[000:00:00;00] filled the halls full of those people in fancy cars, drove in their evening dresses with a lot of money, bought those tickets to sit in the apartment, and they all that beau monde rushed there , that’s how they are now wondering if they are still secretly listening to baskov somewhere over there at work there there is a man working here who will be the head of the sbu , well, please, i want to listen to him, or someone like him, lepsa, but it lives somewhere in my soul, i don't know, well, it's difficult with that, of course, gentlemen, but we'll believe that everything- after all, that's all eh, everything changes, of course people make mistakes and there is no need to harass those who choose to become ukrainians to finally throw away all this sovkovy russian. and the fact that leps

slandered is not a slander, in fact when we say soviet we mean russian when we when we say russian, we mean muscovite, when we mean muscovite, we mean something that has such a certain origin from the 100 horde times, that's just it, it's all there is one chain, it's the same tradition although she put on different robes , they got dressed, moved around, picked up the slavic language, for example. people are basically the same people who came to the kyiv region a thousand years ago, they are the same, and dear friends , the musical pause is over, let's return to our discussion with us boryslav bereza

, politician, public figure, people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation, and we will be with him to talk about such a law, which we have a law on deoligarchization, which the target commission recognized as not quite a good law , says that it has a punitive nature , boryslava we welcome you to our teri, i congratulate you , you know boryslav, somewhere before the russian invasion, i remember i think that the main event on the agenda was this anti-oligarchic law , that is, everyone was talking about it with every iron, they said that now we will defeat the oligarchs and it turns out that the law turned out to be wrong after all, is this a surprise and what is wrong with this law in the end and that after all, now we have oligarchs, well, let's start with the fact that when this law was formulated , i immediately wrote that the main purpose of this law is

to wring the media and the possibilities of the media resource from those credit, then you control them or adjust people so that they are loyal to the government they told me then that i was wrong. i say well, first of all, what determines a person as an oligarch or an oligarch is the body under which the president is subordinate. this is not normal , this cannot happen. today we see that europe is talking about exactly this, and the venice commission , which is the supreme body for the sake of europe on matters of justice and democracy, is saying that there cannot be a nsdc to the bodies that decide who is an oligarch and who is not, moreover, they are actually very m well, we were hinted that the guys should not do stupid things and revise

the law, and when the minister of justice malusika says that we were told to postpone the implementation of the law until the end of the war, he lied, he lied openly because in the summary of this decision he is on correct it in the part that is written where how who makes decisions about the oligarchs correct it and everything is necessary there, in fact three -quarters of the law must be changed three-quarters is not a law it is bullshit i'm sorry but it's true it's a separate story that even with a speech you the president of the venice commission said that we decided so gently only because of the war in ukraine so that you would not actually be harmed, so as not to frame you, but listen to what needs to be done and do it , do not imitate it, i am not sure that ukraine

will hear and understand this, but about the law on oligarchs, you see vlad at all, why don't they remember him now? well , first of all, all the media are under control. today, we have this first . second. we remember the list of oligarchs , which includes almost 100 people . nbu secretary danilov said this. where is this list? where are these oligarchs, i really want to look at 100 oligarchs in ukraine, i really want to, but why today they don’t mention him more than that. and the same vincenzo commission says that this body of the actual nsdc can be used to put pressure on the opposition and become a punitive body if someone i am not loyal to the government. i stand, someone does not support, for example, corruption, yes, the kyiv district state administration buys drums for a bomb shelter, 300

pieces. some content is highlighted. yes, it is the oligarchs who decide in the nsdc and punish them for it , or vice versa, someone starts spending millions of money on that that there is no need to withdraw 8 billion a for some defense issues and then not to buy anything and not to return the money to ukraine corruption corruption thief theft but the main thing is not to tell about it then you will not be touched like that by the venice commission says that it can become pressure and punitive, in fact, the nsdc body will be a punitive body in relation to the opposition, and this cannot be the case either, and most importantly, this law is one of the conditions for accepting us into the european union, and in this version of this law, the way to the european union will be closed for us it is necessary not only to rewrite the law, but to take away the powers of the national security council to do it institutionally and

