[000:00:00;00] the judge can call putin, that is, how realistic is this inclination towards so-called peace now, because we understand that there will be no peace just in case they calm down now, then this opens the way to the next wars. what do you say to mr. serhiy? this news what they say scholz means when he a-a spoke at such a church protestant er protestant how to say it this is the format of the annual meetings of the protestant church in germany very important er very it is important, such a very important event. and there they really asked him when he was speaking, they asked him, so it means that with regard to the negotiations for moscow, here it is necessary to understand that the protestant church of germany has

probably the most pro-putin supporters at the peace talks, they spoke very loudly anti-supply of weapons means to ukraine for er for the war against russian aggression and now they are also loudly announcing the necessary means of a cease- fire, supposedly this path to peace is so complete without complete delusion, absolutely disrespect for the lives of ukrainians, ukrainian women, and precisely for the world, here and there, he was forced when he spoke at this event, he was forced to answer this, his answer was actually very worthy and what did we expect from him that is, months after the beginning of the large-scale invasion, that is, he is in our country, so he has finally matured to that point. we saw him there two weeks ago in eastern germany, when he spoke very loudly that putin is the aggressor

, his weapons must be stopped, and now what is he well, of course, it is theoretically possible to make a phone call, but the only condition for the negotiations will be the complete withdrawal of russian troops from the territory of ukraine, and that no concessions, no compromises in this regard, which means that there is no way that russia can leave its troops there , because in this case germany will actually force it is impossible for ukraine to agree to satisfy the aggressor, it is impossible to force ukraine to do so, that is , scholze's position here was absolutely normal , whether he would really call putin or not with this speech, in fact, from this answer, let's say yes, in fact, nothing happened. he said that he could theoretically, well, how could he do it , if he didn't necessarily do a lot of things, that is, i don't think that there is anything to worry about. germany at the chancellor level

and of the government still demonstrates a very strong and er very er sorry i disappeared but they were heard speaking demonstrates a very dignified position and here are these calls there of some there bishops episcopacy means that you need to immediately stop the fire give all putin needs is for people not to die. this is complete nonsense and it is simply not necessary to pay attention to it, mr. serhiy, just in front of my part of the broadcast of our espresso television company, there was a discussion, i do not remember is it euro-news is it erafi is it deutsche welle i i don't remember, but there were european representatives there, and one woman said that we need peace, well, the other said that well,

peace is the opening of the road to war. for peace she is from slovakia, she is a deputy from slovakia in the european parliament or a slovak deputy, she is not needed peace peace peace and opposite sat another woman i sat and thought well , i always put myself in the place in such discussions i say well let's go then let's take ukraine from you will russia or the martians take a few kilometers from you to the capital and then we will sign the peace and it is no longer yours and that is, i always see a very weak system of evidence in those peacekeepers and i always see a very strong system of evidence that says that it is necessary to finish off such e enemy to finish off the criminal what do you say, how popular is it in general, why can't you easily win with such a simple

logic of those people who call themselves peacekeepers? well, because this is absolutely sick logic that completely ignores reality, you can't argue with a person who ignores. there are people who think that there are vaccines there are vaccinated there by large pharmaceutical companies, which means that some biochips are introduced into the body and with which the lord begins to control you at night through the network, you cannot contradict them because their reality in such a useless imagined reality, it is absolutely different in their useless reality, their arguments work, that is, these people who say that there is no peace now, no war, no weapons in their reality, the russians, er, mean er, it is necessary to give the russians the opportunity to hear security because they mean us they felt in danger before that in their reality ukrainians are not in danger in the occupied territories in their reality you can sign an agreement with putin, he will follow this agreement well, well, this is absolutely

my way, in fact, the russians are very good now they are actually playing on the side of ukraine with their statements, so today uh, that means today, the representative of the federation council of the federation council said today, this is the upper chamber of the russian salon of the pseudo-parliament, so he said that uh, uh, the prerequisite for peace talks between russia and ukraine should be what - for ukraine to recognize russia's sovereignty not only over the zaporizhia, kharkiv , donetsk, luhansk regions and crimea, but also over the mykolaiv, odesa and kharkiv regions. after that, you can start negotiations between russia and ukraine well, i believe that these statements of russian senators should be disseminated as much as possible er as much as possible to measures to show what

