[000:00:00;00] the fact that the situation is absolutely calm, that there is no need for mobilization, that there is no need for martial law on the territory of russia, that is, he needed this meeting first of all in order to convince his compatriots that there is no war on the territory of russia and there will not be one, and that the war will continue on the territory of ukraine until the achievement of those goals, which, as we can see , change month by month, the evolution of putin during the full-scale invasion, from what you say, we conclude that, after all, hmm, something is changing. and if they start reporting to him more truthful information and the parallel successes of the ukrainian counteroffensive. do you think it is more in the direction of more adequate , somehow, i will express it in this way, the perception of the situation of the russian leadership can come out. is it impossible there? well , the question is what is adequacy, russian adequacy can be if you start reporting more adequately, then perhaps it is necessary

to launch more er production of weapons , carry out mobilization, do something to achieve the goals that vladimir putin considers er obvious from the point of view of continuing this war, it is possible that it is not necessary that no one adequately told him anything, this is just a huge question, you know, this is the fight of the anti-corruption fund of the massive anti-corruption fund in russia. is on the border with transcarpathia. true, we are aware that, by and large, the defeat of the russian army is also connected with the fact that this army turned out to be not so well armed, not so prepared, not so combat-capable as it was it is visible on paper and why because corruption from the source, this army, it is devouring the russian state as such corruption is a huge friend of the ukrainian people, if there was no corruption , there would be no ukraine either. i mean corruption in russia, and ultimately it is putin, and in this great

interview i admitted that not all systems, including air defense systems, work as well as they would like, in parallel, and everything is somehow not as it was written in those documents that he reads every day. it is necessary not only to work with documents, but i do not think that he will realize this, but at the same time there was an article about a kremlin political scientist named karaganov, and many people also emphasize this, who called for a nuclear conflict with a collective measure, this article is published in parallel with a large interview of putin , perhaps it is such a game that well, if not putin. look, we have enough crazy people there to really direct missiles at european capitals. do you think we should pay attention to these calls of russian political scientists, because noting everything that this mr. karaganov, well, in quotes of course, mr.

such statements well, he may be close and may have even fulfilled a certain order of the kremlin, announcing these terrible theses about attacks on the european capital, even if it is possible to achieve success in ukraine, the war will not end with a collective measure. what is this statement for and what are they preparing for ? years and he has one big problem all his life, he really wants to please the russian government and always makes the wrong bet, you know, this happens with casino players . works i remember very well how mr. karaganov ran around moscow in 1999 and shouted to everyone he met that it was necessary to quickly destroy yeltsin and yeltsin's entourage, put yevgeny primakov in the position of president of russia and that would save the country. well, it didn't turn out the way he wanted and then all his career plans were destroyed by the fact that people came to power who absolutely did not intend to forget his

behavior in the last period of yeltsin's rule . well, for the chekists, of course, he is an agent there, but he is not his own, so this article is another attempt like to show that he can be the best tormentor of the dragon, but you see the meaning of this article that russia should strike nato member countries in europe with nuclear weapons, this is not about ukraine, but about poland, about france, about germany, hoping that the united states will not respond to this nuclear attack, but you know, mr. karaganov writes these articles well, the responsibility for whether the united states will react or not will probably not be on karaganov, but on mr. putin. mr. putin will decide what he will press on press the button and will not know whether it will fly or not, it will suddenly fly, they also told mr. putin to die and a huge number

of people, millions of people, so i think that putin's responsibility for the possibility of a nuclear attack on nato is from mr. karaganov's hanna to remind mr. putin that he he is still alive and really wants to be noticed well, all the comments vitaliy portkov is blocking what is happening now and those important messages that sounded from putin, and we have to analyze them to understand what it is about joins us our next guest is ostap drozdov, blogger, journalist, tv presenter, writer, welcome, mr. ostap, glory to ukraine , my respect, colleagues, glory to the heroes, and if we continue the conversation that we started somewhere with vitaly portnikov and talked about the nuclear threat, again, because they are moving this equipment in belarus, they are putting pressure on the whole world

and on us, including, they want to say that their hand will conditionally not tremble there, we can look at the quote of this bog leader lukashenka , how he said about it and when when they talked about nuclear weapons, please bring them to us, and i i'll find her now. i didn't just mean putin, he meant, i asked, i already demanded. give me back the nuclear weapons, i don't need strategic ones. i'm not going to fight with america tactically, it's quite enough and the scandal hits 500 m and more. and because he has a nuclear warhead that's how oleksandr lukashenko , the president of belarus, as he calls himself, explained in an interview for russian journalists that they can p ostape , what do you think, how realistic is it that they resort to this? well, we understand that here lukashenko is just a puppet in the hands of a puppeteer.

