[000:00:00;00] itself and keep russia from further aggression, that's why right now the informational cauldron is so hot, and we'll watch it, the temperature will increase, its passions will increase, so you mentioned this tripartite meeting that took place yesterday, well, in paris , where duda, manuel macron and olafsholz were held and it was only duda who called at this meeting, well, at least that's what the western press writes , and spiegel also writes that at the meeting of the heads of state and government in poland, france and germany, it was president duda who called for ukraine to join nato, and the leaders of france germany preferred to talk about security guarantees, that is, what you have already said about the fact that well, let 's invent some formula there, according to which we will work. we will support ukraine, and something

usually says that security guarantees are needed in a very specific form what this means is also not clear and whether it applies to the north atlantic alliance and the meeting in july in vilnius and about the fact that we will provide the production of ammunition in europe and also maintain the weapons supplied by germany in working condition and well, macron also talks about this, well, that is, it is not clear whether zelenskiy needs to fly to the nato summit in vilnius or not. because literally a month ago, he said that if there are no concrete solutions , it is not clear whether ukraine should go there at all to take part in your opinion, will the representatives of the north atlantic alliance in these situations come up with some kind of formula that would accommodate both the west

and ukraine? well, of course, it is extremely difficult, since we have justified maximalist demands, since we already they promised er because er actually not providing ukraine and georgia with membership plans in 2008 was actually read in the kremlin as a green light for an attack first on georgia and then on us, of course we cannot be satisfied with what er actually , no matter how verbal there was no form. it was formed. what will be confirmed is the existence of such an unstoppable right of veto putin on the expansion of nato. actually, by the way , in his speech today, he said that we were promised no expansion and, let's say, we were deceived . but in fact it is a delusion of none

document and not a single testimony, even mikhail gorbachev said that he was not given such, let's say, guarantees . well, even more so , we see with finland, which for some reason has the right to join nato. the federation has a strategic and not a tactical position, so of course we will not agree to any kind of back-and-forth, as was the case in the budapest memorandum. they can throw, let's hope that ours, let's say yes - the closest friends and allies are the baltic countries , poland, romania, they will be able to push the right language, the right formation of the wording so that it would be much more not just more than bucharest's but so that it would really be a signal well, plus, of course, we expect more specifics about these interim security guarantees, how will they differ from what we have now in the rammstein format, will it simply be

the supply of weapons and by the way again and said that ukraine fights with foreign equipment and that in fact there is no ukrainian civil defense system. well, he was simply explaining that this demilitarization is progressing in good ways at the pace of uh, and of course he was wrong here, because we have become much more powerful and we know how to control these weapons, but partly he rules in the sense that we are extremely dependent on our western partners and we imagine that they will be more inclined to uh let's say that diplomacy will start working well, i am skeptical about such a possibility at all with this regime but in general or imagine now we see the dramatic events unfolding in the united states with mr. trump who has extremely high ratings of 60 plus percent within the republican party, he is in fact without an alternative candidacy if

legal obstacles prevent him from becoming the republican candidate on and then the president, that is, of course, that this is such a great danger, and of course that we cannot agree to some, well, you know, the good intentions of our partners. we need legal binding guarantees, and of course, since we are in the conditions of this war with the russian federation, which is the largest nuclear power , in principle we cannot satisfy any guarantees outside of the fifth article of the washington treaty. and actually, this is the problem there would be no nuclear weapons in the russian federation. ukraine was already a member of nato, but if we were a member of nato, russia would not be able to pursue an aggressive policy and continue the war, this is also true because of course nuclear deterrence exists and works and actually it is not effective, we see that there is less of this rhetoric now from the kremlin