we are actually talking about and the fact that the dams of the new kahovsky reservoir were blown up and other things and the shelling of the rescuers, uh, that means in the kherson region, this all shows that this is a terrorist regime, it cannot negotiate with them , it does not adhere to any conventions preserves agreements and dreams exclusively of the complete destruction of ukraine and the complete occupation of me, this is probably not the most difficult and strange question to you, mr. serhii. when you talk about people who are not friends with reality, i also analyzed everything, spoke to experts, and if they were so subtly hinting that these are people who need to be treated as members of totalitarian churches are treated, because you simply cannot reach them physically and it is such long-term medical

care for such people, just tear them away like these totalitarian churches who do nothing they see no reality, they don’t see they only see aliens, it’s not discussed anywhere in europe well, i don’t know tv programs to involve any doctors i’m not the kind of specialists who would explain, well, how do they treat in the insane asylum, you know no no no no no relying on the norm and relying on what, well, how many people sick sick people should not be shot and treated no no no no no followers of hitler, who believed that the sick should be exterminated, i simply do not know how to come up with a way to treat such people , there are no such opinions, or am i speaking politically incorrectly

i said that it really scares me a little bit, such comparisons and such proposals are scary. i would say that watching is uh. there are people who are not experts . they are experts in their uh . for these people, they mostly do not have any knowledge about russia, ukraine, and so they treat all these questions, uh, so they refer to their experience, which they have, and they believe that their experience is so important and so powerful that they can solve any world problems, but there are them the experience , for example, of the german civil society there , which fought against the militarization of some kind of confrontation there and achieved certain communications, which means a certain understanding in europe .

i can even imagine a military conflict there, not to mention a war between countries. they think that something like this should be proposed between ukraine and russia , because it already worked in our country. there were no questions, or let’s say they are focused on e, so the experience of germany after the second world war says well, what about the occupation, well, the occupation, well, the program war . well, we lost the war. ukrainians do not behave like an occupier on the right side of the war, our experience already shows that there is nothing wrong with this, at the same time, they completely ignore the fact that its occupation by germany, mainly of western germany, was a terrorist occupation on this of the nazi e-e authoritarian totalitarian regime by democratic countries, which means that democratization in ukraine was of little consequence, on the contrary, in ukraine, a democratic country is bought by terrorists on this e-e neo-nazi

totalitarian regime, so then, let's say that before they began to build friendly relations between paris and the term they also ignore the fact that parishes of berlin wanted lunch-2 on conditions of openness and respect for each other to build a peaceful europe russia does not want to build relations with ukraine on any equal basis simple i want to destroy ukraine to occupy, that is, the question of p. sergey, i'm sorry for the last question, but it's important for us literally a minute. but do you feel that sociologists say something about the fact that, for example , someone was convinced? well, we know that russian russian people born in the russian federation emigrated a lot to germany, and now they are just like these are putin , the fersteiners, the main people who understand russia

, we need to carry out negotiations , we need peace, and so on, someone among them has become convinced that this is the wrong policy, or how it was, the number of people about putin remains the same. well, something i was convinced that the negotiations were not working, but we remember that the minister of foreign affairs of germany was in trouble, we remember how she came to kyiv at the beginning of february 22nd and said that ukraine was not receiving any weapons because it meant going to germany separate responsibility before moscow and it is impossible for german weapons to kill russians, well, let's make sure. for this , it was simply necessary for the bucha to happen and people to pay with their blood, and it means that for that , mr. elena needs to travel for a day, or did you watch there and it is necessary that later there that it is six months as ambassador melnyk spoke, it means that he was offended by the liberal sausage and did not come to kyiv, but when he came there at the end of the summer, he came and saw that he was convinced that irpin had done anything to borodyanka kharkiv and

others things cannot be negotiated with them. that is, it works, that is, of course, there are people who cannot be saved by anything, but there are actually fewer of them, but the majority of germans are germans for supplying weapons to ukraine, that is, changes are really happening. another question is because they are happening as fast and as large-scale as we wanted. okay, thank you, serhii, an honest german political scientist, director of the initiative center for european sustainability. then we will immediately have advertising, and then ruslan havrylyuk, the head of the national ecological center of the republic of ukraine. on bionorm 10% in pharmacies podorozhnyk for you and save north macedonia ukraine on megogo will the long-awaited coach cope with the first

