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the espresso tv channel for our informational broadcast with you vitaly portnikov and in contact with us is people's deputy of ukraine mykola knyazhytskyi congratulations mykol congratulations so now we will start with the relations that ukraine currently has or does not have with international organizations. is happening with the reaction of the un and can we really hope for a change in its attitude to the kakhovka tragedy? well, we have long been talking about the fact that the un is an ineffective mechanism for resolving international conflicts. the irony of fate is that it was precisely russia and china that started the war in ukraine, which started by russia, but from a silent, in fact, from a silent surrender, let's say yes to china, and it is obvious that in this

situation, they believed that the un is an ineffective mechanism. now we see that it is really not an effective attitude to the fact that it happened on the kakhovsky on the kakhovsky dam, it is paradoxical, it is obvious that this dam was under the control of the russians, which means that no one else except the russians could actually commit a terrorist attack there, and ukraine definitely does not need this terrorist attack in any way , it is obvious that russia tried to do everything in order to stop the ukrainian counteroffensive , which, as i understand it, is already underway and it is possible that ukraine's plans will be changed in some way in connection with the change in this landscape, but as all international observers say, this will in no way stop the ukrainian counteroffensive many people say that the russians were not interested in this because now they do not receive water in the crimea. well , let's remember that the water in the crimea in general went from the north crimean canal only after the start of a full-scale invasion, before that they somehow occupied the crimea and

there existed without ukrainian water, obviously ukrainian water allows the army of the aggressor country to live longer, the armed forces of the aggressor country, which they concentrate there, but nothing terrible will happen to them. therefore, this is a russian crime, but russian lobbyists and not only the russians and the representatives of other countries who in this situation are de facto yura will be on the side of russia. obviously, they are doing everything in order to put the russians on it . we see this in international politics, pope rome broke through when i sacrifice the attacker, they put the scales on one side and say let's listen to the two points of view of the victim of the attacker, the one who kills and the one who dies , maybe he kills, after all, he is right . unfortunately, in the world very often is managed exactly like this logically, for example, it hurts me to look at the reaction of international organizations, now there is a lot of talk about what ukraine can get at its own price, we have just discussed this with

our military experts david gendelman and this is an important topic because now many observers, especially in the west , fear the fact that nato's weak reaction to what is happening, ukraine's weak signal on this vilna region itself, the price may encourage vladimir putin to continue the war because he will be convinced of his impunity in excessive caution measures can we still somehow influence international public opinion in order to get the maximum opportunities from this, well, ukrainian organizations that are responsible for this should influence international public opinion , which sometimes win informationally. as a rule, this happens, and sometimes they lose, and we saw it with the undermining of this kakhovka dams where unfortunately, we were not able to achieve the result that we should have achieved, despite the fact that the situation is extremely clear, so i think we will influence public opinion in

such a short period of time, but the opinion of politicians and those countries that are members of nato. can we influence or be very effective in this influence? i don't know. obviously, the talks about ukraine receiving guarantees are very active . i believe that we will receive these guarantees . i also believe that we will become members. nato, when it will happen, tell me the composition. well, i have great doubts that we will have a big breakthrough at the vilna summit. our task is to influence that, after all, these guarantees and our nato members were directly voiced and this one started and not just voiced and so that it was not only said no i think that this will somehow affect russia, because it is obvious that the west is helping us, the weapons are helping us very actively , and a lot will depend on our counteroffensive. if we fail, we will lose to vilnius, then to washington next year, i definitely believe in it, i believe that there will be progress in vilnius certainly not the kind that you and i would like, because we perfectly understand that only guarantees from nato and

a member nato will stop the aggressor, but i think there are other ways of support and we will get them too . if we talk about what is happening today we heard a statement from a member of the council of the federation of federal assemblies of russia serhiy tsekalo, who represents the annexed crimea and is known for his long-standing ties with the russian political leadership, said that in the pre-occupation era when he headed the verkhovna rada of the autonomous of the republic of crimea , who said that negotiations can begin not simply now with the recognition of the so-called territorial realities, that is, with the recognition of the russian status of the occupied ukrainian regions and artcs, and with the fact that ukraine will agree voluntarily to transfer to russia mykolaiv odesa kharkiv oblast, on the one hand, it looks illusory. but maybe this