you see, at the beginning of everything that we are going through on february 24. last year, i never avoided it because it is a priori plum going throughout our war, as i told your studio , dear colleagues, and it is obvious, and i wrote here about what we have well, in principle, nothing has changed until now, because we were attacked by a nuclear state, and this is its main non-competitive , unscrupulous, asymmetrical, disproportional advantage, and this is, in fact, how it was and remains the only thing that i just all last year i called the nuclear topic and this is the constant wave of nuclear not with a baton and

warheads, i would call them eh, you are such an intimidating scumbag, and somewhere something tells me that it is precisely the western world , plus or minus somewhere plus or minus, who behaved this way because it is still guided by the dogma of the 20th century of nuclear deterrence or nuclear balancing there. actually, now already hmm, first of all, it's been a week since kakhovka , as i see it, the nuclear topic is already moving from the section of those intimidating bluffs to the section of real threats with such a demonstrative demonstration. sorry for the tautology of your alleged intentions to cross this red line plus we must understand that just in this nuclear whole concept of nuclear deterrence there is a certain such it is prescribed by analysts as such a logical inflection, that is

, it always follows the formula if coma then nuclear the topic if there will be terrible failures failure russia's fiasco on all fronts coma that's exactly nuclear concepts - this multiplies the probability, the probability, the risk is called . how do you want to actually resort to such a scenario of a mass that loses and it still remains nuclear and that trump for him this is his logic, that is, he will lose on all fronts, but he still has some kind of conditional button and he will not use it until the last try

. well, it just multiplies and increases as it is. so, well, not paradoxically, it actually sounds very linear. and mostly it’s driven into the path . that’s why it is. this is such a nuclear implication, if it exists, and with this, the measure works every day. do you know any of these editions in the rainbow sphere? they really work with this scenario that whatever the course of such a regular war might be there is winning back positions and what will actually show is added to this

, this is such a non-competitive, unscrupulous person, you have to live with your head and without any objections , you know how to approach this from one extreme to the other. well, i'm not there i take 200 years, because that's how it is in the last 100 years, it hasn't lost any of its pride, in particular in the most recent putin history or in this most recent one that we remember, this is not a story from textbooks, all that fascinated me was this gas station, terrorist nuclear, it remained if not under it, it is formally in the status of suspended, disputed, unrecognized entities, such as transnistria, abkhazia, for 30 years, as, or even 40 years, porn and 30 years as an axis, as in the end, crimea as a horde, that is, in

the experience of this enemy in the national memory there is no such thing as losing the occupied territory by them, in fact the entire history of the current year is a historical moment in general when russia for the first time in its two-hundred-year-three-hundred-year history there is really facing the risk of losing and losing the occupied territory what is not described in the national memory and this actually brings us to this topic of some extreme measures and actually in agony before the fear of losing this actually. there can be different scenarios and here only a preventive measure can work, it is not even the competence of the national government of ukraine because the topic anchor deterrence - this is the competence of the west and it is definitely the last one so that i do not return to it. i will generally say that what is the whole idea of ​​nuclear deterrence that we must understand, which was in the xx century built

on the idea of ​​the so-called nuclear draw, in nuclear wars there is no winner in this the essence is that if the idea of ​​all that nuclear deterrence of the nuclear balance is that there are no winners in nuclear wars, there is always a draw regardless of who is right and who is wrong. therefore, this is actually the same apocalyptic topic in principle where here are only a few countries in the world. well, they can generally treat this competently, just this idea is nobody's business. this is actually an idea of ​​the 20th century history. we have an actually historic chance to rewrite this history and show that in some other way, after

all, nuclear states can and must lose this is actually global, some such saying, the future is the only one, but how will we, of course, it will already be seen here, you can't rush ahead for gas i don't want to dramatize but, again , here's how we should perceive the continuation of that somewhere what are you saying, ostap, how serious are we? we have to take any threats even despite the general information field . you see, this week we learned that in the first days of the war, there was an absolutely realistic picture when all the bridges connecting the right and left banks could be destroyed in kyiv. we found out about it only a year later, this is going back to the topic of what we will say, so we will get the information that is actually there, and the same thing. now, you are talking about it, i also immediately started thinking about the realism of the nuclear threat, so at that moment, we are sure they probably won't tell this information

