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to look into the week what in front of us, in order to at least be prepared for what can be expected, so for some of you, this is an unusual time for our program to be broadcast, we have changed this time since last monday, and this is approximately how we will always be broadcast now on the air because everyone who watches the world during the war who loves the world during the war and we love you all too, please remember that now we go on the air approximately from 13:00 well maybe until 13-10 depending on how it will be you can on the air in one word well, there is nothing new today. what professional guests will come to visit me, with whom i will talk professionally about what i would like to talk about, the questions that arose during the past week and may arise during the week that is ahead of us well, as always, everyone those of you who watch us on youtube, please remember us, the broadcast is on two

channels at once, in general espresso and on the channel i am about youtube on the channel that was created specifically for the sweet program during the war , so on this channel we are asking you to answer questions every week and this time is no exception today's question sounds like this russia should stand trial for its crimes three answer options also nothing surprising immediately after the end of the war and your option well and eyes that's why i put it the question to you, of course, is because of what the rashists did on the sixth of last week, the undermining of the hopka dam, the dam at the kakhovsky hydroelectric power station, and if you add to that all the other crimes that the rashists committed during this invasion of ukraine, which began on february 24 of last year, this is exactly the question here

and it is urgent when she must stand trial for her crimes, and now i want to tell you that now we are being watched on a special youtube channel that was created for the world during the war 570 people i thank you all for joining and we already have answers to the questions 93 people gave their answers immediately russia should answer for its crimes 83% of the viewers believe that after the war 14% and 3% of the viewers have their own opinion, but their opinion can be read in the comments or already at the end when the youtube program publishes and you will be able to watch everything. well, so am i. thank you to all those who joined us on the espresso tv channel, at least where it was not turned off from the networks. thank you too. well, if our guest

is already here, this is a question for my charming host prompts that there is already, i can start today's broadcast so sylvester nosenko, analyst of the center for economic recovery and ukraine and sylvester congratulations to you thank you for joining glory to ukraine glory to the heroes congratulations to the studio thank you for the invitation panel i invited you only because you are the last last week i read your uh, your facebook, your telegram, and you wrote a lot . about the un , i really want to talk to you about the un. the un, you know, now everyone is listening, obviously after this kind of reaction, i would say weak reaction, i don't know a weak reaction , i don't know inaction, i don't know, i obviously mean the reaction to what the rashists did in nova kakhovka, so

let's go first mr. sylvester. listen to what after it seems a day after or maybe on the second day after a-and the same after the blowing up of the kakhov dam said the secretary general of the united nations antonio guterich let's listen to the salon tdi organization the united nations does not have access to independent information about the circumstances that led to the destruction of the kakhova hydroelectric dam, but one thing is clear. this is another devastating consequence of the russian invasion of ukraine. today's tragedy is another example of the terrible price of war for people. the floodgates of suffering have been overflowing for more than a year. this must stop . attacks on civilians and critical civilian infrastructure must stop we must act to ensure accountability and respect for

international humanitarian law above all i call for a just peace in accordance with the charter of the united nations organization of international law and the resolution of the un general assembly, i.e. these seem to be standard un comments. well , before i ask you a question , let's listen to a quote from the prime minister of estonia, k i kallas terrorist the state of russia has now turned water into a weapon destroying the kakhov dam is a war crime affecting countless civilians and leading to ecocide and mass destruction we must stop this cycle of aggression by helping ukraine to win and ensuring russia's full responsibility, well, mr. sylvester, look, returning from the second quote, mrs. kalla will say that we should help ukraine to respond, to respond in such cases , they help more precisely. such organizations as

the u.n. but in the first quote, well, we have not heard of this help plus uh, look immediately after what remained of ukraine, she managed to do it before russia, they called an emergency meeting of the united nations, but on my on my opinion. in my opinion, we seem to have lost at this meeting, that is, we really needed to speak. we should have spoken, but it seems that the votes there were somehow divided 50 to 50. first, there was no resolution, and secondly, there were countries that supported us very well. they condemned russia, but they did not condemn what russia did at the kakhovsky dam, and plus 50% of those who spoke, in particular, from african countries. they said, well, this is scary, this is scary. well, russia, no, benzene said so, here is my question to you, an emergency meeting

