[000:00:00;00] will also probably affect the fact that putin will start considering the possibility of negotiations. in order to end the war that he started, in this sense, counteroffensive actions can bring peace closer and not distance it, and there is piskov's reaction to all these conversations about negotiations between kiev and moscow. for agreement, there is no more. now , there is no foundation, at least flimsy , in order to create at least some kind of dialogue. kursk, rostov region, or er, in the suburbs of moscow, of course, this is due to the successes of our armed forces, and i hope also to the successes of er, russian oppositionists, real russians

who took up weapons and not white povorozochki , and that means there are still balls and marched through the streets of hmm moscow well in fact, no such platform can be negotiated at the moment, of course everything is decided now on the battlefield and i absolutely understand what mr. blinkin is saying - this is probably one of the most hawkish representatives of the biden administration, he is trying to pull there is still someone to push and i think that he will be written about very well in the textbooks of the history of ukraine, but he cannot say otherwise that in the end, the mother may have to finish everything, that is, in fact, he is pushing us to some kind of diplomacy, but in fact, he says that it is necessary to continue to support ukraine so that ukraine wins on the battlefield in order to have more powerful positions, and it seems to me that this is very important, especially

against the background of the fact that on the eve of vilnius , not only, let's say, the talks of the allies toponata with the united states, where they are trying to find the right formula , how to do something more than in bucharest in 2008, but of course to avoid a clear clear signal that kyiv wants , they say there are some different for-formats of providing us with a guarantee, this is very it is important because it is public, as literally today, i read two articles, and yes, there are those who say that ukraine cannot be elected to nato under any circumstances, that there is no need to fuel russian paranoia, although you know that the paranoiacs attacked us when we did not fuel it. well, and of course, what is there about the risks that may be in connection with the fact that ukraine ukraine will accept him in nato? well, of course there are positive articles and positive speeches, but i

concentrate more and look at the arguments of the other , that is, the enemy side in the state of our friends. i would say yes, that's why all these e-e signals that are sent , including what was happening within the vymer triangle, that our polish friend president duda tried to extract something from the french, the finns, more specifically, they avoided an answer. i understand that in this sense there was no meeting successful, but it was successful in that they, er, they are looking for that formula or intermediate intermediate guarantees that they can provide to ukraine, either in the form of increased supplies or guaranteed supplies of weapons, joint training, exchange of intelligence, that is, such tools that er, we need in order to complete win this war and then be able to defend ourselves and keep russia from further aggression, that's why

the informational sweat is actually hot now, it's so hot and we'll see it will increase, the temperature will also be passionate you mentioned this tripartite meeting that took place yesterday in paris, where buvanji and duda, manuel macron and olafsholz, and only duda called at this meeting, well, at least that 's what the western press and gel spiegel write about that at the meeting of the heads of state and governments in poland, france and germany, it was president duda who called for ukraine to be admitted to nato, and the leaders of france and germany preferred to talk about security guarantees, that is , what you already said about the fact that well, let's invent some formula there by which we will to work we will support ukraine eh and sholt of course says that security guarantees are needed in a very specific form

, what this means is also not clear . to provide eh, we will fix the production of ammunition in europe , and we will also maintain the working condition of the weapons supplied by germany , and well, macron is also talking about this, well, that is , it is not clear whether eh zelensky needs to fly to the nato summit in vilnius or not, because literally a month ago, he said that if there are no concrete solutions worked out, then it is not clear whether ukraine should participate there at all, according to your opinion, or whether the representatives of the north atlantic alliance will twist these situations into some kind of formula according to which they arranged both the event and

ukraine well, of course, it is extremely difficult. because we have justified maximalist demands because we have already been promised because ukraine and georgia's plans for membership in 2008 were actually read in the kremlin as a green light for an attack first on georgia, then on us, of course we cannot be satisfied with the fact that no matter what the verbal form is, it is formed that the existence of such an unstoppable veto right of putin on the expansion of nato will be confirmed, well, in fact, he is by the way today, in his speech, he said that we were promised no expansion and that we were deceived, but in fact it is a delusion of no document and no testimony , even mikhail gorbachev said that he was not given such, shall we say, guarantees well, even more so we see with finland, which for some reason has the right to participate in nato. although it has a large

