[000:00:00;00] observer to stop participating in various projects, and it is clear that as of last year, russia was excluded from 42 international structures . i think this list will expand again when the russians understand after the war that this is a real diplomatic failure. does this deprive them of their influence and voice in the world they will want to return to these structures, but it will not work to return simply like that well, god forbid, mr. sylvester, thank you very much for participating in my program today. thank you for your professional answers. this was sylvester nosenko, an analyst of the center of economic recovery and vita ukraine spoke mostly about the un and international organizations and their weak reaction to what is happening in ukraine to russian crimes. well, now, according to the rules of television, we are forced to leave for a few minutes of advertising, but be sure to go back to that that there is still a very

interesting guest ahead and a lot of interesting topics, so see you, watch this week's program collaborators traitors from the south as a melitopol blogger is looking for a rich russian life open in general towards russia. who and how intimidates teachers and doctors in the city of gola prystan, watch the premiere on wednesday, june 14 at 5:45 p.m., the program of collaborators with olena kononenko on the espresso tv channel, de-occupation, how to live, live without fools, it is possible, unsurpassed, the history of the liberated cities of ukraine, gone let's see how our brothers helped us, they freed us from the normal technique of pro-russian inhumans, it was scary, it was very scary every day. they burned one by two houses and ukrainian people, the nazis are here

. so here we are, all the nationalists of the people who did the resistance residents came here stopped and sent back and became heroes the novel was always ukraine about unbreakable cities of ukraine from the ukrainer project in the documentary series de-occupation that on saturdays at 11:10 on espresso andriy yanitsky keeps the economy under surveillance yes we are talking about economic news on the espresso channel but this it's not about dry numbers and arrogant terms, it's about the economy, it's about the ability to analyze, forecast and get a profit , but what will be the exchange rates of salaries and pensions and how will product prices change information about everything that affects our wallet, and informed means armed, watch the economic news project with andrii yanitsky on weekdays at 8:10 on espresso, the world

during the war returns to the espresso broadcast and also on youtube for those who watch theirs on youtube, i want to say what we are watching now is 1900 190 one person thanks you all very much as in the end thank you to those who watch us on cable networks well, i will remind you of that, i will compare the interim results of the vote, i will remind you of the question that we asked you on youtube on on a channel created specifically for the world at war program, russia should stand trial for its crimes and the three answer options are immediately considered by 88% after the war , considered by 10%, and 3% have their own option, but you can read your own option in the comments and after youtube at the end of the program, he will publish our program in himself, well, and we are moving on. i am ready to introduce my next guest, this is andriy vigirinskyi

, a political expert. mr. andriy, i congratulate you . glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. good day , i am glad to see you. i am also very glad to see you. please tell me this question, which i just literally added, i don't know if you have read the information about the statement of the prime minister of japan , fumiya kishida, about china and china's nuclear security guarantees, if you haven't read it, i won't ask this question, look, i haven't i read, but you can ask questions, i'll ask ok, so fomiyo kishida, the prime minister of japan, said today well, taking into account the time difference with the country of the rising sun, it was still such an early morning in our country, so he said about making it seem like i remember that in 2013 it's his the words are not a quote. but approximately in 2013, the president of ukraine , yanukovych, as well as sieden-pin concluded an agreement, and according to this agreement, china will be, well, these are my words, and in

fomiyo kisito said that yes, butsing guarantees my safety ukraine in the event of a nuclear attack by any country , what do you think about it or could it be well, i re- i looked again in the morning, i looked on the internet, i really found this agreement, there really was this statement , but then there were a lot of comments on this statement and in those comments they said that we would be this one reda's statement then changed, and in the final version of it that was released , there is no longer what he said today in fomiyo kisida that china offers us a nuclear umbrella in general , that it's just china, as china's intention, what do you think about it, or how much is it for we are serious and it is important to have such a guarantee, if it really exists, and why has no one in ukraine spoken about it so far in ukraine, today in fomiya kisida said about it, well, look, why didn’t they say, because the words are meaningless for those who, well, it doesn’t