, they periodically, of course, there are exacerbations related to the phases, they are contained. here, but they are the minority who say this now because they have seen the readiness of the western partners. well, i am not talking about the protection of their allies in europe, even in the event of any actions on the territory of ukraine, they have already repeatedly warned that such a blow will be delivered by non-nuclear means that will be equal in destructive power to the use of tactical nuclear weapons. so i wish i was wrong. but honestly i see that france, germany and probably even the united states . stinger, then howitzers, and then, oh, how about hummers, tanks, now we hope that a new aid package will be announced today, not only there will be

strikers and missiles, but maybe something from a long-range missile, because we see that the reaction of moscow, well, what was feared in the on west in front of all of washington for the transfer of more missiles to us, the radio of the court and so on, we can see that there is no reaction at all, that is, russia is not capable of any escalation and of course not of nuclear escalation under these conditions for sure can't go well, by the way, you mentioned how moscow is changing its rhetoric regarding tactical nuclear weapons , but it is not changing this rhetoric. placement of tactical nuclear weapons already on july 7-8 and they said that they are already there and they have prepared storage facilities for this. lukashenko says that he demanded nuclear weapons and

soon we will see what lukashenko said. it was my demand , it was not russia that forced me. here they are on the virgin land, where do you need them, these are toys with conventional weapons, and i had the first offer to the russians : you give me several sets of weapons, they will be armed with nuclear warheads, here is a prisoner, we are sorry, we would rather hand them over to you, eh, as i demanded

tactical nuclear weapons - this place is ready this storage is something, everything is lying as it should and will be united , i think it will take a few days, we will have eh, that is what we are asking for. i am a little bigger, but i listen to him, mr. alexander, and i think that this is some kind of wedding general for putin. he speaks about the fact that i asked for nuclear weapons, i insisted on this, i said, put these nuclear weapons in me, because no one will touch the state nuclear weapon , there is no influence on this nuclear weapon. from this nuclear weapon to the same point, no one knows where it flew from, and the belarusians certainly did not give him such rights - to dispose of his future, eh

, considering this, what is lukashenko for these nuclear weapons, that is, it is like a martyr's train in order to already if he dies, then he dies with a nuclear warhead in his hands, well , i hope not, i hope that he will not think of the phrase "what is the need for the world if there is no belarus , because in fact such orthodox jihodism is nuclear, it is inherent in the russian federation" this person who calls himself the president is not sick, but of course he is a criminal and not only that he is a usurper. below is not only that he repelled the flights of political competitors. and that

he is a co-participant in the crime of aggression against ukraine, he is a criminal as much as he is without any additional benefits for himself for his i mean for his state for his people he made belarus a target for the actual nuclear weapons of those countries that have them because you are right they said that he should not have access to this button, it is clear that putin is, of course, crazy, but not in this sense . the second point is that this weapon will not be used because of course it is used as a deterrent. at the moment, the presence of these weapons means absolutely nothing that there will not be any kalinovsky legion of belarusians or anyone else who are not representatives of any other state, they are citizens of belarus. of course, he will not fight on his own the territory is further, in fact, the presence of these weapons from a military point of view makes absolutely no sense, because the russians actually have

kaliningrad, and from there they are able to strike anywhere with any means that we have there , the only problem is that everything that is brought to kolingrad or taken out it has problems and of course what nato intelligence sees on the territory of laos will be somewhat more difficult to do, but i don’t think that it is much more difficult. therefore , this is a criminal step, which is actually aimed exclusively at increasing the price of e-e in the eyes of putin, and since he is holding on to russian er money and russian bayonets so that it was a guarantee that he means he will remain in power, probably putin wants to use nuclear blackmail to push the americans as it was traditionally all previous administrations to talk about nuclear disarmament about arms control and thus wiping out whether to stop helping ukraine with weapons or some other

things of course this will not happen this administration has broken with this criminal practice in fact although they say that they are ready to talk but they are not ready to commit strategic means strategic security and negotiations about control over this with the ukrainian issue or some other issue is that putin says that he does not answer symmetrically because it is located on territories of european states, american weapons. well, first of all, it was located there in the 60s, and there was nothing new here, and of course this weapon was taken into account by the russians during the soviet union and after, in order to counteract, that is, the forces and means that were deployed there are enough of them, so by and large it doesn’t make sense even for the russians that and actually there were weapons there , they don’t threaten anyone any more than they threatened the russian territory, or for me the main territory, or