not through any personal decisions, and also to implement the recommendations of the national security council, which states that reforms should be carried out as a judicial and antimonopoly structure, for example, in we are an anti-monopoly body known to everyone, but for some reason it does not work like this. the anti-monopoly committee should work and also introduce anti-trust legislation in ukraine , which, for example, is a student of the united states, because there were also oligarchs, they were called magnates, but they started to fight against them and in the last century they won through legislation for some reason , they came in a different way in ukraine through the law on oligarchs, which allows you to take control of snakes, which allows you to put pressure on the opposition, which allows you to determine personal through your own acceptance oligarch members oligarch and the main thing is that there is nothing to do with democracy and the rule of law, or

is it not so fantastic in this story ? "to put in prisons, well, they tried that, but there are oligarchs who are good in principle and everything is fine with them and the father-in-law from monaco does not get out and everything and everything is fine at all press conferences, for example, the same pinchuk sits and he is like a good oligarch. well, with which side don't you turn well, it's really a nice person mccartney brought aids fights well, i don't know, well, they're just a bracket oligarch that's how it is, there are no good or bad oligarchs in an oligarchy - it slows down the country , thanks to the oligarchy, the country can't develop , that's why it's understandable any oligarch is a problem that must be solved, that is why we

must get rid of all poles, but for the authorities , it is a problem to recognize this or that person if the authorities rely on this person, it is a separate issue that on the sidelines, for example, in strasbourg, i we have already said many times that we are so afraid of your old oligarchs. how many new ones are there because the old ones really lost power, control, something else? but the new oligarchs, with the support of the government in which they personally appeared during the war, can stand in the way of your integration into the european backbone, and they also talk about this and do not they are hiding, that's why we have to say goodbye to the oligarchs, we have to say goodbye forever, and also deal with what they did wrong, well, for example, the other day it became known that the same interpipe, which is related to pinchuk, a-a sold a-a pipes

for ukrnafta something at 3,800. and a year ago, ukrnafta bought them at 1,900 euros . and now it is 3,800 euros. well, if you can say about the hryvnia that it is somehow, um, inflation is working, something else, the euro , yes, i did not include such inflation, but here we see that this happens and then the question and where is our law enforcement agencies looking, where is the monopoly committee looking, where are everyone else looking or should we talk about something else , you understand frankly that it is beneficial to someone and someone crushes this story, maybe tv, maybe something happened, if someone does not notice such moments, then 100% not because he doesn’t see and because he doesn’t want to, the famous french philosopher and political scientist raymond rohn once wrote that this stage of the oligarchy is actually such that it cannot be avoided in societies that are just beginning to develop. well, that is, he explained why this happens simply because those people who

have more access to the resources of the moment and redistribution of all this, they manage to capture all these things , then they try to control politics through the media and parties a and in general, i want to say, do you not think that the oligarchy ukrainian, despite all its disadvantages, was still a bad bad model until 30 years ago, but a model, if not of democracy , then at least of pluralism, that is, the oligarchs even in all cases of such cataclysms in ukraine are political. they always put the so-called eggs into different baskets and received it position, they sometimes bet on the maidans and so on and the like, that is , they were at odds with each other, they supported at least some polyphony in the media that mostly belonged to them, of course, but

at least it provided that level of such a basic of minimal democracy that allowed us to grow little by little there we now have to reject it, but what should we have in return now when we see that all the oligarchs, relatively speaking, quietly or abroad or work quietly in the only news there, well, relatively speaking, their media resources and and we have well, let's say very strongly. that super-strong presidential vertical, he is a priest , he was once invited to television and there he asked . so, please tell me there are satanists, they are so aggressive there. they make sacrifices, they can kill an animal or a child, and there are sectarians. well, for example, the white brotherhood. they didn't kill anyone. so who is better ? he watched it. i'm sorry, i don't understand the types of crap here , the same story is any oligarch - it 's bad for good. i remember that when the oligarchs wanted it, they let it on television. and when