is moscow’s idea of ​​how the war should end if it can no longer destroy ukrainian statehood as such. well, i don’t think we should refer to chekov here , because zatulin who is no less known for his anti-ukrainian position and heads a whole committee of the state duma, he said completely different things about ukraine, and everyone quoted it, and obviously there in russia, a certain i wouldn’t say how they think is politically driven chaos that can turn into uncontrolled when everyone declares what they want, there are people who want to seem more radical than putin, such as bears or tsekov, there are people who want to show the west that there are also sober-minded people , such as, for example, zatulin, some of these people are now even prigozhina attributes utkin to commander wagner or some other influential people, and we simply see how these parties of chaos are forming in russia now, and

everyone declares something of his own, and then at this time he looks at the map that was brought to him by a member of the constitutional court of the russian federation on by the way, sanctions were imposed by volodymyr zelenskyi on these members of the constitutional court, a star who was once a sober thinking person and says, look at this map , there is no ukraine here, you know , ironically, i have such a map, and the original one was once given to me for my birthday, it is like this the ancient one there is the grand duchy of lithuania, i began to look at it, what is written there, exactly with russia, there is no, there is, there is muscovy, and rus is written there, where is lviv, because part of the lviv region is the great the principality of lithuania all the way to the falcon of the small homeland of my ancestors. this is the grand principality of lithuania, and then there was red russia, which was to the west of the grand duchy of lithuania, not at all to the east of the ukrainian tatar crimean khanate, which is very

large, half of russia. i.e. russia, it was muscovy, the crimean khanate was divided between them, and, and, russia itself. it was galicia in general, so what the church says is of no great importance. it is obvious that there is now chaos and this chaos. i think they have such a... the situation is deadlocked because the ukrainian offensive is going on and we are not talking about it right now. pay attention that someone joked that he gave the wisest speech and the most accurate about the thorn when he said that now it is not worth commenting on anything about it, he was joking, i saw it on facebook yes, it is true, we do not comment on it, but what the observers from the battlefield report is that the ukrainian army is making progress there and there is quite a large and quite serious advance in the direction of mariupol, we have already slightly moved to the third line of defense there at least the observers are writing about this and ours are silent and probably in this situation it is justified and obvious that the russians are writing something completely opposite but i think that now the fate of the future is decided first of all on

the battlefield and then we will see who and for what negotiations will be ready and say this you mentioned the sanctions against the judges of the constitutional court of the russian federation, but these judges, led by mr. valeriy zasteryn, made a big difference back in 2014 when they were making decisions on the constitutionality of the annexation of the autonomous republic of crimea and sevastopol to the russian federation violated all possible norms of international law and these obligations that the russian federation undertook by signing the relevant agreements with ukraine. i am not saying that they violated their own constitution and it took almost 9 years for these people to fall under our sanctions although in fact they should have been the first before the deputies of the state duma of russia even because if the constitutional court did not give its positive opinion on the proposal of the president

of the russian federation vladimir putin regarding the annexation of crimea and sevastopol, this annexation could not happen, it is true from the other side, well, in this sanctions list , i, for example, are also citizens of ukraine, but i am absolutely convinced that citizens of ukraine should be tried and if in that case, if you have not violated the law, punish severely and not in it is not a legal way to introduce sanctions, you can introduce sanctions, but still they must be tried and punished, and not just get by with sanctions, and for the citizens of russia and ukrainian sanctions, uh, they do not play such a big role for us, it is much more important to synchronize our sanctions list with the american one, because we have many of our citizens who have long been on the american and european sanctions lists, but not on ours , we will not name the names of those whom everyone knows. and our government refuses to synchronize the fact that there were sanctions against members of the constitutional court, this is positive, but it is more of a political step , for example, sanctions against me in the russian federation. it seems to me that in the 16th year, as against

