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were organized in 47 cities located in 30 countries. for admission, you need to present a participant's certificate and an original document confirming your identity. it works digitally. version in the application, the main session will last until june 23, the additional session will take place from july 11 to 24 in our studio today oleksandr kondratyuk visited us today the founder of the all-ukrainian educational company sat, congratulations to mr. oleksandr vitay, however, how will we return ukrainian schoolchildren and what awaits them after returning to ukraine after the end of the war, we will talk a little later, now let's talk about what, ah , right now, worries the majority of parents and applicants who will enter this year multi-subject test, in your opinion , are the problems of last year taken into account, how did it pass this time, if it is possible to take it according to the number of people willing to take it, please tell me, yes

, share your impressions, and there were some mistakes taken into account, but part of the war. in fact, this year's nmt is the return of the classic zno, which we saw in the pre-war period, but in the cover of the multi-test, everyone is used to believing that the multi-tests, like last year, are a kind of abbreviated version of a-and, you know, two minutes per question and not a complete list topics are not all question formats. as was the case last year, but this year we saw the return of all topics completely in the format of the external examination, as the representative of this company said at the official briefing back in january, we saw the return of almost all test forms, this is also the usual sequence matching tests and even tasks with the choice of three correct answers of families and profile tasks of an open type without answer options, you enter the answer manually and such tasks to example 4 in mathematics and without them it is impossible to get a score higher than 58, that is, a score sufficient to pass the budget cannot be scored even with perfect knowledge of the standard level if you did not make absolutely any mistakes eh and all this we saw the return of the zno but we did not see the return of the time

inherent in the zno and instead of 6-7 minutes what it is necessary to allocate for the completion of tasks typical for the external examination, we have 2 minutes, like last year, so this test can definitely be called the toughest in the entire history of exams , because all this is multiplied by other innovations, this is only a test, and in addition, there is the lowest percentage of admission to the budget, which we recorded last year because the 11-fold increase in the number of quotas and on a general basis it is becoming more difficult to enter, but this is not the biggest problem, including there are other problems that are not being talked about now. for example, our the topic and one of them sounds about how to adapt children who return abroad and there issued a clear such algorithm it is good that it was issued but not issued, for example, the same algorithm about all how you enter and aspects of entry there next when you submit applications for the budget and they tell you that there are, for example, 80 or 5,000 budget places in the country , so in reality only about half of them will be given to applicants on general

grounds, the rest will simply burn because there are certain algorithms, for example, the minimum competitive score of the offer is when all all entrants from all universities of the same specialty are arranged in one list and cut off all those with a score below , for example, 182 points are then returned and if , for example, 10 budget places were allocated , but people came there only with a low score e and only two of them returned who passed this limit is not crossed, then two places will be issued and eight will be burned. thus, some specialties do not burn anything and in some they burn. and this is 40%, and another 11,000 subotists. and this is an 11-fold increase compared to the pre-war period, when the chance to enter on a general basis was only about 20%, and this year the situation will be a little worse for

applicants because we saw an increase in 30% of those who want to pass the mt. and this is about 70,000 people, and strictly speaking, these 70,000 people are a return to the pre-war period, starting there from 2020, roughly until 2030, the number of applicants will grow one and a half times according to demographic data, if only i would say even more now the number of recorded there are about 400,000 ninth-graders, and 270 eleventh-graders this year registered for the exam, that is, in two years the number will increase by another 120,000, and this will certainly not compensate for the number of budget places, they have already been notified that they have been cut and only 77,000 will be available for day uniforms places and this, of course, claims a new anti-record in fact, enrollment in the budget . therefore, all this with a budget that, by the way, is not announced by the ministry officially, that exactly such algorithms of transparency in this matter are lacking, all this is multiplied by a complex test and er, misunderstanding of the disqualification limit. when will you be disqualified from participating in the competition at all, and this year, as many as two were returned

and the classic limit of the external examination was passed, did not pass and left a new novelty such a hit of the season last year and it was called the minimum score for the budget and it was called that, but in fact it meant the minimum score for you to be allowed to participate in the competition at all and you did not pass the composition in the 21st year, you could not overcome 31% in mathematics and this is almost 100,000 applicants last year , this is to start the war 22nd year the first year nmt and the minimum score for submitting documents could not overcome 37% in mathematics. this is a new anti-record 20% in history and 20% over 20 in the ukrainian language. by the way, in the ukrainian language , this is a threefold increase, in fact, number one . first of all, we saw the issue of the number of those who did not were able to overcome from 13 to 31%, while on the multitest and it was still an external examination at the time, but the meaning is the same, you can say external examination, you can use it , the content of the question format is almost the same , so when the first time came to the nmte or external examination

