[000:00:00;00] they already understand the wall because, well, what can we talk about, well, you go to vyshyvants . this does not mean that you are independent, you can go to vyshyvants, you could also go to vyshyvants in soviet times, depending on how you process. and self-awareness that it is not aa ritualism, internal demand, demand for convictions, internal convictions, i don't like it when they start talking about some national idea, we don't have national ideas, we have a national idea. well, it seems to me that this is a somewhat speculative topic, because the national idea when you realize yourself as someone. that's the whole national idea. i'm german. i'm ukrainian. i'm jewish. i believe. that's all. it's enough to be aware of this . let's go and

solve the issue of the national idea of ​​the materials for you. ethnicity has been armenianized. you can be in armenia, you can be in russia. you can be in ukraine and you become the bearer of a different state idea, of course i am talking about ukraine as a state because the awareness of ukrainianness in canada or america of ukrainians may be much stronger than there in toronto than in luhansk , but this does not mean that it is about the state on i'm sorry, it's not the case, i'm right there, i don't know if you remember. in 1991, hmm , a river like this literally flowed into ukraine from america . suddenly, everyone knew their relatives as usual . because no one there pretended to be a nobody

there is no, it turns out that everything is, and it poured here and many were disappointed, disappointed, first of all, because for some reason they decided that they knew how to build ukraine . it turns out that for 98% of them, no one knew how to build it, i don’t just need reasons it was necessary to start from somewhere well, to begin with, we had to rake up the shit. they didn't rake up the shit. and now, it still stinks, you see. well, they had fun, they had fun there at the beginning of 1991. i played with the economy and then as a result either ran out of money or got bored, they went back to canada or america and disappointed there they said that they don't understand anything, they don't want to or they don't know how and it's not at all

clear what is happening there, that is, everything as a rule, 80% of them disappeared. well, although they turned out to be very powerful and thanks to them, it was possible to do something, well, those who realized what it was, how many people there were who wanted to do something there until the end. bohdana savchuk bohdan says nataliya yaresko then when and that it's a question of responsibility, that's it, and it's about 10% of that shaft, which, uh, from that river that went from america and europe to ukraine. they were mostly disappointed . but secondly, it seems to me that they just didn't know how to do it because one thing to manage or advise from afar without knowing all the stench in which it all ended up, how is it all to rip off those audio stables ? well, to injure patience, the desire for conviction, but in most cases they were disappointed that this is that it is impossible this is the most important thing in their lives to me so so so so why

what is needed here is not that it takes a couple of generations for it to weather out well, a lot of things have to weather out and then we are mentally used to it, we continue to live in the same way we were born, eh, well, how not to be crazy, eh , you behave like this here, you cross the border and any bull from ukraine there on some er audi road car that here he can spit in the er in the face and send him or stick to him there a doorman over there. because he knows that he won't buy anyone there, so you answer this question yourself, what can be introduced here, the rule of the civilized world , this is the national idea that allows you to build a normal state, the idea is not in

who you perceive yourself to be in terms of the nation, but in system and which carries with it a great deal of responsibility. freedom is a terrible responsibility , and dependence turns out. freedom is not anarchy. in our country, freedom is often confused with narcotics. they did not feel that they should somehow build their own, there were many such opinions not only about ukrainians, roman dumovskyi thought so about the poles, he believed that they would not be able to build their own state because they had lived for a long time among other founders of israel they were not sure if they were still jews and would be able to build their own state because they always somehow tried to bypass other states. they definitely did not feel responsible for them. well, ukrainians may have found themselves in a similar situation. for this, it may really take thirty years. well, i think that it is only now. there is a process of realization and how bitter it is. and the war hmm helps

