[000:00:00;00] analysis and forecasts politics and geopolitics sergey rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this people who have information and shape public opinion people who defend ukraine and create the future right now the main and interesting thing in the program is the verdict by sergey rudenko from june 5 on weekdays at 20:00 repeat at 12:10 a.m. good health, ladies and gentlemen, but you would simply like to ask what happened, that we are leaving so late because there was an alarm and we all gathered, first went down to the basement and got dressed because it is colder there than here, then they went back because there was a rebound, then they adjusted the equipment again, then stretched and then we see september, who is sitting and

muttering something, we will speak now pavlo sverdl, editor-in-chief of euroradio from belarus, mr. pavlo good health thank you for finding time for us, we really have such a delay here sorry it's not from us , it's scary, i understand everything, congratulations to the heroes. glory to the vitkatzaps from the muscovites, they just started something and we were hiding. no one has been released here except for them. see the first and important question of polkalinovsky and mrs. tykhanovskaya, the leader the formal or informal leader of the belarusian opposition said that they will start cooperation. in your opinion , what does this cooperation consist of ? могу казать

его можно белоруску you can speak in russian, belarusian is even nicer because we still understand each other, we are muscovites and ani does not understand belarus today ukrainians and somehow we will already agree on that well then in belarusian, because she is definitely in the heart, which means that the salt pan in belarus is the opposition. she is, uh, takaya navatu lich luxeche that here the protests were powerful. kalinovskogo, these are people who do more for everything now for the freedom of our region. i would say well, first of all, defend ukraine. and then from the perspective of the fact that they will go to belarus, and there is eh among these eh soldiers, officers, fighters. i think there is a great misunderstanding because i'm still working

it is also necessary. yes, tsikhanov’s self will come to brussels all the time , arguing with some politicians about what the natural village is talking about. and the second meaning of all this is that it seems to me that tsikhanouskaya has already given itself to all and sundry, that it is not a mother perspective for a peaceful protest. more belarusians. i would have forgotten that we were confused, we were laughing here that we were sitting on the bench in white socks. hello, that's not how revolutions are won. yes, that's not

how it happens. that's the end of the end of this myth . yes, that's what lukashenko achieved in three hours of repression. and tikhanovskaya and other representatives of the opposition, they no longer see any opportunities for victory for peaceful protests there, all for this purpose, they talked among themselves there . the formation of which and they are preparing in poland and lithuania, who are fighting today already in ukraine, but no one else has anything to do with it, it means that we must work together to support all of these people. i think that this is the main thing . i will say for the sake of general development that in the 1990s we had the first revolution on granite, when

students began to strike and there were individual people who displayed the slogan of the hero glory to ukraine glory to the heroes is so banderian and even the nationalists were afraid that the road in our country from the first days before it became the norm took place from the 1990s to 2014. well, belarus , i wish you to go through this road as soon as possible, realizing that there is no way out against people armed with flowers and not fighting. we must take up arms, this is the truth, second question the second question. and these are all military training , as you say, in poland, in lithuania, how powerful are they, how powerful is this force, how many belarusians are signing up there because we

just heard that the belarusian landing assault company appeared, that is, additional forces how much is there in general that there is a queue in front of the entrance somewhere how is it happening how realistic and serious is it well, what is kolevets doing to the belarusian kdb ? what is it definitely not worth? there are people who are not in ukraine at the moment, who are busy with other things. well , this is officially from lukashenko's cold, and i think that of course there are a lot more people . but you yourself understand that there are no names. nicknames are not on the list. there is none. well, the war, uh, today, kyryll budanov published

a video of the return, yes, from the comments, the plans love the price and fall into the war. he also likes silence. i think that belarus is more than that. g these training camps sent applications, what they gave out of these applications was not my business anymore, but in the summer there are not less than such people , there is a lot of training, this is a tactical action, medical training of a weapon handler, or so on, and after this training, people go to the dispensation of the armed forces of ukraine, because there are knee-jerk soldiers and other belarusians who are fighting. and now, as chvk wagner is on a contract with the devil, and i am an assicina, the soldiers who defend ukraine, and well, that's it. it 's clear, thank you very much

