[000:00:00;00] will also specifically advocate for some country to enter instead of russia and build a coalition around it, then this will also be an interesting decision, by the way, if we started talking about africa, i was not going to ask you this question either, but you are pushing me to it. tell me, please. and your vision of this african initiative for peaceful settlement, they are called peaceful settlement of the conflict, which in ukraine we call it obviously russian and the end of the russian war. what do you think? how do you feel about this peace initiative? then this african initiative, within the framework of which there will probably be a visit of several african presidents of african states to ukraine and russia at once this month, it will concern not so much political and economic, because it is clear that at first

the blatant step of russia's invasion is a shock to the world politically, but the longer the war continues, the more it affects the economic interests of various countries, including africa , which is interested in the uninterrupted supply of food and fetilizer, it is chemical fertilizers in our country, in particular potassium fertilizers, which are produced in russia no, because of various points connected in particular with the sanction, not by the sanctions themselves, but by the sanction points around the transportation of these things to the african state, complications and this for them, er, causes enormous damage to the economy and to well-being , so they will speak in this regard, and i i would advise ukrainian diplomats

, if they have such an opportunity to listen and consider the opinion, to also look at the relations with african states in the latin language of the res. goods, and if we establish an economic dialogue, we will strengthen the circulation of goods, our economic presence, but on this basis, over time, it will be possible to say that ukraine is more present than russia. that is, it is not such a track , at first russia is thrown out of everyone , including from africa, there is ukraine takes its place, and at first ukraine increases the attention of africa to itself and in parallel squeezes russia and russia even squeezes itself with its children, if it is all argued correctly, then these tracks can be parallelized and there 10 years later this ukraine can already be much more visible than the other russia , well, that would be very good, and, sir, a question for you today. well, they have already talked about such a will, perhaps not a will, on my part.

of other international organizations. do you think that this could be a consequence of the western bureaucracy? of the international committee of the red cross, if you remember the words andriy yarmak said in an interview with mr. komarov, well, we understand that within the framework of the program "the world inside out", he illustrated everything perfectly. the russian troops from russia with the necessary protection so that they can see with their own eyes what is happening there. well, these security measures , you know, this is such a thing that is characteristic of a very european country, that is, they are as careful as possible, this is the difference with the americans who are ready to come to ukraine for a long period without any food security there and europeans who are close to doing this are not ready , but again, international organizations are not the kind of structures that, you know, can hit

the table with their fists and impose some terrible sanctions on russia, they can exclude russia, limit its participation, deprive it of observer status, stop participating in various projects, and it can be seen that as of last year, russia was excluded from 42 international structures . i think this list will expand and again, when the russians will understand after the war that this is a real diplomatic failure. will this deprive them of their influence and voice in the world? they will want to return to these structures, but it will not work just like that . well, god forbid, mr. sylvester, thank you very much for participating today in to my program. thank you for your professional answers . it was sylvester nosenko, an analyst at the center for economic recovery and vita ukraine . they talked mostly about the un and international organizations and their wide-ranging reaction to what is happening in ukraine on

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the war, considered by 10%, and 3% have their own option, but you can read your version in the comments, and also after youtube , upon completion of the program, will publish our program in itself , well, we are moving on. i am ready to introduce my next guest, this is andriy vigirinskyi , a political expert mr. andriy, i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes good day to you i'm glad to see you. i'm also very glad to see you. please tell me this question, which i just literally added. i don't know if you've read the information about the statement of the prime minister of japan , fumiya kishida, about china and security guarantees. china's nuclear if you haven't read it, i won't ask this question, eh, look, i haven't read it, but you can ask questions, i'll ask them ok , yes, fomiyo kishida, the prime minister of japan said today well, taking into account the time difference with the country of the sun, what is it like in us

there was still such a morning, so he said that it seems that in 2013, these are his words, not a quote. with this agreement, china will be, well, these are my words, and in fomiyo kisito said that yes, butsing guarantees the safety of ukraine in the event of a nuclear attack by any country, what do you think about it or could it be? this statement, but then there were a lot of comments on this statement, and in those comments they said that this statement would be the case, then reda was talking about it, and in its final version, which was released, there is no longer what he said today in fomiyo kisida, that china offers us a nuclear umbrella in general what do you think about it? how