matter the agreement 13- th year between the e-e government it is as if the president of ukraine, well, the government of the universal category was used by representatives of china. why? because china is a country that joined the obligations that were defined by the budapest memorandum , well, that is, there were parties to sign and there were countries that joined the relevant agreement, and china was one of them. and that well, this is a document that is much older than the events of 2013 , commitments without specific content , we are talking about statements, memoranda, or let's say declarations that are signed yes, and they are not become part of our national legislation or the legislation of china, they do not entail any obligations , and as a result, what viktor fedorovich yanukovych signs, what was signed in budapest as a fixation of the nuclear disarmament of ukraine, yes , from the point of view of reality, it has already lost its relevance and we, of course we can, and at the level of diplomacy, we appeal to china as

a super-country and a super-state on planet earth, which is generally interested in peaceful coexistence, as a subject that can, well, let's say join to the initiative related to the initiative related to the support of ukraine, but china still proceeds from its own pragmatic interests, and these pragmatic interests are precisely demonstrated in its political position and verbal commitments or verbal declarations against who made which commitments in general, they did not turn us away from russian armed aggression, borussia was the same country that also made certain commitments, and therefore there is no point in raising this issue in rhetoric, because it will most likely lead us to a deeper conflict, or rather the formation of a negative mood among the population in relation to the people's republic of china, in which ukraine is strictly speaking not interested not interested from a dynamic point of view because china was arbitrary until the active phase of the 22nd year as one of our key trade and economic

partners and actually speaking even in within the limits of the limited external economic cooperation that ukraine has as a specialized world, the power of limiting the logistical nature of china remains one of the key partners, namely in trade and economic activity for us, we are not interested in aggravating relations with china so much as to stop with it. well, let's say at least international trade. we cannot afford to repeat the path taken by one of the baltic countries . if they opened a taby representative office, they would have no problems. and when they opened a taiwanese representative office, china reacted to it in principle proportionally and asymmetrically by simply deleting this country and, say, the countries of importers exporters, well, in terms of trade and economic relations, if ukraine is ready to go this way, then it is necessary to understand where those 30%

of grain exports, which squeak through the grain corridor, will they float or will they float at all, and then under such conditions, we cannot count on the position of china as the only country as of today that is able to maintain communication with russia within the framework of potential negotiation processes or within the framework of those processes in the negotiation rooms that are taking place today. and we actually want some kind of positive participation of china for us and china's position regarding the territorial integrity of ukraine, let's say for us, it is not a losing proposition, it is insufficient from the point of view of the expectations of ukrainians and the aspirations of ukrainians, but it does not deny the fact of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of ukraine within the sovereign borders, plus it does not recognize the new territorial possessions of the russian federation therefore, inciting hatred towards another country that is not a country such as iran or north korea in terms of

its scope is harming national interests, and i think that therefore, i have the sense not to take such steps, at least to the whole part of them, well, andriy, i am not saying to incite hatred, i am simply saying to mention a little about this relationship to you, i am talking about the information line, you understand, you can take it we are not talking with you about the analytics that you and i are discussing, yes, that is, there is a general general information policy, in this general information policy you can sow certain theses, then these theses will be broadcast on the air of national telethons, they will be amorphous or, let’s say, without initiative to pick up other information resources that are trying to move within the fairway that is set by the state and thereby form a certain impression, certain feelings and certain perceptions of society . from the point of view of the strategy after the end of the war, we are counting on the role of kydia as a country that will take part in the restoration of ukraine and in investments, well

