[000:00:00;00] to hold a referendum there, we so-called joined african countries after the visit to russia, a group of african countries also proposed their peace plan, probably written under the kremlin's uh-uh stamp, however, now uh-huh, they will propose it directly during their visit to ukraine, what do you think? some basic ones should also be expected in this african peace plan. will it be similar to the same indonesian or chinese one, and today i see this one with the ambassador of one of the african countries who is actually preparing this visit is actually a very phenomenal visit, not even that from the point of view of the peace plan, more than anything, it will not suit us and we will thank them very much, we will invite them to ukraine for reconstruction, maybe we will sign some grain agreements, maybe some others, but definitely not

they will build a bright future for us, this is clearly not the political weight that can influence russia, or it can be a tool used by russia against us , but it is not such a difficult mystery that we do not solve it. peace eh, it is planned to be written in russian, obviously it will not get our approval here . well, such military classics are coming , yes, even a writer from paris and artists from london came to goldmr. well, but the arabs were still convinced by israeli weapons and convinced by the fact that there is a lot of talent in why henryk iglera, well, now kessangeru does not take part in this war, but there are many other influential negotiators who can help ukraine to get exactly what we want, look , i think that african countries, their arrival is really symbolic, so many african the presidents of the courts have not yet arrived this year, in general, we can call it the year of ukraine and the global rooster of our exit to the continent of africa to the continent of latin america from

a diplomatic point of view and a political point of view, well, from an economic point of view, we were minimally present from a military point of view. we were also a little today, even a little energy there used to be bribes in sales in our country, but we didn't have strong political and diplomatic steps. now we will open. well, i think that if we succeed in making all the plans there will be the largest number of embassies that any country has opened this year, that's why it's good. what is needed is the continent and they will tell about ukraine, let's talk about it in a little more detail, even at the summit of this formula of peace, which president volodymyr zelenskyi recently spoke about, which is to be held in in july, they are planning to attract the country of this very global rooster, we are also talking about the same brazil , whose president volodymyr zelenskyi did not meet there, and we know the position of the president of this country regarding his attitude and to vladimir putin behind the carpet, in particular, and they want to involve china there too, and it is likely that these countries are african, that is how ukraine

started its diplomatic work in these directions in general. why, for example, there was no significant work there for us for so long with the representatives of these countries, well, the kind that could convert them to our fight. in this confrontation with the russian federation, and again, what can we expect from this work in the future? well, look. let's say we can gather them around the formula of peace. well, and again, as insiders say, this event will most likely take place closer to independence day, or maybe even on independence day itself, but we can collect under the pretext of peace, but in fact we want to use them to create a tribunal on the basis of the un regarding punishment without writing history, although very fast in ukraine, after all, you have to go through the full procedure, because mass murders due to the destruction of the kakhova hydroelectric power plant, kidnapping of children , rape of people, killing of ukrainians

exclusively due to national identity, that's all genocidal things that should be punished at the un site. and no matter how much we like some countries. we don't like their votes. we need them. that's why we need to turn on all the political and diplomatic tools right now to unite these countries around ukraine and make them our allies in the party framework. make it so that they then vote for the decisions we need at the un platform so that war criminals such as putin and his kadyrov and their entire cell together with the well-suited bears and the rest of those who rejoice and organize the murder on the territory of ukraine so that they answer and this is precisely a very important moment of this pan-fraternity with african latin american countries, chinese and asians in order to drag them precisely to the side of justice and not to the side of dictatorships where they can now mistakenly find themselves, that's why this work is for us hard, routine, but it does not always seem like the most attractive counteroffensive there , but it must be done because this work, which