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situation is because when i read the ministry of health scares a mass epidemic of cholera eh ecological disaster eh epidemiology they say that all known pathogens will begin to mean there to multiply and so on and so on. i always divide it all by 38, but ruslan will tell me whether i am right or the ecologists who are sounding the alarm are right, but the main thing is the first main question, because some ecologists, some technologies say that it is not necessary to restore this hydroelectric power plant, we need to come up with something else. what is inherent in the 21st century ? and what is inherent in

the 22nd century ? without species says that it is not even before the 20th century, the 19th, some p yaroslav, thank you for the word, p mykola, good day, listeners, viewers , in fact, it is really the 19th century, what was built in soviet times, and really now , well, you can’t go back to those to those decisions that were well, almost 100 were adopted there years ago yes, the soviet government and the consequences of which we see, we understand that if there is a gun hanging on the wall, it will shoot sooner or later , well, this happened with the dam of the kakhov reservoir, and we can say that in ukraine we are lucky that this is the kakhov dam when there are no other beggars downstream of the dnieper dam, and if there were other dams there, it could be. well, the consequences would be even worse, and if it were not for 38 , it would be necessary to multiply or divide there, yes, it would be an order of magnitude higher, that is, the decision should be

different - this is clearly also the advantages that were in kakhovsky reservoir for irrigation for electricity for water transport for water supply e.e. they can be replaced with modern innovative solutions and the damage that we see well how and what did russian aggression bring us but also the foundation for which was laid in the 50th year of the last century the decision to build a second hydroelectric station on the dnieper, the second such a large node, now we have the consequences of this decision, ah, what, well, at the moment, we actually have only the beginning of the trouble brought by the destruction of reservoirs, what they say, the bridge, what

to say pedemologists, it can really play and to what extent it will manifest itself, only time will tell, now it is clear that we need to be careful, that you need to implement quarantine measures, and extraordinary control is needed. so , let's hope that all this will have the smallest consequences and see, but when it can recover, you understand here i i definitely look suspiciously at my journalist colleagues because when colleagues or technologists talk about something, well, the journalist likes to multiply i like to divide by 38 they don't multiply they don't they will take such a phrase as, for example, well, you know, nature will still regulate it, it is stronger than man, and well, yes, the first month , two, maybe six months, maybe a year, uh, and then everything will start to recover, then

the question arises: really, we will be in a year, if we will be ourselves behave correctly if we warn each other not to drink bad water not to catch the fish we are showing you now and so on and if you don't fry it then in a year it will decrease i for the audience not for you we for me my father understood something in ecology and he when was the chernobyl disaster he said in a year 2 3 4 i say well, as everyone says it is spreading and he says yes it is spreading but it is decreasing as it spreads if it is there in one point it is dangerous for everyone and when this point is smeared by 100 km per 200 per 300 per thousand , then it is already decreasing, decreasing, decreasing, and the whole situation, yes, somewhere nearby villages are probably quite bad , a little further, otherwise, a little further, differently, and so on, and so on and so on. ideally

, in a year we will already start to forget about it. if everything is fine, if they don't give something again, it won't explode from the russians from the russian supply, we'll already be in may june next year, somehow we won't mention it often, or is this a catastrophe, a catastrophe , a horror, well, what about the kahovsky sea, its draining, yes... of course, nature will take its course and the territory will recover. and if not in a year, then in a few years, well, the situation will stabilize. well, i am more than sure of this. if we still have access to this former water area, now that it has been drained , we can carry out certain measures there to help nature

