[000:00:00;00] you know the words andriy yarmak said in the interview with ep komarov well, we understand within the framework of the program the world inside out, he illustrated everything perfectly there what well, it was suggested that a member of the international committee visit the relevant places on the line of contact with russian troops with russia with the necessary protection so that they with their own eyes if they saw what was happening there, they would refuse. well, these security measures, you know, are a very european thing, that is, they are as careful as possible, that is the difference with the americans, who are ready to come to ukraine for a long period without any dishes and europeans who are not ready to do this. but again, international organizations are not the kind of structures that, you know, can bang their fist on the table and impose some terrible painful sanctions on russia, they can exclude russia, limit

its participation, deprive it of observer status , stop participating in various projects, and it is clear that as of last year, russia was excluded from 42 international structures. i think this list will expand again when the russians after the war understand that this the diplomatic failure is real. does this deprive them of their influence and voice in the world, they will want to return to these structures, but it will not work to return just like that, well, god , god, mr. sylvester, thank you very much for participating in my program today. thank you for your professional answers. it was sylvester nosenko, an analyst at the center for economic recovery and vita ukraine spoke mostly about the un and international organizations and their wide-ranging reaction to what is happening in ukraine to russian crimes. well, what about now?

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who have information and shape public opinion people who defend ukraine and create the future right now the main and interesting thing in the program is the verdict of serhiy rudenko from monday on fridays at 8:00 p.m. repeat at 12:10 p.m. the world during the war returns to the espresso airwaves and also on youtube for those who watch theirs on youtube, i want to say that we now have 1900-190 people watching, thank you all very much as in the end, thank you to those who watch us on cable networks. well, i will remind you of that, i will show you the interim results of the vote, i will remind you of the question that we asked you on youtube on a channel created specifically for the world at war program, russia should stand trial for its crimes and three options

88% of the answers immediately consider after the war believes 10%, and 3% have their own version, but you can read your version in the comments, and after the program is finished, youtube will publish our program in itself, and we will move on. i am ready to introduce my next guest, this is andrii vigirinskyi, a political expert mr. andrii, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine , glory to the heroes. good day. i'm glad to see you. i'm also very glad to see you. fumiyo kishida about china and china's nuclear security guarantees, if you haven't read it, i won't ask this question, uh, look, i haven't read it, but you can ask questions, i'll ask them ok , so fumiyo kishida, the prime minister of japan said today well, considering the time difference with the land of the rising sun, it was still such a morning in our country, so he said

that it seems that i remember that in 2013. these are his words , not a quote. concluded an agreement and in accordance with this by agreement, china will be, well, these are my words, and in fomiyo kisito said that yes , butsing is guaranteed, i guarantee the safety of ukraine in the event of a nuclear attack by any country, what do you think about it, or could it be ? on the internet, i really found this agreement, there really was this statement, but then there were a lot of comments on this statement, and in those comments they said that this statement would be changed, then the reda was talking about it, and in the final version of it, which was released, there is no longer what he said today in fomiyo kisida what

china offers us a nuclear umbrella in general, what is it, just china, as china’s intention, what do you think about it, or how serious and important is this guarantee for us, if it really exists, and why has no one in ukraine told us about it until now today in fomiya kisida said about this, well, look why they didn’t say because words are meaningless for those who well , the agreement of the 13th year between the government of ukraine, as if the president of ukraine, well, the government of the universal category was also used admissibly by representatives of china why because because china is a country that joined the obligations that were determined by the budapest memorandum, well, that is, there were signatories and there were countries that joined the relevant agreement, and china was one of them, and that well, this is a document that is much older than the events of 2013. without specific content, we are talking about statements, memoranda or , let's say, declarations that are signed here and they do not become part of our national

legislation or the legislation of china, they do not entail any obligations, but as the consequence is that viktor fedorovych yanukovych is signing what was signed in budapest as the fixation of ukraine's nuclear weapons, yes , it has already lost its relevance from the point of view , and of course we can, and at the level of diplomacy, we hunt china as a superpower on planet earth, which in is generally interested in peaceful coexistence as an entity that can, let's say, join the initiative related to the initiatives related to the support of ukraine, but china still proceeds from the pragmatic interests of its own and these pragmatic interests are precisely demonstrated in his political position and verbal commitments or verbal declarations against who made which commitments , they generally did not turn us away from russian armed aggression. borussia was the same country that also made certain commitments and therefore there is no point in raising this issue in rhetoric, because it will most likely