carbon footprint and is even more important than the ukrainian one, since it borders the skoliv peninsula, where the nuclear fist of the russian federation is located, it is strategic and not tactical, so of course we will not agree to any reassurances as they were in the budapest memorandum, but is there anything more effective? it is unlikely that they can quit , let's hope that our, let's say so , our closest friends and allies are the baltic countries, poland, romania, they will be able to push through the right language, the right formation of the wording so that it would be much more not just more than the bucharest one but so that it would really be a signal well and plus of course we expect more specifics regarding these interim security guarantees, how will they differ from what we have now in the rammstein format is this there will simply be a supply of weapons, and by the way, again , this is the way he said that ukraine is fighting with foreign equipment, that

in fact there is no ukrainian military-industrial complex. well, he was simply explaining that this demilitarization is a good way of an idea at a pace, and of course he is here was wrong because we have become much more powerful and we know how to manage these weapons, but he is partly right in the sense that we are extremely dependent on our western partners and we can imagine that they will be more inclined to uh let's say that diplomacy begins work well, i am skeptical about such a possibility at all with this regime, but in general or imagine now we are seeing dramatic events unfolding in the united states with mr. trump who has an extremely high approval rating of 60 plus percent within the republican party, he is in fact without an alternative candidacy if legal obstacles prevent him from becoming the candidate of the republicans for the post of president, i.e. of course this is such a great

danger and of course we cannot agree to some, well, you know, the good intentions of our partners we need legally binding guarantees and, of course , that we since we are at war with the russian federation, which is the largest nuclear power , there are no guarantees outside the fifth article, article two, that it would already be a member of nato, but if we were members of nato, russia would not be able to pursue an aggressive policy and continue the war, this is also true because , of course, it has nuclear deterrence that works, and actually it is not effective. of them there are exacerbations probably related to the phases of the moon and here, but they are the minority talking about it now because they have seen completely western partners well, i am not talking about the protection of our

allies in europe, even in the case of some actions on the territory of ukraine, they already have repeatedly warned that such a blow will be delivered by non-nuclear means that will be equal to the destructive power of the use of tactical nuclear weapons. so i wish i was wrong. but honestly, i see that france, germany and probably even the united states. they are too cautious, they have not yet gone through that evolution which one is needed and which we saw and observed from the very beginning of the conflict when they were afraid to give us stingers and then howitzers and then uh, about himers uh, tanks, but now we hope that today will be a new aid package was announced, and not only will there be strikers and bradleys , but maybe something from a long-range missile, because we see that the reaction of moscow is the most feared in the u.s. in the west in front of all of washington to the transfer

of more missiles to us good luck with the radio judges and so on. we can see that there is no reaction at all, that is, russia is not capable of any escalation and of course that under these conditions it definitely cannot go to a nuclear attack. by the way, you mentioned about how moscow is changing its rhetoric regarding tactics of nuclear weapons, but alexander lukashenko, the self-proclaimed president of belarus, does not change this rhetoric, because we know that during the last meeting between lukashenko and putin, they talked about deploying tactical nuclear weapons already on july 7-8 and said that they were already there, and lukashenko had prepared a repository for this he says that he demanded nuclear weapons and soon we will see what lukashenko said, so i still have enough of these weapons if the group speaks but this was my demand, it was not imposed on me

by russia. all you say is that no one in the world has fought and i don't want them to fight with us, the threat is the same, i have to face the threat and show the guys there are toys with conventional weapons. here is a prisoner, they are from us, we will give it to you better, uh, how i demanded tactical nuclear weapons, a cheap quantity , ready, it was stored, something, everything is as it should be, and we will unite. i think it will take me a few

