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about all 22 defendants, yes, but at least that her cooks are also included in the category of those who cooked , i don't know, some kind of seizure of power somewhere, and on in our territories, but this is a separate aspect of that court , yes, you correctly said the judge, 22 people, two in absentia, among them eight women from the azov regiment, they are really cooks , uh, they incriminate some terrorist acts, uh, they give a minimum of 15 years in prison, of course we can't let this all go, this all has no legal grounds whatsoever, ah, russia is deceiving again, terrorizing again, you see, now they show people in what condition they are, even the color of their skin is still very frightening, it is not clear at all what kind of torture, how white, what a horror they are there

are experiencing and this is actually causing us great concern, this is the whole situation ms. marianne, people are accused of allegedly carrying out terrorist activities and attempts to overthrow the so-called russian government in donetsk region, this is of course the positioning of russia, we understand what is really going on here about the protection of one's land, the protection of one's territory, one's city, that is , about what is directly prescribed in the duties of every citizen of the country to protect one's land, as the organized protection of these people is now in rostov, where it is actually going on this is a court, do they even have the opportunity to say anything in their defense, you know, this is a very difficult question, in fact, we do not know if they have any protection there, neither their families, nor the leadership of the unit, were not warned about this court, that is, it is somehow happening behind closed doors, this is the first court

which they decided to photograph in some way to show before that there were several such cases, they were closed in general, that is , it was not even clear that everyone is being tried at the same time, they are criminalizing for what term of imprisonment and so on, that is, it is not necessary to say something about some uh, about some defense, about some lawyers at all, uh, we saw that even the head of the presidential administration, the adviser , mykhailo podalyak, wrote a question about whether there are even any representatives of international organizations in this ship it is not visible that 99% of them are not there for us, and this is also a violation because these people are prisoners of war, not only that, but you said correctly that every citizen does not have the right to protect the state. and what can we say about people who were in military service? well, it is in general, it is their duty, that's why it's a very scary and unpleasant situation. in fact, everything is with this world . i actually wanted to ask whether international organizations are present, you already

told about it yourself. but is there a reaction or do you have contact with international organizations who can have at least a minimal influence , at least somehow they can help to contact with protect, intervene in the situation, look like this , our association will be the defenders of the assistants , constantly trying to somehow influence them, find this connection, we have already repeatedly they went to geneva, tried repeatedly, our girls were in the usa, they also tried to somehow contact those international organizations to get some help from them, but they still answer that what we are working on is to at least get to these defenders, that is, at the moment, none is known in the event that at least one representative of the un or the international cross got to the places of detention of these prisoners of war and in some way provided them with at least some help , that is, this has not happened for more than a year is also happening, russia does not allow international

organizations to carry out their work on its territory , uh, that's all, too, in fact, it's very, very sad, everything ms. maryana , how actively do international organizations behave, or do they have access, in particular , to the provision of rights and the provision of rights in those of the prisoners of war themselves, that is, they can write formally, or are they really sounding the alarm, trying to attract as many different levels of the public as possible in the international arena, you know uh, too it is difficult to answer, of course they tell us one thing, in fact, how much they are bothering russia there and how much they are trying to fulfill what they promise us , it is difficult to say yes, of course there are promises, but we see that they do not lead to anything we understand that of course everything is russia's fault, but of course i would like international organizations to behave more actively well, after all

, they have the right to this, they have statutes, they have certain obligations, again, to the defenders of azov, which came under their guarantees, but none of these guarantees were implemented in any way, we know that there was a terrorist attack in deer this new year in july, and no one followed up on anya on the condition of receiving these prisoners of war, no one was able to guarantee their safety and protect them from this terrible terrorist attack again, there was no investigation, we still do not know the exact number of the dead, not all families have received the bodies yet, and to say about any such movements are effective from international organizations, well, we do not have any grounds for this. information about the extradited fighters from azovstal who are currently in turkey, we understand that the turkish authorities comply with all necessary conventions, but there may be some news about them, in particular, we are talking about

their possible return to ukraine and, in general, about those 22 people whom the russians are currently trying to condemn why do you think they were not extradited to turkey as far as we know that these are commanders to turkey it was a demand of russia and it was they who determined who should go to turkey and stay there under these conditions, if there were no closed news from them, the only news that appeared two weeks ago was that ruslan the singer was standing there, the speaker of the verkhovna rada was visiting the commanders, and actually it was the first summer photo there in six months appeared in public and at least we were able to see them now, as far as is known from the families there from kateryna prokopenko , in particular, the commanders refused to meet with the families as a sign of solidarity with the tired defenders who are still in the colony, i.e.

