[000:00:00;00] when everyone turned out, you know how he likes to talk about stalin, different russian historians are an effective manager, that is , a dead-end bandit, but at the same time, he is less effective and certainly they organized a business business on the edge of vika konsa means in africa yes blood diamonds and in short why now how do the security forces like don't take it away from the business, you know the commissar 's entrance hall with each one there will be only the criminal of the main competition, it's obvious that they are law enforcement officers who are used to taking away the beginning of the business from the competition, conor must, you know your cow fatten his business here, he gave more milk, more money, and then he comes, that means the powerhouse is like that, that means the pinkie, and this business selects the cow, it’s been like that since the 90s , so i think that she went and the gochen, the gochen had already fattened up too much, the fat and impudent chief remained impudent, he became them to throw over one place is frankly, they don't like it

either, what with china's appearance in the leadership of the ministry of defense, he thereby also throws the chief minister why ? he approved us, he started pa-ha , that is, he began to violate the rules of the game that exist there, and that is why they must destroy him. the ego fields need to be deleted show the red card and delete more likely to be on that world thank you igoryaet mes russian sociologist political expert publicist and we will be back on the air literally in a few minutes stay with us how many minutes are left

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a guest of the studio , vlad kakao, mr. artist, graphic artist, painter, performer, author of famous art projects, i welcome you to our studio. good evening . war, but you know the beginning of the war. at first, i don't know if they talked about it with you. you once said in one of your interviews that you saw him. did i read that you were brought to lviv as a child and you fell in love? i think i was 5 years old. i was just brought. my mother moved me. because she had the right to come here only on vacation, because there was a law prohibiting germans from moving and ukrainians , well, everyone who was deported to siberia.

they had the right to settle where they were told, that is, they moved to karaganda, and you were born there, i was born there, and my mother only went to lviv. well, only vacations to the family, because she did not have the right to live there, i remember the karaganda times let's say maybe zhovnyi didn't live then. this is such a typical soviet city. yes, it's just in the 38th year. it's such a typical soviet city. well, there was no entertainment there . the cosmodrome was not far from there, so you could watch those arrivals and departures at night. it was so much fun. for everyone, or have you felt karaganda as your hometown, do you have any connection at all with this particular space ? well, now is an internal

moment. the distribution of germans, ukrainians, tatars, belarusians, that is, everyone lived their own lives like that, if there were 10 ukrainians in our class with their friends , well, from western ukraine, and they somehow communicated with each other, it is clear that i was brought up as a soviet child, and for a long time my mother was afraid to even tell me how she ended up there because it is a difficult story . and then, when i already arrived in lviv , they started teaching me little by little. when i came to study in lviv, they enrolled me in an art school there, and i stayed to work there, and i, well, you can study it was because if i didn’t go there for permanent residence , and then i already tried

to settle there with all kinds of truths and lies, it’s such a whole epic, it’s difficult, long and time-consuming to try to register there, it’s generally possible to write whole things there in lviv, first you have to try to register somewhere on on the outskirts of the region in some flooded village and is gradually getting closer, you are getting involved, you are getting involved to stay here, well , i got married in an effective marriage in order to register in lviv because it was beneficial to me and the person i married because she had the right to take leave because after graduating from the university in lviv, they were immediately sent somewhere to live with an uncle for some time there , you had to work honestly for a couple of years. it was clear that no one wanted to go anywhere, and marriage gave the right

to remain in the body. the soviet system . bypassing those er -er senseless, well, in our opinion, senseless for the system. obviously , it was a very comfortable system to hold everyone together in her hands, here i am for the first time because my mother had the right to come to a vacation to lviv well, because she just had a vacation, she worked at a brickyard, not a brickyard, in karaganda, near karaganda, there is a town as small as a basin, and she took me with her to lviv. when i first came to lviv, i immediately understood that i was mine the city that i have to live here because i was simply enchanted . it was such a contrast for the contrast of karaganda to lviv, and this is how i was. it was just a shock for me. i thought that i had fallen into some

fairy tale or somewhere else, it was something so incredible and i then realized what i had here i have to live here. well , that’s it . when did your mother already tell you about this whole family situation? they told me little by little, they introduced me to the fact that not everything is as it is now, how can we talk not everything is so clear-cut, your mother was from here, she was well, she is galician, she is from sambor, they married my dad in krasnoyarsk, they also entertained the germans there she

was such a german autonomy with the city of engels necessarily in the place where it is a famous airfield, they were there after they were arrested, they practiced after serving the term, because they did not have the right to return to the motherland, they were sent to the so-called free settlements, this is in karli, this is in karli. it was such a continuous territory of free settlement and they lived there in that karaganda, well, in the suburbs, i was born there, my brother was born there, and then until the year 74, in the year 74, i went to lviv to study at the trusha school, this is an art school, because i studied at an art school in karaganda and anton markovych is such a teacher, he was from an art school. he was obviously also a westerner from western ukraine and told me that