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, no matter what they talk about, war, war , and our victory is always the first place, only on espresso from monday to monday, completely different spheres of activity of people sports politics military analytics six presenters so again good health my name is mykola veresen ivan plachkov minister of fuel and energy of ukraine 1999 and 2005-6 chairman of the council of the union of the all-ukrainian energy assembly p ivan nice to see you thank you for responding to our request on sunday those more and the first question is the same good health and the first question can be difficult maybe no i don't know and how much has someone calculated how much does it cost to re-equip the re -re-re-re-re-renew the entire

energy system of ukraine because the question it from kakhovskaya, this is the history and many people, not only technology aerologists, say that it cannot be restored, it must be restored on completely different grounds, it should be done not in the year 54, but in 2000, there in the 30th year, so that it was already modern, so that it did everything correctly and so further and that's why you and then the question arises. maybe we need to redo all the nuclear ones, find some possibilities of hydroelectric power plants, thermal ones , build every five-tenths of wind turbines shorter, someone calculated how much it costs to simply redo the energy supply of ukraine, not not that on 21 century, and the second is even better for the 20th, mr. ivan, you have a word. well, there is absolutely no need to redo it so cardinally, as you asked

the question and such a practice, there is no education , energy is being restored, the anchors are being castrated, new capacities are being built at these are the powers that are working they they they they they are being reconstructed modernly and so on and that is why this is such a process uh, it is not long-term, but it should be a permanent permanent process. we cannot recover, recover at the same time from what we have and do not need and to build something new, as for kakhovskaya, it is not, and cannot be, impossible to restore and must be rebuilt, and it will be rebuilt, well, there it is, directly in kakhovskaya, it costs well, it will cost somewhere around a billion dollars, there is a billion euros, somewhere around this figure and i think that for

a period of 3-5 years, er, 5 years, this is massive, as it concerns the energy complex as a whole, which today is destroyed by 50-60% of the energy infrastructure, so we need to develop such a clear plan it is consistent that to begin with, we need to restore energy supply not only to the population, but also to ensure the economy of de-occupation , industrial enterprises will start working in us, and so on, there will be investors, and i think that this is the number one task from one e-e to restore these substations and three-e-e power transmission lines e-e energy infrastructure and already

consider the development as a whole i would not say there reconstruction or something like that complete re-equipment and the development of the electric power sector of ukraine he will e-e foresee indeed, the construction of new facilities. i think that it will also be nuclear facilities there, no exclusively, all this was two units at the khmelnytskyi nuclear power plant. we will build large facilities and small block modular reactors that have already been developed by the united states. with a small modular reactor and with their location on e -sites of power plants where e-e coal-fired boilers are operating today and so on

, we need such a clear plan, we need it to think through and consistently with financing well, i will tell you, for example, the connection of such companies as the pennsylvania powerline. modern nuclear power units work there, and this is how motoblocks that were built in the 40s and which have been reconstructed work. and they work on coal . the main thing is that this equipment works well. and reliable, so that it is economical , efficient, effective, this equipment . therefore, it will be a couple of the real stage for us to restore the electricity structure , well, it is not, well, not less than hundreds of billions

why, because we need a hydroelectric power station and the situation around the zaporozhye nuclear power station is so alarming , it is difficult to say in what condition it will be after the deoccupation . economy, but it should be borne in mind that today we consume half as much as we did for such and even earlier, until the 14th year, our capacity was 30, 35,000 mw, we need it. and now we have 12-15, can you imagine that we need to double the generation ? yes, as for renewable sources, there is the sun

and wind, yes, we will build them too. well i just want to remind everyone once again that solar wind power plants cannot do anything to the body, they are renewable, and if we build a 100 mw solar power plant , it should traditionally be an 80 mw power plant. we will do we won't do everything to turn off so correctly to turn off one more question ivan and one more very important question i just wrote down the number of professions that there are, only i wrote down here that there is an understanding somewhere in the cabinet of ministers somewhere in the verkhovna rada somewhere in the presidential administration that this complex is for about which i am saying to start, it is necessary to build hydrology, energy ecologists and regationists , who will know where the water should

go. what should be done, where, where, where, where, where, the drought , where it is not, that is, dozens of experts only on at the first stage, who will tell you, for example, we ecologists are against the energy sector, let's do this, you will negotiate with them, find some compromises, then some hydrologist will come and say that you are wrong, ecologically right , everyone will not come, because here we have to do so-so-so-so and then the third, fourth, fifth, 10th specialist will come and only after they all gather somewhere and talk will they give tasks to the assistants. that is, it will be weeks , months and years, but there is an understanding that ukraine needs this region, and we must think about it now, gather these people, consult, say what