many other deputies and politicians you, as far as i remember our what you say i say but earlier yes, i think that we do not pay much attention to it and the members of the permanent court will not pay much attention to ukrainian sanctions either. but if these ukrainian sanctions become a reason for western water sanctions it would be on them and on their family members it would be very important positively and it seems to me that some members of the constitutional court of russia already have some western sanctions, it seems that they are already suffering from them, well, god forbid, it seems to me that we should have simply to synchronize our sanctions against the citizens of the russian federation with western sanctions and to have a unified approach to ukrainian sanctions against ukrainian citizens. i am against them in general because from my point of view it is unconstitutional because people go on their own and continue to speak in

parliament and pursue your policy , which is not always pro-ukrainian and ukrainian sanctions do not have er or vice versa and of course this synchronization of sanctions seems to me to be very important in principle. will synchronize its sanctions with western sanctions, on the contrary, the west will listen to the sanctions of ukraine. how is it really possible to synchronize, at least from the ukrainian side? well, there are individuals, big entrepreneurs, businessmen . i just don't want to name them selectively so that it doesn't look like i want to mix with one of them accounts there are many people there, and i am absolutely convinced that all these people who are sanctioned by the united states of america, canada, great britain and the european union should be on the ukrainian sanctions list, and not to continue to conduct political and commercial activities in ukraine for me, this is it, if we don't do this, it means that, well

, we allow someone to break the laws and do anti-democratic things, and for someone we make an exception, obviously in the west it is not perceived very well if we say about our integration into the european union and nato, obviously, we see how difficult this idea is, how much resistance there is to it, and that is why our responsibility is precisely to ensure that our policy fully corresponds to the policies of our allies, who support us in this war. and we now have the opportunity to somehow act on the legislative demand for european and euro-atlantic standards in our legislation. is this still the work after the war, not during the war? even before the new year, we have to fulfill all the regulations that apply to our candidacy , we did not do it, we were extended the deadline until the summer , i think that they will extend it again later.

which requires them to be implemented now er, well, we are now adopting laws there about the pension court, we are trying to implement them, i believe that we will, but we are delaying this process because the resistance to openness er and the european principle , unfortunately, we have quite a lot if we talk about that how should the state act today in military situations precisely from the point of view of maintaining the balance between security and democracy , where do you see that there are some distortions of the balance , there may be some need to pay attention to this right now. i don't see any contradictions here you understand. if our eggs should not be 17 and purchased through a transparent system, they have now begun to do this. and this is positive, considering that this war does not affect the defense capability in any way. it affects when they are twice or 10 times more expensive than the norm when in

our officials are appointed in peaceful non-competition regions. and at the will of one or another minister. obviously, this is a complete disgrace and it has nothing to do with war. about the fact that restrictions on freedom of speech are possible where there is a military expediency for this we should not, i don't know, shoot missiles there, the work of our air defense, talk about our offensive , release military secrets, of course, these restrictions must necessarily be but if we are talking about corruption, if we are talking about openness, if we are talking about competitive appointments, if we are talking about transparent spending of state funds, then war requires even greater responsibility and openness. and we, on the contrary, limit it here as well i think there is. if we talk about the extent to which the verkhovna rada listens to the military and listens to their families, then this decision regarding vacations

for the military, to what extent it can now be justified from the point of view of the fact that offensive actions are taking place, what is wrong just to hold a new mobilization, etc., representatives of our faction, in particular, people 's deputy goncharenko, this but our meetings are closed now, they do not show it, and he also took a very cunning and smart tactic . that they support it, that is, consultations were held with the military, if the military said that they were against, obviously no one would rely on it, and the military said that they support it well, it is obvious to the people themselves who do not have a rotation in which they have very short vacations because they are thrown directly again to the front after a short vacation, they simply get tired and the soldiers asked for it and the generals were against it, the ukrainian military leadership had nothing against it, but the verkhovna rada