, those children who in not due to the coronavirus compiled dpa, dpa is a summation of everything and a good rehearsal, and in fact, the function of dpa before the war was not only to do some kind of control work there, summarize the results, and summarize knowledge in order to make it possible to compile a high-quality external examination in general, and this is the number one reason, by the way, it will be even wider this year, the dpa is returning four compulsory subjects, whereas before there were three and there was a right to choose. now there is no ukrainian mathematics, history and english , it is rather transferred to the parish with this one because this is his, and this is the ukrainian center for the evaluation of the quality of education, which rigorously and powerfully conducts testing as it should be, he will now take care of how clear the statement and the dpa are, and they have already issued a statement on the modification of the dpa and will make it similar to the external examination, that is, there will be no question in the style of when volodymyr the great baptized russia and when the son of this man is depicted in the portrait, he did what he

is most famous for in the history of ukraine. it is more difficult in understanding, but the content is the same. this is how the dpa will be and it will be returned already in this year and this means that probably in two years after that, we may see a certain decrease of those who failed the exams at all and were not able to apply to universities, can i give you a brief clarification, you said that 85,000 budget places of them approximately half will burn, and there are specialties where e the number of budget places is burning up, and somewhere where they remain, you can name these specialties and we will move on, so there are the most vivid examples, for example, in the past years, two years ago, it was it where almost nothing burned down. for example, if let's take kpi, the faculty of physics is more prestigious there, and the passing score was 196.1 points , one of the highest in general that exists, it is actually hyper difficult, son, so that you understand , only one person from the entire list

passed. a score of 200 points is the maximum. and 200 is not only knowledge, it’s also not to be nervous, it’s also success - it’s a certain luck, that’s it, that’s that, that ’s the result, and nothing was burned there at all, because even if i look at the list, i see two places more than really promised a v marketing and management, and maybe this will also apply to economics, psychology. and this group of social behavioral sciences has been there for two years in a row, then in another, then in some other specialties, they can even cut up to 70 or 80% of all budget places that were promised theoretically, and this is very simple meaning because the state is regulated in such a way that you will not be able to get into any university in the country with a low score , they say that our system is like this, money follows the student, so long as the students passed, the money did not follow them the place is not funded. in fact, everything is clear and transparent if it is explained, of course, but it is not explained, instead it is explained. here are things like how applicants who studied in europe will one day be enrolled. moreover, mainly applicants from

europe say that we like to study here , that is, there will not be any problem, what is worse there education than ours during the war period ago, and it will be shown to the believers as applicants who, in principle, do not have special problems, except perhaps the workload, but no bigger problems than, for example, children who are currently studying somewhere in the kherson region, how can they simplify their lives somewhere, then, that is, not the most important algorithm and it all leads to the next one, we know the best innovation, the best performed innovation will not cover the problems of the fact that this is not the innovation at all, the best explained information that answers well, it does not answer any particular problem - this is a waste of time, you need to spend this time on the reality of the real problems, and you asked about where the problems are in general, and why are there only i said about the dpa, but the dpa is only, you know, the tip of the iceberg, all this is still hidden earlier why would, for example, if we had excellent education at school, children could yes, for example, learn nine grades without even

passing the dpa they studied and then 10-11 came and passed the first of all, this is the disconnection of school programs from the program of this one speaks at the external examination, for example, even when and this year the representative of the same and it was, as far as i remember, the deputy director of this, he was asked at the briefing on the basis of which the english program was made up, he said on the basis of the recommendations of the council of europe with questions of learning foreign languages ​​are not a school program, if you download the website of the ministry and the websites of your own school programs and programs of external examinations, if you are not a professional teacher, you will not even be able to compare them, probably they are completely different , there is some goal of the course, which should educate the skills of the child, and so on. in zno - this is a list on page a4 of everything about triangles that we will ask from a to z, and this is also not all, of course, there is the issue of career guidance, which is currently being resolved, we heard news that various career guidance series are being implemented and