kaliningrad there. so it’s just an absolute game i don't need it, i hope it ended with the withdrawal of these weapons so that belarus will return to the status of a nuclear-free state, by the way, mr. lukashenko, well, he actually lied right away on the air. he said that there are no wars with nuclear states. a nuclear crazy state is waging a war with a non-nuclear state and we strike on their territory not only on the temporarily occupied crimea there or other territories. so i'm already talking about vietnam where the united states actually lost the biggest the nuclear power of that time lost to the rebel army and there were a number of other soldiers who were actually under attack by the nuclear state , so he is simply

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said this during a meeting with ursula derlin foundation and the president of the european commission, silva . literally, we need more diplomacy. and less armed intervention in ukraine well, i will remind you that silva is the person who said that russia needed to give crimea to end the war, for which he of course received money from the world community and in general , all of you had to to condemn the violation of the territorial integrity of ukraine, but this seven from africa and silva and china are er indonesia, in principle, they all offer one formula for peace, which, in their opinion, can be considered by moscow and kyiv, this is the recognition of the so -called territorial reality, but it is simpler

saying the recognition of the occupation of part of the ukrainian territory by russia and its consolidation there well, as the minister of defense of indonesia said according to the korean version, when there will be demarcation , there will be some parallel with which the sphere of influence will be demarcated, that is, ukraine will remain ukraine, part of ukraine will remain under the control of the russian federation and in principle, everyone inclines ukraine to this option, in all these plans there is obviously a common common denominator - this is the same position of the kremlin. although they say that they do not want to talk with the current as they they say the regime in kyiv but they already have exactly such a story, that is, they also talk about the same thing, that is, according to you, moscow is still inclined to some kind of peace negotiations , it is simply done

with its hands. moscow or, let's say, the countries that are now under the control of china . well, you know, i swear by the fact that china's role here is much greater than that of moscow. and it's not for nothing that the president of south africa called all the bells and whistles to inform him about the visit and about my plans, i think that it is more in this bosom than in the russian one, and of course if we look at what the chinese are proposing, they do not have a plan, but china's position on the political settlement of the ukrainian crisis, as they call it, is the usual encrypted factual more interests of russia than ukraine, there is such a rather vague first phrase about respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of any state, and there the chinese primarily mean taiwan, not crimea, there is donetsk

or luhansk, and so on. of course, there is an algorithm which are offered, it doesn’t really suit us, well, it’s very strange. by the way, right now, these african leaders have decided to go to kyiv, if, for example, it was, well , literally a week or two ago, it would be clear , because in the information space there was a false opinion that this is there is already such a clinch that the russians are out of breath, they cannot advance, but the ukrainians do not have the strength to do anything, and then, on this ground, ours , at least the informational one could do something now, when our offensive line, this operation began, but it is not even inside yet, and of course we have hope and of course what we hear and read from our friends who are currently fighting , let me show you some small picture of a great battle, then we have optimism about this, and therefore there is no sense by and large, this is a very

ill-timed visit for the africans themselves, since they would have received a negative response anyway, well, more precisely , a diplomatic one would have been positive. thank you for your concern . we also want peace. that we have not seen will coincide with the peace plan of ukraine or president zelenskyi, then we are grateful to you, let's support it. especially since we are planning a global one, that's where we will consider all these issues, and the rest - it's not the right time, if ukraine would be in let's say more about the difficult situation that we were losing, we didn't have the resources , uh, we realized that we can't master everything, at least this period of time, then we would need some kind of respite, and of course, then we would think about uh the form of diplomatic registration of this bybyshki at the moment, of course, any cease-fire is exclusively in the interests of the russian federation, since it will