blocked it only because it was initiated in to another draft law, a deputy from the opposition, in this case, from european solidarity, and er, then oleksiy was putting his amendments to another necessary draft law all day yesterday, a certificate for confirmation , demanding to vote for each amendment, this draft bill was not bad, therefore he himself and our entire faction are in favor of it voted on the amendments, but it dragged on for a very long time and they could not pass the majority of the laws they wanted. and then our faction made a demand that you should take at least this part that concerns vacations to be considered by the committee b the same day and in fact right on the day of this vote, the committee considered it, they submitted a separate project signed by the way goncharenko tretyakov from the head of the profile committee from the majority of his people , thus it was a project that united the entire hall and in this way it succeeded to reach and you the government did not want to put this only because the opposition proposed and this is a very big mistake because when we talk about the military and the army to bring these political

contradictions here, the opposition proposed that we will not give vacations to the military. this is completely absurd, but it is very good that the government itself realized this and they offered to review it, quickly consider it, reached a consensus and moved it from its place. so this is very positive. let's continue our conversation now with our next esteemed guest. this is igoreidman , a russian sociologist, political expert and publicist. good evening. good evening . well, let's start with the congress of people's deputies. principe, it is remarkable that this is already the third congress, as far as its decisions can be called realistic from the point of view of the political situation in russia

, well, i don't want to offend you. other similar events that are very real, they take place in a certain world of their own. yes, in a certain world, it means in the world of illusions, what is called life, real life, the war is harsh, what kind of struggle is it? for life, for us, this is all happening in another perfect world . yes , that is , they. but there is no practical influence on the bypass give us life on the war there, i don’t know on any processes, real political, it doesn’t have any, but it seems to me that there is no personally in principle . russian federation yes how much they are important for russia, by the way, for the stability of putin's regime. do they really affect this

stability in one way or another? i think that they do not have much of an effect, let's say that actions in this direction cannot affect the stability of the regime, but for and what kind of volume the amount of these actions should go into a new quality yes that is, at such a level as at which it is happening now indeed, it distracts the russian armed forces, they take them there or the exiles, who then it is possible to change the ukrainians , they are some real ones, even destroying the equipment and away away that is, i am no different from these endless congresses held by moderate russian liberals and pool radicals that's how the last world is actually operating armed and formed by russians in this war they are certainly in this world in the world of reality they are in the world of illusions not in the world of utopia so that means

undoubtedly yes, but they have some kind of radical influence on the situation, of course , they also cannot appear simply due to their locality, yes, they are simple . for now, it is still quite local if the process goes . advertised in the belgorod region of the popular united formation of russian citizens or more to russians who are fighting on the side of ukraine. the number of volunteers is increasing . and because of these situations in russia, i i think it will be stabilized in the near future, that is, the process may become more active, and indeed they may be able to play some role in finally burying putin's criminal regime here, but for now, as i already said, that 's all he said that local things. - these are the signs of defeat within the elite

, which are often talked about , in fact, the governors are not in agreement, they are tired of putin, they are not tired. against putin and who should go, by the way, the russian elite no, well, what is the main conflict in russian lithuania, which is on the surface and a very dangerous conflict. it just develops , what is sometimes called a pit, well, you understand what you said, such a conflict is beautiful and from one country, and with on the other hand, not only the ministry of defense, but with the obviousness of the kremlin of the presidential administration, because now, for example , i will soak not just the ministry of defense . the reality of it is that the presidential administration is doing such things now to deal with the extension of those last decisions, what is the meaning of everything, man? they have to conclude a contract with the ministry of defense by the first of july, no more, no less, as you know. it seems to us that only the oil dude in prigozhysk