lead us to a deeper conflict or, let's say , the formation of a mood among the population of a negative nature in relation to the people's republic of china, what about ukraine strictly speaking, not interested , not interested from the point of view of the economy , because china was arbitrary until the active phase of the 22nd year, one of our key trade and economic partners. character, china remains one of the key partners, well, precisely in trade and economic activity for us, we are not interested in aggravating relations with china so much as to stop together with him well, let's say at least international trade. we cannot afford to repeat the path taken by one of the baltic countries, he noted, by opening a representative office in taiwan. well, if they opened a taby representative office, they would have no problems. and how did they open a

taiwanese representative office? china reacted on this, in principle, proportionately and asymmetrically crossing out just this country and, let's say, the countries of importers and exporters, well, in terms of trade and economic relations, if ukraine is ready to go this way, then you need to understand where the 30% of grain exports that creaking through the grain corridor will float or float at all and then under such conditions we cannot count on the position of china, which is the only country as of today that is able to maintain communication with russia within the framework of potential negotiation processes or within the framework of those processes in the negotiations that are taking place today and we actually want some kind of positive participation of china for us and china's position regarding the territorial integrity of ukraine, let's say for us it

is not a losing proposition, it is insufficient from the point of view the expectations of ukrainians and the aspirations of ukrainians, but she does not object to the fact of territorial integrity and sovereignty of ukraine within the sovereign borders, plus she does not recognize the new territorial possessions of the russian federation , therefore inciting hatred towards another country which is not a country like iran or north korea, from the point of view of its scale, is harming national interests, and i think that the reason is enough , well, at least not to take all parts of such steps, well, andrei, i am not saying to incite hatred i'm just saying what to mention about this relation to you i'm talking about the information line, you understand, you can take it we are not talking with you about the analytics that we are discussing with you, yes, that is, there is a general general information policy in this general information policy, you can sow certain theses later these theses will be broadcast on the air of national telethons, their amorphous or , let's say, without initiative, will be picked up by other information resources that try to move within the fairway that

is set by the state and thus formed a certain certain impression certain feelings and certain perceptions of society and this perception of society in the future is a limitation for the general state policy in the economic , energy, restorative and other sectors that are interesting for us from the point of view of strategy after the end of the war, we count on the role of the cast as a country that will accept participation in the restoration of ukraine and in investments, well, at least this was the official political rhetoric from the office of the president, and since we are interested in them, we cannot, let's say, form a negative image of the country in the future, according to our expectations, should come to ukraine as an investor or an entity that will restore our infrastructure on a voluntary basis . hmmm, or humanitarianly restore our infrastructure and so on. you misunderstood what i wanted to ask you. i want formats and i don't want anyone to form this negative attitude towards china, just today this statement was made by the prime minister of japan and i just wanted to say whether we can

use simply not to incite hatred towards china there or to stir up enmity just to use it to remind once again that there is such an agreement and that this agreement is possible china is indeed already using it and possibly putting pressure on ukraine i mean how can we use this agreement even more in communication bilaterally bilaterally or at special representative or at the level of communication with the president of china sisinpinium i think that our military-political leadership could mention these commitments as an argument in our favor that we recognize your your role your state your status on the planet yes we do not we object, at the same time we say we appeal to those commitments that were made to you as a guarantee and understanding that you cannot admissibly intervene there in our favor during the war or increase the supply of certain types of weapons, yes, because this

contradicts your foreign policy doctrine yes , are the relations with the russian federation at the same time? it is not something like that, it is, let's say, an incentive, an incentive to some specific actions. yes, from china's side, it is necessary to understand why japan actually declares the corresponding intention. japan plans to switch, say, from a demilitarized policy to a policy that does not actually provide for the military capability of the owner of the armed forces to well, let's say already a full-fledged policy because japan is a historical empire, an empire that had rather difficult, if i may say extremely bloody relations with china, and japan is a country located in the region where china is trying to absorb all those subjects that previously gravitated to japan and south korea or were in the field of landmarks and in the field

of interests of the united states. japan is the country that, let's say, is not going to be a subject subject to those who move in the shapers of china's policy, therefore, she and her captive, her political leaders working at the same time in the same emotional media and field and in the field of confrontation by the united states. she works on shaping the image of china, well, in a negative connotation. well, as threats. well, that's quite naturally, this corresponds to, well, in general, the geopolitical trends taking place in the south china sea and in view of the potential threat of escalation in issues in taiwan. but there are also the marshall islands and a whole set of issues related to the philippines, where china does not fulfill the decision of the court of international arbitration therefore well, this corresponds interactively to the image and this is a negative image of the people as a country that does not fulfill its obligations towards