to recover here, the question is more about the consequences for the economy, for irrigation, for water supply, for the safety of the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant in the end, and these risks that have now manifested themselves with the loss of the kakhov reservoir , they need urgent and some , let's say, non-standard solutions. i know that the president has already instructed to drill news so that to replace the water supply, that is, some things will be decided in the coming months, it is important. it will be difficult for the state, maybe it will require resources, but in the end, no matter how unfortunate it is in the situation with the kakhov hpp, but this tragedy finally drew the attention of the world community to the environmental consequences of war, and not for the first time. here in a year and a half, in 15 months , we see the readiness of our foreign partners, i don’t know international organizations , to help ukraine, everyone says that now we

will create the working group that we will calculate the consequences that we will help in ukraine well, for a year and a half we have been living in the same horror of a full-scale war and this is a horror for the environment, well, every day we have extraordinary problems, remember naphthos, yes remember the oil refinery in kremenchug, which was attacked more than once, electricity, these transformers of the power plant, and everything else, even the same hypermarkets as epicenter or others that were struck by the gorillas that released thousands of tons there of toxic substances in the environment has now finally attracted attention. i think that this is a good reason to focus this attention . i hope that the ministry of environmental protection will use this precedent in order to not only assess the consequences of the kakhova destruction

of the kakhova dam, but also to assess in general the consequences of war for the environment because they are usually large-scale and they will be these are the consequences that will manifest themselves for decades even to assess them we will need years and in order to control them in a certain way reduce and minimize their effects on even the population it will be necessary about a decade, but returning to the kakhovka hpp to the kakhovka hpp i apologize, i hope that this will push ukraine to new decisions , in fact ukraine is now in such an interesting situation when on the one hand we war is pressing, on the other hand, we have taken on european integration obligations and we want to open negotiations on ukraine's accession to the european union, and for this we need to respond to those politicians who are currently in

europe. and this is one of the key ones - it is the achievement of climate and of environmental neutrality, the so-called european green, look at another important question, look, i don't understand anything at all, like the majority of viewers. well, it doesn't matter what kind of reservoir it is - it's the dnipro. how it flows, it flowed like this 100 years ago and will continue to flow, i hope for a long time. then the question arises: how to do it and whether it is possible to do it with the latest technologies so that there are no such artificial seas .

such a small river that goes somewhere and very neatly, 100 times less, we did the same thing with a smaller amount of water, in general, such technologies exist in the world, why not spend billions of kilometers of water on all this irrigation is far there is no need to go. look at the danube. there is not a single channel reservoir on the danube, that is, there are solutions, they just have to be applied , yes, these are difficult solutions, primarily economic ones, moreover, i will say that the dnieper has been there for 100 years or a thousand years ago, the dnieper flowed for millions of years, the river has its own its history is blocked by dams. it is the last 90. well, yes, yes, 90 is a little more than us. that is, it is compared to the history of the river, which is a little under the influence of man. i am sure that this influence

is temporary and it is already needed prepare for the fact that it will be necessary to drain all the reservoirs and restore them. as you say, we are talking about the whole river, and by the way, for years . well, 10 years ago, even before the beginning of the russian invasion, there were already discussions about the fact that if the river is to be freed, then it should be freed from of the kakhovsky reservoir because it is the least contaminated by radionuclides precisely as a result of the chernobyl disaster that you have already mentioned , i.e. why do we need the dnipro now, this is important to understand in order to take water in the first place so that our the discharges to the dnipro are returned to the reservoirs to ensure this process. well, along the way, we also produce electricity if we find a solution that we will take less water, that we will not produce so much dirty water or that we will be able to purify it, there will be no need to discharge it into such reservoirs so that it is it was dissolved and diluted to safe

concentrations, then dnipro will be able to talk about the reincarnation of dnipro about its restoration . to speak cynically is absolutely nothing, i thought about it six months ago , uh, and thought about what i'm saying. our friends, the poles, are friends of the russians. e.e. production of electricity, including thermal power, metallurgy, and which cities in ukraine , from time to time, state matogenstva publishes a ranking of cities in ukraine by water consumption, and kyiv and mariupol are cities that are constantly competing for

the first place in this, that is, mariupol consumes how much exactly in odesa, how much does kyiv consume, for example, or not? is the city of dnipro an outdated economy, from which we could not tear ourselves away , and it determined the need for such hydroelectric plants, because we needed electricity and a water reservoir, because we