serious and important is this guarantee for us, if it really exists, and why has no one told us about it in ukraine today? said well, look why they didn't say because the words are meaningless for those who well, the agreement of the 13th year between the government of ukraine, as if the president of ukraine, well, the government of the universal category was used by the representatives of china. why because china is a country that joined the "yazan" which were determined by the budapest memorandum, well, that is, there were parties to sign and there were countries that joined the relevant agreement, and china was one of them, and that well, this is a document that is much older than the events of 2013 , commitments without specific content, and we are talking about statements memorandums or shall we say declarations that are signed here and they do not become part of our national legislation or the legislation of china, they do not entail any obligations and as

a result what we sign viktor fedorovich yanukovych what was signed in budapest as fixing the nuclear disarmament of ukraine, yes, it has already lost its relevance from the point of view of reality, and of course we can, and at the level of diplomacy, we appeal to china as a super-country and a super-power on planet earth, which is generally interested in peaceful coexistence , as a subject that can well, let's say, join the initiative related to the initiatives related to the support of ukraine, but china still proceeds from its own pragmatic interests, and these pragmatic interests are precisely demonstrated in its political position and verbal commitments or verbal declarations about who made which commitments, they generally did not turn us away from russian armed aggression, because russia was the same country that also made certain commitments, and therefore there is no point in raising this issue in rhetoric, because it will most likely lead us to

a deeper conflict or, let's say, the formation of a mood among the population of a negative nature in relation to the people's republic of china, in which ukraine is actually not interested, not interested from the point of view of the economy, because china was arbitrary until the active phase of the 22nd year by one of our key trade and economic partners. and actually speaking, even within the limited external economic cooperation that ukraine has as a specialized world due to the limitation of the logistical nature, china remains one of the key partners. relations with china to the point of ending with it well, let's say at least international trade. we cannot afford to repeat the path that one of the countries took the baltic states opened such a representative office and ivaniv. well, if they had opened a taby representative office, they would not have had any problems. and when they opened a taiwanese representative office, china reacted to

this, in principle, proportionately and asymmetrically , by simply deleting this country and from, say , the countries of importers, exporters of e- in terms of trade and economic relations, if ukraine is ready to go this way, then it is necessary to understand where the 30% of grain exports that squeak through the grain corridor are going to go, or go at all and then, under such conditions, we cannot count on the position of china , which is the only country as of today that is able to maintain communication with russia within the framework of potential negotiation processes or within the framework of those processes in the negotiations that are taking place today. and we actually want some kind of positive participation of china for us and china's position regarding the territorial integrity of ukraine , let's say for us, it is not a losing proposition, it is insufficient from the point of view of the expectations of ukrainians and the aspirations of ukrainians, but it does not

deny the fact of territorial integrity and the sovereignty of ukraine within its sovereign borders, plus it does not recognize the new territorial acquisitions of the russian federation, therefore inciting hatred towards another country which, well , is not a country like iran or north korea, from the point of view of its scale, is harming national interests, and i think that's why i'm smart enough not to take such steps, at least to the whole part of them, andrii i'm not saying to incite hatred, i'm just saying to mention this relationship to you, i'm talking about the information line, you understand, you can take it, we don't we are talking with you about the analytics that we are discussing with you, yes, that is, there is a general general information policy, in this general information policy you can sow certain theses, then these theses will be broadcast on the air of national telethons, their amorphous or, let's say, without initiative , other information resources that are trying to move will be picked up within the fairway, which is set by the state, and thus a certain certain impression, certain feelings and certain perceptions of society will be formed. and this perception

of society is a limitation in the future for general state policy in the economic, energy, restorative and other sectors , which are interesting strategies for us after the end of the war ? since we are interested in them, we cannot , let's say, form a negative image of the country, which, in the future, should, according to our expectations, enter ukraine as an investor or as a subject, which will be on a voluntary basis hmm, is it humanitarian to restore our infrastructure, that is, you misunderstood what i wanted to ask you? i am not forming this and i do not want to form and i do not want anyone to form this negative attitude towards china, just today this statement was made by the mouth of the prime minister of japan and i just wanted to say whether we can't use it just not to incite hatred towards china or

enmity there just use it once again to remind that there is such an agreement and that this agreement is possible china and indeed already her uses and possibly puts pressure on ukraine. i mean, how can we use this agreement even more in bilateral bilateral communication or at the level of a special representative or at the level of communication with the president of china sisinpinium i think that our military and political leadership could have mentioned these obligations as an argument in our favor that we recognize your your role your state your status on the planet yes we do not deny this at the same time we will say we appeal to those obligations that were undertaken to you as a guarantee and understanding that you cannot is it permissible to intervene there in our favor during the war or to increase the supply of certain types of weapons to us yes because this contradicts the creative foreign policy doctrine yes or relations with the russian federation at the same time we