better or worse conditionally, you are an energy specialist , you say we don’t buy from the french, we buy from the belgians . well, some equipment. er, it is not conducted to the extent necessary, and i think there are some corrective reasons for the government . no, to this and that office , and so on. more well, now uh, the ministry of energy is working on these consulting companies that uh, are developing such a strategy, well, in such a general group , in a general strategy, such a vision without uh, any specifics regarding what you said, uh, we also have potential in ukraine

it's incredible, you see, ukraine designed, built, installed equipment, adjusted and put into operation a nuclear power plant not only in the countries of eastern europe , finland, etc. regime well, they still exist and there is no hmmm, the situation is that we have already lost all of them, as far as the hydroelectric power plant is concerned, we have powerful designers, builders, and we have already we have already built the dniester hpp, it is the unique largest hydroaccumulating station in europe, and this is us, in recent years, this were building were being built in our place it's just excuse me, we were knocked out of our work if this one was in lviv

we had an alarm so everyone is downsizing mr. ivan , we will invite you next week we will definitely talk in more detail but we have to finish everyone who is waiting, we have to satisfy a waiting for us is dmytro nikonenko, a leading researcher of the department of protection of monuments of history, archeology and nature of the khortytsia national reserve, candidates of historical sciences , who will tell us that despite all the huge negatives from the kakhov e-e, this history with the kakhov e tragedy, let's call it a scanner, there is a small archaeological plus, but this will be only after advertising, do you have it in mind so advertising only on your oral orasept 20% pharmacies traveler you and save pain can

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flooded and we can only hope that the damage that will be inflicted will be minimal, but it is still a fact , but if we return to the entire area that is located above the dam, then this is the area where six e-e zaporizhia siches are waiting for us hundreds of archaeological sites from different times of the stone age and up to the late middle ages are waiting for us, this is the great kuchugury - this is a flooded city of the golden horde, second only to kafa on the territory of ukraine in its own time , that is, it is a huge challenge for us, because if a decision is made to restore it ah dams, we will have a lot of time in accordance with the huge number of monuments

to explore them as much as possible, well, look at the other side, i was once an archaeologist in my life, a restorer, in principle, like me then the senior comrades explained. they said that in general, in ukraine, wherever you don’t dig, you will find it, and then it’s just that there won’t be enough money in the whole world to dig up everything in ukraine to find what lies underground in different layers, and then there will be 150 louvres just scattered around about what happened 100 years ago 200 500 000 2 000 and so on how much do you believe in the possibility of financing your work how much do you believe in the possibility of attracting foreigners, whether or not there are already some negotiations going on for them to come foreigners, i will tell you that even in soviet times

in mezhyrich, i was there, even the americans and the french were digging, although no foreigners were ever allowed anywhere, the kgb followed them, but still, well , they were forced to invite foreigners, what prospects are possible here, of course order, a large number, but among them there are signs that are significant for our history, this is first of all zaporizhzhia sich, these are uh, sights worth exploring, we dreamed about it all the time that they were flooded in soviet times, uh, this part of history is was certain and was and now it will finally be possible to try to find this part of history through a large number of historical sources. they are still in russia, some of them have been destroyed , that is, apart from the archaeological monuments, which i hope we have waited for, there is nothing left in our access

of course, international expeditions are not a new trend in ukraine, and i am sure that if we wish enough , all this depends primarily on security conditions, because of course currently research there is impossible, although our archaeologists are already thinking about organizing the first such monitoring mission a-a immediately after most of the water recedes and it will be possible to leave and look initially at the state of the monuments and in fact the state of this territory, the lower parameters, the last question is simply there is no time , look, i recently met the specialists of the lviv art gallery and said, listen, you you have to start restitution processes , you just said that there are a lot of women in russia, we need

to return them, we need some kind of legal proceedings before historians and archeologists. archeological finds such and such and such and already to report lawyers, specific lawyers, not just lawyers who understand this and to apply to international courts and say that they stole there, let's return such thoughts are already appearing because it is necessary to do it, we must finally find our own history, archeology and so on and so on and so on, in fact , we know about a large number of monuments that are now located on the territory of russia, the monuments of our history that were taken away, and not only archeology, the monuments of history are various

sources and at one time there was a commission of scientists working at the institute of the history of the academy of sciences of ukraine who were involved in the return and they had certain successes . and that's why it's too early to talk about it at the moment, but we know where everything is stored, we 've seen it, and that's why we're just waiting for an opportunity . thank you, very beautiful, huge. and the nature of the khortytsia national reserve candidate of historical sciences we were just talking about restitution, i.e. the return of what russia stole not only during this war, but during the entire history of ukraine, russia stole