days, we will have uh, what we are asking for and even a little more, but i listen to him mr. oleksandr and i think that this is some kind of wedding general for putin . he is talking about the fact that i asked for nuclear weapons. lukashenko's nuclear weapons don't have a button, he doesn't have uh, when nuclear weapons are launched, when they fly back from these nuclear weapons to the same point from where they flew, no one knows, and the belarusians definitely didn't give him such rights to dispose of his future uh in view of this, why is lukashenko these nuclear weapons? that is, it is like

a martyr's train, so that if he dies , he dies with a nuclear warhead in his hands. i hope not. we need a world if there is no belarus, because in fact such orthodox jihodism is nuclear, it is inherent in the russian federation , i hope that even this person who calls himself the president is not sick, but of course he is a criminal and not only that he is a usurper not only because he beat off the sticks of political competitors and that he is a co-participant in the crime of aggression against ukraine, he is a criminal as much as he is without any additional benefits for himself for his i mean for his state for his people he made belarus a target for actually nuclear weapons of those countries that have them, since you correctly said that he does not have

access to this button, it is clear that putin is certainly crazy, but not in this sense , the second point is that these weapons will not be used because of course they are it is used as a deterrent. the third point is that the presence of these weapons means absolutely nothing that there will not be any kalinovsky legion of belarusians or anyone else who are not representatives of any other state, they are citizens of belarus. of course he will not strike on its own territory, and further, in fact, the presence of these weapons from a military point of view makes absolutely no sense, because, in fact, the russians have kaliningrad, and from there they are able to strike anywhere with whatever means we have there the only problem is that everything that is brought to kolingrad or taken out has problems, and of course that it is nato intelligence that they see on

the territory of laos, it will be somewhat more difficult to do it , but i do not think that it is much more difficult. therefore , this is a criminal step, which is actually aimed exclusively at increasing the price in putin's eyes is his, and since he is holding on to russian money and russian bayonets , so that this would be a guarantee of what he means, he will remain in power, surely putin wants , let's say, nuclear blackmail to push the americans as it was traditional for all previous administrations to talk about nuclear disarmament, about arms control, and in this way to negotiate whether to stop helping ukraine with weapons or some other things . of course, this will not happen. that they are ready to talk, but they are not ready to link strategic, meaning strategic security and negotiations on control over it with

the ukrainian issue or any other issue the fact that putin says that it is symmetrical does not answer because there is an american weapon located on the territory of european states. well, first of all, it was located there in the 60s and there was nothing new here, and of course this weapon was taken into account by the russians during the soviet era union, and then in order to counteract, i.e., those forces and means that did. they were deployed enough , therefore, by and large, it does not make sense even for the russians that and actually there were weapons there, it does not threaten anyone more than it threatened the russian territory or for me, the main territory is kaliningrad. so this is just a game, absolutely unnecessary. i hope it will end with the withdrawal of these weapons so that belarus will return to the status of a nuclear-free state

. by the way , mr. they don't fight with nuclear states, well, sorry, now on his carbon, one nuclear crazy state is waging war with a non-nuclear state, and we strike on their territory, not only on the temporarily occupied crimea, there or other territories. yes what am i talking about vietnam, where the united states actually lost the most, the nuclear power of that time lost to the rebel army and there were a number of other warriors where in fact the nuclear power was under attack, so he is just a single gog, it will not give him anything and he is actually his regime it will fall as well as together with putin's thank you, mr. oleksandr , after a short break, we will return to our conversation, i talked about discounts on bionorm 10% in pharmacies

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strategies, we continue our conversation p oleksandr, we know that this week the leaders of seven african countries will go to kyiv and then to moscow with their peace plan . the president of brazil, lulu dasilla , said that he does not see a military solution in ukraine. we need more diplomacy there, less armed intervention in ukraine well, let me remind you that silva is the person who said that russia needs to give crimea to end the war. communities and in general, all of you had to condemn the violation of the territorial integrity of ukraine, but this seven from africa and silva and china are indonesia, in principle , they all offer one formula for peace that,