to realize this, unfortunately it is a very terrible and bitter experience but maybe it is inevitable maybe it has to be like this i don't know how you can convince people with all that even now this this and this is already a separate conversation, this is the syndrome of getting used to war, this scares me a lot because they are there in several projects, i implement the idea of ​​getting used to the syndrome and i really don't like it, but it turns out that a person can get used to war and it started to scare me in the 14th year, when it happened like that, let's say in a similar format, now it's been more than a year of war and people have already started to get used to it. look at lviv, uh, when the alarm sounds and what it looks like, it's such a surrealism that you won't see anywhere else. in the very center

of lviv, loudspeakers that are apart from what is going on the sound signal is still there, the text accompaniment is there for the sake of what needs to be done, and so on, and in spite of everything there, everything works there, and the clock is the best , people go there, take pictures, have fun accompanied by anxiety well, how did sarajevo live during that time ? let's say in beirut during this whole civil war, he lived like that and he lived on one street, they are shooting on another, weddings are held well, maybe you need war by war war by war to dig a garden where ukrainians are surprised by this and how can this be, what is life going on here and there are people they die, and it's always been like that in history, well, after all, there is berthold brecht, the mother is described in short terms in all world literature, too . well, in this case, it's not that, but the syndrome that scares me. well, i don't know, maybe he doesn't know what this

condition is called, well, the syndrome of getting used to war it is not scary in the sense that the moment of concentration of attention disappears, or can you get tired of waiting for it all to end and come to some wrong decisions, for example, how does a war have to end with something? someday, someday, i think that if it is long, the longer it will be, the longer we will wait for the end, the more unexpected the end may be . and it is not in our favor, that is what i am very afraid of, and this is the danger that we constantly warn our western friends about, that this is not a long war not to the advantage, it is to the detriment of our western friends, this is exactly the question. well, although it is very responsible, i am afraid for our people that we may get tired of

waiting and agree to very uncomfortable conditions, and then we will look for extremes to complain that it was not the government and well, then always later will be without a lot of extremes who is to blame and this is what scares me the most about the prolongation of this, it is clear that this is a prolongation of the war, that is if uh, well, it obviously depends not on us, not on us, obviously the whole world is convinced that there will be a war we know, thank god, what i am very well, we also have bitter experience and underground and cohesion. i think that the experience throughout the history of the existence of a nation that they want to destroy all the time and who should work with society so that it does not get tired of war and feels it as a perceived threat

politics, art, journalism, what should be with drugs, relatively speaking, from maintaining people in a certain state of understanding the situation, so you did this project with bells. yes, in the shevchenkivskiy market, there is also a social project with bells, and dad is added to it every day . when did you do it? did you understand the possible scope of this project? well, how about everyone i still because the first flash is so energetic that you have a desire to make some kind of effort to declare that this is what we are we hmm we can't stand it we fight one way or the other about art the imagination changes even for a person who may not be engaged in posterity there because there is a posterity of art and there, let's say, some kind of depth, different things but

nevertheless, uh , i hoped that it wouldn't last so long. also stops bothering people, well, from the fact that you and when they already realize that this is just a social project and that people need reality in principle, and how this should affect art, i don’t know. well, i have never been a big fan of poster art because it such a story well, i subjectively spoke about it because it is a social necessity , because a good poster works better than any bomb or gun, you know.

art sometimes hits much stronger than weapons and it is a necessary and necessary component of an aware society, that is what is called the state and when you understand where you are, with whom you live, the awareness of sociality, er , finally, the perception of statehood can be so and it is formed when you find yourself in extreme conditions and you begin to understand that you live with people and you somehow want to help and both yours and art is a weapon, it sounds trite again , but the facts are that everyone is an artist whether there is a writer or a musician or a painter must realize that he is a part of the group well, which is then called the nation, on the other hand , art he is always individual, how can you preserve individuality and become part

of the group well, i don't know that, i have never, never , never divided because well, i have always been i am not a supporter of the fact that i do not believe that art is independence. i do not believe in independent artists, this is not true and this is blasphemy. an artist always depends on something. if you throw a wash on the deserted island , you will take everything from him, starting with the public, the audience and the connoisseurs. it is interesting to see that he will want to create something for himself and for himself, because i believe that an artist creates for himself, first of all, for himself, because he does not wave at himself, the association can