count on cooperation with you in view of the commitments made but again after all, this is rhetoric, this is rhetoric, what exactly? well, it should sound, it sounds, it is reflected in official documents, but it is not something like that, it is, let's say , inciting inciting to some specific actions. yes, on the part of china, it is necessary to understand that why does japan actually declare the corresponding intention? japan plans to move from, let's say, a demilitarized policy to a policy that does not actually provide military capability, the owner of the armed forces, to a full-fledged policy. relations with china and japan is a country that is located in the region where china is trying to absorb all those entities that previously gravitated towards japan and south korea or were in the field

landmarks and in the field of the interests of the united states, japan is the country that , let's say, is not going to be a subject subject to those who move in the shaper of china's policy, so it and well, it is its political leaders working at the same time in the same emotional media and field and in the field of confrontation between the united states. she is working on shaping the image of china, well, in a negative connotation. well, as threats. a potential threat of escalation in issues in taiwan. but there are also the marshall islands and a whole set of issues related to the philippines, where china does not comply with the decision of the international arbitration court, therefore, in a negative image. and this is a negative image of people as a country that does not fulfill its the obligation towards china corresponds to the interests of japan first of all, unfortunately, we are in this vein

, uh, well, it is a reason well, to be no more, no less , well, it is understood ap andriy, let's listen first now, before i put the next question to the direct language of the minister of foreign affairs of the czech republic, nalipavsky, then the question: russia continues to expand the limits of its aggression, the detonation of the dam in nova kakhovka can be compared to the use of weapons of mass destruction against the civilian population, this cruelty will be condemned and punished. to the viewers who watch on youtube, the question : when should these trials be, this is the punishment that anna lipavsky is talking about, and not only him , by the way, when should these trials be on your opinion, when should we wait for them, well, the question that you asked, e.e., the viewer, in principle, i share the level of their voting because i am the same ukrainian as they are and are experiencing this war on the territory of ukraine in the same way. well

, if the question is now, the question is for you as an expert well, i’ll just clarify now, i’ll go to the expert opinion, that is, the question is emotional , when should she be punished? well, immediately . well, because the criminal or the one who commits aggression, he must be punished. immediately after the commission of the crime or or even better at the level of intentions before the criminal activity was stopped at the stage of the attempt and from the point of view of emotion this is absolutely true from the point of view there is simply a moment which consists in the fact that the emotional component and legal procedures or international legal procedures they do not work based on the aspirations of the injured party , they must be subject to certain regulations, certain rules and a certain procedure. and here are the rules and procedures, this is just a colossal moment of disappointment.

in fact, we are ok, citizens - this is a separate story, the institution, yes, let's take the parliament of ukraine after the events of buchach. well, for the initiative of the people's hearing p to georgiyovych gramia and for the vote of all parliamentary factions, well, a year ago, we initiated the issue between the pre-international community about the formation of, well , let's say, an international tribunal capable of attracting the russian federation to criminal liability for crimes of aggression committed on the territory of ukraine , as of today, this special tribunal has not been established, individual countries are joining him, but not even all the countries that are in the plane of the rammstein format, we can talk with you about the element of international justice, this is an element of international justice - this is the international criminal court, the international criminal court that issued the arrest warrant for the commissioner for the protection of children's rights in the russian federation and putin, at the same time, the rules and procedures of this court do not provide for the possibility of justice in the absence of the accused, and here already our expectations and our wishes diverge from

the rules and procedures according to which it exists the international criminal court is functioning and when we talk about it. strictly speaking, when the russian federation will appear before justice, unfortunately, it is necessary to complicate the dialogue with the public and talk about what format of the court we are talking about. if we are talking about the international criminal court, then the answer will be as follows when putin will be brought to court, when it will happen, no one can say, if we are talking about the format of the convicted in absentia , yes, that is, in the absence of the defendant, we see the suspect, then we need a special the tribunal is a special tribunal that has not yet been created and has not been created due to a whole set of er problems. well, because of a whole set of circumstances and these circumstances. they are in the plane of the interests of the countries that should join the initiative to create and take responsibility and obligations efforts to prosecute these persons in 5 years

, in 10 years, when the fog of war clears yes, and perhaps, let's say, the urgency of war, it will disappear from the information space , but they will be obliged to prosecute russian war criminals and unfortunately, in my opinion, it does not reach the four dozen 34 or 35 there when either this calculation leads and this institution does not exist, and the situation in our country is such that aspirations are connected with bringing to responsibility because there is something for which and we with last week and during the last year and a half, we have been observing the totality of crimes committed by the russian federation on the territory of ukraine, and it is obvious to us , as it is to other parts of the world , that it is the leaders of the country who determine the political military course, but at the same time, if it remains dry, well, look at the situation. we can say that we have made particularly intensive progress in the direction of this prosecution