of the un security council on the explosion of the kakhovka hydroelectric plant. please tell me what kind of result it was for ukraine. thank you, mr. yury, for the question. when answering it, i would not look through the prism of the classic dephotomy that we love. betrayal . victory. is a national criminal law. if any crime happens and we are even its witnesses and we know for sure what happened, this still does not cancel the need to hold a court session and by a court decision to announce who is guilty as well happens with international crimes, that is, so that it does not happen, the international community will always try to conduct everything as objectively as possible, and it is cool that they were not present there at that moment in order to find out all the circumstances, so it will be much better for us if the international court of justice or the international criminal court will conduct an investigation and establish the culprits, and

based on the results of this, i will say that russia is guilty and must compensate ukraine for the damage, of course there is the position of estonia. well, you must understand that it is categorically in our favor, but this his political position is not an independent force, but simply the sum of all the positions of all the countries of the world. i cannot take such a position . that is, it is a little different what the head of the un says and what the head of a country from among those countries that support ukraine says. well, but still the result of this emergency meeting of the un security council, was it for ukraine, because look at the question that i also wanted to ask you, but a little later, but since i already got caught up in it, there is a meeting of the un security council , after which resolutions are adopted after that meeting of the security council, there was no resolution, that is, what we see, we just see that the parties spoke and voiced their position . and it seems to me, personally, as a citizen of ukraine, it seems

that russia at this emergency meeting of the un security council was in a more advantageous position than we are, it cannot be said that it was in winning position because no one openly said that ukraine did it. moreover, if you look at the previous words, in particular, the temporary measures imposed by the international court of justice in march of last year, it says that russia must stop those things that it is similar to in connection with the aggression against ukraine, that is, the whole world will understand, the whole world will understand that it was russia that committed the aggression, and in the appropriate direction it will be considered as an argument in favor of ukraine, why it was russia that committed it, and of course there will be an argument the international court or the international criminal court is very long, there will be a lot of legal and political issues that we will have to prove , but we cannot say for sure that russia has won . in general, it is still the primary stage of consideration

of the dispute if the security council could not reach it some kind of steps to invest some kind of final revolution, then this is just the first stage. and by the way, this happens quite often because the consent of nine members of the security council, including five permanent members, is required , and consent has not been observed for quite some time. - and accordingly, if it was not possible to resolve this conflict situation within the limits of the russian invasion in this way, then other mechanisms will be involved, international judicial institutions, continuing to ask you questions about the consent of the security council and why some final decisions are often not concluded why does the security council not agree, well, again, it is simply the arithmetic mean of the positions of all the states that are part of it, and if you look at when there was a consensus in the security council, it was in the 1940s when the united states had certain positions there after the second world war or the 90s, when

the cold war had not yet ended and the world was expecting such a general period of peace and prosperity, and again the positions of the united states were very strong now due to the fact that the forces of the united states, compared to other countries, were already, well, not so strong, another state is stronger, which will help themselves to allow some kind of disagreement because there is no such agreement in the security council, but this is not a reason to dissolve the security council or it at all . look, you have come to the next question that i wanted to ask you. it is not necessary to use and not call for liquidation, you can explain this, of course , i am very puzzled by the posts in some telegram publications, millionaire and where do they write why does this un exist at all and nothing more , no more arguments and just thousands comments from viewers i can understand this anger, and it often separates me very much that there are no

actions from international organizations, which we would really like, but we must understand that all international law is based on the united nations, which we can refer to by saying that russia violates it, and we can condemn russia for it, that is , if international law is beads from conventions and international agreements, then the organization of the united nations is a thread on which all these beads are strung. for example, the general the secretary of the un is the depository of 560 international conventions and agreements. this is a huge amount of legal material that simply would not exist if it were not. oh, there would be no convention on combating the financing of terrorism on the crime of genocide and other conventions against which we stand against russia. international judicial institutions must understand also that without the un as a universal international organization , it would simply turn into such

a regional fragment where the right of the strong operated , that is, the same russia without separate plans would plan in the cis states and no one could somehow er effectively intervene somehow in this to prevent that there were regional fragments exist on its own i go around the sleepy states on its own india with the state of south asia on its own africa on its own but look once again i apologize to you for being but it seems to me that russia is acting like that and the un is not doing anything now. let's start from 2014, when was the annexation of crimea , when was the invasion of donetsk and luhansk regions by the un? well, what did he do? this is also a reasonable question. i can only say that it is not necessary.