if it is very serious, so i understand everything the enemy did, he actually strung it on himself, he didn't strengthen his own nuclear goats, it's chernobyl, well, remember that they were in chernobyl and we don't know who were there anyway undercurrents from their release, the report and definitely the occupation of the zaporizhzhia npp since the occupation of the zaporizhia npp and it has been a year, well, in fact, even more, we are living in a nuclear scenario in general, because this trump is obviously extremely strong, he is uncontrolled, and what went there that store then you can call it whatever you want to call those e-e a couple of letters, not that well, there is no influence on this

because it is in the hands of the panda and everything is on his account. because the army also has its honor, its code, its lines, i will not cross and so on, and i am not talking about the international conventions to which there are often , but they are trying to drag his limbs to some conventions. well, you understand that. actually from this point of view, we are generally a year we live in this and at any moment we understand very well kakhovka actually dragged the realism of the conversations about the next steps and actually here with the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant it is well here it lies on the surface as long as it is controlled with grenades well

of course something nuclear well, it’s not as if the blow is like that, but it’s like a treat with a nuclear foul, so that’s why we are in this scenario, in fact , we are in the matrix, its actualization still has a combination of certain stimulus stimuli that can totevitize it and freeze this topic, so it remains unsolved and now neither you no i, no one can give an answer to what could possibly be about this, i think there is a very huge array of underwater information, so you remember a year, a year later, we are there like sacks, what are you going to the shore at all it was planned to be cut off from the rules and we would return

to such a state. imagine the great ruin of the end of the 17th century, when the state was divided into two parts. allies on prevention for the impossibility of these extreme scenarios, because the time of extreme scenarios is open with a bang and we understand that the idea of ​​extreme scenarios is no longer a theory, but it is simply an instrumental idea for our enemy, who will lose the more and we understand this ecological connection the greater is the risk of actually resorting to some such cataclysmic global damage , causing damage, well , the decision of general zuluzhny when he said not to blow up these bridges with uh-uh and other is extremely good here shore in kyiv and ot probably from such specific decisions and sometimes everything goes in a completely different direction, as it could have gone, that is, they

are changing global history, but if we conclude about this whole nuclear danger , if we sum up, then in fact russia is ungovernable. so it can in any -what moment if it will understand that it will lose and we press them on the battlefield to use this nuclear button, we will not be able to protect ourselves from them in any way, it may be in response that our partners can protect us well, but this is a nuclear war in which, again, no one wins because everyone suffers, another matter is that if they see their advantages, they will again threaten with this nuclear button that they can use it otherwise , let's sit down at some negotiating table or agree on something. that is, it turns out that we are in any case worse off situation, because they have nuclear weapons, we don't have them, but if then well, let's think about it, ostape , that is, what can change, who can influence it, what scenario can the world take to

resolve all this so that it does not come to the point that that's all babahne and that's it, and let's end here , no one will give an answer. it seems to me that there is no one on the planet earth. there can only be the opinions of specific people, and i am more than my own. by the way, i am not very competent there, because i am not a security, all the more so we had one. well, if we had a scenario from the whole plot, we just each draw our own conclusions . i am here before, well, if i, i, as a normal person, probably see very different options and it can be so , it can be so, it can be so and all of them is are equally relevant and all of them can be applied, therefore, in principle, such an online reality as war

, which is always changing, there is always an effect of force majeure, something extraordinary that immediately unfolds everything, it is not at all impossible to make predictions and no one makes them. i simply will not go back a little because just when this great invasion began. do you know who are all of ours ? i agree with oksana zabuzhko here, who very nicely swept up all our kligarny who he is , what is a fashionable historian, his books, nouel hara, how to describe a fashionable historian and a thinker who said that in general, in the xxi, a person has three times more risks of dying from suicide, committed simply from boredom than from soldiers, because wars in the xxi century are a complete perversion, it must be against her, oh,