in their opinion, can be considered this is the recognition by moscow and kyiv of the so-called territorial reality, or simply put , the recognition of the occupation of part of the ukrainian territory by russia and its consolidation there. how will the sphere of influence be demarcated, that is, ukraine will remain ukraine, part of ukraine will remain under the control of the russian federation, and in principle, everyone is shooting ukraine for this option, in all these plans there is obviously a common common denominator - this is the same position of the kremlin, although they say about the fact that they do not want to talk with the current , as they say, regime in kyiv. but they already have exactly such a story, that is, they also talk about the

same thing, that is, according to you, moscow is still inclined to uh, to some kind of peace talks, just it is done by hand. i understand those countries that are either part of the brics and have certain contacts with moscow or, let's say, countries that are currently under the control of china . you know, i swear by the fact that china's role here is much greater than that of moscow. and it is not for nothing that the president of south africa made all the calls in order to inform him about the visit and about his plans, i think that it is more in this bosom than in the russian one and of course that if we look at what the chinese are offering , they do not smoothly have china's position regarding of the political settlement of the ukrainian crisis, as they call it. well, there is the usual encrypted factual more

interests of russia than ukraine, there is such a rather disjointed first phrase about respect for the sovereignty of the territorial integrity of any state, and there the chinese primarily mean taiwan , not crimea, there donetsk or luhansk and next of course, the proposed algorithm is not always suitable for us, well, very strange. by the way, right now these african leaders have decided to go to kyiv, if , for example, it would be, well, literally a week or two therefore, it would be understandable, since in the information space there was a false opinion that this is already such a clinch , that the russians are out of breath, they cannot advance, but the ukrainians do not have the strength to do anything, and then on this decay, ours, at least the information could do something now that our let's say the outline of the offensive, this operation has begun, but it is not even inside yet, and of course we have hopes and

of course what we hear and read from our friends who are fighting now, who can give us some small picture of a great battle to show that we have optimism about this and therefore there is no sense in the grand scheme of things, this is a very ill-timed visit for the africans themselves , since they would have received a negative response anyway, well, more precisely, a diplomatic one would have been positive. thank you for your concern, we also want peace if there some points of their peace plan, we have not seen it yet, will coincide with the peace plan of ukraine or president zelensky, so we are grateful to you, let 's support it. especially since we are planning a global one, that's where we will consider all these issues, and the rest - it's not on time if would ukraine would be in a more difficult situation, let's say, if we were losing , we didn't have the resources, uh, we realized that we can't master everything, at least this period of time, then we would need some

respite, and of course, then we would thought about some form of diplomatic formalization of this conflict at the moment, of course, any ceasefire is exclusively in the interests of the russian federation , since it will mean the fixation of the fact of being on our territory and then , of course, if there is no hot phase, we we remember it very well in the 14-15th year as our western partners quickly lost interest because there are no hot events in the hot phase , no conflict. well, then they already switched to some other things. that this is part of the same plan and the chinese one, that is why they are leaving untimely, i understand that they are getting a polite absolutely answer but which will not satisfy them, i understand why they are going because, first of all, if we are talking about

african countries, these are the ones that are the most they suffer because they buy ukrainian grain because, well, ukrainian russians, because they are very dependent on russian fertilizers, because, er, this war seems to be far away in europe . olena affects the prices of energy carriers, it affects inflation, it affects the discount rate in banks, it affects the tension between the west and er, well, not only the russian federation, but the global south, and actually, that’s why all this. all these things. they do and the free solitude of these states is, let’s say, problems of a social, economic and, of course, political nature. that is, their motivation, i absolutely understand, maybe there is also a humanistic motivation, because it is clear that well, for sure, a large number of russians get pleasure when they watch innocent ukrainians being killed. i do not think that africans are africans, and of course

there is such a motivation, but the result will be, i understand what will it be like for them not so much like me to satisfy them? and the countries that are located on the african continent where there are constant wars. well, i don't know. there probably wasn't any such period where there wasn't uh, let's say this er of the armed conflict. they are trying to tell something about how it should be properly settled. sergey. allow me to disagree with you a little because i have heard more than once from various african er representatives , primarily of the expert community, they say that