you should go to study in lviv. he sent all our boys from karaganda to study in lviv. such a whole group of us was there, well, in different uh, in at different times they came and went each differently so there and i gradually gradually gradually understood this story in fact what happened like this and so on here. well, to this day, it was possible to preserve the quality of the conditions of the cultural tradition in this situation so you grew up in a russian-speaking environment . your mother could speak ukrainian. there were also many ukrainians from western ukraine. there were a lot of

ukrainians and they spoke . soviet times, and i, too, when i arrived in lviv, when i entered the trush school, i was very surprised at the care with which they treated any well, as always, it was not so important well, where are you going from kazakhstan to send well maybe i’m on mars, even there but you could freely afford to get married there in a church that could be the only one there in the whole of kazakhstan well, i say conditionally, it was considered entertainment . somehow, with such closed eyes, it was possible to write out plates from those stations. by the way , when you mentioned your classmates, you

showed me that i did not remember them. there were not many of them . there were 30% cossacks in general in kazakhstan, 25% are russians and 10 percent are ukrainians . that is, it was the largest group, then there were already tatars, belarusians, armenians, georgians. well, there was a solid internet there. well, absolutely like that. well, the problem was the same with the cossack language, of course they taught it. there was one year in my opinion in the fifth grade, and then it was canceled in essence in kazakhstan official kazakh public schools with the kazakh language were not taught at all, there was only the entire karaganda karaganda in terms of population, then it was approximately

the same as lviv, that is, a fairly large city as for kazakhstan, because the population there was small and there were two boarding schools with the teaching of the kazakh language in karaganda, in general schools , the kazakh language was taught for one year, that is, in the fifth or sixth grade, i don't remember , then there was some started of course well, i think artificially arranged social protests, why do we need the kazakh language? we live in the soviet union, so the cossacks are not very good at the time. although they were quite persistent, and then i lived in karaganda, and karaganda and almaty , there is a very big difference, after all, in even the awareness of the kazakhs themselves or from the identification themselves, in essence, the karandation was a collection of all those who did not have the right to return to

their homeland after siberia. and here they settled there, settled down. it was such a solid , solid internet, there was a timber log, there was a magnet, there were metal, in general, there were more germans there. it seems that there were a lot of germans in the entire theater, well, mainly these. so the national minorities after the russians were germans and ukrainians. so there were them in well, when already in the 91st year, when the collapse took place, the germans left almost all of karaganda, and 30 percent ukrainians remained in kazakhstan, that is, they didn't, well, they mostly left the west bank there, although they were mostly there , yes, you sent them there, that's the story, well , you talked about being taught that i'm a coward, so you entered , you can say that there too, but you said that there's nothing here they were afraid of another one there, they were afraid when you were studying, you were also afraid of the very understanding of what ukrainian painting

is. what did it look like in general? well, i came to lviv in 1974, that 's when the repressive action took place just a little bit. they started to plant there, in my opinion, in 1972, when they started to plant all the kalynians there, eh, and the whole story with the planting , they really, really started there, as if eh, there were rumors spreading that they had covered some kind of underground in the university there anti-soviet organizations were mainly from lviv universities, about five thousand students were expelled, who were accused of doing a lot of anti-soviet activities, and that's it . well, they were totally

intimidated there. because when i arrived in 1974 to lviv, everything was so panicked there, god forbid, i had such a blouse, such a dark, dark blue, with such, well , dark yellow, such sleeves, then the director of the school called me and told me to put on more body, so that i would not be in that blouse i didn't go to school anymore. and i couldn't understand what he wanted from me. well, on to the series , but in fact, and then they explained that the idiot is the same yellow and blue, i sleep on a yellow and blue beehive and that's it. they were afraid of everything . god forbid, then no. god forbid, god forbid, that's it the same thing ended as it began, because in the fourth year of the school, we started making roommates, where writers

, musicians, artists gathered, and of course there was someone who passed us in, and they told us that you guys know that none of you will pass. to the art institute , dear to you, it was a whole series, when every morning black volga came from kerbe, they all studied, they all stayed , looking at the yard in fear, this curator came out, he said , he came to the director, the director called one of the guys who were in those apartment buildings and were taken to kg, well, there they talked, talked about the reasons, they told you literally everything you talked about. well, there literally there to the word there well, i was amazed. the first time i was seriously amazed

at how much it was seriously, well, this is on the level of such anecdotes, because we remember. we used to meet there, er, like mykola , well, everyone knows mykola rybchuk, he is such a wonderful literary critic, and he was still writing poetry at the time, we used to meet at his apartment. he always picked up the phone , opened the refrigerator, put the phone in everyone talked about refrigerators, tracts of land, everything is fine with us, well, there was a ritual of hiding the phone in the cold, well, it didn’t really save , and there were such artistic debates , writers brought their works, artists brought their animals, and musicians played something there, and it was all so riotous of course, with