to have illusions about the roleon as a structure that can ensure global peace in the whole world. well, in the end, this idea is a doll, some kind of illusion and utopia , because there has never been a general peace in the world. i, as an internationalist, who studied international conflicts, can say that the world in the last 4,000 years 92% of the time was spent in war, and thanks to the un, we were able to avoid a world war, we saw two two world wars in only 20 years of the 20th century, and the task of the un was always not to prevent all wars, but to prevent wars between great powers that can simply to destroy the world taking into account nuclear weapons ion is doing it successfully thank god because regional conflict cannot be prevented there is always in all cases but to prevent them from spilling over to the ball level where it poses a threat to everyone this is the task and so far they are coping with it well let's hope that they will help us somehow, because it seems to me that, well, as a simple consumer

, as a citizen of ukraine, not as an international columnist of the espresso tv channel, when i look at what he does, i see what he does not do nothing wrong. i will also add in connection with your comment that the un was created for normal states that did not want a repetition of what happened during the second world war and remained so for a long time and why it is now so difficult to oppose russia because it was one of such normal states and the world recognized them as such because it defeated hitler 's germany together with the states of the western coalition and it was simply supposed to be like that. and russia simply hit this steam of international agreements, the conventions

that were widely concluded, that is, russia will still someday want to return to this family of normal nations. came out again to recognize the jurisdiction of international judicial institutions, which she now denies and so on , but there will already be a price for this, that is, she will not be able to return, what do you mean, if more specifically, what could this price be, that is, it is purely hypothetical in itself. moment something is happening in russia, well, the victory will be with us. obviously, ah, in russia, power is changing in russia, this is hypothetical options, russia is broken into some small particles, but then some one there, muscovy, for example, wants to return to the un, what price will she pay for this? that 's what you said of course, you can answer this question by drawing an analogy with croatia . if you remember, yugoslavia is falling apart . croatia is waging what seemed like a war of independence . that is, it is not similar in any way, but

at the same time, croatian generals are swindling military crimes in order for croatia to be able to enter the european union and become a full-fledged member, it had to extradite criminals among croatian generals, it sometimes went hard and with a creak because the nationalists came to power at that time in the 2000s, but in the end croatia fulfilled all the requirements of the international criminal court fulfilled the requirement of the international tribunal regarding the former yugoslavia, all criminals were extradited and russia successfully joined the european union, one way or another, will it remain as a single state or will it disintegrate, it will all be the same er, he will still have the motivation to do this, because without this, no lifting of sanctions, no restoration of membership in international structures simply will not be understood, that is an interesting analogy, really with croatia, i did not think about it. thank you for saying about it, well, let's

go back to the un and to that what do you write? you say that liquidation is not an option, but reorganization is a good option. it raised the level of justice in the organization because , as we understand them, the balance of power that existed after the second world war and is now has changed a lot. then the state was significantly less, and now such powerful powers as japan and india are rising, germany, brazil, argentina, etc., nigeria, south africa . this is probably the first list that comes to mind after the states that would like to be represented as permanent members of the basic council, but the thing is that , for example, if we exclude russia and if we replace it with some other responsible

state, for example, india , the issue of pakistan and the state of india will immediately arise. there are nigeria, south africa, brazil and argentina. and if, say, japan enters, ok, that’s how it plays, there will be complaints, why is it japan, it just requires a lot of diplomatic work , which, well , is difficult to invest. will russia retain its role there? i think that if china and the united states manage to reach some kind of agreement between themselves, what for example, to replace russia with india somehow, and as long as i somehow compensate for it, then in principle it will be a compromise option, because india is definitely an ally of neither china nor the united states there, and this is such a new balance. i see this as one of the options for getting out of the situation

. well, look, if at the initial stage you just take and cancel the legal, then these five permanent members of the security council, but look at canceling the legal one, there is such an option, and even recently the option was proposed by luxemburg, uh, it consists in the fact that now each exercise of the right to veto a permanent member of the un security council must explain the general assemblies to all states of the world, why exactly did he decide to apply this legal , of course there will be no legally binding mechanism for its cancellation, but this is something that will add or take away the legitimacy of this or that application of vet rules, and this is also a judge because again a normal state will want its decision to have legitimacy, to be supported in the world, especially if it is a state with global influence, so this is an essential thing