, at least that was the official political rhetoric from the president's office, and i, since we are interested in them, then we cannot , let's say, form a negative image of the country, which , according to our expectations, should enter ukraine in the future as an investor or as an entity that will be on a voluntary basis hmm well, is it humanitarian to restore our infrastructure? that is, you misunderstood a little what i wanted to ask you. i am not forming exactly this and i do not want formats and i do not want anyone to form this negative attitude towards china. this statement came from the mouth of the prime minister of japan and i just wanted to say whether we can't use it just not to incite hatred towards china or enmity there just use it once again to remind that there is such an agreement and that this agreement is possible china and indeed is already using it and possibly putting pressure on ukraine . i mean, how can we use this agreement even more in

bilateral bilateral communication or at the level of a special representative or at the level of communication with the president of china sisinpinium i think that our the military-political leadership could mention these commitments as an argument in our favor that we recognize your role, your state, your status on the planet, yes, we do not deny this, at the same time, we will say that we appeal to those commitments that were made to you as a guarantee and understanding the fact that you cannot admissibly intervene there in our favor during the war or increase the supply of certain types of weapons yes because this contradicts your foreign policy doctrine yes or relations with the russian federation at the same time we count on cooperation with you in view of the commitments made but again, this is rhetoric, this is rhetoric, what exactly? well, it should sound, it sounds , it is reflected in official documents, but it is not something like that, it is, let's say

, inciting inciting to some specific actions. yes, on the part of china, you must understand that why does japan actually declare its intention? japan plans to move from, let's say , a demilitarized policy to a policy that does not actually provide for the military capability of the owner of the armed forces to a full-fledged policy, let's say, because japan is a historical empire, an empire that had quite difficult, if not extremely bloody, relations with china and japan is a country that is located in the region where china is trying to absorb all those entities that previously gravitated towards japan and south korea or were in the field of landmarks and in the field well, the interests of the united states, japan is the country that, let's say, is not going to be a subject subject to those who move forwards of china's policy, that's why it is

, well, its captive, its political leaders are working at the same time, in one emotional media and field and in the field of confrontation by the united states. she is working on forming the image of china , well, in a negative connotation. the threat of escalation in issues in taiwan. but there are also the marshall islands and a whole set of issues related to the philippines . negative image and this is a negative image as a country that does not fulfill its obligations towards china, first of all, it meets the interests of japan, unfortunately, we are in this vein , er, well, it is an excuse well, to be no more, no less, well, it is understood ap andriy, let's listen first now, before i ask the next question to the direct language of the minister of foreign affairs of the czech republic i nalipavsky then

the question russia continues to expand the limits of its aggression, the detonation of the dam in nova kakhovka can be compared to the use of weapons of mass destruction against the civilian population, this cruelty will be condemned and punished. well, today, as i have already heard, we asked the viewers who watch youtube the question: when should these trials be held? this is the punishment that anna lipavsky is talking about, and not only him, by the way, when should these trials be held? in your opinion, when should we wait for them, well, the question you asked, the viewer, is, in principle, i share the level of their voting because i am the same ukrainian as they are and are experiencing this war on the territory of ukraine in the same way. well , if the question is now, the question is for you as before there is an expert. well, i’ll clarify now. i’ll move on to the expert opinion, that is, the question is emotional. when should punishment be done? well, immediately. well, because the criminal or the one who commits aggression must be punished. well

, as short as possible, or is it optimal that it should be immediately after the crime is committed? and also it is better at the level of intentions, so that the criminal activity is stopped at the stage of the attempt. and from the point of view of emotion, this is absolutely true, from the point of view, there are simply moments that consist in the fact that , well, the emotional component and legal procedures or international legal procedures. they do not work based on the aspirations of the injured party. well, they must be subject to certain regulations, certain rules and a certain procedure. and here are the rules and procedures . this is just a colossal moment of disappointment. we are, in fact, ok, citizens - this is a separate story, an institution, let's take the parliament. of ukraine after the events in buch nu, on the initiative of the people's hearing p to georgiyovych gramia and for the vote of all parliamentary factions , a year ago they initiated the question between before

the international community about the formation of nu let's say an international tribunal capable of bringing the russian federation to criminal responsibility for the crimes of aggression that you taught on the territory of ukraine , as of today, this special tribunal has not been created, some countries are joining it, but not even all countries that are in the plane of the rammstein format, we can talk to you about an element of international justice is an element of international justice - this is the international criminal court that international criminal court that issued the arrest warrant the commissioner for the protection of children's rights in the russian federation and putin, at the same time, the rules and procedures of this court do not provide for the possibility of justice in the absence of the accused, and here already our expectations and our wishes differ from the rules and procedures according to which the international criminal court operates and when we talk about it when the russian federation will face justice, unfortunately, it is necessary to complicate the dialogue with the public and talk about what

