[000:00:00;00] of russian propagandists, specific facts and methods by which the enemy's propaganda turns people into obedient zones of zombies, opposing it to the information attacks of the russians in the project of the chronicle of the information war with olga len from june 5, tuesday, thursday, friday at 5:10 p.m. on the espresso tv channel. i welcome you to the espresso channel on the sixth in june, the russians blew up the dam of the kakhovskaya yegis in the kherson region . currently, this is one of the biggest war crimes of the russian federation. dozens of settlements in ukraine, in particular, the city of kherson now suffer from flooding, this crime will lead to ecocide of huge economic losses and the displacement

of thousands of people, at the same time, there are grounds to claim that this disaster was caused by enemies and is also the beginning of a new stage of russia's war against ukraine. why is this so, what can we expect from the aggressor in the chain of escalation and how the world is reacting to it, and we will speak professionally as guests in our program. my name is serhiy zgorytskyi , the director of the information consulting company defense express, which, together with the espresso channels, strives to highlight the most current events in the field of security and now it happens mykhailo gonchar, president of the center of global studies strategy 21 in my opinion, one of the best specialists in the fields of energy and military security, mr. mykhailo i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you . is it still possible to claim that

the enemy is moving to such a new stage of confrontation with ukraine in order to inflict maximum economic losses in order to undermine the economic stability of our of the country and this means that this transition took place with the detonation of the kakhiv hpp, this is actually a continuation, because if we recall last year, and in particular, the date of september 11, 2022, when there was the first such massive missile attack on the energy and structure of kharkiv oblast 11 september is a symbolic date. russia does not hide this symbolism and drew parallels with september 11, 2001. well, then there were known more and more

massive missile strikes on the energy infrastructure of ukraine on october 10, october 11, 15 november well, one can list these dates and so on, this already meant that russia moved to the plan of inflicting strategic damage in ukraine to the entire depth of its territory and , first of all, to the energy infrastructure. are important for the defense-industrial complex, what happened at the kakhovka hpp is, in principle

, blanks, blanks, blanks, blanks that were made since last year, practically the first information about the mining of objects on vona hydrostation appeared more than a year ago. well, already in the fall of 2022. if there was sufficiently accurate information that the hydroelectric power plant was blown up and prepared for blowing up, and it is obvious that, yes , in the case of e, there was only waiting for the order to issue the corresponding directive uh, at a certain time, and if we look at a certain time and make such a certain retrospect in the past, we will see that uh , what happened uh in kakhovka corresponds to soviet military art in principle, because in the 41st year, uh, there was used to detonate

the dniproges in zaporizhzhia did not bring any results tangible results for the retreating soviet troops but nevertheless it took place well, it corresponds to such an approach that is studied in the studied before is studied obviously now in the military academies of the general staff of the ussr or russia now about the so-called engineering submersion when there is a serious hydraulic structure, from the point of view of operational art, it is possible to stop the advance of the enemy's troops, then you can take advantage of this by blowing up such a structure to release water on the path of the advance of the troops the enemy and to slow down the enemy's offensive actions in this way, that's why we see the implementation of this in practice, but

the issue goes far beyond the scope of such a tactical or operational level, in fact, it is such a multi-layered scenario, at the end of which, in my opinion, it is precisely the creation of the prerequisites for a man-made nuclear accident on zaporizhzhia npp , which is fed from the kakhovsky reservoir for where does the water for the reactor cooling system come from ? attract to our air a correspondent who is currently in the flood zone, this is the espresso correspondent dmytro ditoro, who will tell us about the current operational situation in the kherson mykolaiv oblast, dmytro, i congratulate you, what is happening right now where you are talking

yes i will continue, we are now in mykolaiv, the consequences of the explosion of the kakhovsky hpp. you can see just behind me that this is a neighborhood. i washed away a few of the embankment and washed away the gazebo of one of the cafes and about the operational situation on mykolaiv oblast in the very center of the region, the night was calm, the operational command of the south reports that around four in the morning it was possible to shoot down a cruise missile over mykolaiv oblast, but the enemy, despite the flooding in mykolaiv oblast itself, continues to fire artillery, particularly in the ochakiv community, struck the water area , and there are no casualties or damage. the kutsurub community was also shelled with artillery, there are also no casualties or destruction, and in general the situation in the mykolaiv oblast is more or less

calm. despite kherson, which is constantly under fire from the enemy, 18 shells were fired by the enemy over kherson just yesterday, and thanks to the information of the minister of community development, territory and infrastructure of ukraine, oleksandr kubrykova, we know that 150 tons of lubricant got into the dnipro due to the explosion of the hopka hydroelectric power station . this is official information from the ministry . let's hear what the quality of water in mykolaiv, and is this oil leak threatening mykolaiv? the water, which is er, possibly contaminated , can be contaminated precisely for this reason .