a gigantic amount of alcohol, it was discussed and absorbed, and one fine day , uh, they started calling, well, the argument was simple. well, that's what i did so that the komsomol spoke about it again, he would have helped you organize those discussions, organize discussions, it should all be public . and well, the wreck of such a one was so shiny. well, we were so well beaten. well, the children at that time , well, where is the 15-year-old there? the boys were 15 years old. well, where are they bringing him to the kgb, well, imagine his condition, it's terrible, it's hard for me to remember it now, your idiocy is so complete, but fear, uh, it's a feeling of fear from that time, i still remember it's really such an animal fear

of you they take you to the kgb and you are taken to that yard and you don't know what will happen next, maybe kazakhstan saved you from the point of view that you first lived there for 15 years without such a feeling and it's a headache from an artistic point of view, you know that the freedom of the artist in the psyche is of great importance. well, probably later after all, i don't even know how to explain it, i wanted to. well, first of all, we had a normal connection to the west of lviv, it was , in fact, then there really was a transitional bridge from from the west to the east because everything that appeared the newest in europe there and starting from musical instruments, everything went through lviv and to moscow, that is, it went one way or another . this stream and river that went to moscow still sometimes carried to lviv. lviv, i

really believe then it was the capital of culture, but during soviet times, lviv really was is the capital of culture because we read magazines, we had knowledge of the polish language as a matter of course because everyone knew the polish language at the level of everyday life magazines because the difference between us and poland was that in poland, too , it would not be possible to shoot only in you are not from poland i would have been punished for that, they told you atata but you do your own thing. and we didn't just hang out, we could sit down for it, and that was the big difference, but we had free access to the polish art press, to the publications of solid e-e magazines and it was tried there differently than in the soviet union. it was significantly different. and we were already brought up as artists not on socialist realism, asocialism was

an eternal hochma for us. two life, one in the house, the other on the street, that's a double life. double life - of course, you had to be able to adapt , well, that's how it was, well, until a certain moment when we were betrayed. well, we later found out after 20 years who betrayed us. of course, he was a respectable person. one of the musicians who was at those, then we found out that he was already there, someone called in the kgb well, i think that he probably stayed in the sbu afterwards, i don't even doubt

it. day, but now we can still talk about the fact that, in principle, independence is something we can only start talking about now, because in my opinion, more than one decade must pass before we really reach the level of self-awareness, because anyway, well, i think that we it is too early to talk about independence, although i really want to, well, the independence of this civil or state independence, civil independence as it seems to exist, it does not exist and everyone interprets it in their own way, the person in poltava thinks the same thing as in krypnytskyi the second in lviv, the third in khmelnytskyi, the fourth in uzhhorod, 25 uzhhorod hall there. it is a very complex and difficult system. and how to learn to speak to everyone in the same language, not in the sense of the language as a literary language, awareness

of statehood, because ukraine has been like this for 30 years. well, at least until at the beginning of the war, it was such a training ground for settlement of their affairs in different worlds, which, let's say, did not succeed in moscow. well, they did it in lviv or somewhere else in different republics or in almaty or eh, that is, the mentality of eh well, she's a sovkova after all the pity has not yet aired out and then we are not ready to this day the car is ready to be in a free country because volya is a terrible responsibility.

waving at this, it was born in ukraine in regions such as galicia, this did not happen even during the liberation struggles, this is a phenomenon of central ukraine, it is, well, but i am talking , i am trying to talk about the whole of ukraine, because now, more than ever, i would like to divide it is there, although it was done artificially all the time, divided into east and west, the west, well, first of all, how much is there, 30 years less than the corresponding sovka, it did not have time to wash the brain of a westerner for 200 or 300 years less than russia, so actually then the colossal school is simply a phenomenal school of the liberation struggle, it’s my opinion, even i know that many people in the world took an example from our underground structures and the liberation movement there. i think that we have a fantastic

history, and we should be proud of that. here is a difficult option when i think what you think what can we do now? we can try to talk about some kind of independence, maybe it has to be carved out, that the war can change people for the better, well, at least this will be the first step , because even before the change for the better is still a long way off, we have a lot of things on our minds in the 30 years of conditionally independent ukraine what is that? well, we are playing with independence as a country, that is, people who have realized for themselves there independence or belonging to a nation or to

statehood. well, they understand it that way because well, what can we say about that? vyshyvantsi this does not mean that you are independent, you can go to vyshyvantsi, it was possible to go to vyshyvantsi even in soviet times , depending on how you talk about it and self-awareness that it is not ritualism but, uh, in the internal demand, demand for conviction, internal convictions, so uh- well, i don't like it when they start talking about some national idea. we don't have national ideas. we have a national idea. well , it seems to me that this is a somewhat speculative topic , because a national idea is when you perceive yourself as someone. that's the whole national idea. i'm german i'm ukrainian i'm jewish i believe that's all , it's enough to realize