will then allow us to properly end the war, punish criminals and pay and reparations deputy, you just mentioned the explosion of the kakhovka hpp, and i can't actually ask the following question. how do you do, from what you track, from what you see, i generally think that the international community is reacting to this story , which is already called the biggest technogenic the catastrophe of at least the last decades yes, because we do not see a reaction from the international red cross, we do not see a reaction from the un , we do not see, we do not see, in particular, the ukrainian red cross yes, it is in the kherson region, it rescues there and helps to evacuate people there but globally there are such large organizations that were actually created for this purpose, for some reason we do not notice them among those boats and among those people, ah, i watch a lot and communicate with such organizations. it seems to me that

charitable foundations and charitable organizations help the world and ukraine at a small and medium level more than the big ones specially created for this and financed by billions do not cope at all with what they set out to do and what they set out to do. and this suggests that somewhere they have atrophied themselves in something. well, for example, eh the organization global kidson that kind of fed people many times more er larger scale helped between the red cross , it is together ukrainian, we observe the belgorod region, which helps the locals there, provides them with humanitarian aid but why exactly this money , they have no money or humanitarian aid for their vests, this organization created by empires not for the benefit of those who were colonies , the red cross is an imperial organization that was created to serve moscow, paris

, beijing, and other countries, but not in order to to really help those who need to be helped very often in order to seem to follow their own rules, they start playing along with moscow and say that this is apparently normal well, i think that the ukrainian leadership and our example will break this stupid paradigm, it should not be like this when people are killed, they go to the occupier and pay them money well, in general, you are fascism in its pure form. well, i think that after all, the red cross ions will undergo reforms after the end of this war, and these reforms will begin in ukraine, and you know, if the world imposed reforms on us before that, now we we will impose reforms on the world because there is a very simple difference between blacks and whites and evil, but on the contrary, they show a whole

difference. nobody needs cars on the day of the collection , they could save people in kherson oblast, and he wrote that they are yuslers, they are not needed , they are useless . the protest is salivating, the veins are shriveled like you are so bad what do you mean to us when you accidentally drowned and wasted well, here are such people that the day of the russian language is obvious and we started with justin's visit for three weeks, let's actually finish it, but let's end it with a bow, let's call it yes, justin tridub promised that a ruslan plane of ukrainian production but of the russian company volga-dnepr, which is parked at the airport in toronto and has been there since february 20, 2022, if i'm not mistaken, that is

, three days before or in four days for to the large-scale russian invasion of ukraine, he may now serve and serve ukraine, he will return to the motherland, where it was actually produced. how did you perceive such a gift, as soon as the full procedure for the confiscation of this aircraft will be carried out that it will be handed over to the ukrainian side, the gift is such a small step towards of my great ukrainian dream , we will rebuild it, and now we will start with a small one. ruslan , there is less, less is a copy of our pride, but the precedent of confiscation and transfer is important here . this is how we will do with hundreds of billions russian dollars for the arrested states in europe, in switzerland, in canada and in other countries, and we will hand it over to that dorodo is actually doing a much greater service than it actually is. in fact, he is creating a legal, financial and political precedent when everyone says we can't, we say

, but canada did, build the plane first it is worth tens of millions of dollars there, then in dollars, and then the fortune of some oligarch there will be transferred to tens of billions of dollars, and then to all oligarchs, hundreds of billions of dollars, and this money will go to the riches of sumy region, kherson region, wherever necessary, we these we will use the money because it will not be so that the occupiers who attacked the country at night will not pay for it, they will pay on the battlefield and it has already begun, we are now seeing the liberation of successful ukrainian villages in several directions well, they will pay for this finance, they understood what they will pay in gas on the bench summaries thank you thank you mr. mykolayovych maybe i think you know that after kakhovka not everyone will live, but that is another story so thank you let this be the first