we are under triple control only on the approach to our treatment facilities, the government announced that they have allocated 120 million hryvnias to provide drinking water to mykolaiv, and if we return to kherson and the kherson region, yesterday the enemy fired 25 shells in the city of kherson, namely on the evacuation routes of the local population from the korabel microdistrict which suffered the most from the explosion of the kakhovskaya hpp because the enemy is the enemy, this area is like a palm on the palm of the palm and therefore it was possible to come under fire , but we had time to talk with the local residents , let's hear them, i got a call, one percent remained on the phone , oh, that's what i'm saying, i got a call .

sveta has no water, there is nothing there, and the water level is rising , i don’t know how much it will rise, well, i don’t know how much, when they will go down, we just go, shouting, help is needed, and people respond to us, and accordingly, we sarafannoe radio sarafan radio what kind of bridge behind the bridge of water vadim is a lot of meters 2.5 this is exactly why it is a very difficult case eh everything is spilled in oil products a sad story just sad the kherson regional military administration advises journalists and volunteers to limit their trips to this section of the front since the russians are constantly being shelled from the side, i have the following information from mykolaiv and the kherson region. thank you very much for

the prompt inclusion of the latest information from this dangerous region, and i would like to remind our viewers that this was dmytro detura, a correspondent channel espresso and returning to mr. mykhailo now we have seen what is really happening in this investment area a, but in one of your interviews mr. mykhailo you said that russia is moving to a hybrid algorithm of actions which actually borders on the use of weapons of mass destruction in fact, however de jure is not like that, i.e. is it about the fact that now russia will implement exactly this version of such cascading effects on ukraine and , for example, the zaporizhia nuclear power plant is in effect.

was set as a goal well, if the result were not difficult to predict, a-and now the projection of the threat of a nuclear incident will work, it is something close to the fukushima scenario , because if there is a shortage of water for cooling the reactors, then, as a matter of fact, they will go through the warm-up, despite the fact that there are five reactors in the cold mode of the instruction, and the sixth reactor or rector number five power unit number five is still in hot mode, however, they are not working at full capacity, of course yes but none the less water for cooling it is necessary because one way or another the heat generation continues in the active zone of the reactor , it needs to be removed and here if there is still a problem that is why there can be such a situation and for this.

to the fact that there was information there since last year about the mining of the kakhovka eu, they do not pay attention to the information that appeared in early april that the russians mined the water supply collectors in the cooling circuit of at least four power units at first fourthly and, actually speaking, if the scenario were completely re-enumerated, exactly as they are now declaring that it was ukraine that struck the kakhovsky hpp and this, they say , caused the destruction, in the same way they can say that ukraine struck the zaporizhzhia power units the water supply collectors collapsed, and then a situation arises that regardless of whether there is water in, whether there is water in, or whether there is water in the reservoirs, or whether there is water in

the cooling pond, somehow it cannot be supplied to the reactor cooling circuit and further from the outside what is happening is actually the heating of the active zone with its subsequent melting, the depressurization of the reactor body and the release of radioactivity to the outside , so if this is the option. from all sides , they say that there is still a current threat, they say that there is no water coming in, here is today’s statement that the npp staff there itself ensures the flow of water with the means available there in the event of a drop in the level water reservoirs, and they say that if the problem does not arise at the moment, it does, but we are only at the beginning of the implementation

of this algorithm, so to speak. well, actually, i can give a comparison here, see, uh, with that , let's recall the incident when, uh, russian su-27 fighters they destroyed an american unmanned reconnaissance vehicle, they did not use missiles to defeat this drone, they used an unarmed means. we can see the reaction was a sluggish kola. well, and so on. and here it is, in contrast to the previous threats to use tactical weapons , which remain threats here, if russia were to resort to a nuclear scenario

, but without the use of tactical nuclear weapons ammunition, and therefore they carefully monitor the reaction of the world public, governments, and so on, and each step depending on this reaction, they will further verify in what way it is worth acting. well, obviously, at a certain stage, they realized that it is possible go to e-e to raise the stakes and raise the degree of tension and actually launch this algorithm of actions for strategic damage , and it is aimed, as a matter of course, first of all at us, ukraine, but also aimed at our western partners so that they

review there they said their approaches regarding aid to ukraine, well, we see that they are again wrapped up in the queue, there are inviting ukraine to nato in vienna, which ones not to invite, which weapons to provide, which not to provide there, and so on, and similar publications appear there about what is needed they say that one way or another it is necessary to incline the parties to negotiations, but they say, uh, what a problem, the parties are all the same, somehow there they communicate, they have to talk and maybe they will come to an agreement on something, uh, in the end. therefore, all this is as if such a complex use of the power of the means that are currently being carried out with russia in order to achieve a certain strategic advantage at a time when they cannot achieve such an advantage during almost 15