, well, look again, you say obligations. i have many representatives present in the hall, she explains, motivates, there is a vote, they vote, but then , of course, there is no one in the execution of this vote. i agree . yes, this is really a problem . - we can see that there is a significant increase if in the 14th it was 100 states and others abstained and did not want to express an official position because ties with russia are very important, but now it is already 140 plus per state. i think that this number will grow by conditions if we we will conduct proper diplomatic work with all of them, and are we conducting this proper diplomatic work now , in your opinion, i see very significant steps in this

direction. so our honorable minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, was on a tour of africa, which, unfortunately, was interrupted there due to again flagrant war crimes of russia but recently he made a new visit where he spoke with the leadership of the african union, which is such an analogue of the european union in africa and there really is this essential work being carried out . for example, ukraine understands that africa needs offer to solve not only ukrainian problems, but also to understand the interests of africa in general, suggested dmytro kuleba. he offered the african union support for ukraine in that the african union received membership in the big 20, and this is a very interesting proposal. i think that if ukraine goes further, for example, it will not only advocate the termination membership of russia in the un, and we will specifically advocate for some country to enter instead of russia and build a coalition around it, this

will also be an interesting decision, by the way, if we i was taught to talk about africa, i wasn’t going to ask you this question either, but you are pushing me to it. tell me, please. and your vision of this african initiative, uh, peaceful settlement, they are called peaceful settlement of the conflict, which in ukraine we call it obviously russian and the end of the russian war. what do you think? you should treat this peace initiative as i do , you must understand that tatiana's african initiative, within the framework of which will probably take place this month and under several presidents at once africa, african states to ukraine and russia, it will not concern economic politicians, because it is clear that at first there are blatant contests and invasions, and this is a shock for the world in political terms, but the longer the war lasts, the more it affects the economic interests of various works, including africa,

which is interested in the uninterrupted supply of food and fetilizer, we have chemical fertilizers , in particular potassium fertilizers, which are produced in russia. the transportation of these things to an african country is complicated and this for them causes great harm to the economy and to well-being, so they will speak in this regard, and i would advise ukrainian diplomats if they have such an opportunity to listen and consider the opinion, also watch ah on relations with african states in the latin rus of a political purpose because of the economic one , because this is the enormity of the consumer market for ukrainian goods, and if we establish an economic dialogue , we will increase the turnover of our economic presence, and on this basis over time it will be possible to say that ukraine is more present

than russia. that is, it is not such a track. first , russia is thrown out of everyone, including from africa, and ukraine takes its place, and at first , ukraine increases africa's attention to itself and squeezes russia in parallel and russia even squeezes itself out with its actions, if all this is argued correctly, then these tracks can be parallelized and there years later in 10 seconds - ukraine can already be significantly more visible than the other russia, well , that would be very good, and mr. selvestrom the last question to you for today well, we have already talked about such volition , perhaps involuntary well, the possibility of my vision of the reaction of the un, we can see the qualis reactions of the red cross organizations in many other international organizations. is it some kind of diplomacy that you talked about more or fear of russia anyway? i think a certain element of fear is present in particular in the international committee of the red cross if

you remember the words andriy yarmak said in an interview with mr. komarov, well, we understand within the framework of the program the world inside out , he illustrated everything perfectly there. well, it was suggested that the members of the international committee visit the relevant places on the line of contact with russian troops with russia, with the necessary security, so that they could see with their own eyes what is happening there. and these security measures, you know, this is a very european thing, that is, they are as careful as possible, this is the difference with americans who are ready to come to ukraine for a long period without any hiding places and european who are not ready to do this, but again, international organizations are not the kind of structures that, you know, can bang their fist on the table and impose some terrible sanctions on russia, they can exclude russia , limit its participation, deprive it of

observer status, stop participating in various projects, and that's it it is clear that as of last year, russia was excluded from 42 international structures . i think this list will expand again when the russians after the war understand that this is a real diplomatic failure. does this deprive them of influence and voice in the world, they will want to return to these structures, but it will not work just like that to return well, god forbid, god forbid , mr. sylvester , thank you very much for participating in my program today. mostly about the un as well as international organizations and their such a cool reaction to what is happening in ukraine to russian crimes. well, now, according to the rules of television, we are forced to go for a few minutes of advertising, but necessarily