format of the court we are talking about if we talk about the international criminal court, then, accordingly, the answer will be as follows: when putin will be brought to court, when it will happen, no one can say, if we are talking about the format of sentencing in absentia , yes, that is, in the absence of the defendant, we see the suspect, then we need a special tribunal, that special tribunal that has not yet been created and it was not created due to a whole set of er problems. well, because of a whole set of circumstances and these circumstances. they are in the plane of the interests of the countries that should join the initiative to create and assume responsibility and obligations for the prosecution of these persons in 5 years, in 10 years, when the fog of war becomes russian yes, and maybe, let's say the urgency of the war, it will disappear from the information space , but they will be obliged to prosecute russian war criminals and such countries unfortunately well, in my opinion, it doesn't reach the four tens of 34 or 35 there

when either this calculation leads and this institution does not exist, and we have a situation such that aspirations are connected with bringing to responsibility because there is something for and you and i. last week and for the past year and a half, we have been observing the set of war crimes committed by the russian federation on the territory of ukraine, and it is obvious to us, as it is to other parts of the world, that it is the leaders of the country who determine the political military should bear responsibility for these crimes course, but at the same time, if there is a dry residue , well, look at the situation. as much international norms as the national interests of the governments of countries that even verbally support ukraine, they are aware that russia from the planets from the map

of the planet earth will not disappear, the political leadership that exists today at the level of the russian federation, all of them are fully all participants in war crimes and crimes of aggression on the territory of ukraine and to start the corresponding process is actually cutting off the possibility of a certain form of interaction with the russian federation after the end of the war , realizing that the regime in it is most likely well, it is possible that putin will not be at the helm there, but it will be people close to putin or those who, like him, should be on the bench, even in an international tribunal , that is why our expectations are emotional, they are justified because we are victims of aggression, but the expectations or possibilities of international criminal prosecution systems are limited and this is a limitation. actually, she is disappointed because we do not get that result and that is the desire to punish the restoration of justice in relation to persons who

commit crimes every day and destroy our country, well, unfortunately, you know that, continuing what you said, that the leaders understand that russia will not disappear from the map of the earth , it seems. between us, between germany and europe and russia, an ocean will not suddenly arise , which is simply known to us, and this one is really absolutely right , you see, he uses slightly different verbal forms, well, they are related. well, in principle, with the same thing . yes, but he simply packages it in some softer the shape of the geography of us, arestovych also told somewhere in my opinion in israel some geography. do not change, well, that is, what are the plans of individual actors, uh, i did not draw about how they plan. well, let's say to carry out the reform of the russian federation. on his battlefield, well, that is, on his territory in moscow, and then we can talk about the establishment

of external management, the distribution , well, the change of territorial matches, and so on. such goals, neither from germany nor from france, nor from the united states, in the end, look, look, i now have another question in the continuation of this, we did not hear such goals, but also see the 11th package of anti-russian sanctions in europe oh, how hard it is going well, is he at all it does not go, it has stalled. last week, there were several meetings in order to agree on it and they stopped it, everything is related to this, well, no, i think that the 11th package of sanctions is simply hitting the economic interests of already individual countries. that is, well we are going deeper, that is, you understand occupying a passive position that we 10 accepted everything we have exhausted the entire toolkit it doesn't work it doesn't work why because information is constantly appearing and investigations are constantly appearing about how the russian federation has the opportunity to circumvent the sanctions that were introduced at the level of the previous 10 packages and circumvents

they are using legal entities that are registered both in the countries of the european union and in countries that are not members of the european union, but cooperate with them quite calmly and have trade and economic relations, which means it turns out that the public is given information that the sanctions are not as effective as they would like, and after some time, that is, after a year, they actually do not slow down the ability of the russian federation, at least there in terms of the production of certain elements of the military-industrial complex, they noticed that somewhere from the rhetoric of our information company has disappeared, the topic of the fact that the russian federation has two or three launches of missiles left, and on the contrary, it is about the fact that, yes, they are producing, but they are producing somehow less and produce within 70 possible volleys of calibers there from channels and other e-e and other missiles per month, although the expectation was from the sanctions that, in fact, technological starvation would deprive russia of the opportunity to carry out such