thread to the ukrainian shirt which from canada starts weaving the first one, and the whole world will touch this weaving. thank you very much mykola, they will prove it. davidyuk, a political scientist, was with us, we talked about, in particular, the visas of the justin trio to kyiv, as well as the world's reaction to the explosion caused by the occupiers at the kakhovsky hpp , let's talk about it further and with our next guest, in particular, about the reaction of a number of international organizations also to russia's undermining of the kakhovskaya dam, it turned out to be quite sluggish in a situation when urgent professional actions were needed, they delayed and evaded specifics, so the representative of the office of the un high commissioner for human rights jeremy lauren said that it is allegedly impossible to assess whether the explosion of the kakhovka hydroelectric power station is a russian war crime. and since russia does not allow un representatives to the site of the explosion , it is difficult to find out these circumstances. the international committee of the red cross refrained from providing assistance to the population of the left-bank territories of the kherson region because it received permission from the occupiers for inaction on the part of president

zelenskyi and the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, the un said that they understand the disappointment of the ukrainian a three-stage response plan, namely the evacuation of people, the delivery of vital items and the assessment of long-term consequences , they were announced by the un deputy secretary general, martin griffiths, he will speak with a call to provide ukraine with additional funds to help the victims, but although he wants to wait, he wants and asks to wait a few weeks to see the full scale of the consequences of the disaster oleksandr levchenko , diplomat and ordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in the republic of croatia, on the 10th of the 17th, join our broadcast, oleksandr , welcome to the broadcast, greetings, volodymyr zelenskyi called the reaction of such international organizations, the un and the red cross, a shocking quote. how would you rate it? in general, why is such a reaction slow enough and not fast, even though these organizations were created precisely to respond to such challenges as

this terrorist attack on the kakhovsky hpp? understand that the un secretariat employs a huge number of russians who supposedly work there under contracts, but all of them are former employees of the ministry of foreign affairs and agents of foreign intelligence and military undercover intelligence that seems to be delegated from the russian side by their legendary biographies . why did they cover up the fact? and in the representative office , where is our every brother, there is their person , if not the director in another department , the deputy, if not in another department, then in another even for the video, if it doesn't work, then some guide, expert, everyone is covered in grids by the unit of the united nations , why is this done? this is done in order to

block in the event of an emergency making some operational decisions you must understand that the first deputy secretary general of the un is the russians, let's understand that the head of the un branch is getting married, there is a huge structure there, a number of international organizations are a little less than in new york, it is headed by a russian, the un anti- terrorism unit is headed by the russians well, i am decided to understand that when moscow was preparing to blow up the dam, it was clear that it had to be accompanied by information, so separate information immediately launched e-e disinformation that the ukrainian side had done it periods oriented the international media community and so on and so on. of course, this is such a very

incomprehensible reaction, especially from the international structures for which they work in the united nations system, so it's as if the russians said, look at the damage we have on the side where we hold crimea. until now, it is not receiving water and so on. it is clear that all this is for the benefit of the ukrainian side . meanwhile, we know that the german satellite was knocked out . we already know about the interception of radio communications. not exactly according to the plan as they wanted well, in the end, you have to understand that stalin also undermined the dnieper in 1941, he thought that he would stop the progress of the willow , as a result, he flooded hundreds of ukrainian peasants

, and these are not only peasants, collective farm workers, but also red army men who are nothing did not suspect that there was such an action from the kremlin to blow up this largest hydroelectric power plant in europe, the kremlin's argument that they seem to have suffered more than the right bank, which is actually geographically a little higher than the left bank, which is why it suffered more, it is completely inappropriate because the cream simply did not calculate its idiotic plan as planned, the detonation wedge wanted to flood maybe not such a large amount of territory and everything went but we do not care because this is a crime of a planetary scale, this is an act of terrorism - this is a war crime and this is a crime against humanity for which, of course, the cream and its political leadership should be responsible