they didn't want to close the television and i also saw it many times myself . well, it can't be and we need to separate one more for ukrainians, it is necessary for ukrainians to understand a lot. a person and an oligarch are different things in the united states, estonia, israel or canada there are billionaires, but they are not oligarchs, and this is the main thing in us, unfortunately, when a person is rich and they start calling him an oligarch, no. when a person uses his finances for political influence, to solve his problems or protect business, or, on the contrary , to strengthen his position in politics and because of this, through influence, through the exchange of votes , for example, to get those other preferences - this is an oligarch . and when a person engages in his own business, he is a businessman. by the way, this is how i saw history and it is no secret when in the parliament

exchanged votes who vote for the presidential laws for the appointment of olesya ilashchuk, and who conducted courses on the execution of the blowjob and the selection in bulgaria. here is an example of the exchange of their interests . a person works and earns money and pays taxes and works in the legal and legal sphere, there are no questions for him, so i want to say the main thing, you can't say that oligarchs are good no, but it's bad when the government that comes to democratic elections when the government that comes and says that no, we will not choose democracy , begins to engage in authoritarianism and actually begins to have a monopoly not only to control the media, but also to decide what to let in the media. and what not, then this is the main problem with the information content of this information plane then this is an attack on

freedom of speech, this is an attack on people's rights to know what is happening, but this is a big problem. because we have only one party in the single telethon, only one position, and only praise they don't say anything about corruption to our authorities there. in general, and by the way, i want to ask. can you remind me? and where is the face of 2022 now, who, according to the only telephonist, was kyrylo tymoshenko, where is he now , the same face of the year. where did it disappear, what happened? how are we without face, we can live on, let's imagine and even i don't understand, that's why you know today we see how the grouping of the information space is going through control, this cannot be in a democratic saturday country , by the way, our european

partners also say this. when our government says about elections a she really wants to hold elections, they tell her please, but equal access to winter is an absolute condition for holding fair elections, everything else cannot be like this, and the government really really wants to hold elections, why well, you will see the elections very soon, they wanted everyone to convert this rating the president who exists now as the person who represents ukraine on the front committee is under control, while the information plane is under control, while the president has a very high rating, while everything can be controlled, the authorities want to monetize it, the voters said it aloud, and this it is possible to do it, but now. if earlier they wanted to hold elections this year, now

the spring of 2024 is being actively discussed, but even for me, i still do not understand how elections can be held after losing part of the territory , how elections can be held when there is no voter register, how elections can be held when there is no the opportunity to vote for a huge number of people who went abroad, and in an effort to hold elections due to the action of our western partners, they immediately reject it, as they say, no, it is impossible, because it is not only a violation of votes and this is still impossible not even a recount of votes is actually impossible to do it is anonymous or everyone will see who voted from well and with the counting of votes there is a big question of trust in those who will count it mr. boryslav eh maryana bezula is a representative of the powerful political force page, lately i have the impression that every post of hers must contain the word porohoboty. on june 4, she wrote a post about porohobots

, compared them to the russians and said that they should disappear, and wrote who borislav bereza is, she doesn't know. i don't know her and i won't know. past dinosaur, you hear the bandages, you see their convulsive networks from the fourth of june, more than a week has already passed, did you know if she met you, maybe she already knows who you are and what you are, and in general, why so recently , she has a lot of posts about the opposition, the first government chose for it’s not a bad idea for everyone who criticizes corruption, fakapa abuse , nepotism, who asks questions about lieutenant bakanov, about kebabs, about many other things, and everyone calls them scumbags. by the way