be waved. and when we still have such confusing areas as contemporary art, where the old man breaks his head and 95% of the population thinks that it is complete nonsense and what are you telling me here and how to deal with all this , although there is a concept of elitist art well , but this is already such a developmental stage well, that's why the artist is addicted from the neighbor from the money from the explosion from the headache from the dinner from everything the artist is dependent on this he cannot be independent and based on that you realize when you create something it is clear that it can be some such intuitive subconscious things, but all the same, you are what i will create now. i would never have created before the war, because all the same, all this horror that is happening in society in the world, it is at the level of such a sediment , and i will not get anywhere from it. i will share it

sooner or later as -the awl in the bag comes out in various works of reasons in completely unexpected broadcasts and well, i am not a fan of such poster art, let's say that if i start, if a war starts, i have to draw an explosion and tanks and there are airplanes with bombs. and there are things that are much stronger events of reasons, the viewer himself can uh no to understand why he is so afraid of that picture or of that performance or of that play and so on, why do you want that he was afraid and he is not a person, she is such a creature that she needs comfort, why do people so dislike the content of the contemporary rearad modern art affects us like that, it affects us like acupuncture, it presses on a wound, i think that a certain caravaggio was not such an irritant in his time, well, conventionally speaking, imagine

whether rodin or surrealists, because the challenge is that what people wanted to see in sculpture or on canvas it can say it was always so simple, now we take it as a class, well, let's go, it has become the norm, when the first first sculptor made a rusty sculpture, and the robes came out of it, now we have every second house with a state plate and everyone thinks that it is a trend, no one complains why plate it was not painted when i was drawing war graphics that it wasn't a square, it's like that, it's ultra-avant-garde in my opinion, but it wasn't in the contemporaries, either, it was a classic movement artist at the court, i use spanish not because well, when you say modern art is somehow blurred when you say the term contemporary in ukrainian, it immediately becomes clear what you mean, that there are other technologies, genres and awareness, and although i believe that modern

art, the technologies of modern art can act much more strongly than just painting or graphics er and it was much more difficult for her even in that to find some er phenomenal er technologies that made it possible to simply jump over there for a few to a few in my opinion er ten-year rocks er i doubt that there is much perceived i in general well, some local madman lost his mind during the war, he paints like this, maybe it’s because people during the war live in a state of real stress, not artificial art, it’s always some kind of desire to drive yourself into stress and when there’s a war, you don’t need to drive yourself and stress and it works i understand you, i understand you perfectly because uh, analyzing there over time you uh, when you do something, you are constantly looking for someone to provoke. as

a rule, in peacetime, when everything is quiet and calm there, the artist is looking for some excitement, well, in some extremes, well, right there and then. it's clear narcotic alcohol it so under er strengthens emotions and the artist becomes so original the second phase of the war well, among the people with whom i communicate , artists, writers

, artists, etc., it affected everyone in a very different way. people opened up that you seem to know them one second third then i just looked at them with amazement how they change from when the real war started how did they change what how how did it affect them someone suddenly started to draw just some luxurious things well how could it not cynically in life, what can be a luxurious thing, eh, how did you believe during the war, well, strong things, and someone said that now is not the time to go to war, this is also a position, and now it is gradually becoming the worst in all that hmm and this is how syndrome was in the 14th year when on in the west of ukraine became very popular, well, especially in artistic circles, which immediately began to invite ukrainian artists to exhibitions for projects, and the maidan had to be there, but i remember, i will never forget