, so that the main desire of ukrainian citizens is, of course, that 99% go to hell, 1% believe that putin ended up somewhere in the army, but it is desirable under water, because once again i return to the international organizations , their reaction is such that it is necessary to understand that they are pro-russian and until we throw out russia the discounts of these international organizations and their representatives, they will be so slow, as if you see, not quite objective, right? you will understand why aid went to belgorod and not here. that's because russians work for the secretary of the same organizations. they know who to help here and when, and it's actually so extraordinary that it's surprising, it's horrifying, it's causing

even allow me to use such a word of disgust that in the belgorod region, the red cross, the international father of problems , is ready to rush there to help give out money, not even apart from humanitarian machines, but the tragedy that happened, which is called again, one of the biggest man-made disasters in recent decades what happened at the hands of the occupiers at the expense of their terrorist act happened in the kherson region, this same red cross does not notice even when you wave evidence in his face the secretariat of the red cross in the secretariat of the un in these international organizations there are russian interveners - this this is what has happened in recent years or in fact since the creation of these organizations this has been established can we or is it possible that such a situation was created on purpose explain that we

better understood them russia has a large angle is constantly filled well, for example, we had a mission, a special observation mission, in kyiv, there are 8 percent of the mission in this mission, this is the war in the east, the ato, 8% of the mission, these russians in they work for us, which seem to mediate the osce, or do they work so that the war will end sooner or help end this conflict, the pd and so on, that is, the special mission was closed in this monitoring place in kyiv, and in april , a representative was appointed to close it, and it turns out that her husband is russians from moscow has been there for a long time seriously and systematically , we need to understand this carefully, approach the matter carefully

, study this scheme, convey to the general secretary everything that we see, who is open data, who works in it, and so on the solution is because the representatives of the aggressor country cannot represent such a huge number of places there, and with the help of this system, they are all connected to each other because they are already coordinated by special services, this is the foreign intelligence service, as a rule, and this means that this coordination takes place they are constantly in the game, of course, they have a circle of friends, everyone in their own department in the neighboring department, they convey some uh pseudo-information, some lies, bribe someone , invite guests, and so on uh, friends, and so on, unfortunately for a long time, we have such results , they are white-handed, and they are not available in kherson oblast, oleksandr. and if

we talk about the investigation of the terrorist attack at the kakhov hydroelectric power plant, we hear from many countries of our allies that ah it is necessary to create some kind of commission or a separate investigative body that must collect all the evidence in order to later prove the guilt of the russian federation. bore the responsibility, it is necessary to gather the evidential base, it is undeniable . however, there are already theses that russia should also be in this investigative group, to what extent the participation of russia, for example, in such a process of the investigation of the explosion at the kakhovsky hpp, can interfere with its result. the investigation of its results. they held this hydroelectric power station, so we can’t do without them, we need to go to

them for information, we need to take something from them. they have to convey something. that in such a situation it is not possible without them, another thing is that they are not allowed to conduct investigative actions, it is another matter whether conflicts should be from others and so on, and that they do not allow representatives of the left bank, for example , to write it like that, look, sir oleksandr anatorechchyna yes yes p alexander, please agree, forgive the russian side for such things that everyone will be taken by the head and this will be known to the one who is not allowed in, and from this their authority to our representatives of the representatives of geneva in

new york is constantly asking to add them questions and so on, do something, help, and become more active, and so on, mr. oleksandrovich, turkey, which usually plays the role of mediator between ukraine and russia in the context of the exchange of prisoners in the context of the grain agreement, that is what president rogatar dogan is proposing to include russian representatives in the investigative commission, that is, not just for it to be allowed so that there were also representatives of russian investigators, that's what i'm talking about , how realistically it can interfere, so it seems that we have already answered and podolyak was answering in my opinion, we talked to him and we. we are not interested in such a car scheme in our country . we cannot allow the russians to conduct investigative actions against themselves. contacts with russia also has its own certain gains, because russia has invested