production, and as a result, well, the moment begins related to the fact that it is necessary to reflect, react and limit the possibilities of circumventing sanctions, yes, that is, actually stop the parallel import of contraband and all other things, the mechanisms of which are known, and even more so, which are already described by journalists, this is not about intelligence is not about the special services of the structures that should monitor the mechanisms of the entry of sanctions, specifically , the journalistic investigation needs to be reflected. but this reflection already affects not only the relations of europe, it also affects these intermediary countries. well , the intermediaries of ukraine, they are not parties to aggression , as it were yes, that is, it is not belarus, which can be circumcised in the same way as the russian federation, it is not iran, which is under the international sanctions of the united nations, it is already will be the countries of turkey, the united arab emirates, it will be planted, it will be the countries of central asia, from kazakhstan to kazakhstan . well, apparently, in the negotiation process, it was possible

to reach an understanding, and kazakhstan internally limited the issues related to conducting financial transactions with the russian federation and , accordingly, through its banks, well, with the countries of the european union, at the same time, commodity imports that pass through the territory of kazakhstan yes and it concerns the construction of consumption yes or well federation he what is happening regarding the united reactions of the emirates and turkey well, that's another problem well, what kind of weather will aggravate the relations between the countries of the european union and directly already those countries such as greece such countries as bulgaria such countries as hungary which from which also well, it depends on the vote for the sanctions package, because they need a comprehensive vote, they support one way or another, well, the restrictions that, even if we are talking about greece, that concern oil, they support economic ties with the russian federation adhering to the price ceiling well, it's that simple and they don't want to go with such interests, that's why

the inhibition occurs due to the fact that the pragmatic interest of the country unfortunately prevails over the value element, but it was expected and proper she said to andrii, we still have a minute left. and you say it was expected and they are just slowing down. is there any mechanism within the eu that can be used? such as france, germany, they are just looking for these levers. yes, and these levers are usually found in the provision of other guarantees where you can make money , let's call it that, to countries like that who are losing from trade relations with the russian federation , with such a lever, let's say with hungary, we had construction on my three e-e corridors and well , there were also gas pipelines and, accordingly , an oil product pipeline, which should be implemented with the funds of the european union by 2017 and, accordingly, hungary will become

independent from the point of view of logistics, namely the delivery of infrastructure, the possibility of delivering energy carriers, and at the same time, hungary and bulgaria are not able to give up the atom in the same way that france does not know 15 minutes, here are seconds, i apologize, there are critical areas in which compensation, even of a financial nature , is not able i.e. france will also not refuse the enriched orang supplied from the russian federation simply because it is impossible for it from a technological point of view once and for all beekeepers, health, excessive costs, short-term prospects, i understand andrii, we have to finish because time is inexorable, it was andriy vigirinskyi, a political expert, we talked with him about a lot of interesting things and heard a lot of interesting opinions. i will tell you the results of the vote very quickly.

so, 444 people did not answer the question russia should stand trial for its crimes immediately 84% think after the war 12% think and your option 4% you can read your option in the comments on youtube well, that's the end of an interesting a program with interesting experts, the world during the war, we will meet next week with other topics and other experts combi mushroom hot 20% in pharmacies traveller for you and save north macedonia ukraine on megogo will the coach cope with which june 16 at 21:45 cheer for the country's main team on megogo has discounts on oral spray orasept 20%, pharmacies

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your name on the pages of victory tuesday seven in the morning, 475 days of russia's full-scale war against ukraine began news on espresso in the studio of anzhelika sezonenko, another terrorist act by russians in kryvyi rih, a rescue operation is underway at the moment, but there are deaths and injuries beforehand, the head of the region, serhiy, said lasak, an enemy missile hit a five-story building in the city center at night , several entrances were destroyed, probably people remain under the rubble, added the head