all, there are very ambiguous statements, there is no specific

accusation against russia, is it possible to express and give such ambiguity in the 472 days of the full-scale war of russia against ukraine and the ninth year of the war? the opportunity to express the position of russia, allegedly, and ukraine, who is ukraine the aggressor? well, that is not the question. now the situation seems to be leveling off a little, but i will tell you honestly . i do not know what happened so that such a situation would be informative. i do not have the full amount of information, but for me one thing is obvious, but as an international penetration , i will say that if an infrastructural object that is a threat is mined on the occupier on the territory of another country of the occupied territory, this is already a violation, not just a violation, he becomes responsible for everything that will happen