, unfortunately, unfortunately. well, here international norms and national interests of the governments of countries that even verbally support ukraine play a role, let's say, a priority role. aware of the fact that russia from the planets from the map of the planet earth will not disappear, the political leadership that exists today at the level of the russian federation, it is all completely all participants war crimes and crimes of aggression on the territory of ukraine and to start the corresponding process is actually cutting off the possibility of a certain form of interaction with the russian federation after the end of the war, realizing that the regime in it is more likely than anything . well, maybe it will not be putin at the head, but it will be people close to putin or those who , like him, should be on the dock and at the international tribunal, that's why our expectations are emotional, they are justified because we are victims of aggression, but the expectations or

possibilities of the international criminal justice system prosecutions are limited and this limitation is actually disappointing because we do not get the result and the desire to punish the restoration of justice in relation to persons who commit crimes every day and destroy our country. said that which leaders understand that russia will not disappear from the map of the earth, it seems. last week, chancellor of germany offshol said that everyone who thinks that russia will disappear should think about what is between us, between germany and europe and russia there will not suddenly appear an ocean that is simply known to us and this is really absolutely right uh, you see, he uses slightly different verbal forms, well, they are related well, in principle, with the same thing yes, but he simply packages it in some kind of softer form if the geography of us arestovych also told somewhere in my opinion that in israel, geography will not change something, that is, what plans did individual figures, uh, they did not draw about how they

plan . his battlefield, well, that is, on his territory in moscow, and then we can talk about the establishment of external management, the distribution, well, the change of territorial matches, and so on. goals, neither from germany nor from france, nor from the united states, in the end, look, look, i have another question in the continuation of this, we did not hear such goals, but also see the 11th package of anti-russian sanctions in europe. oh, how hard it is going. he doesn't go stalled. last week, several meetings were held in order to agree on it, and they stopped it. it's all related to this. well, no, i think that the 11th package of sanctions is simply hitting the economic interests of individual countries. that is, we're getting deeper.

that is, you understand to take a passive position that we 10 have accepted everything we have exhausted the entire toolkit it doesn't work it doesn't work why because information is constantly appearing and investigations are constantly appearing about how the russian federation has the opportunity to circumvent the sanctions introduced at the level there the previous 10 packages, and she bypasses them using legal entities that are registered both in the countries of the european union and in countries that are not members of the european union, but quite calmly cooperate with them and have trade and economic relations, which means that public publicity is provided with information about the that the sanctions are not as effective as we would like, and after some time, that is, after a year, they actually do not slow down the ability of the russian federation, at least there in terms of production certain elements of the military-industrial complex noticed that somewhere in the rhetoric of our information campaign, the topic of the fact that the russian federation has two or three launches of missiles left, and on the contrary, it is about the fact that

, yes, they produce, but they produce somewhat less and produce there within 70 possible volleys of calibers there from channels and other e-e and other missiles per month, although the expectation was from sanctions that in fact technological starvation would deprive russia of the opportunity to carry out such production and as a result, well, it begins the moment is connected with the fact that it is necessary to reflect, react and limit the possibilities of circumventing sanctions, yes, that is, to actually stop the parallel import of contraband and all other things, the mechanisms of which are known, and even more so, which are already described by journalists, this is not about intelligence - it is not about special services the structures that must monitor the mechanisms of circumvention of sanctions, specifically , the journalistic investigation must be reflected. but this reflection already affects not only the relations of europe, it affects everything of these mediating countries well, ukraine is mediating, they are apparently not parties to the aggression, yes. that is, it is not belarus, which

can be circumcised in the same way as the russian federation, it is not iran, which is under the international sanctions of the united nations, it will already be the countries of turkey and the united arab the emirates will plant it, it will be the countries of central asia for kazakhstan and kazakhstan well , it seems that in the negotiation process it was possible to reach an understanding and kazakhstan internally limited the issues related to the holding financial transactions with the russian federation and, accordingly, through its banks, well, with the countries of the european union, at the same time , commodity imports that pass through the territory of kazakhstan . turkey. well , that's another problem. well, what kind of weather will exacerbate relations between the countries of the european union and directly by that river, such countries as greece, such countries as bulgaria, such countries as hungary, which also depends on voting for sanctions packages, because they need