so on, but this is a crooked implementation, because this is step number two, missing step number one, number one is to understand each child , to conduct psychological testing and consultations with various professionals. sos she is in touch with us . good afternoon, we welcome you. we are talking about the problem of reducing the number of budget places, and in general the difficulties faced by today's applicants. mr. oleksandr kondratyuk said that the most difficult thing in general is now the strictest conditions for entrants, and the main problems regarding passing the multi-pedagogical test and subsequent admission to higher education that you see this year, literally yesterday , i received a lot of letters from students who made up cents and there were a lot of technical problems in fact and in this matter

what happened yesterday with a history teacher i talked to one who is one of the developers of history tests and he says that from what he saw the proportions of these tasks are not proportional and they are more difficult and he doesn't understand how it's random. it turns out that in- they prepared much harder than the children , i.e. due to technical problems. well, when we first had the first session on the seventh, and the students complained that when there was an air alarm, the timer did not stop and these half an hour was counted to them because it was there, if i remember, there were 32 minutes, uh, there is information that 45 minutes were added to someone, and someone was not added , they were sent to an additional session on the seventh of july ago well, very well, actually, there are many questions, i do not

understand how many parents this year complains complains that this is happening. it seems to me that this year it is much more difficult for children who pass and who want to stay in ukraine to get a profession. well, it seems to me that it is more difficult for them this year, ms. olena, i will immediately ask you then about how to solve this situation now, i hope that we are heard in the ministry of education and in all relevant departments on which the conduct of this test this year actually depends , is it possible now to take some steps to find a possibly balanced option of course, i would like to hear the answer, i would like to, but to be honest, the time is wasted, i don’t know now well, some universities there offer their creative competitions at the expense of this, just to extract students who want to enter

, but well what is happening to me in general is very strange, on the one hand, now many obstacles have been created by parents who plan to return to schools here as graduates who have decided to stay in ukraine at the same time european countries offer many opportunities to enroll in universities in general on preferential terms and even if they are paid to compensate for some education costs, i don't understand why we constantly create some uh-hell hell for our children in ukraine so that they stay, well , you know how, well, it's very difficult for me it's emotional to comment on all this because i honestly don't understand why we, the owners of children, uh, despise ivan so

much for all their time believe me, this year, now that the testing is already underway, of course it will be difficult to solve something, because even let's look more broadly , it was after this false three-subject testing option was adopted and i talked on the air on many tv channels about the fact that it is a mistake and it is necessary to take four subjects unconditionally, because four subjects means that history is compulsory , as many people in general in ukraine want, everyone agrees that history should be compulsory and it could even be made compulsory english as they did for next year. by the way, it will now be compulsory for everyone, and well, english is still the same, but the most important thing is that there are four subjects from which you make them, and then, knowing the results after the fact, you choose the three best and submit four to the university subjects never meant that you have to submit four straight to the university, you always submitted three and this is essentially a simplification, they say prepare three less instead of four. and this is a complication, they say, now you have

the right to make a mistake. budget eh it went to someone else. that's why. after that, we saw the resignation of the minister, and maybe it was also connected with this, because these are very wrong steps, very wrong decisions that only make life more difficult. four, then three, then another. but fortunately , the mandatory subjects for next year are already known . the verkhovna rada spoke about this right away in march, and in april voted and adopted a bill in the first reading on what will be the ukrainian language, mathematics, history and the english language is mandatory for everyone, the format is unknown, it will be the course of the external examination but it does not really play any role for the average applicant, what should he prepare, because, as i said, the topics are the same test forms , there are practically no differences in the external examination, who is to blame, but it is necessary soberly and transparently to do it qualitatively and acknowledging that you heard that in january there was probably such a moment when we also talked and i said this about the fact that the testing will be the toughest in the entire history of exams, many

official state bodies passed it but already in april, the director gutsaluionova admitted that there will indeed be tasks of a professional level in mathematics, she said about it and it is good that she said it, because it is true and reality , you cannot deny it, you need to take actions soberly and qualitatively for the next year, and they are almost already being done. if we talk about multi-testing , but not if we talk about the real improvement of education, about career guidance and so on, let's talk about ms. elena's conclusions, here are a few of these basic theses that you consider simply necessary so that, for example, the ministry took into account in the next year during the conduct well, let's hope that there will be an external independent evaluation. i mean that the war will end and there will be no sense in the multi-tribal test a-ah, what are the main points, which well, it is simply necessary to correct in your opinion on possible with examples of something that happened this year. thank you. and you know, first of all , i have absolutely no confidence in what will happen, as was announced in march in april of this