otherwise, some word should be hammered on the whole head in order to lead in the 21 hundred years of war and actually this whole paradigm of treating war as a perversion as an anomaly actually exists and existed in the west and actually this is such a shock and sobering up that our war is exactly the war of the 20th century because in the 20th and invaders with the aim of annexing foreign territories, there are a bunch of hybrid methods to colonize economically, to connect, geopolitically , to turn a puppet into a satellite, and so on, the church. this is all politics, but such direct interventionist invasions by warriors of the invading type are not even 20

it's basically some kind of i don't know 18-17 centuries in the xxi it's impossible to imagine the world . actually speaking, well, one is breathing from the shock that in the xxi century we have scenarios against which the best minds of this planet worked in the 20th , such as making nuclear diseases impossible in fact, we just live in search of our place in that life, which objectively will still develop without us and after us, and i simply deny myself the right to even fantasize about this topic, to assume different options, because no one knows at all before that and there is a healthy dose of fatalism in this, i leave it at that and simply well, what can i say to you if it seems to me that no one can predict anything

at all. on our broadcasts i am definitely sure that they will be ilya gandalf, callsign handel samoilenko, lieutenant, temporarily performing the duties of the deputy commander of the azov brigade regarding work with personnel, we are already on skype . - so to speak, without warm-ups , it is very interesting to know whether you keep in touch with the commanders of azov in turkey, who are currently in accordance with this agreement between russia , turkey and ukraine on the territory of this state, or are there any chances for the nearest the return, after all, we have already talked more than once in our broadcasts about the fact that , even now, for the current ukrainian counter-insurgency, the return of the experienced azov soldiers , who led the bitter defense of mariupol, would be a very serious

and qualitative and emotional push for success e-e of the ukrainian armed forces in general directly communicated with the commander . the morale of the soldiers is strengthened and improved by the combat experience of experienced commanders , commanders who led the defense of the city of mariupol. of the turkish side, how uh-uh is it clear that they will make the final decision , because they are obliged to the russian people , this is not true, this is a distortion of information, first of all, secondly, it is not my

competence to conduct negotiations, this is not part of the list of my job duties and skills, i will tell you this, well, the statement of the question is not entirely correct in principle, that is, about the role of the turkish side. i think you should ask the people who conducted these negotiations , firstly, and secondly, the people who concluded them concluded certain documents, i could simply, for my personal and professional point of view, scatter eh well, in what way could a positive decision affect a actually, these were the first questions, from whom in the first place, now it depends um, in my competence of this there is no well, i understand that these are certain agreements

, yes, at least one hundred percent of our government, because it is our citizens, secondly, with others, with a third party, in this case, either russia will be appropriate . view or i do not touch these processes and speculate on these issues saturate the information field with distracting factors and information viruses if we are fighting for our nation to be united and formed to fight for the protection of our country, then in no case it is impossible to allow infofields to be saturated with speculative and pretexts, because it is precisely in our comments that people ask about it when they see your photo , the announcement of what you will be, they ask what is the fate of the azov people, so we will eventually hide these questions , it is also interesting to know what is the fate of those fighters who are now in russia and they are being tried because there are such people too and as we understand the

trial was held today information about how honest this court is. i won't even say because , uh , because it shouldn't be, in principle. this is also a very vivid example of a topic for speculation, that is, there is no first park of justice in russia . in connection with them there is no and we can get information only by official channels there or through open channels publicly available, and thirdly, there is no informational presence, information publicity in the infopol, it almost

in no way affects the course of this process , because this process is essentially farcical , it is fabricated, if have you seen certain notes from russian resources there , you can see that cooks are being tried there , for example, drivers of the rear service and so on, this all very well reflects the essence of the russian situation, but nevertheless the fact remains that there are a very large number of people in captivity, more than 650 people, and the russians are already involving them in legal proceedings, absolutely a faction, absolutely sub-contracted , the conclusion is that these people must be obtained as soon as possible, and this is how and how i think the competence is responsible for the process of exchange of prisoners can citizens actively influence this, how and in some way, well, apart from spreading information and drawing

attention to the problem of prisoners of war, most likely in no other way, why can we to directly influence the russian fake justice no, we can't, well, i'm busy this one should simply reflect people's attitude to this problem, to this issue, secondly, people don't have any questions at all, and how should we relate to this? millions of words have already been said, hundreds of interviews have been given prisoners on the topic of how to work with it and how to react every time we expect, well , we get the impression that we expect what we are, we are just waiting for the russians to release