months there on the battlefield, but there are two more such components that also seem to be included in this concept of the russian federation because there were mentions of the mining of the crimean titan plant, which also creates environmental threats, and yesterday there was a message from the main intelligence agency that in fact russia is preparing for a terrorist attack on the main gas pipelines, but already on the territory of the russian federation there is a downward pressure and thus creating certain there risks in order to later accuse ukraine of precisely such actions, it is also included in the concept of shaking the unity of europe in the attitude towards ukraine, of course in principle, this is also a scenario that was not invented today, i.e. he was just lying down and waiting for his time, because it really is not. it is necessary

to take some professional actions on the territory of ukraine, to blow up gas pipelines when it can be successfully done on your territory, pass it off as a technical the incident, they said, all the more so that now there is essentially one tour line operating in the direction of the country, one single one. previously , there were several routes through which russian gas went through ukraine in transit to the countries of the european union, now there is only one the route is practically and if in a typical manner they can say there that this is an old gas pipeline, the bell has already worn out and something has happened well, all this is in the best case scenario and as a rule, they can build a ukrainian subversive group, they say, that penetrated there and uh weapons well, in this way, it is also if the mechanism of the disk on

the european partners of ukraine regarding the reduction of support or the general revision of the support of ukraine for the revision of the sanctions policy, and in this regard, of course, there would be no voluntary without quotation marks uh, europeans from the side russia cannot count on this, because there may still be some illusions somewhere, but in reality everything looks completely different , so you need to be ready for this scenario, but actually speaking here, if the situation is also completely predicted, it is only a matter of time before they step e-e will not be ready to succeed, all the more historical precedents were how they did it, the most striking is the termination of the supply of e-e oil to lithuania in 2006, when, according to the kremlin, the lithuanian government

improperly privatized an oil refinery not in favor of the russian company a on the benefit of the polish company, and therefore suddenly on the territory of russia in the area of ​​er-e mentioned many times in the somewhere where the oil-rolling station of er-e system of the druzhba system is located , an accident suddenly occurred. an oil pipeline is impossible there, there is a huge number of worn-out areas of damage and so on, but for some reason it is on the territory of belarus , because through belarus, where transit to lithuania went , transit to lithuania of oil went, they resumed the supply when the lithuanians said and so what update and we can't give more pressure, because then the pipe won't last , then belarus will last, and it won't last until you, we're on it. it all ended like that, and the transit was not updated, that's why it 's such hybrid mechanisms, they haven't been

developed for a long time, and now they will be used in the same way and here there is no need to have any illusions that russia will somehow comply with some contractual obligations there with its european partners, and we here in this case act simply as a transit link and we provide this transit for a reason that we so to speak, we have, not only because we have a naftogaz contract with gazprom , but also because our partners who support us are at the very end of the pipe, but we definitely ask the question, what do we need to end it, end it?

that, for example, a decision was made about oil paint. last year, it was implemented, but about the gas embargo, the talks are still ongoing , but they have not even reached the practical level. just all the things that have happened show that if we do not resort to hard economic isolation of russia, and actually it will not stop, as we can see on the example of sanctions that created problems for russia there. they halved its oil and gas revenues there, but this decrease is halved compared to the record level of 22nd year, that is, actually speaking, the sanctions brought down the profitability of russian oil and gas exports there, well, up to the level of the 21st year, and this is quite enough for russia to continue waging war, therefore , including. here are such methods, which are essentially acting as a hybrid method for strategic

the defeat of ukraine is essentially without the use of weapons of mass destruction, and therefore, in order to prevent the zaporizhia nuclear scenario that has already been worked out by them, the most stringent actions are needed on the part of our western partners, because of course you can see there that this is the dnipro spilling that they cover a certain region there, it may even be further there if there is even some man-made accident on the crimean titan there , something else toxic will spill there into sivash azov there and so on, it will get into the black sea well, but they say, after all, local consequences, and in the case of an accident with a release of radioactivity in kryvyi, the consequences will be far from local , they will, depending on the degree of the level

of the incident, have consequences of a european nature, that is why these things should now be on the table of our consultations and negotiations with the western er, as partners, we should encourage them to take preventive actions, because reactive actions, even if they are quite powerful, they do not stop the aggressor, er, moreover, they actually simulate him to further dangerous steps, dangerous ones for ukraine but for europe this mr. mykhailo thank you very much for your professional explanations for your comments for your inclusion and i would like to remind our viewers that on the air the class of presobu mykhailo gonchar president of the center for global studies strategy 21 podtris is actually one of the low crimes what an act the russian federation and its of the army, and how exactly the evidence base against the aggressor is assembled, we will talk in the second part of our program after

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by military experts . what are the difficulties about this? the work of your experts and whether, in particular , the situation with the kahiv hpp falls within the area of ​​responsibility of your experts, eh , at the moment, eh, i am the director of the kyiv scientific research institute of forensic expertise, and we are entrusted with the exact functions conducting e-e, in particular, military expertise or also expertise of missile artillery weapons, we have the only one so far among the expert units and institutions, a unit that directly deals with conducting military expertise, we have a lot of them , a large unit e-e, many highly qualified and experienced specialists work in it the specified direction of research and we