year, because ah, i understand that our policy is so changeable that we can say what, what, what everything that will be agreed by law for the next year has been announced, well, it's difficult because everything changes in september. last year, the children hoped that you would be ... this program that has been made for the antenna at the very least needs to be revised, because if there is an air alarm, if the timer does not stop , this is a problem, that is, we still have technical issues to fix this year, because the sessions are ongoing, the children pass, and at least in terms of absolutely none of the programs with the commentators, and you know, no matter how much i discuss the evaluation centers , they always tell me that all our tests are oriented towards educational

programs. but to be honest, when i was preparing my own child for the external examination, we were still in the 19th year were clearly aware that this is not true, it does not correspond. and what is happening now . for example, a school with an in-depth study of a foreign language, how can it be given a profile level of mathematics, they teach english seven times a week there, anything and everything mathematics for them is at a completely different level, and they will pass the profile level of mathematics from those tasks that are already there , somehow, someone took a picture and brought them out, everyone already understands that they are much more difficult than what they were preparing for, so it is not certain that some half-measure of tasks with e- e programs with well, it must be well, there must be some kind of logic to all of this, because you are preparing like this without understanding what it is actually yours for, i will tell you that next year it will be even more difficult

because these are children of two years of kolyad and two and a half years of war and i'm honestly saying that children who studied remotely. yes , 9-10th, eighth, ninth, and 11th grade. they studied in basements under uh, well, everything is clear. i think yes, we feel your uh, your concern . let's hope that the conclusions will be drawn. thank you for drawing attention to problems, but the co-chairman of the non-governmental organization parfuonova created the parents participated in our broadcast . every year they give some demonstration options , but there is always a risk that they will be different, and if you carefully read what the ukrainian center for evaluation of the quality of education writes on the website , it says whether the demonstration options reflect the structure of the tests, they reflect how

the questions will be arranged, but there is not a word about the same complexity and it is directly written there that the interface itself can be completely different and people do not even know what interface it will be, how it will look visually, why is it so and it has an effect, and because in fact in our every year the number of budget places is now falling by 20% from 2014 , it was, you know, 50%, because there was no combustion there a few years ago , for these children who are now, for example, in the ninth grade, the chance of admission will be about 10-12 percent, even less by half therefore, this is a fivefold decrease in the number of budget places from the 14th approximately to the 26th year, and if there was no complication of testing in different ways, a little bit everywhere, then the score would have already increased from 185 to 197 if it was the same difficulty and thus the score is growing little bit does not cause public outrage, but in fact the difficulty and the chance to enter is the most important thing, because the most important thing is which test is easy or simple, it is important that the chance to enter is simply smaller. are you competing for 197 points

or for 187, the chance is simply smaller, that's why there is such a discrepancy and it will definitely be, but about applicants and parents themselves need to think soberly about this, this is a very important aspect , in fact, and one of the key ones in the world, because often people think that the most important thing is an exceptionally good teacher, this is very important, but there is also career guidance, which is just as important we spoke, but also a sober understanding , and i myself prepare my chances in my prospects, they that we constantly do this, we tell people to our clients, first of all, that it is necessary to understand soberly and take it with a margin , it will be a little more difficult, it will be a little more difficult in time, we did not say just now, but in fact, the questions are also mixed up there. take the 20th or 21st question from the ukrainian language, five paragraphs of text, let me remind you that it takes two minutes to solve the question on average. you read five paragraphs and the answer options option a, a triangle, a circle

a square, a circle, and option b is an inverted trapezoid, a rhombus, a circle, a square, this is the ukrainian language, there is nothing to do with mathematics, but in fact the situation is that each paragraph is marked with some geometric shape and you need to display a sequence of paragraphs by passing it through geometric shapes in order to compose a personal text, it is not difficult to compose a text but it is difficult to understand and it is definitely and now imagine this single test that contains 80 or so questions without a break in three hours, this is the largest in the history of the zno was the zno it was 3.5 hours for mathematics and 35 questions, and here it is 80 with a hook for 3 hours from three different disciplines with such a twist, mr. ivan feels that you passed everything that everything is possible, everything that was possible, we apologize for everything that was possible to pass all those tests that - and were you able to access them, did you go through them, i feel that you worked with each one, even a little bit was voiced to us here, if you please, let us, we promised you to talk about the return of ukrainian children from abroad, but what