china corresponds to the interests of japan in the first place, unfortunately, we are in this vein on the pretext well, no more, no less, well, that's understood, ap andriy, let's listen first. now, before i ask the next question directly to the minister of foreign affairs of the czech republic, ya nalipavsky, then the question: russia continues to expand the limits of its aggression, the detonation of the dam in nova kakhovka can be compared to the use of weapons of mass destruction against the civilian population , this cruelty will be condemned and punished . well, today, as i said, you have already heard. we asked the viewers who watch youtube the question. which is said by anna lipavskyi and not only him, by the way, when should these courts be held in your opinion, when should they be waited for, well, the question you asked, the viewer, in principle, i share the level of their voting because i am the

same ukrainian as them and in the same way are living this war on the territory of ukraine well, if the question is now for you as an expert, well, i will clarify now, i will move on to the expert opinion, that is, the question is emotional , when should she be punished well, immediately well, because the criminal or the one who commits aggression he must be punished well, the shortest possible time, or optimally, that it should be immediately after the commission of the crime, or even better, at the level of intentions, so that the criminal activity is stopped at the stage of the attempt. what is the emotional component and legal procedures or international legal procedures they do not work based on the aspirations of the injured party there they must be subject to certain regulations certain rules and certain procedure and here are the rules and procedures, this is just a colossal moment of disappointment, we are, in fact, ok, citizens - this is a separate

story, the institution, let's take the parliament of ukraine after the events of buchach well, on the initiative of the people's hearing p . the question between the international community about the formation of, let's say, an international tribunal capable of bringing the russian federation to criminal responsibility for crimes of aggression committed on the territory of ukraine as of today, this special tribunal has not been created, some countries are joining it, but not even all the countries that are in the plane of the rammstein format, we can talk with you about the element of international justice - this is an element of international justice - this is an international criminal court, that international criminal court who issued the warrant on the detention of the commissioner for the protection of children's rights in the russian federation and putin at the same time, the rules and procedures of this court do not provide

for the possibility of justice under in the absence of the accused, and here already our expectations and our wishes differ from the rules and procedures by which the international criminal court operates, and when we talk about it. strictly speaking, when the russian federation will stand before justice, unfortunately, it is necessary to complicate the dialogue with the public and talk about which one the format of the court we say if we are talking about an international criminal court then accordingly the answer will be like this then when putin will be brought to court when it will happen no one can say if we we are talking about the absentee format, convicted, yes, that is, in the absence of the defendant, the suspect was seen, then a special tribunal is needed, that special tribunal, which has not yet been created and has not been created, is due to a whole set of er problems. well, and the power of a whole set of circumstances, and these circumstances. of countries that should join the initiative to create and take responsibility and obligations

for the prosecution of these persons in 5 years in 10 years when the fog of war clears yes and maybe let's say urgency after the war, it will disappear from the information space , but they will be obliged to prosecute russian war criminals and such countries. unfortunately, i don't think it reaches four dozen, 34 or 35. the situation is such that aspirations are connected with bringing to justice because there is something for it. territory of ukraine and it is obvious for us as well as for part of the world that the leaders of the country who determine the political and military course should bear responsibility for these crimes, but at the same time, if we look at the situation in the dry balance, we can say that we have advanced particularly intensively in the direction

of this attraction to responsibility unfortunately unfortunately well, here, let's say , the priority role is not so much international norms as the national interests of the governments of countries that even verbally support ukraine. aware of the fact that russia from the planets from the map of the planet earth will not disappear, the political leadership that exists today at the level of the russian federation, all of them are fully all participants in war crimes and crimes of aggression on the territory of ukraine, and to start the corresponding process is actually to cut off the possibility of a certain form of interaction with by the russian federation after the end of the war, realizing that the regime in it is most likely . well, it is possible that putin will not be at the head there, but it will be people close to putin or those who , like him, should be on the bench the defendants are so in the international tribunal, that is why our expectations are emotional, they are justified because

we are victims of aggression, but the expectations or possibilities of the international system of criminal prosecution are limited, and this is a limitation . actually, she is disappointed because we do not get the result and the desire for punishment restoration of justice in relation to persons who commit crimes every day and destroy our country, well, unfortunately , you know that, continuing what you said, that even the leaders understand that russia will not disappear from the map last week, the chancellor of germany offshol said that everyone who thinks that russia will disappear should think about the fact that an ocean will not suddenly appear between us, between germany and europe and russia, which is simply known to us and he is really absolutely right, you see uses a little different verbal forms, well, they are related well, in principle, with the same yes, but just packs it into some kind of softer form if arestovych also told us somewhere in my opinion, in israel, some