, in 2019, i voted for anya for zelenskyi. not for poroshenko, and i believe that i had no choice then, but anyway they record everyone about work. you understand, this is such a marker , it works, but it also works for the execution of society during the war, working for the execution of society can be either a fool or confirm the gunpowder or a person who still wants a totalitarian country and totalitarian government in the country, so i want to say that ms. maryana should go to psychiatrists from the beginning , because we met now and she knows me sincerely. and if she doesn't remember, that's problems are already coercive activity with military activity well, it happens especially if you use some prohibited substances, and secondly , and law enforcement agencies should deal with it , because the proposal to disappear count, and they counted all those who criticize them . well, i want to say that a huge number of those who criticize is in the army, risking his life or dying for maryana to open

her black market, and this is a very interesting story , how it correlates with the protection of ukraine and the fact that discord is brought about by the servant of the people, mrs. maryana i guess she forgot that she is a servant and should serve and not bark with her bad black mouth. well, what to do with this life, we understand that after the 19th year, a huge amount of foam got into the verkhovna rada, we already see that the servants of the people have come, the rapist ivan is the first collaborator who came to the side russian kovalev first, he is a corrupt official who is officially recognized by the highest anti-corruption court of ukraine as a shantytown . interfered with the victory. thank you, mr. boryslava boryslav bereza, politician, public figure, people's deputy of ukraine of the 8th convocation, was in touch with us, and now we are adding

andrii magera, a lawyer, to the conversation by phone as the deputy chairman of the central election commission, mr. andriy, we welcome you here, mr. boryslav said there are people there who refer to certain sources in the president's office who say that there may be elections, then are there really elections in a country in which martial law has been declared, congratulations, i really would i would like our government to be more concerned with the war and winning this war than with the elections, because elections in martial law conditions are a priori impossible and try to artificially end the martial law in the hope that the russian federation will not continue military actions, shelling, the use of missiles uavs and so on. well, this is very offensive on the part of the ukrainian authorities, therefore, frankly speaking, i

would like elections to take place only when it is possible to adhere to the generally recognized standards of the election process , in particular, in the principle of free elections in principle the secrecy of the voting principle, the participant in the election only under these conditions is it possible to conduct the election process in ukraine in this other it will simply be an imitation of the process and nothing more . the chairman of the what is the cec now, to what extent can it perform the function of an independent body svitlana, the election commission was formed in accordance with the constitution according to the proposals of the parliamentary factions that were, it is a fact that the absolute majority

representatives are the nominees of the party, the servant of the people, this is also not a secret for anyone , at the same time, there are no grounds for the early termination of the powers of the members of the central election commission, including those who at one time offered their position . the fact that they will still be able to organize the electoral process and parliamentary and presidential elections after the end of the war after our victory, what do you say about the legislative changes proposed by kivalova's former assistant and member of parliament from the people's party of ukraine a now she represents the restoration group of ukraine antonina slavetska, she wants to reformat the cec, uh, with a political connection, i can uh, have a bad attitude towards the party, which were pro-kremlin, about the russian ones, i mean the upszh opoblok of the sharia party and a lot of other things, which were on ukrainian political firmament

, however, it is necessary to understand that the independent composition of the central election commission is a rather sensitive topic for our international partners , not to mention the fact that it is necessary to proceed from the legislation of ukraine and the constitution of ukraine you know me, it would be very surprising if our initiative collector serhiy dubovik was fired, this is a person who is appointed to the central election commission for the third time on the underground with a soft, i never had any doubt and to accuse him of some pro-russian sentiments for that too it is very unworthy, after all, i have known the man for many years. it was almost 20 years ago. such ideas were introduced by the verkhovna rada. this is nothing more than pressure on the members of the central election commission. mr. andrii. thank you very much for this conversation. andriy magera, a lawyer, will become the deputy chairman of the election commission. andriy magera was a constitutionalist with us, and now, well

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