now they don't see their families visiting them there, of course, from the ministry of foreign affairs. the main directorate of intelligence deals with all this, that is, it is also a closed issue . they know everything about it, how they are there, and so on, unfortunately for us there is also a lot of information about the commanders. one short question, please, mrs. maryana. are you, er, relatives of the defenders of the captured er, defenders, and growing up, do you have contact with them, what do you communicate with, er, yes, they have contact with the commanders, their closest relatives are their parents and they have wives a certain contact, of course, it is not permanent. i mean these defenders , who are currently being prosecuted in russia , i am talking about these people now, there is no connection, they did not even know about this court, that is, they just saw photos on the internet, they have no connection they can and there are no settings , no phone calls, nothing, i understand

, unfortunately, thank you, maryana hamarike, co-founder of the association of families of defenders of azovstali, about the terrible and shameful trial that is being conducted against defenders of azovstali in russia they have neither proper protection there, nor the opportunity to contact their family and in the end , in ukraine, we do not know how they are treated , how they are treated, and how they can be helped now. six months of occupation and already for the 10th month it is under constant shelling from the russians, despite the danger , 11,000 people remain there , the espresso film crew visited the city and will tell how civilians survive under rochelle rockets kupyansk was liberated in september of last year, but as of today it is very hot here, because the city is nine kilometers from

the front line, 9 km from hell, before the invasion kupyansk was home to 27 and a half thousand people, it was a flourishing city, and here's how it looks ruined and deserted now, this is anatoliy, his high-rise building is in the epicenter under shelling well, yes , they are leading to the white trees there and now in front of this house, the house was blown up, well , this is yours, and he, look where there are white roofs, he has a white roof, he is near so-and-so, it is all covered well the arrival will be in anatolia's entrance, there are only two families left, all the others left here 11 years ago, 11 it's not here, a little bit in one

day at 11 - it's still here come on for this day there are three there, i read thirty pieces to 30 residential hospitals houses, pharmacies and shops, these are the targets of the russian occupiers, and he thought that he was sitting nearby, and 5 meters around the corner, the membrane flew into him, and he didn't hear anything. he went , the doctor says it's not being repaired. the situation is even worse in the kupyan district, some settlements or what is left of them is in the gray zone , the most suffering to date is the inhabited area. it has been two years since it was almost wiped off the face of the earth, there is constant shelling there, they shoot everything possible , starting with tank mortars, ending with arsen, and so on, the authorities here carried out the forced evacuation of 79 children who were in

these settlements, they left, they are currently not in kupyansk, there are children in the kupyansk community, there are children. now we are discussing the issue of evacuation, despite the constant shelling in kupyansk livelihoods are supported, shops are working, public transport, people have light, gas and water, you can fix fish, take a picture, this is better, many residents of kupyansk do not disturb their homes, i hope that the counteroffensive will push the russians away, the people have withstood six months of occupation , they are ready to withstand shelling, artem agutenko , oleksiy kutsuk, tv channel espresso, cinema balm 15% in pharmacies. traveller, you and savings, jokes with