geography. do not change, well, what are the plans individual figures did not paint about how they plan to carry out the reform of the russian federation. in order to carry it out, the regime must be overthrown on its battlefield, that is, on its territory in moscow, and then we can talk about the establishment of external management, distribution, well change of territorial swords and so on. and i have such goals , well, that is, despite the fact that this is a very nice thought for each of us, but you and i have not heard such goals either from germany, from france, or from the united states, after all, see look, now i have another question in the continuation of this, we did not hear such goals, but also see the 11th package of anti-russian sanctions in europe . oh, how difficult it is to go. well, it does not go at all, it has stopped . last week, there were several meetings in order to agreed and stopped, everything is related

to this, well, no , i think that the 11th package of sanctions is simply hitting the economic interests of individual countries. the toolkit does not work why? because there is always information and there is always an investigation about how the russian federation has the ability to circumvent the sanctions that were introduced at the level of the previous 10 packages, and it circumvents them using legal entities that are registered in the countries of the european union as well as in countries that are not members of the european union, but cooperate quite calmly with them and have trade and economic relations, which means that public publicity is given information that the sanctions are not so effective, yes, as one would like it, and after some time, that is, after a year, they actually do not slow down the ability of the russian federation, at least there in terms of the production of certain elements of the military-industrial complex, they noticed that somewhere in the rhetoric of our information campaign, the topic

that in the russian federation has two or three launches of missiles left, and on the contrary, we are talking about the fact that they are producing, but they are producing somehow less and they are producing within 70 possible volleys of calibers there from the channels and other eh and of other missiles per month, although the expectation was from the sanctions that, in fact, technological starvation would deprive russia of the ability to carry out such production, and as a result, the moment begins related to the fact that it is necessary to reflect , react and limit the possibilities of circumventing the sanctions, and that is, in fact, to stop the parallel import of contraband and all other things, the mechanisms of which are known, and even more so, which have already been described by journalists, this is not about intelligence - it is not about special services of the structure that should monitor the mechanisms of circumventing sanctions, specifically already journalistic investigation must be reflected. but this is a reflection, it already affects not only the relations of europe, it also affects these mediator countries. well, as for ukraine , mediators, they are not parties

to aggression, yes. that is, it is not belarus, which can be cut off just like the russian federation, it is a neuron that is located like this under the international sanctions of the united nations, these will already be the countries of turkey, the united arab emirates, these will be the saudis, these will be the countries of central asia, kazakhstan, or kazakhstan well it seems that in the negotiation process it was possible to reach an understanding and kazakhstan internally limited the issues related to conducting financial transactions with the russian federation and, accordingly, through its banks, well, with the countries of the european union, at the same time, commodity imports that pass through the territory of kazakhstan yes , and it concerns household consumption, yes, or consumer the needs of the russian federation, it is happening that concerns the united councils of all the emirates and turkey. well, that's another problem. well, the weather will worsen relations between the countries of the european union and directly already that ugu, countries such as greece

, countries such as bulgaria, countries such as hungary, on which the vote for the sanctions package also depends, they need a complex vote, they somehow support the restrictions that even if we are talking about greece, which concerns oil, they maintain economic ties with the russian federation by maintaining fixed prices. well, for example, they don't want to go too, with such interests of theirs. the inhibition occurs due to the fact that the pragmatic interest of the country unfortunately prevails over the valuable element , but it was expected and, as a matter of fact, andriy, we still have a minute left. and here you say it was expected and they are just slowing down. is there any mechanism within the eu that well, if you don’t press, then at least motivate them to support these restrictions of ukraine, the leader of the eu , such as france, germany, they are just looking for these levers. yes, and these levers are usually found

in the provision of other guarantees where you can make money let's call it the countries that are losing from trade relations with the russian federation, such an important one, let's say from hungary, we had the construction of, in my opinion, three e-e corridors, and well , there were also gas pipelines and, accordingly , an oil pipeline, which should be implemented with the funds of the european union by 2017 and accordingly, hungary will become independent from the point of view of logistics , namely the delivery of the infrastructural possibility of delivering energy carriers, and at the same time, hungary and bulgaria are not able to give up the atom in the same way as france does not know 15 minutes oh i apologize for a second. there are critical areas in which compensation, even of a financial nature , is not able to cover the needs of the country , well, that is, france will not refuse - will not refuse the enriched orang supplied from the russian federation simply because, well, it is impossible with technological point of view for her once and at the great sacrifice of excessive costs short-term prospects

i understood that we must complete because time is inexorable interesting and heard a lot of interesting opinions. i will quickly tell you the results of the vote. so 444 people did not answer the question. russia should stand trial for its crimes immediately 84% think after the war 12% think, and your option 4% your option can read in the comments on youtube well, this is the end of an interesting program with interesting experts, the world during the war, we will meet next week with other topics and other experts, and now the broadcast of the espresso tv channel continues, my charming colleague anna eva melnyk and news service thank you