17 billion dollars in the nuclear energy of turkey there, now the largest number of nuclear power plants will probably be on the continent, where they build at their own expense as an investment in turkey, so the influence russian there is the most in istanbul, this is the city where russia has one of the largest presence, now it is the union of the arab emirates, the second place is istanbul, you work there, you do all the business with all the series, turkey does not enter and so on. and the judges must be top professionals and there they will sort out who and how the studio, mr. oleksandr , we are talking about how he reacted . for you personally, there are examples of how it was necessary and how other

international organizations and countries eventually reacted as they should have briefly, we literally have a minute. we put people in people's organizations, otherwise their effectiveness is reduced, we remind you once again why they go to belgorod oblast, there are none here, the situation in a thousand times worse than there how can these actions be qualified, who made the decision that they went to pidhorodnyi and did not come here who he personally made such a decision and speaks and speaks in rather raised tones, he speaks them not only in kyiv, but we have to speak in new york to them in geneva and puts only and promptly our ambassadors present there have not your studio er-er heard you

we hope that a -and they will hear you for sure and i hope in those cities and those countries that you named a-and in the same un and in the same red cross oleksandr levchenko, diplomat , extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the republic of croatia in 2010-17 was from by us thank you for your expertise and moving on next, let's talk about support, but already in the defense sector . for example, volodymyr zelenskyi thanked the president and poland for it. volodymyr zelenskyi discussed further priority needs for the front and expectations from the nato summit in vilnius. he should fix the algorithm for ukraine's accession to the alliance. this is exactly what will happen at the summit. deputy minister of defense of ukraine volodymyr gavrylov believes that nato will not make a decision regarding ukraine despite a consensus decision-making mechanism and

ukraine's right to veto the members of the alliance. ukraine aspires to become a member of the north atlantic alliance shortly after the military victory over russia, it wants to receive guarantees of this at the nato summit in vilnius , which will be held on july 11-12 . andrii vygrivskyi, a lawyer, an analyst , joins our broadcast. among the statements of the european leaders of our partners, such as the united kingdom of france, their statements indicate that there is no unity in the opinions of the members of the alliance about the accession of ukraine. however, they talk about possible security guarantees that can be provided to our country on our way to membership. what do you think is the extent of such an option? what guarantees can be suitable for ukraine and whether they will become the same substitute or not when they are agreed upon , our allies will not plan what and this and it will be what they say is all that they can provide to ukraine in terms of security, because ukraine

insists on membership in the alliance, a member of the alliance, there is no alternative for ukraine to become a member of the alliance, well, there is a stadium, they are preparing everyone , which is determined at the level of the installation, is it good or not bad this is no longer a matter of today's agenda and a matter of internal discussion when we talk to you about a substitute. we must realize the purpose of a different form of cooperation than the one that will be offered by the number. guarantee, these forms are financial, they are military, and they are fixed or will be fixed, fixed at the level of bilateral payments, well, bilateral cuts - this is the conclusion of a contract between countries, what are the conditions come forward to play for us, as of today, it is obvious to everyone that the issue is not only in the political water, because they often hunt for

the fact that there is a certain political will like some kind of orion that prevents us from integrating, it is political will has a specific the form of its expression was systematically pronounced by the representatives of the united states and the countries of the european union that, well, it is no secret that nato countries are wrong and do not want to allow the implementation of the north atlantic alliance and this is the basic principle of the russian federation, which, unfortunately, is an obstacle for us to enter the north atlantic series , because we are once again in the confrontation that the russian federation started. the threat exists in time and space and we cannot talk to you about them, it will disappear, there are extremely urban chances

well, it is possible that ukraine's participation is an objective reality, from which, unfortunately, he is nowhere let's go geography don't cancel and actually, considering the words of mark khmil and the subscribers of last week, he predicts the future and talks about actions in which there are three superpowers and one of them is russia, and it is probably at the strategic level, the united states text switches that russia will cease to exist it is obvious to us that the countries of the northern alliance will not send their military personnel to ukraine to participate in the war on the side of ukraine. well, simply because of the basic principle, which i want to mean something what can they help with exactly what they are helping now by improving the condition and quality of our weapons and various types of troops, well, at a different technological level and in the amount that is sufficient for any aggressor , whether today it is the russian federation or it will be in a few years belarus or possibly