challenges they will face after at the same time, their parents recommend what the ministry of education of ukraine recommends to them and what the ministry of education of ukraine recommends to teachers. so, about 450,000 ukrainian children are currently getting an education in european union schools . nayvik, what a challenge , because children need school socialization , communication with classmates, in the end, games, so it is not worth focusing on online learning for a long time. the eu is now trying the process of combining attending school in one or another country and studying certain subjects online in accordance with the ukrainian school curriculum . the ministry of education and science of ukraine has already announced a certain list of recommendations on how ukrainian schools and ukrainian teachers should act, how students and their parents, as soon as they

will return to ukraine, and there is the question of how to be with the documents confirming documents for foreign ones, which class to choose, which school to choose, what is it possible to apply there only in one, many, many different nuances. i'm sure that as with the tests, you've familiarized yourself with these recommendations, mon and let's talk about which of them seemed to you to be the most objective , which ones do you approve of? already received a certificate in europe. it is true here. if you have passed some tests in europe, such as the external examination, they are not considered valid here, and if you studied at school but did not finish it, then you come , give certificates and you are credited with everything there was as much as possible translating it into our evaluation system, but for example, if there are even subjects like science snowka , you can either enroll in subjects there, something physics, something chemistry, or if you did not have any

subjects there or you want them, there is no where you can just take and take the test with us at the discretion of the school, which means that it will rather be some kind of communication with teachers, test papers and so on , that is, it is not that difficult to enroll here , and here one gets the impression that it is correct that the ministry and all the people responsible for it they simply won't take on extra work, understanding that in europe they probably don't teach worse than in our country, and they will simply count correctly. the biggest problem that i see is that there are many non-standardized moments, that is, there is information about what will happen if the certificates are obtained, and if the school too just voiced it, but if you, for example, are transferring and completing some test papers, then in one school you will be given a zatach, in fact, because your mother knows a teacher there, and so on, in another school they will seriously ask, and somewhere they can to give a worse grade that is, it will be very uneven and as the speaker said that olena's skype company has started, what is this situation of unevenness, someone was given 45 minutes

, someone was taken away 30 minutes, and here, too , someone will be given a very good grade, someone will be given a bad grade, and if it is, for example, 10th class and even some courses can be completed there, and this already grade will go into the certificate of next year's certificate. small but unevenness and unevenness simply in the assessment of even the efforts of the child purely from a psychological point of view that they say that someone was given a difficult task and it was all easy for me, we want to add to our broadcast zoya lytvyn, the head of the public organization, the educational institution. congratulations, colleagues , congratulations. the return of ukrainian schoolchildren from abroad and what exactly are the recommendations of the ministry of defense of the ministry of education and science that you consider appropriate, which raise the question of how far in this context on this path to

after the return of ukrainian schoolchildren to the territory of our country in their further education, are all the steps taken into account or which ones? maybe you want to add ms. - this is one of the most important factors for the return of families abroad, because you can work anywhere , but children need to be educated in a good, high-quality education system, and parents understand this more than ever, so recommendations for children tisymmetric are simplified and i like them. what is missing? it is probably the tools because it will be necessary to work with this educational loss, it will be necessary to teach children with different levels of knowledge in the same class, and here should be the next step after these recommendations, specific tools for schools of administrators and teachers, how to work with children of such different levels from different

education systems, what tools can these be , what approaches can teachers use, in particular school tractors in order to well, soften it as much as possible. well, this adaptation of the ukrainian children as soon as they return. unfortunately, there is not so much international experience on which we could rely as experts, but what exactly works, definitely works great , the alignment classes are like that the so-called tutoring groups are organized at the expense of the state on the basis of the school, these are summer camps and these are also classes according to the level of knowledge of which children who did not study one or another subject can make up for the program separately, because the situation is different, children who had the opportunity to study at the boarding school will return to external valves to parallel the ukrainian language and literature that were not available in germany and france in the institution where they were and there were those