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it comes out, for example, the minister of defense of the united states of america, statements were made by the relevant officials of other partner countries of ukraine . of defense about the training of ukrainian pilots for western machines, we are destroying aviation at the same time behind closed doors . exactly what is happening , let's say so , will be of much greater importance. the topics that did come up. the first month is the strengthening of the air defense of ukraine as a foreign component of the military evidence of the constant air alert, including

during the visits of foreign guests. to the world that in ukraine it is necessary to strengthen the post-war period to help as much as possible in this direction, including the transfer to zimnaya and missile complexes, and in the end , it is still about the training of ukrainian pilots and the main question - this is, of course, the time when ukraine will be well ukrainians will see western aircraft with ukrainian emblems in the sky, but the question is directly related to the years, for example, the representatives of the ministry of defense because they informed the states of america that it is still too early to say what it will be in the short-term perspective, training will be conducted, which will consist of basic training and even language training, because neva needs to master the volume of railway information, and of course, it was in english. and it is also time, but we hope that there is really more to it . in 2015, the western ones were still transferred to ukraine, they rather the fourth b plus

generation announced that they would provide ukraine with its own high-priority air defense, and germany would immediately provide another 64 guided missiles specifically for the patriots, that is, also for, in fact, air defense er, they have already spoken more than once recently, in fact, the more active ones have talked about the fact that it is not always advisable to destroy the same shahes , for example, with missiles, because the cost is not relevant, and cheap shahes with an expensive missile, eh, not quite. okay , they also often voice the question of whether or not they can end in fact, we have missiles for air defense, what are the other options to save a little on air defense, leave it for the purpose of neutralizing daggers, e.e. iskanders, in order to actually work where it is needed, instead of

scattering on some smaller matters which actually, there are options, er, hmm, help our papolom. the fact is that the martyrs have really been trying for quite a long time not to beat anti-aircraft missiles with complexes, in principle, that is , with anti-aircraft missiles, we see when it comes to petriv missiles, just to understand the cost of shacherez - this is according to different estimates there are 20-50 thousand dollars when we are talking about anti-missile patriot ms and then there are 4 million dollars when we are talking about a missile and they have 120 to the complex on samsung, it is 1 million dollars and it is more expensive for the us army on the spur of the moment, that is, yes there is simply a gap in the ranks regarding the cost of the targets, and therefore the main task now is to destroy the shaheds in the most economically expedient way possible because, well, rockets. well, really, spending on them is not just ineffective because of the fact that if ukraine shoots down noble mca missiles that are designed to intercept ballistic

targets, then the same ballistic missiles such as miskander or quasi ballistic daggers there and other threats, that is, each means is responsible for its own threat, including for destruction shahedov has already been mass-produced for a long time, primarily anti-aircraft guns, that is, anti -aircraft artillery guns, it can be the well-known soviet zu-23-2, and when customs installations , in particular, the czech republic supplies such pickups to ukraine with anti-aircraft systems, that is, there are large-caliber methods but they work perfectly, and in the course of highways, it is an extremely economical means, but one piece per aspect is the use, for example, of self-propelled systems of anti-aircraft cheetahs, there should really be more of them because they objectively found their place in formation and precisely the elimination of such a threat as shakads, they are objectively, well, an extremely pragmatic and maximally effective means , because the consumption of their 35-mm shells

is measured in 1-2 queues, there, on average, ammunition is spent on the destruction of a long shached, that is, maximum accuracy, maximum efficiency is understanding that ukraine needs modern systems to combat this threat, for example, rain metal, a german company, supplies ukraine with skynks, e-e, also with a 35 mm artillery system, but there is a special ammunition with a programmed detonation that detonates in the air in front of the salt, where it is used, in fact, an extremely high-precision system, that is, a laser measures the range to the target, ballistic computers measure all the necessary firing decisions, and during the departure of the projectile, its speed is measured and, er, it is programmed at the exit from the barrel to a specific the time of the detonation by the column is down to some microseconds and thanks to this it is detonated directly next to the target, we already had fragments of 35-millimeter ammunition harvested, for example

shekhet and this allows us to simply talk about the fact that there is a need for several shots in general at such ammunition, that is, such systems are supplied to ukraine, they are really needed more at different levels and in that and starting again from the same pickups with large-caliber machine guns and such already the most modern and promising systems in general, such as spryzex, they are editors. well , we can’t help but ask you about how the equipment provided by our western partners has proven itself on the battlefield. we understand that the russian the propagandists spread the word about how they destroyed the number of leopards, which is greater than the total number of leopards that exists on the continent. that is, we do not pay attention to what the enemy said or showed, even so we understand that there can be numerous manipulations, but in any case, i think that the military expert environment analyzed yes, of course, we are talking about the opening of the source, how this or that technique showed itself on the battlefield, and if we talk about