mean fixing the fact of being on our territory and then, of course, if there is no hot phase, we remember it very well on the 14th-15th year, our partners here quickly lost interest because there are no hot events of the hot phase of the conflict. well, then they already switched to some other things. of course, they are counting on this in moscow, and of course , this is probably part of the same plan and of the chinese, that is why they are leaving on time, i understand that they are getting a polite answer, but which will not satisfy them, i understand why they are going because, first of all, if we are talking about african countries, they are the ones that suffer the most because they buy ukrainian grain because, well, ukrainian russians, and because are very dependent on russian fertilizers because , er, this war seems to be far away in europe, but it does not

affect energy prices, it affects inflation, it affects the discount rate in banks, and it affects the tension between the west and er, well, not only the russian federation with the ball of the south and actually that is why all this all these things they do and instability in these states are let's put it this way, problems of a social, economic and, of course , political nature. that is, i completely understand their motivation, maybe there is also a humanistic motivation because it is clear that well, for sure, a large number of russians get pleasure from watching innocent ukrainians being killed. i don't think that africans are africans. of course , there is also such a motivation, but the result will be me i understand what will happen to them, they are not very satisfied with them. well, it looks very strange when the leaders of countries located on the african continent, where there are constant

wars, well, i don't know. there probably wasn't any such period, there wasn't, let's say, an armed conflict they are trying to tell us something about how it should be properly regulated, mr. serhiy. allow me to disagree with you a little, because i have heard more than once from various african e-e representatives , primarily of the expert community, they say that we support ukraine because we do not violation of the border and this is an extremely important thing, we were colonies and in fact our colonizers outlined our borders and if we say that there are some, i don't know, it means swahili-speaking fellow citizens and we will try to return to the territory, this means that the entire african the continent is explosive and that is why you rightly say about these conflicts that are constantly going on, but there are definitely no conflicts of this quality when there is a country

i want that wants to redraw the border of course there are internal ones and of course there are proxy warriors as such but such an unscrupulous invasion of colonial conquest well, it even amazes africans thank you, mr. oleksandr it was a diplomat oleksandr hara thank you for participating in the program, we will be in touch further ihor lapin, a special officer, an officer of the armed forces of ukraine deputy of the seventh and eighth convocations of the verkhovna rada, mr. igor. i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. glory to ukraine of the eighth convocation. volt only for the eighth. well, it means that you will be in the next convocation, if i have already said about two convocations, then in the future, too, igor we are talking we talked with oleksandr hara about all these peace negotiations and about the fact that seven leaders of african countries are going to

help putin in kyiv and then to moscow at the same time the skabeev propagandist says that they really need the chinese, the chinese military, several millions that would help russia protect the belgorod region , let's first look at scabies, then we'll talk to the chinese soldiers. folk music is better. let the general know how many people live in our country. what kind of resource do we run to ?

what is the lack of the russians in general in the current war and what is their most vulnerable place during the great war from ukraine, this is enough for today if you take it globally, for this i need to displace the ukrainians or they now on the territory of ukraine. so, are they destroying ukrainians with the help of missile bombings and so on ? are they making ukraine an uninhabitable territory ? they say that we are a people, but we are not a people, that's why our logic, our thinking is not to interfere with their framework, and this is the first and second of theirs

is that they believe that their war is sacred , and that this narrative will be swallowed by the west and will be afraid and will sit quietly and wait until putin eats ukraine, these theses did not work, their war is unjust and invasive, and the west realized that after the last ukrainian soldier falls, god forbid, nato soldiers will begin to fall, and the west began not to help ukraine, but to invest in own security, this is the second big mistake of the russians, which will inevitably lead them to defeat. well, to conclude the question of the third mistake, it is that sooner or later the utilization of indigenous peoples by the putin regime will end and the war will come to their homes already on the territory of so-called russia, not in the context of the empire, but in the context