, when, in my opinion, wrocław had a kind of i think it was called the survival festival. i was surprised to see that there were several young contemporary artists from ukraine there, and what pissed me off the most was that they just stupidly use footage, well footage that was the scariest on the maidan, when you look into the lens . you see how the guys are being shot. and they are a whore they use those shots as part of the video project, that's how it covered me, in my opinion, that well , yes, that is, no, no, no, there must be some kind of feeling, not something that can . well, some kind of responsibility, if anything, awareness of my participation, it's just fashion, fashion, fashion for ukraine , fashion for extreme the maidan is a revolution, and it is absolutely necessary that everything there flies, waves, shoots, and, namely, evaluation or

self-identification, it disappears and everyone gets used to that fashion, and to the artist who does it, it seems that he has already caught it there it's a bird by the tail and it's been a couple of years everyone in the west is fed up with what happened with success, and i don’t know your artists, but no one needs you. maybe you’re not an artist. i was mainly in the alexanderbaum museums, and it was basically like that before the second world war . german artist salons, beautiful works. well , i would i would never say never, but during the holocaust, he revealed himself because he was a person who painted a real inner tragedy, for example, i think that maybe this is just the key to such eras . well, i don't think so. because i for example, it's always a good example for me. i don't like

to compare myself with someone from artists, because today you like one, tomorrow you like the other, and even more so because i don't want to be like someone , but i'm very much in the same relationship, any of them is essentially he was saved by the crimean tatars and who treated him with fat completely, some technologies were used for treatment , he survived, the tatars saved him and this became a hmm key moment both material and philosophical for his whole creative concept of fighters - this already a whole era in to modern art and he is real and he always says that what you experienced is real, that is, it obviously had such a strong influence on him, this, that, er, the feeling of the er, process of treatment of those materials that it

went through his creativity and maybe because of that it is created by such real ones, well, it was actually an experience of war, an experience of war, an experience of war, i agree here, and such, well, such examples, although you gave the example of the beautiful one, maybe some stress disturbs the author of some things that are true, that is he finally finds authenticity in that and even then you can believe him and what he does can cause surprise and go and you believe that, well , how good is the play on the stage, so i believe, i don't believe . maybe it's just that post-war ukrainian art will then be real because it will be rethought all this experience, well, real art, as always, is not enough, well, conditionally speaking, where am i talking about what will be real, but for sure, this bitter experience does

its own disturbance, and education and fulfillment , this is clear. i think that war is a bitter but very strong experience i am very strong i personally feel that this is not crazy, because i, for example, uh, well, ideology does not exist for me, let's say i'm a surrealist, or a graphic artist, or a pianist, or someone else, for me it doesn't matter what technology i use to implement an idea . the main thing is that you you express yourself, the idea is primary and you just need to find a technology that will allow you to realize that idea as much as possible so that it is convincing, and therefore today it can be a theatrical performance, tomorrow it can be an installation, the day after tomorrow it can be a painting, that is, for me it is not important at least

many of my friends tell me that you are scurrying, identify those who lived, wrote these sculptors or he, it doesn't matter to me. well, they are on the way out, what is on the way out that can affect the consciousness of an addicted artist, because i, unlike those who say that they are independent i am very dependent artists, the unconsciousness of the one who looks at it, uh, well, if i create because something is pressing on me , that is, addiction, and this is a product, it is like uh , undermining, as if speaking there in the language of a stoker, which i used to be here, so- called blow-off valves when the pressure is so it increases in boilers that it can cause an explosion, for that there are blow-off valves that reduce the pressure, blow them off, and excess steam comes out like this with the art of cuckoo- when your blow-off valves work and

then something comes out it's worth something, well at least i'm subjectively trying to explain this in an accessible language using the example of stokering and that's how blast valves during the war they have a very, very strong influence , although in terms of advantages when it started you think so and you all the time i'm always afraid to go out in the e -is the category of posterity, a poster is brilliant, but it is disposable, that is, it is not disposable, it occupies a certain niche that is in demand for a certain time, for example, a military poster or a social poster, that is, it is a dependent link, art, say, like design, it is involved in something, it cannot be self-sufficient or a poster a poster serves something and an artist expresses himself in his life of reality that is why he can be independent, that is, he can be a good

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