the specifics, it is so that you would like to be able to point out objectively here it is better than no one will tell the devils themselves, but it is simply necessary to note the following things, and first of all, active offensive combat operations are taking place, that is, this is a rather complex scenario of the use of military equipment in itself, and i even met there, well, such conversations, they say that already in the storm in the desert there was a mysterious picture, well the operation of the allied forces against cancer is well-known, but the fact is that the operation in desert storm is 30 8 days of air operations and 4 days of wandering around the desert, that is, it is a completely different situation, which is now objectively if western equipment has never fought in such conditions, absolutely never in its entire life, it has never fought like it does now in ukraine, and what's more, we are talking about a prepared defense of the enemy with the active use of

minefields with dug-up minefields, just like you, fortified which i'm sorry, but the satellite can even be seen with the opposite conditions, exchange fields, fenced off trenches, concrete shelters, that is, such things are about, and in these conditions, nevertheless, usually in general professionalism and, of course, ukrainian fighters ukraine is making progress and today, well, in zaporizhzhia. by the way, rammstein was just giving a briefing to the minister of defense with a figure in america , but he and the chief of the joint staff of the united states of america were very upset, and she directly said that, well, how did anyone expect it, that it would be easy a walk, no, the allies did not count on the fact that it would be an easy walk in principle and they understand very well that everything and other things are fortified and that there are several huge numbers of simply occupiers sitting there and so it will be

planned work and it will be difficult for this absolutely the only option, mr. lejan, we know that they often talk about the love of f16 pilots, in fact, that it takes many months , meanwhile, the training of our tankers on abrams continues, and according to the forecasts of experts, pantogon actually says that by the end of the summer, they should have learned and could would manage er, please explain what is the difficulty of managing these tanks, how are they different from what we currently have in ukraine, and actually , why does it take so long? to be fair, it is objectively more difficult to maintain because if two diesel engines are used in the zoopard , well, turbodiesel . that is, of course. is a t-80° installation , at the same time, we are talking about another

american-made engine, and it is objectively quite difficult, and these are stories from us that there abram is difficult to maintain they are not made up, this is a real situation, and the second aspect is that now, apparently, in ukraine there is an opportunity , let’s say, to spend more time in order to coordinate the units of abrams tanks , that is, it is actually about food, an interesting aspect it is supposedly transmitted there, if i am not mistaken, 31 abrams at the same time is training several times more personnel than is needed for the maintenance of the operation of these machines, therefore twice as much if i am not mistaken. more in fact, it is mastering it from the point of view of the technique itself, that is, its use in the battlefield, well, you may be wrong. but it seems to me that it is better that ukrainian fighters

will prepare more. accordingly, we are instructors on the territory of nato countries, that is , these five are the kingdom of those who use the technique for many, many years they have completely dominated it and after that they will use it on the battlefield, but it increases the effectiveness despite even what we managed to do, let us quickly from the technique there , we have mastered it there, we know how to start it, we know how to shoot but there are, of course, many more aspects, including during offensive operations, when it is necessary to interact not just compete with everyone else, but to interact together with infantry fighting vehicles, to interact with artillery , that is important, even the aspect that the tank in general in nato countries was created with another concept, that is, if the abrams leopard 2 will actually be taken, and they were created as a mobile anti-tank vehicle , and it must also

be adapted to this concept during current operations the concept is clear. thank you, mr. olezh, for the information, for the fact that oleg kharkov, the editor-in-chief of defense express, was with us and talked about the weapons that we expect because we have already received them from our partners, and then iryna koval will tell you about what has happened in ukraine and the world recently stay with the press and word of mouth thank you oksana well, literally in a moment i will tell you about the consequences of today's attack on the kyiv region. it's the sixteenth hour in ukraine news time on the espresso tv channel in the studio iryna koval welcomes all viewers volodymyr zelenskyi said that russia wants to blow up the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant he made this statement in an interview with the american tv channel nbc news

in his opinion, the aggressor is interested in