has had such a practice for a long time, for example, according to aksenov dude, there are no povy, as she calls it, scanvoy . clearly, with the permission of the kremlin, the post office is called their fortress, they want to return them back. yes, when the leather is concise, the mature ones are sent deeply, unambiguously, longer, it was sent from one side and the other side, and then after july 1, it’s all wagner’s eyes, it becomes some people, people are introduced the law and some kind of armed ekopat , which is also a weapon, does not have the right to wear it without concluding a contract with the ministry of defense . very nice, by the way, it was funny today, he commented from luka that he was offered some government posts, but he doesn’t want to, he doesn’t want to integrate into the system, the power can be, it was

the last request of the presidential administration , how do you solve these problems peacefully, when each one is simple, how is it not he often likes, that is, like a project for promotion, but in reality you are playing so that he is there about here - he raked on these must-haves and following, i think there will be something simple to crush the game of which he will either destroy or that means to look at the cage according to the exchange gave and against him enough was moving and to come to him simply eh means to surround and need to come out without weapons and further means a contract or podsutyy children you know it is natural that they will give it. i think that the damage will develop like i wrote. and this is likely. yes, it is surrender, but in general, in the sense of military training and motivation, they are. i think i can give surrender.

the ministries of defense can for a time simply real is already a confrontation, really such a mini civil war so that only this story that we wrote it already demonstrates that the russian regime is on the verge of a split, and what about a serious player , a razvyachego force clash. and you do not allow that in fact this will happen the first yulia and everything will remain. as it was , wagner will be left with such an organization of putin's bandits who will obey putin, and the ministry of defense will not stand up. putin will arrange this completely. how unblocked by the military in general, putin always liked it when his pleurisy fell apart with each other and putin knows how a thief in law he spends such a student, that is , he made all these shards quarrels . what can be done about it? everything can be normal. the police state is different from the special services

. go to the conditions of a serious, large-scale war , an impossible internal war , contradicting such a level, such a similar, all such tension between the warring parts of one of the old ones. the defense of some tymoshenko or something lied well, it's simple elementary, they would have shot the sharks just so easily so that they wouldn't fall apart like that during the war so that it's all absolutely normal and it's normal an abnormal situation cannot continue indefinitely, it must end in one of two ways, or simply, a foreigner will be killed, his troops will be sent to the russian army, or a civil war will begin between the central committee of the communist party and the russian army, with the possibility of switching sides in each

case. i don’t include the hotel at all because it’s nice to pay more, i would like to remind you that if wagner is destroyed, it means undermining all of russia’s global positions because the wagner organization knows this global influence, if it destroys two incendiary actions, take it with you. and what to do with them in mali ? and what to do with them in south sudan ? they wash and share with putin. i think the implementation is generous and destroy . this is one of the reasons that they have no task even in the ministry of defense. iz pod pohoroshenno to take the dude wagner to himself is attractive because the decoration obviously became unmanageable, not the agreement, the decline of super such people in putin's nomenclature is not eti and what is napiluriuet to the population, this is

also an obvious violation of the rules of the game , dangerous naobshenie game. we were told that means uh , as a result, they, as i already said, that's why they want to force the guy vactor to conclude a contract with the natural defense and in this way they will get uh the control lever of the whole situations and when everyone wants to push somewhere to the left, is it visible or in the state government consad says and if it doesn't work, i think that it's just in the ditch, so that's why this task is that they are contradictory , they have their own there, i think about towels from which courts they will be driving the wagnerian minions in the central african republic, but for some reason they wanted to do it in a private way with the help of the game. why did you need to have these mercenaries, bandits, they are cadres of russian

wars ? there are murderers, bandits, but at the same time, it is less effective and, of course, he organized a business, a business on the edge, as he himself says, cunt 15 mette means in africa, yes bloody diamonds, etc. you know the business, converse is a beautiful hallway, the pony is only a criminal, but he also has a cone, can you see? here is the force that they used to take away from the competition. the business started. conor must know his cow, fatten his business. the business opens up , it has been like this since the 90s, so i think that gozhen , when gozhen had already eaten too much, remained fat and arrogant, the main one, arrogant, he began to throw them through one place, this is frankly that